Re: buffer size or write speed

[Larry Colen]

Bill wrote:



Maybe if you are spending a lot of time waiting for the buffer empty,
you should be complaining about how your lack of skill is requiring you
to treat your camera like a machine gun.


Yeah, I've gotten far enough along that I know when in the music, or the 
technique, something might happen, unfortunately, I haven't developed my 
precognition skills enough to know whether or not it will happen.







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PESO - Modern Essentials

[Marco Alpert]

http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso29.html

Comments, as always, welcomed.

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Re: PESO - 'Falls Bounty'

[Ken Waller]

As far as I can tell it wasn't a PUG entry and definitely not in any of the 
books.


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- Original Message - 
From: "ann sanfedele" 

Subject: Re: PESO - 'Falls Bounty'


was it a PUG entry once?  very nice and looked familiar .. maybe in one of 
the books?


a


On 10/30/2016 7:26 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Thanks for commenting ann.

I try not to post these here more than once, don't believe this is a 
repost but .


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- Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele" 
Subject: Re: PESO - 'Falls Bounty'



Seems to me I've liked this before :-)

ann


On 10/29/2016 7:58 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Thanks for commenting Malcolm.

The black background was the result of the exposure I used and the 
location of the leaves on the tree.


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- Original Message - From: "Malcolm Smith" 


Subject: RE: PESO - 'Falls Bounty'



Ken Waller wrote:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18303946

+

I love the frost edge, particularly against a deep black background.

Malcolm



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PESO: Just like home

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Somehow, I sent this out previously without a subject line.

I was 1,950 miles from home, visiting the ancient Taos Pueblo, one of the
oldest continuously inhabited communities in the US.  To my great surprise,
among the hand full of dogs hanging out there, I spotted an Alaskan
Malamute.  Of course, he struck a typical Malamute pose, one I get to see
every day at home:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305146=lg
Comments are invited.

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Re: PUG Themes for 2017

[John]

Might be possible to do something along the theme of "then & now".

On 10/30/2016 7:54 PM, Bill wrote:

On 10/30/2016 12:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Why don't we simply have a special Rogue's Gallery, with portraits or
self
portraits of all members of the PDML, so we can have some idea of what we
all look  like?


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



We only did that 16 years ago, back in August of 2000. Most everyone
submitted pictures taken when they were much younger.
I bet if we did it again, we would get a significant number of pictures
of babies in diapers on sheepskin rugs.



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Re: Dog in Taos Peso by Dan

[ann sanfedele]

I mentioned the dog in another post..   have given this a subjectline 
for you


just stopped by here between innings -

Go cubbies!

ann


On 10/30/2016 9:37 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I was 1,950 miles from home, visiting the ancient Taos Pueblo, one of the
oldest continuously inhabited communities in the US.  To my great surprise,
among the hand full of dogs hanging out there, I spotted an Alaskan
Malamute.  Of course, he struck a typical Malamute pose, one I get to see
every day at home:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305146=lg
Comments are invited.

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Re: PSO: Taos Pueblo

[ann sanfedele]

Dan -  post the other Taos pueblo shots   - #14 gives those who are not 
familiar with the site a better idea of it...


I'm especially wanting Alan COle to see that :-)

But I like this one... and I think the stairway being in our faces is 
part of the story... its certainly the best lit shots of all DAn took 
that I've seen


ann


On 10/30/2016 8:50 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

I think I would rather have more foreground. The stairway (a modern addition) 
is quite in-your-face in this composition, the adobe and colors get lost.
And I would crop the empty space on the right.

stan


On Oct 30, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

The Taos Pueblos is one of the oldest continuously inhabited communities in
the United States, and Thas been designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305147=md
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Re: PESO - 'Falls Bounty'

[ann sanfedele]

was it a PUG entry once?  very nice and looked familiar .. maybe in one 
of the books?


a


On 10/30/2016 7:26 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Thanks for commenting ann.

I try not to post these here more than once, don't believe this is a 
repost but .


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- Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele" 
Subject: Re: PESO - 'Falls Bounty'



Seems to me I've liked this before :-)

ann


On 10/29/2016 7:58 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Thanks for commenting Malcolm.

The black background was the result of the exposure I used and the 
location of the leaves on the tree.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "Malcolm Smith" 


Subject: RE: PESO - 'Falls Bounty'



Ken Waller wrote:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18303946

+

I love the frost edge, particularly against a deep black background.

Malcolm






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[Daniel J. Matyola]

I was 1,950 miles from home, visiting the ancient Taos Pueblo, one of the
oldest continuously inhabited communities in the US.  To my great surprise,
among the hand full of dogs hanging out there, I spotted an Alaskan
Malamute.  Of course, he struck a typical Malamute pose, one I get to see
every day at home:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305146=lg
Comments are invited.

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Re: PSO: Taos Pueblo

[Stanley Halpin]

I think I would rather have more foreground. The stairway (a modern addition) 
is quite in-your-face in this composition, the adobe and colors get lost.
And I would crop the empty space on the right.

stan

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> The Taos Pueblos is one of the oldest continuously inhabited communities in
> the United States, and Thas been designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305147=md
> Comments are invited.
> 
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Re: PUG Themes for 2017

[Bruce Walker]

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 7:54 PM, Bill  wrote:
> On 10/30/2016 12:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> Why don't we simply have a special Rogue's Gallery, with portraits or self
>> portraits of all members of the PDML, so we can have some idea of what we
>> all look  like?
>>
>>
> We only did that 16 years ago, back in August of 2000. Most everyone
> submitted pictures taken when they were much younger.
> I bet if we did it again, we would get a significant number of pictures of
> babies in diapers on sheepskin rugs.

'Round back to Nude again.

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Re: PUG Themes for 2017

[Paul Stenquist]

Paul via phone

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
>> On 10/30/2016 12:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> Why don't we simply have a special Rogue's Gallery, with portraits or self
>> portraits of all members of the PDML, so we can have some idea of what we
>> all look  like?
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
> 
> We only did that 16 years ago, back in August of 2000. Most everyone 
> submitted pictures taken when they were much younger.
> I bet if we did it again, we would get a significant number of pictures of 
> babies in diapers on sheepskin rugs.
> 
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Re: buffer size or write speed

[Bill]

On 10/30/2016 5:53 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I've been lamenting the small size of the K-1 buffer, but some back of
the envelope calculations make me think that the big culprit might be
bus/transfer speed. I'm finding it very tough to find actual sustained
write speeds of SD cards, all of the ones I'm using these day list 80-95
MB/S on the front, but that might just be burst speed.
At 80 MB/S, I should be able to continuously shoot and store a frame
every 1.5-2 seconds.  If that were the case, even if I fill up the
buffer, I should only need to wait 1.5-2 seconds before there's room for
another shot in the buffer, but I often find myself blocked out for far
longer than that.

It's kind of moot, because as long as I'm using high end cards, there's
nothing much I can do to improve the transfer speed, but I have an
aesthetic preference for complaining about the right thing.



Maybe if you are spending a lot of time waiting for the buffer empty, 
you should be complaining about how your lack of skill is requiring you 
to treat your camera like a machine gun.



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Re: PUG Themes for 2017

[Bill]

On 10/30/2016 12:40 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Why don't we simply have a special Rogue's Gallery, with portraits or self
portraits of all members of the PDML, so we can have some idea of what we
all look  like?


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



We only did that 16 years ago, back in August of 2000. Most everyone 
submitted pictures taken when they were much younger.
I bet if we did it again, we would get a significant number of pictures 
of babies in diapers on sheepskin rugs.


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buffer size or write speed

[Larry Colen]

I've been lamenting the small size of the K-1 buffer, but some back of 
the envelope calculations make me think that the big culprit might be 
bus/transfer speed. I'm finding it very tough to find actual sustained 
write speeds of SD cards, all of the ones I'm using these day list 80-95 
MB/S on the front, but that might just be burst speed.
At 80 MB/S, I should be able to continuously shoot and store a frame 
every 1.5-2 seconds.  If that were the case, even if I fill up the 
buffer, I should only need to wait 1.5-2 seconds before there's room for 
another shot in the buffer, but I often find myself blocked out for far 
longer than that.


It's kind of moot, because as long as I'm using high end cards, there's 
nothing much I can do to improve the transfer speed, but I have an 
aesthetic preference for complaining about the right thing.


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Re: K-1 autofocus

[Paul Stenquist]

Yep. I use AFC in select 9. Works great for sports and race cars. But any time 
I might want to focus and reframe, I of course go back to S mode. K-1 autofocus 
is very good if you manage it well.

Paul via phone

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> Sometime recently, I think it was Paul that mentioned using the AF-C mode on 
> his K-1 and having good luck with it.  We've just had several events at the 
> dojo, and I had good luck using AF-C in select 9 mode.
> 
> I forgot to change the camera back, and tried using that when photographing 
> dancers in low light.  I was not nearly so successful.  I suspect that in low 
> light, sharp edges in the background are far more tempting to the camera than 
> they are in good light.
> 
> I'm going to continue experimenting on when to use sel 1vs9 and AF-S vs AF-C 
> (note, I have the AF button configured to lock out autofocus).
> 
> I encourage others to also experiment and please tell me what you discover.
> 
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K-1 autofocus

[Larry Colen]

Sometime recently, I think it was Paul that mentioned using the AF-C 
mode on his K-1 and having good luck with it.  We've just had several 
events at the dojo, and I had good luck using AF-C in select 9 mode.


I forgot to change the camera back, and tried using that when 
photographing dancers in low light.  I was not nearly so successful.  I 
suspect that in low light, sharp edges in the background are far more 
tempting to the camera than they are in good light.


I'm going to continue experimenting on when to use sel 1vs9 and AF-S vs 
AF-C (note, I have the AF button configured to lock out autofocus).


I encourage others to also experiment and please tell me what you discover.

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Re: All Together Now

[Ken Waller]

Nice capture, brings a smile to my face - thanks.

The horses look very stout - any idea what they are?

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- Original Message - 
From: "Malcolm Smith" 

Subject: PESO: All Together Now



Almost a Disney scene:   http://flic.kr/p/NC4iJy



Malcolm



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Re: PESO - 'Falls Bounty'

[Ken Waller]

Thanks for commenting ann.

I try not to post these here more than once, don't believe this is a repost 
but .


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- Original Message - 
From: "ann sanfedele" 

Subject: Re: PESO - 'Falls Bounty'



Seems to me I've liked this before :-)

ann


On 10/29/2016 7:58 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Thanks for commenting Malcolm.

The black background was the result of the exposure I used and the 
location of the leaves on the tree.


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- Original Message - From: "Malcolm Smith" 


Subject: RE: PESO - 'Falls Bounty'



Ken Waller wrote:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18303946

+

I love the frost edge, particularly against a deep black background.

Malcolm



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PSO: Taos Pueblo

[Daniel J. Matyola]

The Taos Pueblos is one of the oldest continuously inhabited communities in
the United States, and Thas been designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305147=md
Comments are invited.

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Re: PESO -- Once Adrift

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Strong composition, and the contrasting textures add a lot of interest.


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On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 5:29 PM, P.J. Alling 
wrote:

> It was a beautiful day before the rains came.  Just before the skies
> opened I was able to capture this.
>
> https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20onceadrift.html
>
> Equipment: Pentax K-5II w/smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6
>
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PESO -- Once Adrift

[P.J. Alling]

It was a beautiful day before the rains came.  Just before the skies 
opened I was able to capture this.


https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20onceadrift.html

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Re: GESO 2016 - 195 to 204 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thank you all for the notes and good wishes! 

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> Some lovely scenes there. I like the b treatment.
> 
> Congratulations getting back on your feet, and on your retirement. I hope 
> you'll use the time to get back your fitness.

That's the plan! Can't do much if I cannot walk or get around… 
It's been a long and dreary narrative over the past several years that's 
finally turning in the right direction. Yay!

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Re: 2 X PESO: The two more serious horse photos.

[Marco Alpert]

You sure have some picturesque critters around there. Nicely done.

m

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 11:38 AM, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
> 
> I waited some time for the light to be right for this, much to the disgust
> of my wife who was walking with me that morning. I could have cropped
> out/cloned out the overgrown bush in the left lower part of the photo, but I
> quite like it as is:
> 
> 
> 
>  http://flic.kr/p/NFgUxt
> 
> 
> 
> Again, I liked the light in this image, as two of them started eating the
> grass:
> 
> 
> 
>  http://flic.kr/p/NC4j8E
> 
> 
> 
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Re: PESO - Jump!

[Marco Alpert]

Interesting take. As it happens, they weren’t aware of me, but I only know that 
because I was there. The shot has to speak for itself.

m

> On Oct 29, 2016, at 5:49 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> My least favorite, because jumpers know you are there  - or so it appears.   
> Not that it isn't a nice shot- but not as intersting to me as the rest.
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> On 10/29/2016 1:39 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>> Thanks, Brian!
>> 
>> - Marco
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2016, at 04:47 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
 Featuring an encore appearance of the man with the dog:
 
 http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso28.html
 
>>> 
>>> Nicely timed - and the encore appearance is a welcome component of the
>>> image.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Brian
>>> 
>>> ++
>>> Brian Walters
>>> Western Sydney Australia
>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
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Re: PUG Themes for 2017

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Why don't we simply have a special Rogue's Gallery, with portraits or self
portraits of all members of the PDML, so we can have some idea of what we
all look  like?


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PESO: Iconic

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I misread the theme for the November PUG.  I thought it was "iconic," and
intended to submit this image.  When I went to submit, however, I noticed
that the theme actually was "iconic places," so I had to select another
image for the PUG.

So, I decided to make this an "iconic" PESO:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18304778
Comments are invited.

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2 X PESO: The two more serious horse photos.

[Malcolm Smith]

I waited some time for the light to be right for this, much to the disgust
of my wife who was walking with me that morning. I could have cropped
out/cloned out the overgrown bush in the left lower part of the photo, but I
quite like it as is:

 

  http://flic.kr/p/NFgUxt

 

Again, I liked the light in this image, as two of them started eating the
grass:

 

  http://flic.kr/p/NC4j8E

 

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Re: PESO: All Together Now

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Those nags are for the birds!

Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 3:50 AM, Malcolm Smith 
wrote:

> Almost a Disney scene:   http://flic.kr/p/NC4iJy
>
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RE: PESO: All Together Now

[Malcolm Smith]

Bob W wrote:

Makes me think of Animal Farm rather than Disney. It's a beautiful shot.


Thanks. I thought it was fun. I took two more serious attempts - I'll post
the links next.

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RE: PESO: All Together Now

[Malcolm Smith]

ann sanfedele wrote:

More cartoon like? Fie!  yuck!

+

LOL!

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Re: Fast Normal Zoom. (for APS-C)

[P.J. Alling]

It's only a stop slower than the other 16/17mm-50/55mm lenses, and the 
same speed as the Pentax 17-70mm. Everything I've heard about it is 
good, but I ruled it out because I've been looking for something that 
fills in the gap between the short zoom and one of the 70-210mm lenses I 
tend to favor.


On 10/30/2016 2:12 PM, Sandy Harris wrote:

I have the 16-45 Pentax DA F4 and am quite happy with it. It may not
be fast enough for you, but for me it works well.

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 5:22 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:


P.J. Alling wrote:


It doesn't look like a Full Frame camera is in my budget for quite some
time, and let's face it, I've come to terms with APS-C. The K-5II is
more than sufficient for most of what I do, in fact is better than most
needs. A more identical backup body is what I'm more likely to get than
an actual full frame camera, maybe a K-7 another K-5[II(s)], or K3
thought the latter would have some of the same problems as using the
K20D as backup, though the K5II hasn't failed me yet.

So I'm looking at APS-C lenses.

I've kind of narrowed it down to five lenses, at this point, based on
reviews.

Pentax FA* 16-55 f2.8 available new.


Somewhat to my surprise, my DA*16-50/2.8 became my daily driver lens once I
got my K-5, which had enough sensor sensitivity that I could get by with a
slow lens.  It's reasonably sharp, reasonably fast, waterproof and a handy
range.

However, if I didn't have the K-1, I'd be looking at a Sigma 18-35/1.8. The
downsides are a bit less range, and it is not weather sealed.

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Re: GESO 2016 - 195 to 204 - GDG

[ann sanfedele]

I dont' remember seeing 197 before -- and I love it..

ann


On 10/30/2016 1:30 PM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

First time back to my walk carrying a camera in a month or more.
My legs are healing, I can walk again.
And … I have retired from my work at Apple. :-)

Things seen along the way:

https://flic.kr/p/NzYHYn
https://flic.kr/p/NzYHtz
https://flic.kr/p/NzYGY6
https://flic.kr/p/MKKpe4
https://flic.kr/p/NxrgAN
https://flic.kr/p/Nxrgbu
https://flic.kr/p/NxrMF7
https://flic.kr/p/NzYLDT
https://flic.kr/p/NzYK4P
https://flic.kr/p/NzYJv4
+++

Very pleased to hear you're on the move again and you can start to enjoy your 
retirement now. Great images.

Malcolm





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Re: PESO: All Together Now

[ann sanfedele]

More cartoon like? Fie!  yuck!

ann


On 10/30/2016 1:32 PM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

ann sanfedele wrote:

"Almost a Disney scene:"  almost kept me from looking :-)

Who is herding who here?  I love those horses, but prefer the other shot you
showed us... this one actually is a bit too Disney
+++

Too good an opportunity to miss - but I will see if I can actually make it
more cartoon like in Photoshop. Thanks for looking.

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Re: PUG Themes for 2017

[ann sanfedele]

What about photos of PDML'ers that others of us have taken?  There have 
been some really nice ones over the years.


ann


On 10/30/2016 1:11 PM, Paul in MKE wrote:
HHm.  I don't know.  I know what *some* PDMLers look like, but not 
the bulk of the group.  I'd like to be able to put more names and 
faces together.


-p


On 10/30/2016 11:26 AM, John wrote:

I think it's been mentioned several times. Ann's reaction pretty much
sums up the discussion every time it has been suggested.

On 10/29/2016 7:30 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Horrors!

ann


On 10/29/2016 12:21 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 12:15 PM, P.J. Alling
 wrote:

On this list Nude frightens me inordinately...
That reminds me: wasn't Self-Portrait mentioned as a theme 
possibility?












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Re: PUG Themes for 2017

[ann sanfedele]

I was reacting to the thought of seeing P.J.

ann


On 10/30/2016 12:34 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
I thought that was her reaction to nude self portraits, or maybe nude 
self portraitists.


On 10/30/2016 12:26 PM, John wrote:

I think it's been mentioned several times. Ann's reaction pretty much
sums up the discussion every time it has been suggested.

On 10/29/2016 7:30 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Horrors!

ann


On 10/29/2016 12:21 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 12:15 PM, P.J. Alling
 wrote:

On this list Nude frightens me inordinately...
That reminds me: wasn't Self-Portrait mentioned as a theme 
possibility?













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Re: Fast Normal Zoom. (for APS-C)

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I have the 16-45 Pentax DA F4 and am quite happy with it. It may not
be fast enough for you, but for me it works well.

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 5:22 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> P.J. Alling wrote:
>
>> It doesn't look like a Full Frame camera is in my budget for quite some
>> time, and let's face it, I've come to terms with APS-C. The K-5II is
>> more than sufficient for most of what I do, in fact is better than most
>> needs. A more identical backup body is what I'm more likely to get than
>> an actual full frame camera, maybe a K-7 another K-5[II(s)], or K3
>> thought the latter would have some of the same problems as using the
>> K20D as backup, though the K5II hasn't failed me yet.
>>
>> So I'm looking at APS-C lenses.
>>
>> I've kind of narrowed it down to five lenses, at this point, based on
>> reviews.
>>
>> Pentax FA* 16-55 f2.8 available new.
>
>
> Somewhat to my surprise, my DA*16-50/2.8 became my daily driver lens once I
> got my K-5, which had enough sensor sensitivity that I could get by with a
> slow lens.  It's reasonably sharp, reasonably fast, waterproof and a handy
> range.
>
> However, if I didn't have the K-1, I'd be looking at a Sigma 18-35/1.8. The
> downsides are a bit less range, and it is not weather sealed.
>
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Re: GESO 2016 - 195 to 204 - GDG

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I like 197 -- Walk #3.  Interesting find, and very well presented.

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On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
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> First time back to my walk carrying a camera in a month or more.
> My legs are healing, I can walk again.
> And … I have retired from my work at Apple. :-)
>
> Things seen along the way:
>
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYHYn
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYHtz
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYGY6
> https://flic.kr/p/MKKpe4
> https://flic.kr/p/NxrgAN
> https://flic.kr/p/Nxrgbu
> https://flic.kr/p/NxrMF7
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYLDT
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYK4P
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYJv4
>
> Flickr album page: https://flic.kr/s/aHskKyL6ZM
>
> onwards!
> G
> —
> The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it.
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Re: PESO: All Together Now

[Bob W-PDML]

Makes me think of Animal Farm rather than Disney. It's a beautiful shot.

B

> On 30 Oct 2016, at 16:27, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> Na, if this was Disney, there'd be at least a cat, riding on one of the 
> horses, a dog, a fox, at one or more dear, and a bunch of smaller birds 
> flying around.
> 
> I you want to see this the right way, think of it as a herd of gigantic mice, 
> and a bunch of miniaturized feathered dinosaurs sharing a walk in a field.  
> That's what I did.
> 
>> On 10/30/2016 12:09 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
>> "Almost a Disney scene:"  almost kept me from looking :-)
>> 
>> Who is herding who here?  I love those horses, but prefer the other shot you 
>> showed us... this one actually is a bit too Disney
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/30/2016 3:50 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote:
>>> Almost a Disney scene:  http://flic.kr/p/NC4iJy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Malcolm
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: GESO 2016 - 195 to 204 - GDG

[Bob W-PDML]

Some lovely scenes there. I like the b treatment.

Congratulations getting back on your feet, and on your retirement. I hope 
you'll use the time to get back your fitness.

B

> On 30 Oct 2016, at 16:16, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> First time back to my walk carrying a camera in a month or more. 
> My legs are healing, I can walk again. 
> And … I have retired from my work at Apple. :-)
> 
> Things seen along the way:
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYHYn
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYHtz
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYGY6
> https://flic.kr/p/MKKpe4
> https://flic.kr/p/NxrgAN
> https://flic.kr/p/Nxrgbu
> https://flic.kr/p/NxrMF7
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYLDT
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYK4P
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYJv4
> 
> Flickr album page: https://flic.kr/s/aHskKyL6ZM
> 
> onwards!
> G
> —
> The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it.
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Re: GESO 2016 - 195 to 204 - GDG

[Marco Alpert]

Glad to hear healing is proceeding well. 

So, is that retirement from Apple, or retirement altogether?

Also, all the photos are lovely, but 196, 197, and 201 especially.

m



> On Oct 30, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> First time back to my walk carrying a camera in a month or more. 
> My legs are healing, I can walk again. 
> And … I have retired from my work at Apple. :-)
> 
> Things seen along the way:
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYHYn
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYHtz
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYGY6
> https://flic.kr/p/MKKpe4
> https://flic.kr/p/NxrgAN
> https://flic.kr/p/Nxrgbu
> https://flic.kr/p/NxrMF7
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYLDT
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYK4P
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYJv4
> 
> Flickr album page: https://flic.kr/s/aHskKyL6ZM
> 
> onwards!
> G
> —
> The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it.
> 


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RE: PESO: All Together Now

[Malcolm Smith]

ann sanfedele wrote:

"Almost a Disney scene:"  almost kept me from looking :-)

Who is herding who here?  I love those horses, but prefer the other shot you
showed us... this one actually is a bit too Disney
+++

Too good an opportunity to miss - but I will see if I can actually make it
more cartoon like in Photoshop. Thanks for looking.

Malcolm


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RE: GESO 2016 - 195 to 204 - GDG

[Malcolm Smith]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

First time back to my walk carrying a camera in a month or more. 
My legs are healing, I can walk again. 
And … I have retired from my work at Apple. :-)

Things seen along the way:

https://flic.kr/p/NzYHYn
https://flic.kr/p/NzYHtz
https://flic.kr/p/NzYGY6
https://flic.kr/p/MKKpe4
https://flic.kr/p/NxrgAN
https://flic.kr/p/Nxrgbu
https://flic.kr/p/NxrMF7
https://flic.kr/p/NzYLDT
https://flic.kr/p/NzYK4P
https://flic.kr/p/NzYJv4
+++

Very pleased to hear you're on the move again and you can start to enjoy your 
retirement now. Great images.

Malcolm


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Re: GESO 2016 - 195 to 204 - GDG

[Steve Cottrell]

On 30/10/16, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>First time back to my walk carrying a camera in a month or more. 
>My legs are healing, I can walk again. 
>And ... I have retired from my work at Apple. :-)
>
>Things seen along the way:
>
>https://flic.kr/p/NzYHYn
>https://flic.kr/p/NzYHtz
>https://flic.kr/p/NzYGY6
>https://flic.kr/p/MKKpe4
>https://flic.kr/p/NxrgAN
>https://flic.kr/p/Nxrgbu
>https://flic.kr/p/NxrMF7
>https://flic.kr/p/NzYLDT
>https://flic.kr/p/NzYK4P
>https://flic.kr/p/NzYJv4

Enjoyed looking :-) 197 does it for me.

Congratulations on your retirement! I am about 18 months away, give or
take, and I am so looking forward to it

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Re: GESO 2016 - 195 to 204 - GDG

[Paul in MKE]

Good on 'ya for the retirement.  After a while you'll wonder how you 
ever found time to work. :-)


-p


On 10/30/2016 11:11 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

First time back to my walk carrying a camera in a month or more.
My legs are healing, I can walk again.
And … I have retired from my work at Apple. :-)

Things seen along the way:

https://flic.kr/p/NzYHYn
https://flic.kr/p/NzYHtz
https://flic.kr/p/NzYGY6
https://flic.kr/p/MKKpe4
https://flic.kr/p/NxrgAN
https://flic.kr/p/Nxrgbu
https://flic.kr/p/NxrMF7
https://flic.kr/p/NzYLDT
https://flic.kr/p/NzYK4P
https://flic.kr/p/NzYJv4

Flickr album page: https://flic.kr/s/aHskKyL6ZM

onwards!
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Re: PUG Themes for 2017

[Paul in MKE]

HHm.  I don't know.  I know what *some* PDMLers look like, but not 
the bulk of the group.  I'd like to be able to put more names and faces 
together.


-p


On 10/30/2016 11:26 AM, John wrote:

I think it's been mentioned several times. Ann's reaction pretty much
sums up the discussion every time it has been suggested.

On 10/29/2016 7:30 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Horrors!

ann


On 10/29/2016 12:21 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 12:15 PM, P.J. Alling
 wrote:

On this list Nude frightens me inordinately...

That reminds me: wasn't Self-Portrait mentioned as a theme possibility?








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Re: PUG Themes for 2017

[P.J. Alling]

I thought that was her reaction to nude self portraits, or maybe nude 
self portraitists.


On 10/30/2016 12:26 PM, John wrote:

I think it's been mentioned several times. Ann's reaction pretty much
sums up the discussion every time it has been suggested.

On 10/29/2016 7:30 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Horrors!

ann


On 10/29/2016 12:21 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 12:15 PM, P.J. Alling
 wrote:

On this list Nude frightens me inordinately...

That reminds me: wasn't Self-Portrait mentioned as a theme possibility?









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Re: PUG Themes for 2017

[John]

I think it's been mentioned several times. Ann's reaction pretty much
sums up the discussion every time it has been suggested.

On 10/29/2016 7:30 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Horrors!

ann


On 10/29/2016 12:21 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 12:15 PM, P.J. Alling
 wrote:

On this list Nude frightens me inordinately...

That reminds me: wasn't Self-Portrait mentioned as a theme possibility?






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Re: PESO: All Together Now

[P.J. Alling]

Na, if this was Disney, there'd be at least a cat, riding on one of the 
horses, a dog, a fox, at one or more dear, and a bunch of smaller birds 
flying around.


I you want to see this the right way, think of it as a herd of gigantic 
mice, and a bunch of miniaturized feathered dinosaurs sharing a walk in 
a field.  That's what I did.


On 10/30/2016 12:09 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

"Almost a Disney scene:"  almost kept me from looking :-)

Who is herding who here?  I love those horses, but prefer the other 
shot you showed us... this one actually is a bit too Disney


ann


On 10/30/2016 3:50 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

Almost a Disney scene:  http://flic.kr/p/NC4iJy


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Re: GESO 2016 - 195 to 204 - GDG

[Jack Davis]

"Onwards" indeed! Good to read
you've reached retirement and in
improving condition.
Best!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> First time back to my walk carrying a camera in a month or more. 
> My legs are healing, I can walk again. 
> And … I have retired from my work at Apple. :-)
> 
> Things seen along the way:
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYHYn
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYHtz
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYGY6
> https://flic.kr/p/MKKpe4
> https://flic.kr/p/NxrgAN
> https://flic.kr/p/Nxrgbu
> https://flic.kr/p/NxrMF7
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYLDT
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYK4P
> https://flic.kr/p/NzYJv4
> 
> Flickr album page: https://flic.kr/s/aHskKyL6ZM
> 
> onwards!
> G
> —
> The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it.
> 
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GESO 2016 - 195 to 204 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

First time back to my walk carrying a camera in a month or more. 
My legs are healing, I can walk again. 
And … I have retired from my work at Apple. :-)

Things seen along the way:

https://flic.kr/p/NzYHYn
https://flic.kr/p/NzYHtz
https://flic.kr/p/NzYGY6
https://flic.kr/p/MKKpe4
https://flic.kr/p/NxrgAN
https://flic.kr/p/Nxrgbu
https://flic.kr/p/NxrMF7
https://flic.kr/p/NzYLDT
https://flic.kr/p/NzYK4P
https://flic.kr/p/NzYJv4

Flickr album page: https://flic.kr/s/aHskKyL6ZM

onwards!
G
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Re: PESO: All Together Now

[ann sanfedele]

"Almost a Disney scene:"  almost kept me from looking :-)

Who is herding who here?  I love those horses, but prefer the other shot 
you showed us... this one actually is a bit too Disney


ann


On 10/30/2016 3:50 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

Almost a Disney scene:   http://flic.kr/p/NC4iJy

  


Malcolm




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RE: PESO: All Together Now

[Malcolm Smith]

Jack Davis wrote:

A unique scene and one certainly worthy of recording.
An alert catch, Malcolm!

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Thanks Jack, it was taken as a fun shot.

Malcolm


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Re: PESO: All Together Now

[Jack Davis]

A unique scene and one certainly worthy of recording.
An alert catch, Malcolm!

J

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Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 12:50:49 AM
Subject: PESO: All Together Now

Almost a Disney scene:   http://flic.kr/p/NC4iJy

 

Malcolm

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Re: Fast Normal Zoom. (for APS-C)

[Larry Colen]

P.J. Alling wrote:


It doesn't look like a Full Frame camera is in my budget for quite some
time, and let's face it, I've come to terms with APS-C. The K-5II is
more than sufficient for most of what I do, in fact is better than most
needs. A more identical backup body is what I'm more likely to get than
an actual full frame camera, maybe a K-7 another K-5[II(s)], or K3
thought the latter would have some of the same problems as using the
K20D as backup, though the K5II hasn't failed me yet.

So I'm looking at APS-C lenses.

I've kind of narrowed it down to five lenses, at this point, based on
reviews.

Pentax FA* 16-55 f2.8 available new.


Somewhat to my surprise, my DA*16-50/2.8 became my daily driver lens 
once I got my K-5, which had enough sensor sensitivity that I could get 
by with a slow lens.  It's reasonably sharp, reasonably fast, waterproof 
and a handy range.


However, if I didn't have the K-1, I'd be looking at a Sigma 18-35/1.8. 
The downsides are a bit less range, and it is not weather sealed.


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PESO: All Together Now

[Malcolm Smith]

Almost a Disney scene:   http://flic.kr/p/NC4iJy

 

Malcolm

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Re: Fast Normal Zoom. (for APS-C)

[Henk Terhell]

The Tamron SP AF 17-50/2.8 XR is my favorite standard zoom. Cheap and 
reliable. I have my second one after a fall with my bike.


Henk

Op 2016-10-29 om 19:06 schreef P.J. Alling:
So I've been getting along using a combination of a Manual focus 
Varafocal, (Vivitar 35-85mm f2.8), and a FA 20-35mm which satisfies 
most of my needs, but they can be damnably inconvenient, the varafocal 
makes me think that sometimes I need extra fingers and more inertial 
processing for my brain to keep track of stop down metering, 
re-framing and refocusing, which leads to a lot more missed shots than 
I'm happy with.  Swapping to the 20-35 and back, is sometimes 
necessary at very inconvenient times which also leads to missed shots.


It doesn't look like a Full Frame camera is in my budget for quite 
some time, and let's face it, I've come to terms with APS-C.  The 
K-5II is more than sufficient for most of what I do, in fact is better 
than most needs.  A more identical backup body is what I'm more likely 
to get than an actual full frame camera, maybe a K-7 another 
K-5[II(s)], or K3 thought the latter would have some of the same 
problems as using the K20D as backup, though the K5II hasn't failed me 
yet.


So I'm looking at APS-C lenses.

I've kind of narrowed it down to five lenses, at this point, based on 
reviews.


Pentax FA* 16-55 f2.8 available new.

Sigma 17-50 f2.8, comes in couple versions, latest version still 
available new.


Tamron 17-50 f2.8 also comes in a couple of versions latest version 
still available new.


Pentax FA 17-70, seems to be discontinued, but still available new.

Sigma 17-70, three versions, latest one still available new.


All of them have pluses and minuses, the Pentax FA* is the most 
expensive, the first version of the Tamron is least expensive, of 
course it's only really available used.  I like the idea of the 17-70 
as it would cut down on the necessity of changing lenses when things 
are moving fast.


I know there are people on the list who've used later Sigma 17-70, and 
the two Pentax lenses, but what about the Sigma 17-50 and Tamron 17-50 
has anybody got any experience with them? Optically good? Mechanically 
crap? Vice Versa?


It comes down to the fact that I don't trust most reviewers. I'll pick 
up something that's gotten bad reviews play with it a while and think, 
this isn't nearly as bad as I expected, hell this even seems to be 
pretty good, and things that have gotten good reviews and think, what 
the f*#k was that guy talking about this is pretty horrible.  You guys 
have real world experience, what is it.






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RE: Peso: Christmas Cactus

[Malcolm Smith]

Bill wrote:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/new_photos/cacti1.html



Beautiful. Just beautiful.

Malcolm


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