Re: Astro photo notes

[Alan C]

Larry, thanks for the "tutorial". I will be getting my Astrotracer next 
week so it should help a lot.


Is it OK for me to post on another forum?

Alan C

On 25-Jul-20 11:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Now that Neowise is pretty much gone, I think I've learned a lot of what I 
needed a week and a half ago to photograph it. On the bright side, what I've 
learened so far will likely come in handy for future attempts at photographing 
astronomical events.

These notes are just a brain dump, I've almost certainly missed a lot, they 
need to be flushed out, but I bet that with the propensity for folks on the net 
to correct what they perceive as mistakes, just posting these notes should gain 
me mostly helpful advice back threefold.  I won't estimate how much unhelpful 
advice and snide comments I'm likely to get in addition.

The earlier/more you do prep the better


Get all gear together first
bring masking tape to lock focus
focus on jupiter or similar
Bring a second tripod to aim at focus point
bring spares
Most important is clarity of skies
speed of lens is almost more important than length
Best results are astrotracer at shortest period, wish it went faster than 10 
seconds
Ball heads suck.  What I really want is tripod head that adjusts with cranks.
Make sure all quick release mounts point in same direction
need a spotting scope or laser pointer mounted in hot shoe (but it has to be 
precise)
laser pointer would likely mess things up for other people
Really need real equatorial mount
No matter how well I do, the hubble or equivalent will do better go for artistic
Make a checklist: calibrate astrotracer, lock down tripod head, gear list, 
right focal length for mf lenses
Use skymaps or equivalent to scout places before hand.
Computational photography will continue to get better, but can't go back and 
reshoot, get darkfield and make raw images best
When using astrotracer, set external intervalometer at 1 second,
Need stacking software
Need slideshow/timelapse software
wide AoV of K-1 very useful, particularly for finding objects at same focal 
length



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Re: PESO: Chrysalis

[Alan C]

Lucky for that one. In nature it would probably become a tasty morsel. 
Did you perhaps re-hang it?


Alan C

On 26-Jul-20 12:44 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

One of the Monarch chrysalises that have developed from my larvae came
loose and fell to the floor of the butterfly cage, so I decided to use it
as a photo model:

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/7/25/chrysalis

K-5 IIs, smc FA 100 mm Macro F 2.8
Comments are invited and appreciated.

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Re: August PUG Countdown

[ann sanfedele]

On it... :-)

ann

On 7/25/2020 7:35 PM, Brian W wrote:

G'day all

It's that time again!

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Submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

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geso a few astropanos

[Larry Colen]

I've been going through my backlog of photos.  Staying up until 4 or 5 taking 
photos can disrupt my schedule on the following days.

This gallery is pretty much a scratchpad of astro panoramas I took over the 
past couple of nights.  A lot of them are just experiment with different lenses 
or settings.  It's hard to get final editing done on the laptop, even so I 
think I'll get a couple of keepers out of the set
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/albums/72157715238116993/



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Re: PESO: Chrysalis

[Larry Colen]

At first glance it looks like a hot pepper.

Looking more closely you can see the pattern of the wings inside, very cool.


> On Jul 25, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> One of the Monarch chrysalises that have developed from my larvae came
> loose and fell to the floor of the butterfly cage, so I decided to use it
> as a photo model:
> 
> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/7/25/chrysalis
> 
> K-5 IIs, smc FA 100 mm Macro F 2.8
> Comments are invited and appreciated.
> 
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PESO: Chrysalis

[Daniel J. Matyola]

One of the Monarch chrysalises that have developed from my larvae came
loose and fell to the floor of the butterfly cage, so I decided to use it
as a photo model:

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/7/25/chrysalis

K-5 IIs, smc FA 100 mm Macro F 2.8
Comments are invited and appreciated.

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Astro photo notes

[Larry Colen]

Now that Neowise is pretty much gone, I think I've learned a lot of what I 
needed a week and a half ago to photograph it. On the bright side, what I've 
learened so far will likely come in handy for future attempts at photographing 
astronomical events.  

These notes are just a brain dump, I've almost certainly missed a lot, they 
need to be flushed out, but I bet that with the propensity for folks on the net 
to correct what they perceive as mistakes, just posting these notes should gain 
me mostly helpful advice back threefold.  I won't estimate how much unhelpful 
advice and snide comments I'm likely to get in addition.

The earlier/more you do prep the better


Get all gear together first
bring masking tape to lock focus
focus on jupiter or similar
Bring a second tripod to aim at focus point
bring spares
Most important is clarity of skies
speed of lens is almost more important than length
Best results are astrotracer at shortest period, wish it went faster than 10 
seconds
Ball heads suck.  What I really want is tripod head that adjusts with cranks.
Make sure all quick release mounts point in same direction
need a spotting scope or laser pointer mounted in hot shoe (but it has to be 
precise)
laser pointer would likely mess things up for other people
Really need real equatorial mount
No matter how well I do, the hubble or equivalent will do better go for artistic
Make a checklist: calibrate astrotracer, lock down tripod head, gear list, 
right focal length for mf lenses
Use skymaps or equivalent to scout places before hand. 
Computational photography will continue to get better, but can't go back and 
reshoot, get darkfield and make raw images best
When using astrotracer, set external intervalometer at 1 second,
Need stacking software
Need slideshow/timelapse software
wide AoV of K-1 very useful, particularly for finding objects at same focal 
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Re: Peso: Studio with the D FA* 85/1.4 with a new link

[Bill]

On Sat., Jul. 25, 2020, 1:03 p.m. Larry Colen,  wrote:

> A carefully set up shot with the DFA 85 and pixel shift would probably
> give pixel peepers priapisms.
>

I'll get right on it.

Bill

>
> > On Jul 25, 2020, at 11:59 AM, John  wrote:
> >
> > That gallery comes through.
> >
> > On 7/24/2020 13:14:02, Bill wrote:
> >> On 7/24/2020 9:44 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The gallery is indeed not phone-friendly: In my phone's chrome,  I can
> see only the left half of the gallery on my screen, and it doesn't respond
> to tapping. Turning the phone into a landscape orientation allows the
> gallery to work (the thumbnails are than all aligned in one vertical line).
> >> I haven't written any HTML to speak of in a decade and a half, so this
> is really crude, but it should work better on a phone.
> >> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/portraits/L1/index.html
> >> I did nuke the Lightroom version, so this is now the active link.
> >> thanks all for looking and commenting. She is a little sweetheart, I'm
> very proud of her.
> >> bill
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ISO invariance asto experiment

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Last night after Neowise sank into the haze I spent some time playing with 
astrolandscapes on Mary's Peak (west of Corvallis).

I did an experiment with the sigma 35/1.4 on the K-3ii aimed at an interesting 
part of the milky way, astrotracer at 10 seconds, f/1.4, slow shutter NR 
(darkfield subtraction), bracketed ISO 400-12800, plus I tried a couple of HDRs 
in LR6.  Nominal exposure was at ISO6400, the rest were compensated to match, 
other than that everything was processed the same.  

Using the fluidr page to make it easier to compare:
https://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157715235343631

My takeaways from this are:
close up shots of the milkyway without any other sky for context just look messy
The sensor is impressively ISO invariant, at least when it comes to astro 
photography
I really need to get some good stacking software that runs on my macs
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Re: PESO: Crassula (London Pride)

[John]

Or a parade somewhere in London.

On 7/25/2020 12:14:16, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 25.07.20 um 18:04 schrieb Alan C:

My Crassula (London Pride) is doing very well this year.


Being totally clueless about horticulture, with that title I had
expected photos of a drag queen. :-)

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Re: Peso: Studio with the D FA* 85/1.4 with a new link

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A carefully set up shot with the DFA 85 and pixel shift would probably give 
pixel peepers priapisms.

> On Jul 25, 2020, at 11:59 AM, John  wrote:
> 
> That gallery comes through.
> 
> On 7/24/2020 13:14:02, Bill wrote:
>> On 7/24/2020 9:44 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>>> 
>>> The gallery is indeed not phone-friendly: In my phone's chrome,  I can see 
>>> only the left half of the gallery on my screen, and it doesn't respond to 
>>> tapping. Turning the phone into a landscape orientation allows the gallery 
>>> to work (the thumbnails are than all aligned in one vertical line).
>> I haven't written any HTML to speak of in a decade and a half, so this is 
>> really crude, but it should work better on a phone.
>> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/portraits/L1/index.html
>> I did nuke the Lightroom version, so this is now the active link.
>> thanks all for looking and commenting. She is a little sweetheart, I'm very 
>> proud of her.
>> bill
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Re: Peso: Studio with the D FA* 85/1.4 with a new link

[John]

That gallery comes through.

On 7/24/2020 13:14:02, Bill wrote:

On 7/24/2020 9:44 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



The gallery is indeed not phone-friendly: In my phone's chrome,  I can see 
only the left half of the gallery on my screen, and it doesn't respond to 
tapping. Turning the phone into a landscape orientation allows the gallery to 
work (the thumbnails are than all aligned in one vertical line).


I haven't written any HTML to speak of in a decade and a half, so this is really 
crude, but it should work better on a phone.


http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/portraits/L1/index.html

I did nuke the Lightroom version, so this is now the active link.

thanks all for looking and commenting. She is a little sweetheart, I'm very 
proud of her.


bill




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Re: PESO comet and barn

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> On Jul 25, 2020, at 11:53 AM, John  wrote:
> 
> If you had noticed it, you could have shifted your point of view to place the
> silo where it would block out that bright red light.


The trees lining the road to the right would have also blocked the red light, 
as well as the barn and the comet.


> 
> On 7/23/2020 18:37:09, Larry Colen wrote:
>> The funny thing is that I didn't even notice the barn last night when I was
>> taking photos.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/50145937277/in/album-72157715213304158/
>> 
>> If you aren't sufficiently bored of my comet photos the whole collection is
>> here https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157715157486131/
>> A couple slideshows I made of it setting are here: 
>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPrja6HxnwNAZtSn2uWIBxx6z-sUgCgSz
>> technically, the slideshows are rather rough, but still kind of fun.
>> In the ongoing series of my stupid mistakes, when the K-1 died and I put my
>> Rokinon 24/1.4 on the K-3 II, I neglected to reset the focal length from 135
>> to 24, so astrotracer made all of the photos with that lens worse rather than
>> better.  Oops.
>> 
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Re: lens repair

[Larry Colen]

> On Jul 25, 2020, at 11:45 AM, John  wrote:
> 
> On 7/22/2020 22:46:10, Dale H. Cook wrote:
>> On 7/22/2020 3:30 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>> There really seems to be a conspiracy to get us to discard anything that's 
>>> not "NEW".
>> Rant mode on ...
>> Heh, a lot of "new" stuff is designed to be discarded. On test equipment 
>> mailing lists and sites I see a lot of young whippersnappers who don't 
>> understand why they can't get service information for their late-model 
>> digital oscilloscopes, and who don't understand that those late-model 
>> 'scopes were never intended for field repair. If those 'scopes break you pay 
>> big bux for the factory to fix them ---IF--- the factory still supports 
>> them. If they are not supported you throw them away and replace them. Those 
>> young whippersnappers look down their noses at my analog Tektronix and HP 
>> 'scopes, but my analog 'scopes do what I need them to do, they do it very 
>> well, and if they break I can fix them. I use a lot of vintage Tek, HP, and 
>> GR instruments for work and hobbies. I'm just an old guy who likes stuff 
>> that can be fixed. That, of course, doesn't stop me from buying new to get 
>> capabilities that I want, thus the K-70 (and I don't drive a '60s car).
>> Rant mode off ...
> 
> The problem is you can't find anyone to repair the old stuff that *WAS* made 
> to be repaired if you don't know how to repair it yourself.

That's a side effect of the detail that it costs a lot more to make something 
so that it can be repaired, and even more to supoort a repair channel with 
spare parts. So if they made things so that they can be repaired, they would 
have to charge twice as much, and most people just look at the initial cost 
when they buy something.  That is exacerbated by the fact that with electronics 
if something lasts five years, the new tech will cost half as much for twice 
the performance.

If my 18-250 just needs an adjustment, by the time everything is set up and 
torn down that's probably close to an hour of technician time, not to mention 
shipping/receiving, and other paperwork, and to make money a business needs to 
charge at least $200/hour for professional time.  For $200 I could get a good 
used newer generation of the same model at KEH.





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Re: PESO comet and barn

[John]

If you had noticed it, you could have shifted your point of view to place the
silo where it would block out that bright red light.

On 7/23/2020 18:37:09, Larry Colen wrote:

The funny thing is that I didn't even notice the barn last night when I was
taking photos.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/50145937277/in/album-72157715213304158/

 If you aren't sufficiently bored of my comet photos the whole collection is
here https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157715157486131/

A couple slideshows I made of it setting are here: 
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPrja6HxnwNAZtSn2uWIBxx6z-sUgCgSz


technically, the slideshows are rather rough, but still kind of fun.

In the ongoing series of my stupid mistakes, when the K-1 died and I put my
Rokinon 24/1.4 on the K-3 II, I neglected to reset the focal length from 135
to 24, so astrotracer made all of the photos with that lens worse rather than
better.  Oops.





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Re: lens repair

[John]

On 7/22/2020 22:46:10, Dale H. Cook wrote:

On 7/22/2020 3:30 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There really seems to be a conspiracy to get us to discard anything that's not 
"NEW".


Rant mode on ...

Heh, a lot of "new" stuff is designed to be discarded. On test equipment mailing 
lists and sites I see a lot of young whippersnappers who don't understand why 
they can't get service information for their late-model digital oscilloscopes, 
and who don't understand that those late-model 'scopes were never intended for 
field repair. If those 'scopes break you pay big bux for the factory to fix them 
---IF--- the factory still supports them. If they are not supported you throw 
them away and replace them. Those young whippersnappers look down their noses at 
my analog Tektronix and HP 'scopes, but my analog 'scopes do what I need them to 
do, they do it very well, and if they break I can fix them. I use a lot of 
vintage Tek, HP, and GR instruments for work and hobbies. I'm just an old guy 
who likes stuff that can be fixed. That, of course, doesn't stop me from buying 
new to get capabilities that I want, thus the K-70 (and I don't drive a '60s car).


Rant mode off ...


The problem is you can't find anyone to repair the old stuff that *WAS* made to 
be repaired if you don't know how to repair it yourself.


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Re: OT: Comet image

[John]

I looked to see if maybe he was on Flickr, but there appear to be 113 "Daniel 
Sullivan's on Flickr and I'm not going to browse through all of them to find out 
if he's one of them.


That actually sounds like something Larry could do (and probably should).


On 7/22/2020 19:35:31, Bill wrote:

On 7/22/2020 8:59 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

A photographer on Maui I follow on FaceBook has posted an interesting image
of the comet:

https://www.facebook.com/danielsullivanphoto/photos/a.237556692957789/3227289350651160/?type=3 



Pity it's on crackcrook.

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Re: OT: Comet image

[John]

Not having a fakebook account, I can't see what time he took the photo, but he 
posted it at 2:29 AM on the 22nd ... which suggests slightly after sunset on the 
21st and according to the Photographers Ephemeris, he would have had a 2.94% 
Crescent Moon +8.67° above the horizon at 7:43 pm (19:43) local time.


The sun would have been -8.34° below the horizon.

I think it's Photoshop too, but it could have been done in camera with a high 
enough ISO & the star trails look like a fairly long exposure.


On 7/22/2020 15:40:49, Toine wrote:

I'm sure he or she had fun creating it. There's a small crescent moon
visible in the top left corner.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 20:09, Postmaster  wrote:


Toine wrote:


photoshop spotted! The light on the turtle comes from the back. Looks like
a wide angle shot which renders the comet smaller as it is now. And the
sunset is too bright for stars to appear in the red. Not to mention the
comet as bright as a setting sun.

Nice image nevertheless


Yep. Photoshop composite.


Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:


A photographer on Maui I follow on FaceBook has posted an interesting

image

of the comet:



https://www.facebook.com/danielsullivanphoto/photos/a.237556692957789/3227289350651160/?type=3





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Re: PESO: Crassula (London Pride)

[Steve Cottrell]

On 25/7/20, Ralf R Radermacher, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Being totally clueless about horticulture, with that title I had
>expected photos of a drag queen. :-)

Or a decent pint of Fuller's ;-)




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Re: Shutter problem

[John]

The screen is too small for me to read it on the phone.

I'm pretty sure I have the PDF on my laptop, but the paper manual fits inside 
the camera bag, so I *always* have it handy. And I'm pretty sure the K-1 paper 
manual is the complete manual.


On 7/22/2020 12:19:11, Dale H. Cook wrote:

On 7/22/2020 10:44 AM, John wrote:

Fumbling with the camera in the dark I'd pressed the wrong button. I never 
would have figured it out if I didn't have the manual with me.


After I purchased my K-70 I discovered that the printed manual that was shipped 
with the camera is only a subset of the PDF manual. I now have the latter on my 
smartphone and it has saved my bacon on many occasions.



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Re: PESO: Crassula (London Pride)

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 25.07.20 um 18:04 schrieb Alan C:

My Crassula (London Pride) is doing very well this year.


Being totally clueless about horticulture, with that title I had
expected photos of a drag queen. :-)

Ralf

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PESO: Crassula (London Pride)

[Alan C]

My Crassula (London Pride) is doing very well this year.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/50151107313/ 



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