Re: Printer reccomendations

2019-07-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
You ask questions for which I can only conjecture, and I don't do that. I can 
only say for sure what the manual says. 

"EPSON P600 User Manual  - page 137

Switching the Black Ink Type

Switching the black ink type takes several minutes and consumes some ink in the 
process. Check the black ink type media list to select the correct type for the 
media you loaded.

1. Press the home button.
2. Press the black ink change button.
3. Select Proceed and select one of these types of black ink to switch to:
 • Photo Black to Matte Black—switching takes about 1.5 minutes
 • Matte Black to Photo Black—switching takes about 3.5 minutes"

I would imagine that the two Black inks use the same feed lines in the head 
from this, and likely because of the added cost of doing independent feed lines 
(and whatever other complications that it might entail). But that's as far as I 
am willing to conjecture. I don't design this stuff, I use it. Far be it from 
me to tell the engineers how to do their job.

I turned off autoswitching because I only rarely print on papers that don't 
take Matte Black ink and found that if I chose the wrong paper type at first 
then later changed to the correct paper type, the printer needlessly cycled 
back and forth wasting a lot of time and a bit of ink. 

G


> On Jul 1, 2019, at 3:16 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 
> Godfrey,
> 
> That information that the printer has an ink-changing cycle  is interesting.
> But what is actually done during that cycle?
> I assumed that having both blacks simultaneously spares you from any
> ink waste, and what I am reading from your suggests (if I understood it 
> correctly), that could be a wrong assumption.
> 
> But I am still curious, - what do they actually do? Purge the nozzles from 
> one black and initialize them with the other one? That would mean
> that despite having both black cartridges installed at the same time, they 
> are multiplexing the head nozzles.
> But why? Why wouldn't they have separate sets of nozzles, just considering
> each black as a separate color (like they do for Light Black and Light-Light 
> Black [LK and LLK])?
> 
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
> 
> Godfrey DiGiorgi Sun, 30 Jun 2019 18:14:15 -0700 wrote:
> 
>> BTW: the P600 ink tanks are much larger than R2400 and R2880. They're up in 
>> the 20-25 ml range. And the Photo Black and Matte Black inks are installed 
>> simultaneously … the printer will even change ink mode automatically based 
>> upon the paper you select, if you enable that option. (I don't, because it 
>> means more possibilities of an ink change cycle which takes time and costs 
>> ink.) I've found the P600's ink tanks and general economy in printing reduce 
>> the per print cost quite significantly over the R2400.


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PESO 2019 - 066 - GDG

2019-07-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
From one of my downtown cafe stops last week... 

  https://flic.kr/p/2gp6UQD

enjoy!
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Re: Printer reccomendations

2019-07-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
You ask questions for which I can only conjecture, and I don't do that. I can 
only say for sure what the manual says. 

"EPSON P600 User Manual  - page 137

Switching the Black Ink Type

Switching the black ink type takes several minutes and consumes some ink in the 
process. Check the black ink type media list to select the correct type for the 
media you loaded.

1. Press the home button.
2. Press the black ink change button.
3. Select Proceed and select one of these types of black ink to switch to:
  • Photo Black to Matte Black—switching takes about 1.5 minutes
  • Matte Black to Photo Black—switching takes about 3.5 minutes"

I would imagine that the two Black inks use the same feed lines in the head 
from this, and likely because of the added cost of doing independent feed lines 
(and whatever other complications that it might entail). But that's as far as I 
am willing to conjecture. I don't design this stuff, I use it. Far be it from 
me to tell the engineers how to do their job.

I turned off autoswitching because I only rarely print on papers that don't 
take Matte Black ink and found that if I chose the wrong paper type at first 
then later changed to the correct paper type, the printer needlessly cycled 
back and forth wasting a lot of time and a bit of ink. 

G


> On Jul 1, 2019, at 3:16 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 
> Godfrey,
> 
> That information that the printer has an ink-changing cycle  is interesting.
> But what is actually done during that cycle?
> I assumed that having both blacks simultaneously spares you from any
> ink waste, and what I am reading from your suggests (if I understood it 
> correctly), that could be a wrong assumption.
> 
> But I am still curious, - what do they actually do? Purge the nozzles from 
> one black and initialize them with the other one? That would mean
> that despite having both black cartridges installed at the same time, they 
> are multiplexing the head nozzles.
> But why? Why wouldn't they have separate sets of nozzles, just considering
> each black as a separate color (like they do for Light Black and Light-Light 
> Black [LK and LLK])?
> 
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
> 
> Godfrey DiGiorgi Sun, 30 Jun 2019 18:14:15 -0700 wrote:
> 
>> BTW: the P600 ink tanks are much larger than R2400 and R2880. They're up in 
>> the 20-25 ml range. And the Photo Black and Matte Black inks are installed 
>> simultaneously … the printer will even change ink mode automatically based 
>> upon the paper you select, if you enable that option. (I don't, because it 
>> means more possibilities of an ink change cycle which takes time and costs 
>> ink.) I've found the P600's ink tanks and general economy in printing reduce 
>> the per print cost quite significantly over the R2400.


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Re: Printer reccomendations

2019-07-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
> On Jul 1, 2019, at 4:58 AM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 01.07.19 um 00:33 schrieb Godfrey DiGiorgi:
> 
>> The worst thing you can do to a quality printer is let it sit.
> 
> This appears to be the point. I've simply never printed enough.
> 
> I was quite happy with my old 1270 which never gave me any problem. I
> still have a number of prints hanging here after well over 10 years -
> behind glass - that still look fine. The trouble started when Epson
> repaired my 1270 to death and offered me a discount on a 2400 which I
> thought I couldn't refuse. Little did I know.
> 
> I've never even contemplated making money from my photography. I want it
> to be fun and nothing else.
> 
> In the last 20 years, I've sold exactly two prints. The rest is hanging
> on my own walls. Obviously not enough to keep a printer with
> pigment-based inks happy.

That last is an interesting statement. 

Generally speaking, printers for dye-based inks tend to have a far greater 
chance of clogging because the nozzles have smaller orifices than the ones for 
pigment-based inks. My prior dye-based Epson 1160 (think that's the right 
number) and 1270 both died because the dye-based ink printing heads became 
irretrievably clogged and it was too expensive to replace the heads. None of 
the pigment-based printers I've had have ever had a clog.

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Re: Printer reccomendations

2019-07-01 Thread Igor PDML-StR




This goes beyond the original questions, - but I've never known about the 
principal differences in the printer head technologies between Epson on 
one end and Canon & HP on the other. Some PDMLers might find it 
interesting.


https://largeformatscanners.com/blog/4142/What-is-a-print-head-and-how-does-it-work-

I don't know if that difference is applicable to the printers segment we 
are discussing here or only to the wide-format (17"+ or 24"+) printers 
(also sometimes called "poster printers" or even "plotters").


Igor


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Re: Printer reccomendations

2019-07-01 Thread Igor PDML-StR


Godfrey,

That information that the printer has an ink-changing cycle  is 
interesting.

But what is actually done during that cycle?
I assumed that having both blacks simultaneously spares you from any
ink waste, and what I am reading from your suggests (if I understood it 
correctly), that could be a wrong assumption.


But I am still curious, - what do they actually do? Purge the nozzles from 
one black and initialize them with the other one? That would mean
that despite having both black cartridges installed at the same time, they 
are multiplexing the head nozzles.

But why? Why wouldn't they have separate sets of nozzles, just considering
each black as a separate color (like they do for Light Black and 
Light-Light Black [LK and LLK])?



Igor



 Godfrey DiGiorgi Sun, 30 Jun 2019 18:14:15 -0700 wrote:

BTW: the P600 ink tanks are much larger than R2400 and R2880. They're up 
in the 20-25 ml range. And the Photo Black and Matte Black inks are 
installed simultaneously … the printer will even change ink mode 
automatically based upon the paper you select, if you enable that option. 
(I don't, because it means more possibilities of an ink change cycle which 
takes time and costs ink.) I've found the P600's ink tanks and general 
economy in printing reduce the per print cost quite significantly over the 
R2400.


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Re: Happy Canada Day!

2019-07-01 Thread John

On 7/1/2019 11:53:48, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 01.07.19 um 16:08 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola:


Canadians are, I believe, the only nationality consistently mocked for
their modesty and politeness -- except, of course, on the ice.


A few months ago, German newspapers and their websites were full of
articles about how really nice those Canadians are. The few I've met
online and elsewhere certainly were.

I'd love to visit the country. A pity there are no trains going there.

So, happy Canada day to one and all.

Ralf



If you don't like to fly, I think you can still get to North America on a ship.

OH, yeah ... happy Canada Day whether you're Canadian or not.


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Re: Printer reccomendations

2019-07-01 Thread John

On 6/30/2019 19:33:46, Larry Colen wrote:


There are, however, some advantages to printing myself, such as paper selection 
and being able to print any of my images, not just the family friendly ones.





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Re: robber fly with damselfly

2019-07-01 Thread Henk Terhell

Thanks Larry

Henk

Op 2019-07-01 om 18:18 schreef l...@red4est.com:

Great shot!

On July 1, 2019 12:59:32 AM PDT, Henk Terhell  wrote:

Last week I saw these two on  a stalk and I didn't realize immediately
what was happening.
When I tried to shoot closer they disappeared in one flight.
Robber flies stab and inject toxins which paralyze their victims.
https://flic.kr/p/2gjNrT5

Henk





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Re: GESO (12) - Toledo Cathedral

2019-07-01 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
It has been decades since we were there, but I remember it fondly and look
forward to your images.

Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 7:57 PM Rick Womer  wrote:

> The Córdoba mosque is one of the most beautiful and inspiring spaces we’ve
> visited. I took many photos, but it will be several weeks before I work my
> way down to them.
>
> Rick
>
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 15:22 Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
>
> > The Cathedral we visited is Cordoba had been a mosque and still looked
> like
> > one.  It was referred to as the Mezquita.
> >
> > It is  The Mosque–Cathedral of Córdoba, also known as the Great Mosque of
> > Córdoba and the Mezquita, now also called the Cathedral of Our Lady of
> the
> > Assumption, as the cathedral of the Diocese of Córdoba
> >
> > Dan Matyola
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 1:58 PM Bob Pdml  wrote:
> >
> > > Quite a few Spanish cathedrals were built on top of mosques, or
> otherwise
> > > incorporated former mosques into their plan, and this makes them very
> > > distinctive compared to cathedrals elsewhere in Yurp.
> > >
> > > > On 29 Jun 2019, at 22:43, Rick Womer  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is an unusual place: It does not have the traditional crucifix
> > plan
> > > of a cathedral, and the space is strangely divided: The chancel is
> > behind a
> > > tall iron fence (with just enough space between the pickets to admit my
> > > camera lens); the choir is surrounded by high walls on four sides, with
> > an
> > > iron gate into the chancel side of the nave and no communication with
> the
> > > rest of the space; there are five large altars scattered about (and
> > about a
> > > dozen more in small chapels); and the decoration is opulent beyond
> > > description..
> > > >
> > > > I have seen photos showing the whole ceiling of the nave to give some
> > > idea of the size of the place, but I couldn’t find a vantage point from
> > > which that odd choir wasn’t an obstruction. I hope the gallery provides
> > an
> > > idea of the size.
> > > >
> > > > https://rickwomer.smugmug.com/Spain-2019/Toledo-Cathedral/
> > > >
> > > > Comments appreciated!
> > > >
> > > > Rick
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Re: robber fly with damselfly

2019-07-01 Thread lrc
Great shot!

On July 1, 2019 12:59:32 AM PDT, Henk Terhell  wrote:
>Last week I saw these two on  a stalk and I didn't realize immediately 
>what was happening.
>When I tried to shoot closer they disappeared in one flight.
>Robber flies stab and inject toxins which paralyze their victims.
>https://flic.kr/p/2gjNrT5
>
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Re: robber fly with damselfly

2019-07-01 Thread Henk Terhell

Thanks Dan and Paul.

Henk

Op 2019-07-01 om 15:44 schreef Daniel J. Matyola:

Fascinating scene, with gorgeous detail!  Well captured and presented.

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On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 4:00 AM Henk Terhell  wrote:


Last week I saw these two on  a stalk and I didn't realize immediately
what was happening.
When I tried to shoot closer they disappeared in one flight.
Robber flies stab and inject toxins which paralyze their victims.
https://flic.kr/p/2gjNrT5

Henk

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Re: robber fly with damselfly

2019-07-01 Thread Henk Terhell

Sure, Mac Damselfly Tonight.

Henk

Op 2019-07-01 om 16:33 schreef Alan C:

Sort of insect "Mack the Knife"!

Alan C

On 01-Jul-19 09:59 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
Last week I saw these two on  a stalk and I didn't realize 
immediately what was happening.

When I tried to shoot closer they disappeared in one flight.
Robber flies stab and inject toxins which paralyze their victims.
https://flic.kr/p/2gjNrT5

Henk







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Re: Happy Canada Day!

2019-07-01 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 01.07.19 um 16:08 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola:


Canadians are, I believe, the only nationality consistently mocked for
their modesty and politeness -- except, of course, on the ice.


A few months ago, German newspapers and their websites were full of
articles about how really nice those Canadians are. The few I've met
online and elsewhere certainly were.

I'd love to visit the country. A pity there are no trains going there.

So, happy Canada day to one and all.

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Re: PESO 2019 - 065 - GDG

2019-07-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I believe it's the home stadium for the San Francisco 49ers (NFL) now. I seem 
to recall they moved from Candlestick Park in SF about five years ago, amidst 
some controversy of course. I've also seen some big music events advertised as 
being put on there.

I don't really follow much in way of ball sports so am not really that 
knowledgeable about the stadium other than that it causes traffic tie ups and 
such when an event is going on… :)

G


> On Jul 1, 2019, at 7:25 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Nicely photographed.
> Which team or teams play games there?
> 
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> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 11:38 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> wrote:
> 
>> My bicycle ride today brought me right up past this little thing:
>> 
>>  https://flic.kr/p/2gogock
>> 
>> It's a monstrosity, but eh? It's only obnoxious for me when they close the
>> trail during events.


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Re: GESO June favorites

2019-07-01 Thread lrc


On July 1, 2019 7:31:23 AM PDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
wrote:
>Impressive gallery, Larry!  (as usual)

Thanks Dan
>
>My favorite is the landscape with the snow-capped mountains.  What
>peaks
>are those?

That is mount Shasta, taken from Weed. The same mountain as in my milky way 
photo from about a year ago.

>
>The first image is a bit unusual;  at first glance, it appears that the
>bird has lost its lower half.  😀
>
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>
>
>On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 10:48 PM Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>> I've already shown many of these, but here are my favorites from
>June.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157709100239836
>>
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Re: robber fly with damselfly

2019-07-01 Thread Alan C

Sort of insect "Mack the Knife"!

Alan C

On 01-Jul-19 09:59 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
Last week I saw these two on  a stalk and I didn't realize immediately 
what was happening.

When I tried to shoot closer they disappeared in one flight.
Robber flies stab and inject toxins which paralyze their victims.
https://flic.kr/p/2gjNrT5

Henk




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Re: GESO June favorites

2019-07-01 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Impressive gallery, Larry!  (as usual)

My favorite is the landscape with the snow-capped mountains.  What peaks
are those?

The first image is a bit unusual;  at first glance, it appears that the
bird has lost its lower half.  😀

Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 10:48 PM Larry Colen  wrote:

> I've already shown many of these, but here are my favorites from June.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157709100239836
>
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Re: PESO 2019 - 065 - GDG

2019-07-01 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nicely photographed.
Which team or teams play games there?

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On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 11:38 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi 
wrote:

> My bicycle ride today brought me right up past this little thing:
>
>   https://flic.kr/p/2gogock
>
> It's a monstrosity, but eh? It's only obnoxious for me when they close the
> trail during events.
>
> enjoy!
>
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Re: Printer reccomendations

2019-07-01 Thread P. J. Alling
I found that the break even point for prints is about 8x10, especially 
using the bargain Illford Gallery paper I picked up a few years back, it 
worked out to about 10¢ per sheet, which even with ink costs made an 
8x10, or, 8 1/2 x 11 really, considerably less expensive than any of the 
local printers would charge.


If I need to print anything smaller even Milford Photo can make any 
standard size print up to 5x7 for less than I can*.  At $1.00 a sheet of 
more for paper I'm still able to make 8x10s for less, and I have at 
least nominal control over every step in the process from camera to print.


*That is except for 4x6 proofs, until I run out of the Canon glossy 
paper that someone gave me a couple of years ago.  I don't make a lot of 
those and even with the free paper I think I spend more on ink for the 
2x6s than they would cost me at Walmart.


On 6/30/2019 7:33 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



mike wilson wrote on 6/30/19 1:34 PM:



I don't have walls enough to hang all the prints I could make there 
with
the money I've saved by not buying more ink for that stupid Epson 
printer.


I'm with Ralf.  I realised, well over a decade ago, that I had spent 
a four figure sum on hardware alone to print a three figure sum's 
worth of prints.  After a prolonged bout of self-butt-kicking, I 
discarded the lot and have never been happier.




When I got back into photography about 12 years ago, I asked a friend 
about prints. He said he had them done at Costco, it costs less per 
print than doing them himself and they have a better printer than he'd 
ever be able to afford. On top of that, they publish the ICC color 
profiles.


About a month ago, the local Costco closed down their photo center, so 
it's no longer a thirty minute wait and a 15 minute drive to pick up 
prints.  Fortunately, the Costco near my current jobsite still has 
photo printing.


There are, however, some advantages to printing myself, such as paper 
selection and being able to print any of my images, not just the 
family friendly ones.




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Happy Canada Day!

2019-07-01 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Greeting to all the Canadians on this list! (I believe my earlier post was
bounced by the list admin because it contained a graphic.)

My two favorite beach area, Maui and Cape May County, NJ, are both magnets
for Canadian vacationers seeking warmer waters.  I have always found them
to be friendlier, and more polite, that most Americans from the mainland
US.  I also found them gracious and welcoming in French Canada, especially
Quebec city.

Canadians are, I believe, the only nationality consistently mocked for
their modesty and politeness -- except, of course, on the ice.

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Re: robber fly with damselfly

2019-07-01 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Fascinating scene, with gorgeous detail!  Well captured and presented.

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On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 4:00 AM Henk Terhell  wrote:

> Last week I saw these two on  a stalk and I didn't realize immediately
> what was happening.
> When I tried to shoot closer they disappeared in one flight.
> Robber flies stab and inject toxins which paralyze their victims.
> https://flic.kr/p/2gjNrT5
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Re: Printer reccomendations

2019-07-01 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 01.07.19 um 00:33 schrieb Godfrey DiGiorgi:


The worst thing you can do to a quality printer is let it sit.


This appears to be the point. I've simply never printed enough.

I was quite happy with my old 1270 which never gave me any problem. I
still have a number of prints hanging here after well over 10 years -
behind glass - that still look fine. The trouble started when Epson
repaired my 1270 to death and offered me a discount on a 2400 which I
thought I couldn't refuse. Little did I know.

I've never even contemplated making money from my photography. I want it
to be fun and nothing else.

In the last 20 years, I've sold exactly two prints. The rest is hanging
on my own walls. Obviously not enough to keep a printer with
pigment-based inks happy.

Ralf

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Re: PSEO: From hiking in New Hampshire

2019-07-01 Thread collinb
Love that shot.
Excellent composition.
Now I'm imagining the added depth if shot with a chrome, even a 645 size.
*sigh*


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Re: robber fly with damselfly

2019-07-01 Thread Paul Stenquist
Fascinating! Nice shot.

Paul

> On Jul 1, 2019, at 3:59 AM, Henk Terhell  wrote:
> 
> Last week I saw these two on  a stalk and I didn't realize immediately what 
> was happening.
> When I tried to shoot closer they disappeared in one flight.
> Robber flies stab and inject toxins which paralyze their victims.
> https://flic.kr/p/2gjNrT5
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Last Call - July PUG

2019-07-01 Thread Brian W
G'day all

I'm going to shut this one down on Wednesday evening, 3 July, Sydney time.

Theme: Waterfalls

As usual submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Full Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

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robber fly with damselfly

2019-07-01 Thread Henk Terhell
Last week I saw these two on  a stalk and I didn't realize immediately 
what was happening.

When I tried to shoot closer they disappeared in one flight.
Robber flies stab and inject toxins which paralyze their victims.
https://flic.kr/p/2gjNrT5

Henk

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