Re: Geso, jays in flight

2015-08-12 Thread Knarf
False dichotomy.

For $6000 you've got the 560mm:

http://m.henrys.com/74968-PENTAX-DA-560MM-F5-6-ED-AW-LENS.aspx

For $14,000 you've got the Marinoni Genius with Campy Super Record EPS and Bora 
wheelset.

http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/html/Genius.html

That's like 1/2 the price of one truck.

Think outside the box...

Cheers,

frank

On 12 August, 2015 9:02:54 PM EDT, David J Brooks  wrote:

>Truck, lens, truck lens Oy
>>
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Re: Why people didn't smile in old photographs

2015-08-12 Thread P.J. Alling

On 8/12/2015 11:21 PM, Bill wrote:

On 12/08/2015 8:53 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

On 8/12/2015 10:30 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

On 8/12/2015 3:37 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

I knew this already, and I'll bet a lot of people on this list did
too. However when one has to fill inches, (in the old days of
newspapers, column inches), of space to keep one's blog or web site
fresh, one must write things like this, which are almost common
knowledge, up as if it was a new discovery.


You must be a lot of fun at parties.


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Depends on how much alcohol is available.


And if you start throwing your canes at people.



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Re: Why people didn't smile in old photographs

2015-08-12 Thread Bill

On 12/08/2015 8:53 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

On 8/12/2015 10:30 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

On 8/12/2015 3:37 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

I knew this already, and I'll bet a lot of people on this list did
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knowledge, up as if it was a new discovery.


You must be a lot of fun at parties.


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Depends on how much alcohol is available.


And if you start throwing your canes at people.


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Re: Why people didn't smile in old photographs

2015-08-12 Thread P.J. Alling

On 8/12/2015 10:30 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

On 8/12/2015 3:37 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
I knew this already, and I'll bet a lot of people on this list did 
too. However when one has to fill inches, (in the old days of 
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fresh, one must write things like this, which are almost common 
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You must be a lot of fun at parties.


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Re: PESO - Portrait of a Tabby as a Young Cat

2015-08-12 Thread Knarf
I love their wild look as well, Mark. Tabbies I've known are a bit 
rambunctious, and Zoë sometimes seems not to far removed from the forest. 

Thanks for the kind words.

Cheers,

frank

On 12 August, 2015 3:19:11 PM EDT, Mark C  wrote:
>Nice portrait! I love the wild look of tabby's.
>
>Mark
>
>On 8/11/2015 9:59 PM, frank theriault wrote:
>> Okay, she's not that young, maybe 4 (she's a rescue so who really
>> knows?). But Zoe acts young:
>>
>>
>http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/08/portrait-of-tabby-as-young-cat.html
>>
>> I showed our Korat, Cinza the other day and Zoe wanted equal time.
>>
>> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome (but not expected LOL).
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>
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Re: PESO - Portrait of a Tabby as a Young Cat

2015-08-12 Thread Knarf
She's been with us for 3 years and she was an adult pregnant with 4 kittens 
(all lost, sadly) when our friend found her abandonned and locked in a cat 
carrier in an alley, one cold, rainy night. 

The Vet who removed the already-dead kittens was pretty sure it wasn't her 
first pregancy.

So she's no less than three.

And whatever age, she's a wonderful addition to our household (our elder kitty, 
Cinza, may not agree).

Thanks for the comment! 

Cheers,

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On 12 August, 2015 12:30:28 AM EDT, Alan C  wrote:
>Cute. Looks less than 4 to me. A Vet should be able to give a close
>estimate 
>from the teeth.
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>Alan C
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>From: frank theriault
>Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 3:59 AM
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>Subject: PESO - Portrait of a Tabby as a Young Cat
>
>Okay, she's not that young, maybe 4 (she's a rescue so who really
>knows?). But Zoe acts young:
>
>http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/08/portrait-of-tabby-as-young-cat.html
>
>I showed our Korat, Cinza the other day and Zoe wanted equal time.
>
>Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome (but not expected LOL).
>
>cheers,
>
>frank

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-12 Thread Igor PDML-StR



 steve harley Wed, 12 Aug 2015 13:42:07 -0700 wrote:


On 2015-08-11 19:16 , Igor PDML-StR wrote:

  Godfrey DiGiorgi Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:03:07 -0700 wrote:

The Flickr app is free - I don't pay for it, it takes no input or
information from or about me that the website doesn't already have or
acquire from use.


That's true only if you keep your contacts book on your phone empty, or if
you list all your contacts on Flickr website, with all their phone numbers,
addresses, etc.



is that so on Android? it's not the case on iOS - i don't know that from
specific experience, i know because all third party apps require permission
to access contacts


Yes, Steve, I was talking about Android.
(Sorry, I had written that in my previous message in this thread but 
didn't explicitly repeated in the one you responded to). On Android Flickr 
app gets permission to read contacts. I am not priveleged to know what it 
then does with that information.


Note, that on Android you do not have a possibility to choose which 
individual permissions you grant or not to a certain app: you either 
accept the list of the permissions required by the app at the time of 
installation/update, or you do not install the app. From what I 
understand, this is quite different from what you can do on iOS (at least 
on iOS 6).


I hope this clarifies my previous response.

Igor


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Re: Why people didn't smile in old photographs

2015-08-12 Thread Mark Roberts

On 8/12/2015 3:37 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
I knew this already, and I'll bet a lot of people on this list did 
too. However when one has to fill inches, (in the old days of 
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You must be a lot of fun at parties.


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PESO - Sami Storyteller

2015-08-12 Thread frank theriault
One more of Sami singer Elle Marja Eira. I discovered that the Sami
are often referred to as Laplanders, however the Sami consider that to
be a derogatory moniker.

My problem with Elle Marja was getting one with her eyes open (she
mostly sings with closed eyes) and one without the mike covering her
mouth. Alas I was unable to achieve both in the same photo so I opted
for open eyes - and given their blueness, colour was called for:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/08/sami-storyteller.html

Hope you enjoy. Comments are encouraged.

cheers,

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Re: OT: If the Titanic Sunk Tiday

2015-08-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 12, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> Argue, schmargue! Where would we be sans snark, avec meaning, et sans amusing 
> wryth?

Well, we'd certainly be lost without knarf ...

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 12, 2015, at 1:41 PM, steve harley  wrote:

>> On 2015-08-11 19:16 , Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>>  Godfrey DiGiorgi Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:03:07 -0700 wrote:
>>> The Flickr app is free - I don't pay for it, it takes no input or
>>> information from or about me that the website doesn't already have or
>>> acquire from use.
>> 
>> That's true only if you keep your contacts book on your phone empty, or if
>> you list all your contacts on Flickr website, with all their phone numbers,
>> addresses, etc.
> 
> is that so on Android? it's not the case on iOS — i don't know that from 
> specific experience, i know because all third party apps require permission 
> to access contacts
> 
> in fact, just fired up the app on iOS and signed in for the first time; 
> shared a photo via email — app used iOS services and never asked for contacts 
> access

Exactly. iOS enforces much greater security than Android. 

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Re: Geso, jays in flight

2015-08-12 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 12/8/15, John, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Just in case there was something I was missing, I searched. The fastest
>>600 prime I found was F/4.
>
> I told him this was gonna be expensive

Truck, lens, truck lens Oy
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Re: Shooting shooting stars

2015-08-12 Thread Larry Colen



Jack Davis wrote:

Interesting double star on the right
prox one third of the way down from
the upper frame edge.
How long was the exposure?


The individual exposures were 14S with astrotracer.

http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157657118069972/

fluidr shows the exposure info





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Re: Shooting shooting stars

2015-08-12 Thread ann sanfedele
I've had stars and I"m and atheist and a Sagittarious... soo.. msut be 
something else


ann

On 8/12/2015 3:01 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

That's very impressive. We don't have stars in Britain. I think it's because 
we're all atheists or Sagittarius or something.



On Aug 12, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

Since it didn't terribly matter exactly where I was aiming my lens,  I used 
lightroom's panorama feature to string a bunch together including my one 
meteor, which gave me 16291x2704:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/20320189520/sizes/o

It seems as if my FA31 and FA77 focus at infinity all of the way at the stop.  
I tried focusing by aiming a green laser at the trees at the distance.

Does anyone know what nebula I captured?  It's about halfway between the trees 
and the right edge of the photo.

Larry Colen wrote:

It seems as if the Perseids will be in full swing this week. Does anyone
have any advice borne of experience for photographing them?

I suspect that a lot of short exposures will have the advantage of
running at a higher ISO and making it easier to capture a dimmer
transient event. Then there is the question of darkfield frames.

Astrotracer or not? Optimal focal length?

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Re: Shooting shooting stars

2015-08-12 Thread ann sanfedele

So cool!
ann

On 8/12/2015 6:53 AM, Knarf wrote:

Cool!

Cheers,

frank

On 12 August, 2015 3:29:01 AM EDT, Larry Colen  wrote:

I caught one meteor:
http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157657118069972/

Larry Colen wrote:

It seems as if the Perseids will be in full swing this week. Does

anyone

have any advice borne of experience for photographing them?

I suspect that a lot of short exposures will have the advantage of
running at a higher ISO and making it easier to capture a dimmer
transient event. Then there is the question of darkfield frames.

Astrotracer or not? Optimal focal length?




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Re: Geso, jays in flight

2015-08-12 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 12/8/15, John, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Just in case there was something I was missing, I searched. The fastest
>600 prime I found was F/4.

I told him this was gonna be expensive

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Re: Why people didn't smile in old photographs

2015-08-12 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 12 Aug 2015, at 21:42, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
>> On 12 August 2015 at 20:26, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>> On 12 Aug 2015, at 20:20, John  wrote:
>>> 
 On 8/12/2015 11:27 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/12/why-dont-people-smile-old-photographs-google-answer
>>> 
>>> I wonder how much of a role Victorian era dentistry played?
>> 
>> Victorian ear dentistry?
> 
> The (rarely practised, these days) science of Auradontics.

Can't be any worse than the proctodontics my dentist has been insisting I try. 
Why he wants me to examine his teeth is anybody's guess.

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Re: Why people didn't smile in old photographs

2015-08-12 Thread mike wilson
On 12 August 2015 at 20:26, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> On 12 Aug 2015, at 20:20, John  wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/12/2015 11:27 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/12/why-dont-people-smile-old-photographs-google-answer
>>>
>>
>> I wonder how much of a role Victorian era dentistry played?
>
> Victorian ear dentistry?

The (rarely practised, these days) science of Auradontics.

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-12 Thread steve harley

On 2015-08-11 19:16 , Igor PDML-StR wrote:

  Godfrey DiGiorgi Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:03:07 -0700 wrote:

The Flickr app is free - I don't pay for it, it takes no input or
information from or about me that the website doesn't already have or
acquire from use.


That's true only if you keep your contacts book on your phone empty, or if
you list all your contacts on Flickr website, with all their phone numbers,
addresses, etc.


is that so on Android? it's not the case on iOS — i don't know that from 
specific experience, i know because all third party apps require permission 
to access contacts


in fact, just fired up the app on iOS and signed in for the first time; 
shared a photo via email — app used iOS services and never asked for 
contacts access


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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-12 Thread steve harley

On 2015-08-11 15:19 , Bob W-PDML wrote:

It's part of a general trend towards the Compuserve/AOL model of trying to lock 
people into proprietary access to stuff so that the vendors can get their 
sweaty hands on your teats and milk you.


i understand the feeling, and i sympathize with Knarf's complaint, but it's 
worth pointing out that Flickr is not as hard a silo as many other services


Flickr has a pretty good API, plus the website is full service (afaik, you 
can get anything done without an app); if a mobile site is sucky, i 
generally try another browser or just don't use it much on mobile (long live 
the desktop!)




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Re: Why people didn't smile in old photographs

2015-08-12 Thread Bob W-PDML
At some time in your life you didn't know this, but many other people did. Then 
you learnt it, and it was a new discovery for you. 

Since then the world has circled the sun a few times. You and I have increased 
our store of wisdom as we have increased our store of wrinkles and incontinence 
pads. The old have shuffled into the shadows and new people have been born, and 
none of them, not a single one, knew this when they emerged slimy and helpless 
from their mother's womb. 

Since then the world has turned, they have grown, they are no longer 
incontinent, and they have become hungry for knowledge of the useless kind, and 
somebody is there to supply it. Is that such a bad thing?

B



> On 12 Aug 2015, at 20:38, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I knew this already, and I'll bet a lot of people on this list did too.  
> However when one has to fill inches, (in the old days of newspapers, column 
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> like this, which are almost common knowledge, up as if it was a new discovery.
> 
>> On 8/12/2015 11:27 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/12/why-dont-people-smile-old-photographs-google-answer
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Re: OT: If the Titanic Sunk Tiday

2015-08-12 Thread John

Probably shooting Canon or Nikon.


On 8/12/2015 3:25 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

Argue, schmargue! Where would we be sans snark, avec meaning, et sans
amusing wryth?






On 12 Aug 2015, at 15:43, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
wrote:

Bob W-PDML Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:41:05 -0700 wrote:


You're all arguing about the wrong thing. Question is, is the
boat the iTanic or the less well-known Samsunk?

B


Amusing as always!

However, I don't know that I was arguing about anything, Bob. Just
responding to the usual meaningless, snarky comment by Igor in what
I hoped was a wry and amusing way.

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Re: Geso, jays in flight

2015-08-12 Thread John

Just in case there was something I was missing, I searched. The fastest
600 prime I found was F/4.

Sigma makes a 200-500mm f/2.8 EX DG zoom lens, but it doesn't appear to
be available in Pentax mount.


On 8/12/2015 1:56 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

And money - you've got to buy a 600mm f/2.8 lens (or at a pinch we'll
let you off the hook with an f/4 version)


FWIW - I'm not aware of any f2.8 600mm prime lens, by any manufacturer.
My 600mm f4.0 already weighs too much - would need a small truck to cart
around something like that.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "Steve Cottrell" 
Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight



On 12/8/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:


Yes i am.:-)
At 2.8 or even 3.2 i'll have to play around with a pre focus point, as
they come in from a bit of an angle to my right, thus the higher ap
values like 5.6 and 6.3 to give my more in focus area but a poor back
drop. Practice, we talking about practice here.
Dave


And money - you've got to buy a 600mm f/2.8 lens (or at a pinch we'll
let you off the hook with an f/4 version)

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Re: Why people didn't smile in old photographs

2015-08-12 Thread P.J. Alling
I knew this already, and I'll bet a lot of people on this list did too.  
However when one has to fill inches, (in the old days of newspapers, 
column inches), of space to keep one's blog or web site fresh, one must 
write things like this, which are almost common knowledge, up as if it 
was a new discovery.


On 8/12/2015 11:27 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/12/why-dont-people-smile-old-photographs-google-answer 




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Re: Why people didn't smile in old photographs

2015-08-12 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 12 Aug 2015, at 20:20, John  wrote:
> 
>> On 8/12/2015 11:27 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/12/why-dont-people-smile-old-photographs-google-answer
>> 
> 
> I wonder how much of a role Victorian era dentistry played?

Victorian ear dentistry?

B
> 
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Re: OT: If the Titanic Sunk Tiday

2015-08-12 Thread Bob W-PDML
Argue, schmargue! Where would we be sans snark, avec meaning, et sans amusing 
wryth?





> On 12 Aug 2015, at 15:43, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
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> Bob W-PDML Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:41:05 -0700 wrote:
>> 
>> You're all arguing about the wrong thing. Question is, is the boat the 
>> iTanic or the less well-known Samsunk?
>> 
>> B
> 
> Amusing as always! 
> 
> However, I don't know that I was arguing about anything, Bob. Just responding 
> to the usual meaningless, snarky comment by Igor in what I hoped was a wry 
> and amusing way. 
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Re: PESO - Portrait of a Tabby as a Young Cat

2015-08-12 Thread Mark C

Nice portrait! I love the wild look of tabby's.

Mark

On 8/11/2015 9:59 PM, frank theriault wrote:

Okay, she's not that young, maybe 4 (she's a rescue so who really
knows?). But Zoe acts young:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/08/portrait-of-tabby-as-young-cat.html

I showed our Korat, Cinza the other day and Zoe wanted equal time.

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome (but not expected LOL).

cheers,

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Re: Why people didn't smile in old photographs

2015-08-12 Thread John

On 8/12/2015 11:27 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/12/why-dont-people-smile-old-photographs-google-answer



I wonder how much of a role Victorian era dentistry played?

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Re: American Landscapes 2015

2015-08-12 Thread Mark C

Thanks, Ann!

On 8/11/2015 8:57 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Ditto!
ann

On 8/11/2015 6:51 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:

Lovely! Congratulations.

- Marco

On Aug 11, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Mark C  wrote:

Just to share - I have a piece in this years "American Landscapes" 
exhibit sponsored by the Maryland Federation of Art. It's a national 
juried exhibit put on annually at the Circle Gallery in Annapolis. I 
don't enter many shows these days but this is one that I keep coming 
back to.


The accepted photo is a digital infrared image taken out in Maryland 
last fall - Crooked Tree at Ferry Point:


http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/maryland-federation-of-arts-2015 



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Re: American Landscapes 2015

2015-08-12 Thread Mark C
Thanks, Rick! And also Paul, Jack, Frank, Marco and everyone else who 
had a look.


Mark

On 8/11/2015 10:26 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Excellent, Mark! I really like the framing and the use of IR. Congratulations!

Rick
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On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:57 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Ditto!
ann


On 8/11/2015 6:51 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:

Lovely! Congratulations.

- Marco

On Aug 11, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Mark C  wrote:


Just to share - I have a piece in this years "American Landscapes"
exhibit sponsored by the Maryland Federation of Art. It's a national juried
exhibit put on annually at the Circle Gallery in Annapolis. I don't enter
many shows these days but this is one that I keep coming back to.

The accepted photo is a digital infrared image taken out in Maryland last
fall - Crooked Tree at Ferry Point:


http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/maryland-federation-of-arts-2015

Mark



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Re: OT: Some interesting older photographs

2015-08-12 Thread Bob W-PDML
That one of Nancy Reagan and Mr. T has put my therapy back at least six years. 
And the one of Ronald in his sweatpants must have added at least another year.

B



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> Good selection. Thanks Dan. The guy testing the football helmet cracks me up.
> Chris
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Re: Shooting shooting stars

2015-08-12 Thread Darren Addy
Yes, that is M31, the Andromeda galaxy. Also, you've captured the
Double Cluster in Perseus, which is just over trees.

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> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/20320189520/sizes/o
>
> It seems as if my FA31 and FA77 focus at infinity all of the way at the
> stop.  I tried focusing by aiming a green laser at the trees at the
> distance.
>
> Does anyone know what nebula I captured?  It's about halfway between the
> trees and the right edge of the photo.
>
>
> Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>> It seems as if the Perseids will be in full swing this week. Does anyone
>> have any advice borne of experience for photographing them?
>>
>> I suspect that a lot of short exposures will have the advantage of
>> running at a higher ISO and making it easier to capture a dimmer
>> transient event. Then there is the question of darkfield frames.
>>
>> Astrotracer or not? Optimal focal length?
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Re: Shooting shooting stars

2015-08-12 Thread Bob W-PDML

That's very impressive. We don't have stars in Britain. I think it's because 
we're all atheists or Sagittarius or something.


> 
>> On Aug 12, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
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>> Since it didn't terribly matter exactly where I was aiming my lens,  I used 
>> lightroom's panorama feature to string a bunch together including my one 
>> meteor, which gave me 16291x2704:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/20320189520/sizes/o
>> 
>> It seems as if my FA31 and FA77 focus at infinity all of the way at the 
>> stop.  I tried focusing by aiming a green laser at the trees at the distance.
>> 
>> Does anyone know what nebula I captured?  It's about halfway between the 
>> trees and the right edge of the photo.
>> 
>> Larry Colen wrote:
>>> It seems as if the Perseids will be in full swing this week. Does anyone
>>> have any advice borne of experience for photographing them?
>>> 
>>> I suspect that a lot of short exposures will have the advantage of
>>> running at a higher ISO and making it easier to capture a dimmer
>>> transient event. Then there is the question of darkfield frames.
>>> 
>>> Astrotracer or not? Optimal focal length?
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Re: PESO - Mosquito Landing (Caffenol)

2015-08-12 Thread Mark C
Oh yeah - Caffenol. I played with it a little a few years ago and it 
seemed like an interesting developer.  I blogged on my initial 
experiment in 2011 here:


http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/caffenol

My main concern was consistency - not having a precise scale I wondered 
how consistent caffenol could be from batch to batch. These days I use  
just Rodinal or HC110.



On 8/10/2015 10:45 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Lovely, lovely image. I love square compositions, but I'm curious -
since it was taken with a 67... was it originally a horizontal
composition or a vertical?

Also curious as to whether you have ever played with Caffeinol
developer. (I haven't, but I'm keen to try it.)

On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Mark C  wrote:

So named because this is where I landed after being swarmed by thousands of
mosquitoes:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/mousquito-landing

Pentax 6x7, SMC 67 55mm f4, Agfa APX 100 (long expired) and Rodinal 1:25.
Comments welcome!

Mark

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Re: American Landscapes 2015

2015-08-12 Thread Mark C

Thanks, Alan. The whole exhibit is featured here:

http://mdfedart.com/mfaentry/sales/salesgallery.php?exhibit=48

Mark

On 8/12/2015 12:32 AM, Alan C wrote:

Well done, Mark. Is the the whole exhibit posted somewhere?

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Mark C
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Subject: American Landscapes 2015

Just to share - I have a piece in this years "American Landscapes"
exhibit sponsored by the Maryland Federation of Art. It's a national
juried exhibit put on annually at the Circle Gallery in Annapolis. I
don't enter many shows these days but this is one that I keep coming
back to.

The accepted photo is a digital infrared image taken out in Maryland
last fall - Crooked Tree at Ferry Point:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/maryland-federation-of-arts-2015 



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Re: Geso, jays in flight

2015-08-12 Thread Ken Waller

And money - you've got to buy a 600mm f/2.8 lens (or at a pinch we'll
let you off the hook with an f/4 version)


FWIW - I'm not aware of any f2.8 600mm prime lens, by any manufacturer. My 
600mm f4.0 already weighs too much - would need a small truck to cart around 
something like that.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Cottrell" 

Subject: Re: Geso, jays in flight



On 12/8/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:


Yes i am.:-)
At 2.8 or even 3.2 i'll have to play around with a pre focus point, as
they come in from a bit of an angle to my right, thus the higher ap
values like 5.6 and 6.3 to give my more in focus area but a poor back
drop. Practice, we talking about practice here.
Dave


And money - you've got to buy a 600mm f/2.8 lens (or at a pinch we'll
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Re: Shooting shooting stars

2015-08-12 Thread Jack Davis
Interesting double star on the right
prox one third of the way down from
the upper frame edge.
How long was the exposure?

J

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> On Aug 12, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> Since it didn't terribly matter exactly where I was aiming my lens,  I used 
> lightroom's panorama feature to string a bunch together including my one 
> meteor, which gave me 16291x2704:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/20320189520/sizes/o
> 
> It seems as if my FA31 and FA77 focus at infinity all of the way at the stop. 
>  I tried focusing by aiming a green laser at the trees at the distance.
> 
> Does anyone know what nebula I captured?  It's about halfway between the 
> trees and the right edge of the photo.
> 
> Larry Colen wrote:
>> It seems as if the Perseids will be in full swing this week. Does anyone
>> have any advice borne of experience for photographing them?
>> 
>> I suspect that a lot of short exposures will have the advantage of
>> running at a higher ISO and making it easier to capture a dimmer
>> transient event. Then there is the question of darkfield frames.
>> 
>> Astrotracer or not? Optimal focal length?
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Re: Shooting shooting stars

2015-08-12 Thread Larry Colen
Since it didn't terribly matter exactly where I was aiming my lens,  I 
used lightroom's panorama feature to string a bunch together including 
my one meteor, which gave me 16291x2704:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/20320189520/sizes/o

It seems as if my FA31 and FA77 focus at infinity all of the way at the 
stop.  I tried focusing by aiming a green laser at the trees at the 
distance.


Does anyone know what nebula I captured?  It's about halfway between the 
trees and the right edge of the photo.


Larry Colen wrote:

It seems as if the Perseids will be in full swing this week. Does anyone
have any advice borne of experience for photographing them?

I suspect that a lot of short exposures will have the advantage of
running at a higher ISO and making it easier to capture a dimmer
transient event. Then there is the question of darkfield frames.

Astrotracer or not? Optimal focal length?



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Re: OT: Some interesting older photographs

2015-08-12 Thread Chris Mitchell
Good selection. Thanks Dan. The guy testing the football helmet cracks me up.
Chris

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Re: Shooting shooting stars

2015-08-12 Thread Larry Colen



Darren Addy wrote:

High ISO does not really help you that much... I wouldn't recommend
over 800 ISO. You can leave your shutter open as long as you like
(well, until you start recording the sky fog/background light). Then
you aren't gaining anything by exposing longer because as the stars
get more exposure, so does the background. Your histogram should be
JUST off the left side. In fact, the higher ISO actually hurts you
because you will pick up your skyfog sooner (with a shorter exposure)
and you want long exposures to capture meteors while your shutter is
open. (Murphy's Law of Meteor photography is that the best meteors
will happen while the shutter is closed.)


That is what happened to me last year.  An amazing meteor, where my 
camera was pointing, while it was doing a darkfield image.  However I 
will propose a couple of counterpoints. The first is that it doesn't 
matter how long the shutter is open, what matters is the duty cycle. You 
want the shutter open for the highest percentage of time.



As to ISO, I have found that the meteors are brief and dim, so exposing 
longer doesn't make them brighter, it just makes everything around them 
brighter.  You just want enough sensitivity that they show up well at 
the aperture that you can use.




You don't care if the stars are pinpoint or tracks because the meteors
will be long lines that are evident against them. If you ALSO want
pinpoint stars, then you need some sort of a tracker (most of them
require polar alignment).


I've been using my astrotracer.



The most important ingredients are a fast lens and WIDE angle sky
coverage. (A corollary to Murphy's Law of Meteor Photography is that,
if you shutter is open, the best meteors will happen outside your
field of view).

This is one reason that the lens I most want to add to my collection
is the Samyang/Rokinon 16mm f/2.


I want the sigma 18-35/1.8 because being autofocus it would work with my 
astrotracer.




On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 5:53 AM, Knarf  wrote:

Cool!

Cheers,

frank

On 12 August, 2015 3:29:01 AM EDT, Larry Colen  wrote:

I caught one meteor:
http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157657118069972/

Larry Colen wrote:

It seems as if the Perseids will be in full swing this week. Does

anyone

have any advice borne of experience for photographing them?

I suspect that a lot of short exposures will have the advantage of
running at a higher ISO and making it easier to capture a dimmer
transient event. Then there is the question of darkfield frames.

Astrotracer or not? Optimal focal length?


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Re: OT: If the Titanic Sunk Tiday

2015-08-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Right on the money, frank! :-)

Godfrey

> On Aug 12, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Knarf  wrote:
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> Actually the cartoon got it wrong. Everyone would be facing ~away~ from the 
> floundering vessel, taking selfies with the bobbing boat in the background.

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Re: Why people didn't smile in old photographs

2015-08-12 Thread Mark Roberts

They're actually talking about photos that aren't quite *that* old.

On 8/12/2015 11:51 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Because they had to stay perfectly still for quite a period of time,
and it is impossible to smile naturally for that length.

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On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Mark Roberts
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/12/why-dont-people-smile-old-photographs-google-answer


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Re: OT: If the Titanic Sunk Tiday

2015-08-12 Thread Knarf
Actually the cartoon got it wrong. Everyone would be facing ~away~ from the 
floundering vessel, taking selfies with the bobbing boat in the background.

Cheers,

frank

On 10 August, 2015 6:40:30 PM EDT, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>You're all arguing about the wrong thing. Question is, is the boat the
>iTanic or the less well-known Samsunk?
>
>B
>
>
>
>> On 10 Aug 2015, at 22:57, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
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>> 
>> HAR!
>> [The bait worked! :-) ]
>> 
>> Well, we know that Samsung stole Apple patents, or was it the other
>way around? It depends one which country you are in... In any case, all
>those phones all look the same...
>> 
>> 
>> On a serious note, - I would argue that the phone in the cartoon
>looks closer to Samsung than to iPhone.
>> See for yourself by comparing iPhones and Samsung Galaxy s5:
>>
>http://blogs-images.forbes.com/gordonkelly/files/2014/08/iphone-models.jpg
>> http://goo.gl/Iy8kcr
>> 
>> ... and I see Larry just made the same argument...
>> 
>> Igor
>> 
>> 
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:38:20 -0700 wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, couldn't you tell? Those *were* all Samsung phones.
>> Yeah, they look just like Apple iPhones ...
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8/10/2015 8:50 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>> 
>>>   http://themetapicture.com/if-the-titanic-sunk-today/
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  

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Re: Why people didn't smile in old photographs

2015-08-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Because they had to stay perfectly still for quite a period of time,
and it is impossible to smile naturally for that length.

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> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/12/why-dont-people-smile-old-photographs-google-answer
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Why people didn't smile in old photographs

2015-08-12 Thread Mark Roberts

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/12/why-dont-people-smile-old-photographs-google-answer


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Re: PESO: Flickr goes nuts over a pretty pedestrian shot

2015-08-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Jostling made me laugh. :-)
I've never figured out the magic combination that nets a Flickr Explore rating. 
Never bothered to try either, it's simply unimportant. 

Godfrey


> On Aug 12, 2015, at 8:07 AM, Jostein Øksne  wrote:
> 
> Darn, with that thread title I thought this was about a pretty girl on a 
> sidewalk.
> 
> Jostein 
> 
> Den 11. august 2015 15.43.02 CEST, skrev Darren Addy :
>> If one thing is certain it is that I don't understand how Flickr
>> chooses images for Explore. I think my "Alien Jellyfish Lift-Off" is
>> my best shot from my last chase and instead Flickr takes this
>> pedestrian image and puts it in Explore. They must be more
>> color/thumbnail oriented.
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/20454925482/

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Re: PESO: Flickr goes nuts over a pretty pedestrian shot

2015-08-12 Thread Jostein Øksne
Darn, with that thread title I thought this was about a pretty girl on a 
sidewalk.

Jostein 

Den 11. august 2015 15.43.02 CEST, skrev Darren Addy :
>If one thing is certain it is that I don't understand how Flickr
>chooses images for Explore. I think my "Alien Jellyfish Lift-Off" is
>my best shot from my last chase and instead Flickr takes this
>pedestrian image and puts it in Explore. They must be more
>color/thumbnail oriented.
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/20454925482/
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>Comments and criticism welcome in equal measure.

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Re: OT: If the Titanic Sunk Tiday

2015-08-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Bob W-PDML Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:41:05 -0700 wrote:
> 
> You're all arguing about the wrong thing. Question is, is the boat the iTanic 
> or the less well-known Samsunk?
> 
> B

Amusing as always! 

However, I don't know that I was arguing about anything, Bob. Just responding 
to the usual meaningless, snarky comment by Igor in what I hoped was a wry and 
amusing way. 

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Re: Geso, jays in flight

2015-08-12 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 12/8/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Yes i am.:-)
>>At 2.8 or even 3.2 i'll have to play around with a pre focus point, as
>>they come in from a bit of an angle to my right, thus the higher ap
>>values like 5.6 and 6.3 to give my more in focus area but a poor back
>>drop. Practice, we talking about practice here.
>>Dave
>
> And money - you've got to buy a 600mm f/2.8 lens (or at a pinch we'll
> let you off the hook with an f/4 version)


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Re: Geso, jays in flight

2015-08-12 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 12/8/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Yes i am.:-)
>At 2.8 or even 3.2 i'll have to play around with a pre focus point, as
>they come in from a bit of an angle to my right, thus the higher ap
>values like 5.6 and 6.3 to give my more in focus area but a poor back
>drop. Practice, we talking about practice here.
>Dave

And money - you've got to buy a 600mm f/2.8 lens (or at a pinch we'll
let you off the hook with an f/4 version)

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Re: PESO: Wienermobile

2015-08-12 Thread P.J. Alling

On 8/11/2015 4:15 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 11 Aug 2015, at 21:07, mike wilson  wrote:

On 11 August 2015 at 19:59, Bob W-PDML  wrote:

On 11 Aug 2015, at 17:43, Knarf  wrote:

No. In fact I had no idea that Frank N. Furter was a Rocky Horror thing. I mean 
I knew I'd pilfered it but I didn't know from where.  ;-)

I believe that I'm the only person I've ever met who's seen neither the movie 
nor the stage show.

I haven't seen either of them. I haven't seen Star Wars either, not all the way 
through.


While we're in confession mode: I've never seen a Bond film all the way through.

He wins, and gets the girl

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Not if he's played by George Lazenby.

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Re: Shooting shooting stars

2015-08-12 Thread Darren Addy
The 3rd Corollary of Murphy's Law for Meteor Photography states that,
"If you switch your camera postitoning to capture a more active
portion of the sky, the field of view you just left will become active
and your new field of view will become inactive."

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> High ISO does not really help you that much... I wouldn't recommend
> over 800 ISO. You can leave your shutter open as long as you like
> (well, until you start recording the sky fog/background light). Then
> you aren't gaining anything by exposing longer because as the stars
> get more exposure, so does the background. Your histogram should be
> JUST off the left side. In fact, the higher ISO actually hurts you
> because you will pick up your skyfog sooner (with a shorter exposure)
> and you want long exposures to capture meteors while your shutter is
> open. (Murphy's Law of Meteor photography is that the best meteors
> will happen while the shutter is closed.)
>
> You don't care if the stars are pinpoint or tracks because the meteors
> will be long lines that are evident against them. If you ALSO want
> pinpoint stars, then you need some sort of a tracker (most of them
> require polar alignment).
>
> The most important ingredients are a fast lens and WIDE angle sky
> coverage. (A corollary to Murphy's Law of Meteor Photography is that,
> if you shutter is open, the best meteors will happen outside your
> field of view).
>
> This is one reason that the lens I most want to add to my collection
> is the Samyang/Rokinon 16mm f/2.
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 5:53 AM, Knarf  wrote:
>> Cool!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>
>> On 12 August, 2015 3:29:01 AM EDT, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>>I caught one meteor:
>>>http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157657118069972/
>>>
>>>Larry Colen wrote:
 It seems as if the Perseids will be in full swing this week. Does
>>>anyone
 have any advice borne of experience for photographing them?

 I suspect that a lot of short exposures will have the advantage of
 running at a higher ISO and making it easier to capture a dimmer
 transient event. Then there is the question of darkfield frames.

 Astrotracer or not? Optimal focal length?

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Re: Geso, jays in flight

2015-08-12 Thread John

On 8/12/2015 8:27 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

On 11/8/15, Ken Waller, discombobulated, unleashed:


A 600mm should solve the lens issue !


Yup




f/2.8 should do it. At a pinch an f/4. You getting this Dave


Yes i am.:-)
At 2.8 or even 3.2 i'll have to play around with a pre focus point, as
they come in from a bit of an angle to my right, thus the higher ap
values like 5.6 and 6.3 to give my more in focus area but a poor back
drop. Practice, we talking about practice here.
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Or maybe plant some ivy along that wall & let nature soften the backdrop
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Re: Shooting shooting stars

2015-08-12 Thread Darren Addy
High ISO does not really help you that much... I wouldn't recommend
over 800 ISO. You can leave your shutter open as long as you like
(well, until you start recording the sky fog/background light). Then
you aren't gaining anything by exposing longer because as the stars
get more exposure, so does the background. Your histogram should be
JUST off the left side. In fact, the higher ISO actually hurts you
because you will pick up your skyfog sooner (with a shorter exposure)
and you want long exposures to capture meteors while your shutter is
open. (Murphy's Law of Meteor photography is that the best meteors
will happen while the shutter is closed.)

You don't care if the stars are pinpoint or tracks because the meteors
will be long lines that are evident against them. If you ALSO want
pinpoint stars, then you need some sort of a tracker (most of them
require polar alignment).

The most important ingredients are a fast lens and WIDE angle sky
coverage. (A corollary to Murphy's Law of Meteor Photography is that,
if you shutter is open, the best meteors will happen outside your
field of view).

This is one reason that the lens I most want to add to my collection
is the Samyang/Rokinon 16mm f/2.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 5:53 AM, Knarf  wrote:
> Cool!
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
>
> On 12 August, 2015 3:29:01 AM EDT, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>I caught one meteor:
>>http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157657118069972/
>>
>>Larry Colen wrote:
>>> It seems as if the Perseids will be in full swing this week. Does
>>anyone
>>> have any advice borne of experience for photographing them?
>>>
>>> I suspect that a lot of short exposures will have the advantage of
>>> running at a higher ISO and making it easier to capture a dimmer
>>> transient event. Then there is the question of darkfield frames.
>>>
>>> Astrotracer or not? Optimal focal length?
>>>
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OT: Some interesting older photographs

2015-08-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://www.earthlymission.com/rarely-seen-enchanted-moments-of-us-history-megapost/

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Re: PESO: Good for Driving in the Night

2015-08-12 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Joke.

Did you ever see Mel Brook's Young Frankenstein?

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> Ware wolf?  Do they live in warehouses?
>
> Cheers,
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>> On Aug 12, 2015, at 6:34 am, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>>> Ya' wanta' be a cool dude, ware shades at nigh
>>
>> Ware Shades?
>>
>> Ware Wolf?
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>> Their Wolf!
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Re: Geso, jays in flight

2015-08-12 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 11/8/15, Ken Waller, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>A 600mm should solve the lens issue !

Yup


>
> f/2.8 should do it. At a pinch an f/4. You getting this Dave

Yes i am.:-)
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drop. Practice, we talking about practice here.
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Re: Geso, jays in flight

2015-08-12 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 11/8/15, Ken Waller, discombobulated, unleashed:

>A 600mm should solve the lens issue !

f/2.8 should do it. At a pinch an f/4. You getting this Dave

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Re: Geso, jays in flight

2015-08-12 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 11/8/15, Ken Waller, discombobulated, unleashed:

>And WD = ?

War Department.

The Mrs !!

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Re: Shooting shooting stars

2015-08-12 Thread Knarf
Cool!

Cheers,

frank

On 12 August, 2015 3:29:01 AM EDT, Larry Colen  wrote:
>I caught one meteor:
>http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157657118069972/
>
>Larry Colen wrote:
>> It seems as if the Perseids will be in full swing this week. Does
>anyone
>> have any advice borne of experience for photographing them?
>>
>> I suspect that a lot of short exposures will have the advantage of
>> running at a higher ISO and making it easier to capture a dimmer
>> transient event. Then there is the question of darkfield frames.
>>
>> Astrotracer or not? Optimal focal length?
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Re: Shooting shooting stars

2015-08-12 Thread Larry Colen

I caught one meteor:
http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157657118069972/

Larry Colen wrote:

It seems as if the Perseids will be in full swing this week. Does anyone
have any advice borne of experience for photographing them?

I suspect that a lot of short exposures will have the advantage of
running at a higher ISO and making it easier to capture a dimmer
transient event. Then there is the question of darkfield frames.

Astrotracer or not? Optimal focal length?



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