OT: Rotties. Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On 19/07/2013 1:20 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Bill, Thanks, I appreciate your insight and will forward on to my son Bill. His Golden really likes people and kids in particular. My daughter-in-law is a special ed teacher who had 'behavior disorders' classrooms until this year. She is probably better with the dog than he is, certainly better reading the dog. But all good advice and insights from you. A few more things about the breed. They can be quite reticent around strangers, which is a huge temperament difference from what you would be getting from a Golden. I think with Rotties, it is really important to meet the parents and see if you like them, as the apple tends to fall quite near the tree with dogs. They tend to be accepting of people that their people are accepting of, but an approaching stranger who his person doesn't know may not be well received. Lots of socialization early on is really important with Rotties. One of the problems that Jester plagues us with is because he didn't get a lot of early socialization. A good way to get your Rottie to accept a person faster is to take the person's hand in yours and take it down to the dog's nose, showing the dog your hand, then turning it to the other person's hand, and then hold both hands in front of the dog's nose for a few moments. The dog gets both scents and will tend to discriminate the scent of the other person as a good thing. You might find this interesting. Apparently there is a link between black tan coloration and what is called resource protectiveness, which is what gives breeds like Rotties, Dobermans, GSDs and other breeds their advantage as guards. A friend of mine has a black and tan male Chihuahua. The dog is an excellent guard, given that he weighs all of 6 pounds. I stay out of his way, I'm not part of his Clan, and he attacks and bites pretty much anyone who isn't family. Really, he is an extreme example of black and tan temperament. All three of my Rotties have been very good with kids. The breeder that Jester came from had 5 Rotties living with three young kids in a not overly large house. When we did birthday party shows with the kennel club, I would often find a little kid to give Leica to for a while. It didn't matter how badly the child gave commands, Leica would do what she was told to do. As long as you could coach the kid into saying Leica, Heel at the beginning, it didn't matter what happened after that. She had been told to heel, and that was what she did until told otherwise. She would obey commands that were inadvertently said by the television. One time at a class I was in, the instructor told us to teach our dogs a new trick for the next class. The next morning as I was getting dressed, Leica was sitting beside me, and I took a sock and put it over her nose. There was my trick. A few times of saying Leica, Sock, and putting the sock on her nose, and she was pushing her nose into the opened sock. After that, it was a simple case of combining it into a recall, and the next week, I sat my dog on one side of the room, walked across the room, held a sock open and called Leica, Sock. She dutifully came across the room, stuck her nose in the sock and sat in front of me with a really put upon expression. It was the best trick ever. Soft female dogs are really easy to get along with. best bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
20. juli 2013 kl. 08:40 skrev David Mann dmann...@gmail.com: On Jul 20, 2013, at 4:05 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg Love it. I suppose I should take my own advice and post one too. My wife took this on her iPhone when she was away for a conference in May... http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/636/#peso I´ve got a calm cat! http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/Stuff/files/page18-1005-full.html DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
I think that would more than do if you could get it to hold a flower in it's mouth. On 7/19/2013 11:52 AM, Bill wrote: On 18/07/2013 11:13 PM, David Mann wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave I don't have any cat pictures. Would a puppy do? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/rottiepuppy.html bill -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
A captivating look, find myself staring for quite a while. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of DagT Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 3:40 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) 20. juli 2013 kl. 08:40 skrev David Mann dmann...@gmail.com: On Jul 20, 2013, at 4:05 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg Love it. I suppose I should take my own advice and post one too. My wife took this on her iPhone when she was away for a conference in May... http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/636/#peso I´ve got a calm cat! http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/Stuff/files/page18-1005-full.html DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 4:42 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2013-07-19 5:36 Mark Roberts wrote Every email list I've ever been on has had reply-to-list as the default. Why would you participate in a mailing list and not want replies sent to the... list? Makes no sense. this is actually an ancient debate; and even though in email years i'm pretty ancient, i fall on the side of reply-to-list just to get it all out so we don't have to repeat anything: http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/reply-to-useful.html http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html and here's one my cats: https://www.dropbox.com/s/p65syor08zc9pfv/k%27lesha.jpg I really like the look of this, Steve. A great stealthy cat moment. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 3:40 AM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote: 20. juli 2013 kl. 08:40 skrev David Mann dmann...@gmail.com: On Jul 20, 2013, at 4:05 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg Love it. I suppose I should take my own advice and post one too. My wife took this on her iPhone when she was away for a conference in May... http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/636/#peso I´ve got a calm cat! http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/Stuff/files/page18-1005-full.html Calm cat is very beautiful, Dag. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 1:40 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 20, 2013, at 4:05 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg Love it. I suppose I should take my own advice and post one too. My wife took this on her iPhone when she was away for a conference in May... http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/636/#peso That long shadow is great, Dave. Love the shot. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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lovely good for the eyelash sharpness test too ann On 7/20/2013 03:40, DagT wrote: 20. juli 2013 kl. 08:40 skrev David Mann dmann...@gmail.com: On Jul 20, 2013, at 4:05 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg Love it. I suppose I should take my own advice and post one too. My wife took this on her iPhone when she was away for a conference in May... http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/636/#peso I´ve got a calm cat! http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/Stuff/files/page18-1005-full.html DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, , WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Is Acid Trip one of the K-01's built-in processing features? announcer-voice Now you can experience the world like Pentax marketing people do! / I do like the flowers. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace tranquility of the group I offer this small geso They were mostly taken with K-01 including the two that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out! Whoops did I forget a link? http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157634710613324/ pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:05:05 -0500 From: Charles Robinsoncharl...@visi.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Message-ID:3ed9bd6f-5852-45f7-be9c-4e9f29bb2...@visi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Manndmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xaviuszosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something?:) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You really like that test, don't you Ann? :-) Hey, it beats brick walls by a long ways. Off to do more eyelash tests this morning ... On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: lovely good for the eyelash sharpness test too ann On 7/20/2013 03:40, DagT wrote: 20. juli 2013 kl. 08:40 skrev David Mann dmann...@gmail.com: On Jul 20, 2013, at 4:05 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg Love it. I suppose I should take my own advice and post one too. My wife took this on her iPhone when she was away for a conference in May... http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/636/#peso I´ve got a calm cat! http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/Stuff/files/page18-1005-full.html DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
I'll be there, Pat is resting today Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:09 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) You really like that test, don't you Ann? :-) Hey, it beats brick walls by a long ways. Off to do more eyelash tests this morning ... On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: lovely good for the eyelash sharpness test too ann On 7/20/2013 03:40, DagT wrote: 20. juli 2013 kl. 08:40 skrev David Mann dmann...@gmail.com: On Jul 20, 2013, at 4:05 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg Love it. I suppose I should take my own advice and post one too. My wife took this on her iPhone when she was away for a conference in May... http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/636/#peso I´ve got a calm cat! http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/Stuff/files/page18-1005-full.html DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Point of clarification! Are Acid Trip the ones that look like what you can do to Polaroid 600 print with a pencil eraser or the ones that aren't tulips with the silk scarf laying in amongst them? I apologize if this is a duplicate post. I'm getting the Yahoo An error occurred while sending mail message again and my work around is still a bit of a kludge. Plus, I should know better than to try to do email before I've had my morning coffee. On 7/20/2013 9:06 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Is Acid Trip one of the K-01's built-in processing features? announcer-voice Now you can experience the world like Pentax marketing people do! / I do like the flowers. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace tranquility of the group I offer this small geso They were mostly taken with K-01 including the two that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out! Whoops did I forget a link? http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157634710613324/ pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:05:05 -0500 From: Charles Robinsoncharl...@visi.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Message-ID:3ed9bd6f-5852-45f7-be9c-4e9f29bb2...@visi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Manndmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xaviuszosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something?:) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On 19/07/2013 2:10 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: A Troll - we haven't seen one for a while. Maybe we should have some fun with him. To late for me, he's hit the list of people who I don't see at all. One of my strategies for staying polite is to exclude people who annoy me. bill On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com So go fuck yourself. No one here needs you. bill Hey, it's like I asked him before... if he was stupid or just pretending to be. Setting up a list with the default not being 'reply to list' is self-defeating. You'll notice how he often appears to deliberately misunderstand things and then pontificates. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. 20 years is getting up there in cat years.. We had 2 Abyssinians that lived to be 17 or 18 years and were told by the vet that their age was unusually long. Other cats we've had didn't live nearly that long. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: David Mann dmann...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body,WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) On Jul 20, 2013, at 4:05 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg Love it. I suppose I should take my own advice and post one too. My wife took this on her iPhone when she was away for a conference in May... http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/636/#peso Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Sure why not, with modern technology it could be made more robust and dare I say digital. Which would make it more expensive, but what's a little expense... On 7/19/2013 12:48 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I already posted Birthday Girl Ashley's so I won't add more cat photos.. But we could always get back to - what was it now.., the Aperture simulator? ann On 7/19/2013 12:36, Gerrit Visser wrote: That is an excellent alternative to the other spam. He has ind of a 'I need a full frame toy, not this thing' look. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:53 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) On 18/07/2013 11:13 PM, David Mann wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave I don't have any cat pictures. Would a puppy do? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/rottiepuppy.html bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
I'll oblige, anything to change the subject :-) http://photo.psgv.ca/chillin/ My wife took the photo with her K100D. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:13 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Bill wrote: On 18/07/2013 8:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of affairs as that's the way we've always done it. If people actually do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for change. (And since only one person has specifically expressed a preference for switching off reply-to list, I'll shut up except for addressing any other wrong comments.) Dude, the beauty of the PDML is that it is a virtual pub, with the added beauty that one can participate in several different conversations at the same time, and can take a conversation off list if it goes off topic. Changing the default to reply to person rather than reply to list would result in confusion and suicide. Why can't you just leave well enough alone? Every email list I've ever been on has had reply-to-list as the default. Why would you participate in a mailing list and not want replies sent to the... list? Makes no sense. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Now that's a chill cat. :) On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bill wrote: On 18/07/2013 8:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of affairs as that's the way we've always done it. If people actually do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for change. (And since only one person has specifically expressed a preference for switching off reply-to list, I'll shut up except for addressing any other wrong comments.) Dude, the beauty of the PDML is that it is a virtual pub, with the added beauty that one can participate in several different conversations at the same time, and can take a conversation off list if it goes off topic. Changing the default to reply to person rather than reply to list would result in confusion and suicide. Why can't you just leave well enough alone? Every email list I've ever been on has had reply-to-list as the default. Why would you participate in a mailing list and not want replies sent to the... list? Makes no sense. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thank you Zos. We came home from our cruise to find him a full blown diabetic. After 3 months, many $ and insulin injections later, he is now almost recovered (cats are unique that way). But as a result he gets even more spoiled than before. That used to be my lounge chair on the balcony :-) gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Zos Xavius Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:49 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Now that's a chill cat. :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
She did a great job, Gerrit. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com wrote: I'll oblige, anything to change the subject :-) http://photo.psgv.ca/chillin/ My wife took the photo with her K100D. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:13 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
This is my cat Miss Kitty... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3731137000741set=a.1858581428022.2094779.1345484924type=3theater Not taken with a pentax though. This was the last picture I took with my good old Panny FZ-35 before I sold it to a friend for a song. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: It was never really your lounger, Gerrit. You were merely allowed a term lease on it which has now expired. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Zos. We came home from our cruise to find him a full blown diabetic. After 3 months, many $ and insulin injections later, he is now almost recovered (cats are unique that way). But as a result he gets even more spoiled than before. That used to be my lounge chair on the balcony :-) gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Zos Xavius Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:49 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Now that's a chill cat. :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
It was never really your lounger, Gerrit. You were merely allowed a term lease on it which has now expired. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Zos. We came home from our cruise to find him a full blown diabetic. After 3 months, many $ and insulin injections later, he is now almost recovered (cats are unique that way). But as a result he gets even more spoiled than before. That used to be my lounge chair on the balcony :-) gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Zos Xavius Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:49 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Now that's a chill cat. :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Good capture of the cat attitude of 'when are you going to spoil me some more' Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Zos Xavius Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 8:38 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) This is my cat Miss Kitty... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3731137000741set=a.1858581428022.20 94779.1345484924type=3theater Not taken with a pentax though. This was the last picture I took with my good old Panny FZ-35 before I sold it to a friend for a song. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: It was never really your lounger, Gerrit. You were merely allowed a term lease on it which has now expired. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Zos. We came home from our cruise to find him a full blown diabetic. After 3 months, many $ and insulin injections later, he is now almost recovered (cats are unique that way). But as a result he gets even more spoiled than before. That used to be my lounge chair on the balcony :-) gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Zos Xavius Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:49 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Now that's a chill cat. :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013, Mark Roberts wrote: Every email list I've ever been on has had reply-to-list as the default. Why would you participate in a mailing list and not want replies sent to the... list? Makes no sense. Interesting -- even before the various lists I've been started changing their policies around a decade ago, I'd say that at least half the lists I've been on were not reply-to list. As for why, aside from the issue about boo-boos with intended private messages, it's a way to control list volume. Another reason is that some mailing lists have restricted access and anyone not on the list participating in the conversation needs to be cc'd, and the Reply-To header mucks with that. Finally, some wankers have religion about Holy Computers and believe that Reply-To is a sacrilege; I'm not in that category. ;-) http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful.html -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On 7/19/2013 01:13, David Mann wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave MARK! (I'd be sure Mark had read this, ecept he is editing his vacation photos :-) ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Look how sharp the cat hairs are on the lounger, too! sweet photo ann On 7/19/2013 08:18, Bruce Walker wrote: It was never really your lounger, Gerrit. You were merely allowed a term lease on it which has now expired. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Zos. We came home from our cruise to find him a full blown diabetic. After 3 months, many $ and insulin injections later, he is now almost recovered (cats are unique that way). But as a result he gets even more spoiled than before. That used to be my lounge chair on the balcony :-) gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Zos Xavius Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:49 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Now that's a chill cat. :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
That cat has attitude! love it - ann On 7/19/2013 08:38, Zos Xavius wrote: This is my cat Miss Kitty... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3731137000741set=a.1858581428022.2094779.1345484924type=3theater Not taken with a pentax though. This was the last picture I took with my good old Panny FZ-35 before I sold it to a friend for a song. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: It was never really your lounger, Gerrit. You were merely allowed a term lease on it which has now expired. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Zos. We came home from our cruise to find him a full blown diabetic. After 3 months, many $ and insulin injections later, he is now almost recovered (cats are unique that way). But as a result he gets even more spoiled than before. That used to be my lounge chair on the balcony :-) gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Zos Xavius Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:49 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Now that's a chill cat. :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Aahz Maruch wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013, Mark Roberts wrote: Every email list I've ever been on has had reply-to-list as the default. Why would you participate in a mailing list and not want replies sent to the... list? Makes no sense. Interesting -- even before the various lists I've been started changing their policies around a decade ago, I'd say that at least half the lists I've been on were not reply-to list. As for why, aside from the issue about boo-boos with intended private messages, it's a way to control list volume. Another reason is that some mailing lists have restricted access and anyone not on the list participating in the conversation needs to be cc'd, and the Reply-To header mucks with that. I can see how one might accidentally slip and send a private message to the list been there, done that but if I compare the ratio of private emails to public (entire list) emails I've sent in reply to PDML messages it's well over 100:1. Signing on to an email list and then replying to individuals as standard practice seems like walking onto a stage before an audience of 1000 people and then shutting off the microphone to the P.A. and making a cell phone call to a single audience member. It might be useful on occasion but it's a bizarre default setting. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Signing on to an email list and then replying to individuals as standard practice seems like walking onto a stage before an audience of 1000 people and then shutting off the microphone to the P.A. and making a cell phone call to a single audience member. It might be useful on occasion but it's a bizarre default setting. Something to consider for next years NFW Dave -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Some would be a bigger hit by so doing. Jack - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Aahz Maruch wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013, Mark Roberts wrote: Every email list I've ever been on has had reply-to-list as the default. Why would you participate in a mailing list and not want replies sent to the... list? Makes no sense. Interesting -- even before the various lists I've been started changing their policies around a decade ago, I'd say that at least half the lists I've been on were not reply-to list. As for why, aside from the issue about boo-boos with intended private messages, it's a way to control list volume. Another reason is that some mailing lists have restricted access and anyone not on the list participating in the conversation needs to be cc'd, and the Reply-To header mucks with that. I can see how one might accidentally slip and send a private message to the list been there, done that but if I compare the ratio of private emails to public (entire list) emails I've sent in reply to PDML messages it's well over 100:1. Signing on to an email list and then replying to individuals as standard practice seems like walking onto a stage before an audience of 1000 people and then shutting off the microphone to the P.A. and making a cell phone call to a single audience member. It might be useful on occasion but it's a bizarre default setting. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia http://www.robertstech.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. – – -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On 18/07/2013 9:49 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013, Bill wrote: On 18/07/2013 8:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of affairs as that's the way we've always done it. If people actually do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for change. (And since only one person has specifically expressed a preference for switching off reply-to list, I'll shut up except for addressing any other wrong comments.) Dude, the beauty of the PDML is that it is a virtual pub, with the added beauty that one can participate in several different conversations at the same time, and can take a conversation off list if it goes off topic. Changing the default to reply to person rather than reply to list would result in confusion and suicide. Why can't you just leave well enough alone? Really? That explains why my other lists have died, then. /sarcasm So go fuck yourself. No one here needs you. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Very cute. My son's 130 pound Golden Retriever is almost 10 and slowed by the heat and age. It will be a sad day when he passes, and they'll need another dog. It will be hard to find one with as much personality and friendly disposition. Maybe another Golden, but not so big next time. This one's a giant! I know you train dogs and favor Rotties. I wonder about disposition with their fearsome reputation. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/07/2013 11:13 PM, David Mann wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave I don't have any cat pictures. Would a puppy do? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/rottiepuppy.html bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
That is an excellent alternative to the other spam. He has ind of a 'I need a full frame toy, not this thing' look. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:53 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) On 18/07/2013 11:13 PM, David Mann wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave I don't have any cat pictures. Would a puppy do? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/rottiepuppy.html bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:49:21PM -0700, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013, Bill wrote: On 18/07/2013 8:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of affairs as that's the way we've always done it. If people actually do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for change. (And since only one person has specifically expressed a preference for switching off reply-to list, I'll shut up except for addressing any other wrong comments.) Dude, the beauty of the PDML is that it is a virtual pub, with the added beauty that one can participate in several different conversations at the same time, and can take a conversation off list if it goes off topic. Changing the default to reply to person rather than reply to list would result in confusion and suicide. Why can't you just leave well enough alone? Really? That explains why my other lists have died, then. /sarcasm You're not making yourself any friends here, you know. A lot of this people here have been part of this list for many years. The way the list works now has served us well for all that time, and we really don't need somebody telling us how we could do it better, for some particular personal viewpoint of what better might be. Reply goes to the list; MIME attachements get the message rejected. (and if your inbox fills up, you get your list account suspended). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On 7/19/2013 12:48 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I already posted Birthday Girl Ashley's so I won't add more cat photos.. But we could always get back to - what was it now.., the Aperture simulator? ann http://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/asset-viewer/the-scream/eQFdRTFKDtVQ1A?hl=enprojectId=art-project On 7/19/2013 12:36, Gerrit Visser wrote: That is an excellent alternative to the other spam. He has ind of a 'I need a full frame toy, not this thing' look. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:53 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) On 18/07/2013 11:13 PM, David Mann wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave I don't have any cat pictures. Would a puppy do? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/rottiepuppy.html bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
I already posted Birthday Girl Ashley's so I won't add more cat photos.. But we could always get back to - what was it now.., the Aperture simulator? ann On 7/19/2013 12:36, Gerrit Visser wrote: That is an excellent alternative to the other spam. He has ind of a 'I need a full frame toy, not this thing' look. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:53 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) On 18/07/2013 11:13 PM, David Mann wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave I don't have any cat pictures. Would a puppy do? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/rottiepuppy.html bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
aww ann On 7/19/2013 12:05, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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*gets popcorn* On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Amen! On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/07/2013 9:49 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013, Bill wrote: On 18/07/2013 8:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of affairs as that's the way we've always done it. If people actually do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for change. (And since only one person has specifically expressed a preference for switching off reply-to list, I'll shut up except for addressing any other wrong comments.) Dude, the beauty of the PDML is that it is a virtual pub, with the added beauty that one can participate in several different conversations at the same time, and can take a conversation off list if it goes off topic. Changing the default to reply to person rather than reply to list would result in confusion and suicide. Why can't you just leave well enough alone? Really? That explains why my other lists have died, then. /sarcasm So go fuck yourself. No one here needs you. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cool kitty. You ought to submit that one to The Online Photographer. On 7/19/2013 5:41 AM, Gerrit Visser wrote: I'll oblige, anything to change the subject :-) http://photo.psgv.ca/chillin/ My wife took the photo with her K100D. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:13 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 19/07/2013 10:12 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Very cute. My son's 130 pound Golden Retriever is almost 10 and slowed by the heat and age. It will be a sad day when he passes, and they'll need another dog. It will be hard to find one with as much personality and friendly disposition. Maybe another Golden, but not so big next time. This one's a giant! Goldens can be very big dogs. Fortunately, they are also very soft tempered. I know you train dogs and favor Rotties. I wonder about disposition with their fearsome reputation. Intact male Rotties need a very strong willed owner, as they are generally a pretty dominant breed. Having said that, Jester is a dominant asshole, high drive dog from a high drive litter. As such, he is somewhat of a special case in this regard. At he same time, he doesn't have a mean bone in his body, he just wants his own way, and is prepared to do whatever doggie thing he needs to do to get it. A weak willed owner who is in the habit of letting the dog make his own decisions would be what we call a fail of an owner. Our last male (Rollei) had a very gentle disposition, was relatively willing to please, and for the most part, was on the same page as we were. Most Rotties that get in trouble do so because they have idiot owners who don't understand the level of engagement they have to have with their dog. When I am out with my dog, that is all I am doing. I'm not talking on my cell phone, or texting or really doing much of anything other than being with my dog. This is quite different from when I had Leica. I could trust her to not cause anyone any problems. Jester, OTOH, is quite dog aggressive (Bella, our Belgian Shepherd is worse), and will also get very aggressive with anyone who he thinks might be a threat. Hold his gaze for more than a few seconds at your own risk. As I said, he is a special case, a very exceptional dog, but not one for a weak handler, and honestly, not really a good dog in public. Investigate your breeder carefully, Rotties, while not as prone to genetic problems as Goldens, are prone to a few cancers, as well as elbow and hip dysplasia, and also, take the time to investigate your puppy's lineage. Had I done this prior to getting Jester, I would have asked for a different dog than the high drive male pick. After having him for a few months, I finally got around to tracing his lineage. Amazingly, I was able to trace his sire's side back to 1912 or thereabouts. Every male on his sire's side had a Schutzhund title, and his line had been used for all sorts of guard work in Germany, including guarding POW and concentration camps during WWII. He's a tough dog from a line of tough dogs. A good starter Rottweiler would be a soft tempered female. Leica (my first Rottie) was such a dog. Very smart, wanted to please, and didn't like to displease. As such, she was easy to train, and never made the same mistake twice (and only made a few mistakes in her nearly 11 year life). I would recommend the breed to anyone with the following caveats: *If you are not an experienced owner, pick the softest female you can from the litter. You will end up with a dog that acts sort of like a Labrador, except calmer and with a lot more brains. *If you are an experienced owner, but haven't owned a guard breed before, a soft male would be an OK choice, be prepared to put the puppy well and truly in it's place the first time it steps out of line and you will likely never have a problem again. *If you are an experienced owner, with extensive experience with guard breeds, then by all means, choose a drivey male. They are a lot of fun, and the rewards are tremendous, but they have to be handled with care around people who aren't experienced with dogs. They will push their boundaries, so it is very important to be ready, willing and ABLE to put the dog in his place at a moment's notice. In all cases, Rotties need some sort of job to keep them occupied. They are a very smart breed, and they get bored easily. Like all bored dogs, they can get destructive. Fortunately, they are quite easy to keep engaged. They like obedience work, and this should be started the same day that they come into the house. Jester carries my camera gear in a backpack when we are out. It gives him something to concentrate on, and it keeps him settled. Don't just take your dog for a walk, do some formal obedience training for a few minutes, and then walk for a while, and then do some more obedience. Find out what sort of reward system makes your dog happy, and use it. Leica was good with a tickle on the ear and being told she done good. Jester, being a lot drivier, needs more engagement from me. A nice game of tug turns his crank quite nicely, and keeps him very happy, and very willing to work. If you aren't physically up to the task of playing tug with a 125 or so pound dog with a lot of determination, a high drive male might not be the best choice,
RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
A wonderful pose, playful. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Charles Robinson Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:05 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 18/07/2013 11:13 PM, David Mann wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave I don't have any cat pictures. Would a puppy do? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/rottiepuppy.html bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nice! A lot better than cat images, that's for certain! G Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace tranquility of the group I offer this small geso They were mostly taken with K-01 including the two that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out! Whoops did I forget a link? http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157634710613324/ pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:05:05 -0500 From: Charles Robinsoncharl...@visi.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Message-ID:3ed9bd6f-5852-45f7-be9c-4e9f29bb2...@visi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Manndmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xaviuszosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something?:) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bill, Thanks, I appreciate your insight and will forward on to my son Bill. His Golden really likes people and kids in particular. My daughter-in-law is a special ed teacher who had 'behavior disorders' classrooms until this year. She is probably better with the dog than he is, certainly better reading the dog. But all good advice and insights from you. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/07/2013 10:12 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Very cute. My son's 130 pound Golden Retriever is almost 10 and slowed by the heat and age. It will be a sad day when he passes, and they'll need another dog. It will be hard to find one with as much personality and friendly disposition. Maybe another Golden, but not so big next time. This one's a giant! Goldens can be very big dogs. Fortunately, they are also very soft tempered. I know you train dogs and favor Rotties. I wonder about disposition with their fearsome reputation. Intact male Rotties need a very strong willed owner, as they are generally a pretty dominant breed. Having said that, Jester is a dominant asshole, high drive dog from a high drive litter. As such, he is somewhat of a special case in this regard. At he same time, he doesn't have a mean bone in his body, he just wants his own way, and is prepared to do whatever doggie thing he needs to do to get it. A weak willed owner who is in the habit of letting the dog make his own decisions would be what we call a fail of an owner. Our last male (Rollei) had a very gentle disposition, was relatively willing to please, and for the most part, was on the same page as we were. Most Rotties that get in trouble do so because they have idiot owners who don't understand the level of engagement they have to have with their dog. When I am out with my dog, that is all I am doing. I'm not talking on my cell phone, or texting or really doing much of anything other than being with my dog. This is quite different from when I had Leica. I could trust her to not cause anyone any problems. Jester, OTOH, is quite dog aggressive (Bella, our Belgian Shepherd is worse), and will also get very aggressive with anyone who he thinks might be a threat. Hold his gaze for more than a few seconds at your own risk. As I said, he is a special case, a very exceptional dog, but not one for a weak handler, and honestly, not really a good dog in public. Investigate your breeder carefully, Rotties, while not as prone to genetic problems as Goldens, are prone to a few cancers, as well as elbow and hip dysplasia, and also, take the time to investigate your puppy's lineage. Had I done this prior to getting Jester, I would have asked for a different dog than the high drive male pick. After having him for a few months, I finally got around to tracing his lineage. Amazingly, I was able to trace his sire's side back to 1912 or thereabouts. Every male on his sire's side had a Schutzhund title, and his line had been used for all sorts of guard work in Germany, including guarding POW and concentration camps during WWII. He's a tough dog from a line of tough dogs. A good starter Rottweiler would be a soft tempered female. Leica (my first Rottie) was such a dog. Very smart, wanted to please, and didn't like to displease. As such, she was easy to train, and never made the same mistake twice (and only made a few mistakes in her nearly 11 year life). I would recommend the breed to anyone with the following caveats: *If you are not an experienced owner, pick the softest female you can from the litter. You will end up with a dog that acts sort of like a Labrador, except calmer and with a lot more brains. *If you are an experienced owner, but haven't owned a guard breed before, a soft male would be an OK choice, be prepared to put the puppy well and truly in it's place the first time it steps out of line and you will likely never have a problem again. *If you are an experienced owner, with extensive experience with guard breeds, then by all means, choose a drivey male. They are a lot of fun, and the rewards are tremendous, but they have to be handled with care around people who aren't experienced with dogs. They will push their boundaries, so it is very important to be ready, willing and ABLE to put the dog in his place at a moment's notice. In all cases, Rotties need some sort of job to keep them occupied. They are a very smart breed, and they get bored easily. Like all bored dogs, they can get destructive. Fortunately, they are quite easy to keep engaged. They like obedience work, and this should be started the same day that they come into the house. Jester carries my camera gear in a backpack when we are out. It gives him something to concentrate on, and it keeps him settled. Don't just take your dog for a walk, do some formal obedience training for a few minutes, and then walk for a while, and then do some more obedience. Find
RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
thank you, I will check that out. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:04 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Cool kitty. You ought to submit that one to The Online Photographer. On 7/19/2013 5:41 AM, Gerrit Visser wrote: I'll oblige, anything to change the subject :-) http://photo.psgv.ca/chillin/ My wife took the photo with her K100D. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:13 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body,, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace tranquility of the group I offer this small geso They were mostly taken with K-01 including the two that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out! Whoops did I forget a link? http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157634710613324/ pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:05:05 -0500 From: Charles Robinsoncharl...@visi.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Message-ID:3ed9bd6f-5852-45f7-be9c-4e9f29bb2...@visi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Manndmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xaviuszosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something?:) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ha! Oh no Dan if I agree with better, half the group will hate me. Glad you liked. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 8 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:19:55 -0400 From: Daniel J. Matyoladanmaty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, , WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Message-ID: caomwt1x70e7_qgejmwp52nhgxflw_bgwicdjnyuve2ga8gt...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Nice! A lot better than cat images, that's for certain! G Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Don Guthrieshark50...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace tranquility of the group I offer this small geso They were mostly taken with K-01 including the two that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out! Whoops did I forget a link? http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157634710613324/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Flogging a dead horse here. On 7/19/2013 10:58 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013, Mark Roberts wrote: Aahz Maruch wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013, Mark Roberts wrote: Every email list I've ever been on has had reply-to-list as the default. Why would you participate in a mailing list and not want replies sent to the... list? Makes no sense. Interesting -- even before the various lists I've been started changing their policies around a decade ago, I'd say that at least half the lists I've been on were not reply-to list. As for why, aside from the issue about boo-boos with intended private messages, it's a way to control list volume. Another reason is that some mailing lists have restricted access and anyone not on the list participating in the conversation needs to be cc'd, and the Reply-To header mucks with that. I can see how one might accidentally slip and send a private message to the list - been there, done that - but if I compare the ratio of private emails to public (entire list) emails I've sent in reply to PDML messages it's well over 100:1. That's almost certainly true for me for all mailing lists I've been on. But the point is that the cost of sending a private e-mail public is also much higher, and I've seen a lot of mildly embarrassing, some moderately embarrasing, and a few outright damaging (e.g. disclosing major secrets). I don't think it's 100:1 in that direction, but I also don't think it's a slam dunk that the cost/benefit analysis is totally oriented toward reply-to list on this one ground. (I do realize, of course, that reply-to sender doesn't completely prevent stupid disclosure of private/secret info, one only needs to look at damnyouautocorrect.com to prove otherwise.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Amen! On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/07/2013 9:49 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013, Bill wrote: On 18/07/2013 8:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of affairs as that's the way we've always done it. If people actually do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for change. (And since only one person has specifically expressed a preference for switching off reply-to list, I'll shut up except for addressing any other wrong comments.) Dude, the beauty of the PDML is that it is a virtual pub, with the added beauty that one can participate in several different conversations at the same time, and can take a conversation off list if it goes off topic. Changing the default to reply to person rather than reply to list would result in confusion and suicide. Why can't you just leave well enough alone? Really? That explains why my other lists have died, then. /sarcasm So go fuck yourself. No one here needs you. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Link! On Jul 19, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace tranquility of the group I offer this small geso They were mostly taken with K-01 including the two that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out! pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:05:05 -0500 From: Charles Robinsoncharl...@visi.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Message-ID:3ed9bd6f-5852-45f7-be9c-4e9f29bb2...@visi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Manndmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xaviuszosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something?:) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body,, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace tranquility of the group I offer this small geso They were mostly taken with K-01 including the two that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out! pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:05:05 -0500 From: Charles Robinsoncharl...@visi.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Message-ID:3ed9bd6f-5852-45f7-be9c-4e9f29bb2...@visi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Manndmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xaviuszosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something?:) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
From: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com So go fuck yourself. No one here needs you. bill Hey, it's like I asked him before... if he was stupid or just pretending to be. Setting up a list with the default not being 'reply to list' is self-defeating. You'll notice how he often appears to deliberately misunderstand things and then pontificates. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013, Mark Roberts wrote: Aahz Maruch wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013, Mark Roberts wrote: Every email list I've ever been on has had reply-to-list as the default. Why would you participate in a mailing list and not want replies sent to the... list? Makes no sense. Interesting -- even before the various lists I've been started changing their policies around a decade ago, I'd say that at least half the lists I've been on were not reply-to list. As for why, aside from the issue about boo-boos with intended private messages, it's a way to control list volume. Another reason is that some mailing lists have restricted access and anyone not on the list participating in the conversation needs to be cc'd, and the Reply-To header mucks with that. I can see how one might accidentally slip and send a private message to the list - been there, done that - but if I compare the ratio of private emails to public (entire list) emails I've sent in reply to PDML messages it's well over 100:1. That's almost certainly true for me for all mailing lists I've been on. But the point is that the cost of sending a private e-mail public is also much higher, and I've seen a lot of mildly embarrassing, some moderately embarrasing, and a few outright damaging (e.g. disclosing major secrets). I don't think it's 100:1 in that direction, but I also don't think it's a slam dunk that the cost/benefit analysis is totally oriented toward reply-to list on this one ground. (I do realize, of course, that reply-to sender doesn't completely prevent stupid disclosure of private/secret info, one only needs to look at damnyouautocorrect.com to prove otherwise.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
A Troll - we haven't seen one for a while. Maybe we should have some fun with him. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com So go fuck yourself. No one here needs you. bill Hey, it's like I asked him before... if he was stupid or just pretending to be. Setting up a list with the default not being 'reply to list' is self-defeating. You'll notice how he often appears to deliberately misunderstand things and then pontificates. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, ,, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Gerrit, I have no idea what you are talking about. I was a certified hermit in the 60's... or so I remember. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 8 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:58:09 -0400 From: Gerrit Vissergerrit...@gmail.com To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, , WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Message-ID: 003801ce84ba$4bb57610$e3206230$@com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Very intense colours, very trippy indeed from what I remember of those times. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Don Guthrie Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 3:07 PM To:pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body,, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace tranquility of the group I offer this small geso They were mostly taken with K-01 including the two that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out! Whoops did I forget a link? http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157634710613324/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well you did mention acid trip ann On 7/19/2013 15:07, Don Guthrie wrote: I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace tranquility of the group I offer this small geso They were mostly taken with K-01 including the two that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out! Whoops did I forget a link? http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157634710613324/ pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:05:05 -0500 From: Charles Robinsoncharl...@visi.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Message-ID:3ed9bd6f-5852-45f7-be9c-4e9f29bb2...@visi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Manndmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xaviuszosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something?:) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Send a link to the whole list? Are you crazy? On 19 Jul 2013, at 20:08, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote: Link! On Jul 19, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace tranquility of the group I offer this small geso They were mostly taken with K-01 including the two that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out! pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:05:05 -0500 From: Charles Robinsoncharl...@visi.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Message-ID:3ed9bd6f-5852-45f7-be9c-4e9f29bb2...@visi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Manndmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xaviuszosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something?:) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
An amazing transition occured when she moved away from the PS to DSLR, she could see what she was photographing. Pat has a really great eye for things, we are often in the smae locatin and she routinely spots things to pohotgraph that I never saw. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 8:17 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) She did a great job, Gerrit. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com wrote: I'll oblige, anything to change the subject :-) http://photo.psgv.ca/chillin/ My wife took the photo with her K100D. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:13 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
oooh so sweet! arf! ann On 7/19/2013 11:52, Bill wrote: On 18/07/2013 11:13 PM, David Mann wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave I don't have any cat pictures. Would a puppy do? http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/rottiepuppy.html bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, , WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
I like the purty flowers, but this flikker presentation these days is really annoying. ann On 7/19/2013 15:19, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Nice! A lot better than cat images, that's for certain! G Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace tranquility of the group I offer this small geso They were mostly taken with K-01 including the two that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out! Whoops did I forget a link? http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157634710613324/ pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:05:05 -0500 From: Charles Robinsoncharl...@visi.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Message-ID:3ed9bd6f-5852-45f7-be9c-4e9f29bb2...@visi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Manndmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xaviuszosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something?:) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Gerrit - you just got blind-sided!! I suggest you do NOT submit a kitty cat to the O P ann On 7/19/2013 13:12, Gerrit Visser wrote: thank you, I will check that out. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:04 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Cool kitty. You ought to submit that one to The Online Photographer. On 7/19/2013 5:41 AM, Gerrit Visser wrote: I'll oblige, anything to change the subject :-) http://photo.psgv.ca/chillin/ My wife took the photo with her K100D. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:13 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, , WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Very intense colours, very trippy indeed from what I remember of those times. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Don Guthrie Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 3:07 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body,, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace tranquility of the group I offer this small geso They were mostly taken with K-01 including the two that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out! Whoops did I forget a link? http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157634710613324/ pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:05:05 -0500 From: Charles Robinsoncharl...@visi.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Message-ID:3ed9bd6f-5852-45f7-be9c-4e9f29bb2...@visi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Manndmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xaviuszosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something?:) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
I will pass that on to Pat, thank you. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:52 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Look how sharp the cat hairs are on the lounger, too! sweet photo ann On 7/19/2013 08:18, Bruce Walker wrote: It was never really your lounger, Gerrit. You were merely allowed a term lease on it which has now expired. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Zos. We came home from our cruise to find him a full blown diabetic. After 3 months, many $ and insulin injections later, he is now almost recovered (cats are unique that way). But as a result he gets even more spoiled than before. That used to be my lounge chair on the balcony :-) gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Zos Xavius Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:49 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Now that's a chill cat. :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, , WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
I agree that Flickr is quite annoying and distracting. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: I like the purty flowers, but this flikker presentation these days is really annoying. ann On 7/19/2013 15:19, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Nice! A lot better than cat images, that's for certain! G Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have a cat or dog so to add to the peace tranquility of the group I offer this small geso They were mostly taken with K-01 including the two that look like a 70's acid trip. Peace out! Whoops did I forget a link? http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/sets/72157634710613324/ pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:05:05 -0500 From: Charles Robinsoncharl...@visi.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Message-ID:3ed9bd6f-5852-45f7-be9c-4e9f29bb2...@visi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 19, 2013, at 00:13 , David Manndmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xaviuszosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something?:) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg -Charles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
on 2013-07-19 5:36 Mark Roberts wrote Every email list I've ever been on has had reply-to-list as the default. Why would you participate in a mailing list and not want replies sent to the... list? Makes no sense. this is actually an ancient debate; and even though in email years i'm pretty ancient, i fall on the side of reply-to-list just to get it all out so we don't have to repeat anything: http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/reply-to-useful.html http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html and here's one my cats: https://www.dropbox.com/s/p65syor08zc9pfv/k%27lesha.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
You're right, way too much typing required. I have to be less trusting it seems :-) Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:09 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Gerrit - you just got blind-sided!! I suggest you do NOT submit a kitty cat to the O P ann On 7/19/2013 13:12, Gerrit Visser wrote: thank you, I will check that out. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:04 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Cool kitty. You ought to submit that one to The Online Photographer. On 7/19/2013 5:41 AM, Gerrit Visser wrote: I'll oblige, anything to change the subject :-) http://photo.psgv.ca/chillin/ My wife took the photo with her K100D. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:13 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Well, I didn't expect it to just come off in my hand. ;-D On 7/19/2013 5:09 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Gerrit - you just got blind-sided!! I suggest you do NOT submit a kitty cat to the O P ann On 7/19/2013 13:12, Gerrit Visser wrote: thank you, I will check that out. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:04 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) Cool kitty. You ought to submit that one to The Online Photographer. On 7/19/2013 5:41 AM, Gerrit Visser wrote: I'll oblige, anything to change the subject :-) http://photo.psgv.ca/chillin/ My wife took the photo with her K100D. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of David Mann Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:13 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens) On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On Jul 20, 2013, at 4:05 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Favorite odd photo of my old now-20-year-old buddy. From 2005: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2005/IMGP3164.jpg Love it. I suppose I should take my own advice and post one too. My wife took this on her iPhone when she was away for a conference in May... http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/636/#peso Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Off list: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On 17/07/2013 1:59 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Gee was that supposed to be off-list??? ann No Ann, when I send something off list, I put off list in the subject line. bill On 7/17/2013 15:47, Bill wrote: On 17/07/2013 1:34 PM, Tom C wrote: I've found that the combitation of having met a number of the members of this list combined with the fact that anything I send will be read by them tends to keep some of my less savoury posting habits in check. bill You have savoury posting habits also then, I take it? :) Tom C. How long has it been since I called you a fcuking idiot? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On 17/07/2013 2:03 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Unlike many people of my birth culture (Jewish), I don't do guilt. Your mother must love you. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Off list: Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Har! ann On 7/18/2013 09:17, Bill wrote: On 17/07/2013 1:59 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Gee was that supposed to be off-list??? ann No Ann, when I send something off list, I put off list in the subject line. bill On 7/17/2013 15:47, Bill wrote: On 17/07/2013 1:34 PM, Tom C wrote: I've found that the combitation of having met a number of the members of this list combined with the fact that anything I send will be read by them tends to keep some of my less savoury posting habits in check. bill You have savoury posting habits also then, I take it? :) Tom C. How long has it been since I called you a fcuking idiot? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013, Bill wrote: On 17/07/2013 2:03 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Unlike many people of my birth culture (Jewish), I don't do guilt. Your mother must love you. She grew up on a kibbutz, she doesn't do guilt, either. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
I'm on an Old (woodworking) Tools list that changed to reply-to-sender. I hate it. (I also think that moving communications off-list, by default, is not good for the long term health of the list.) I can't speak to the percentage of mailing lists that default one way or the other. On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 18, 2013, Bill wrote: On 17/07/2013 2:03 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Unlike many people of my birth culture (Jewish), I don't do guilt. Your mother must love you. She grew up on a kibbutz, she doesn't do guilt, either. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
on 2013-07-18 7:43 Aahz Maruch wrote She grew up on a kibbutz, she doesn't do guilt, either. my grandmother grew up in Massachusetts and was known as Mrs. Quilt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Bob Sullivan wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jul 17, 2013, at 09:25 , Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: More seriously, does anyone remember why this list is set for reply-to list? Very few other lists I'm on these days are set that way, precisely because the failure mode is worse with reply-to list (screw up with reply-to sender and you only send something private you meant public). reply-to-list is preferred when it's... a list! Then why have almost all lists switched to reply-to-sender? This is a list. Posting has been this way for 10+ years. And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of affairs as that's the way we've always done it. If people actually do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for change. (And since only one person has specifically expressed a preference for switching off reply-to list, I'll shut up except for addressing any other wrong comments.) Show me another list that doesn't respond to everyone. darktable-us...@lists.sourceforge.net, just for example. I'm on about twenty or thirty different mailing lists, I'd say that maybe five are reply-to list. Pentax Forum sure doesn't post your reply only to the original sender. As you said, above, this is a *l*i*s*t*. We like the way this works. Get used to it! I'm used to it, just brought it up because someone mentioned mistakenly replying to list when they intended private, and because I've seen a number of lists over the last decade or two switch off reply-to list because of the disproportionate cost of making a mistake. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
This is a list. Posting has been this way for 10+ years. And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of affairs as that's the way we've always done it. If people actually do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for change So then what are you, a Troll who likes to hear himself talk. I didn't think you were a 13 year old boy, but we know how to deal with those too. Put on your flame retardant underwear before you start anything. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Bob Sullivan wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jul 17, 2013, at 09:25 , Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: More seriously, does anyone remember why this list is set for reply-to list? Very few other lists I'm on these days are set that way, precisely because the failure mode is worse with reply-to list (screw up with reply-to sender and you only send something private you meant public). reply-to-list is preferred when it's... a list! Then why have almost all lists switched to reply-to-sender? This is a list. Posting has been this way for 10+ years. And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of affairs as that's the way we've always done it. If people actually do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for change. (And since only one person has specifically expressed a preference for switching off reply-to list, I'll shut up except for addressing any other wrong comments.) Show me another list that doesn't respond to everyone. darktable-us...@lists.sourceforge.net, just for example. I'm on about twenty or thirty different mailing lists, I'd say that maybe five are reply-to list. Pentax Forum sure doesn't post your reply only to the original sender. As you said, above, this is a *l*i*s*t*. We like the way this works. Get used to it! I'm used to it, just brought it up because someone mentioned mistakenly replying to list when they intended private, and because I've seen a number of lists over the last decade or two switch off reply-to list because of the disproportionate cost of making a mistake. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On 18/07/2013 8:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of affairs as that's the way we've always done it. If people actually do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for change. (And since only one person has specifically expressed a preference for switching off reply-to list, I'll shut up except for addressing any other wrong comments.) Dude, the beauty of the PDML is that it is a virtual pub, with the added beauty that one can participate in several different conversations at the same time, and can take a conversation off list if it goes off topic. Changing the default to reply to person rather than reply to list would result in confusion and suicide. Why can't you just leave well enough alone? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On 18/07/2013 9:13 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: This is a list. Posting has been this way for 10+ years. And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of affairs as that's the way we've always done it. If people actually do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for change So then what are you, a Troll who likes to hear himself talk. I didn't think you were a 13 year old boy, but we know how to deal with those too. Put on your flame retardant underwear before you start anything. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: O Aahz, you have awoken the ire that Bob S. almost always has well under control. You would do well to only speak when spoken to for a little while. Before you know it, that other Bob will wake up if you are not careful. I pity you if that happens. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013, Bill wrote: On 18/07/2013 8:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of affairs as that's the way we've always done it. If people actually do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for change. (And since only one person has specifically expressed a preference for switching off reply-to list, I'll shut up except for addressing any other wrong comments.) Dude, the beauty of the PDML is that it is a virtual pub, with the added beauty that one can participate in several different conversations at the same time, and can take a conversation off list if it goes off topic. Changing the default to reply to person rather than reply to list would result in confusion and suicide. Why can't you just leave well enough alone? Really? That explains why my other lists have died, then. /sarcasm -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013, Bob Sullivan wrote: This is a list. Posting has been this way for 10+ years. And your point is? FSM knows I'm *so* not a fan of change for change's sake, but I also think it's bizarre to excuse a state of affairs as that's the way we've always done it. If people actually do prefer reply-to list, I'm certainly not agitating for change So then what are you, a Troll who likes to hear himself talk. I didn't think you were a 13 year old boy, but we know how to deal with those too. Put on your flame retardant underwear before you start anything. Looks like your undies are all knotted up. Maybe you should fix that. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Reply to list is superior. My error was in responding to a threaded conversation. It happens. Without reply to list much of what we say would just go back to the person we are responding to and not the list. I know this would get me almost every single time. Hey if you're dumb enough to post to a public list something you definitely don't want the whole list to see, well you get what you deserve because you've just proven yourself to be a dumbass. Then again I'm not one to say something to another person that I would be afraid to have repeated. Better to just be that way in general in everything you do. Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On Jul 19, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get back to perverted jokes or derailing every serious conversation into absurdity or something? :) I think we need some cat photos to calm everyone down. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
[meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Remember, you have no privacy. More seriously, does anyone remember why this list is set for reply-to list? Very few other lists I'm on these days are set that way, precisely because the failure mode is worse with reply-to list (screw up with reply-to sender and you only send something private you meant public). (I'm not at all pushing to change, just figured it might be worth revisiting, haven't seen any mention in the ~6 months I've been here.) On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Zos Xavius wrote: whoops. meant to be private. On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Still want to part with that nice looking K-7? ;) On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Joe J. Wilensky jj...@cornell.edu wrote: FS: Pentax K-7 body, low shutter count (2,295), EX- condition. Purchased from a list member (but I don't remember who!). Includes printed manual, original box, strap, new non-Pentax battery and non-Pentax charger. $225. Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AL WR lens, EX+ condition. I had bought this lens new and sent it back to Pentax before the warranty was up because of sub-par performance. They calibrated it to factory specs and it now performs very, very well for this kit lens! A weather resistant lens, it's a great match on the weather-resistant K-7. $100. Tamron SP 24-135mm f/3.5-5.6 macro AF aspherical (IF) lens, includes front and rear caps and Tamron soft zippered case, EX condition. This is a film-era lens and is therefore technically full frame. Balances well on the K-7 body though it isn't weatherproof. $125. It's this lens, for reference: http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/tamron-sp-af-24-135mm-f-3-5-5-6-ad-aspherical-if.html Combine the K-7 with one or both lenses for a package deal and price. Photos available upon request. Joe Wilensky -- Joe Wilensky Managing editor, Ezra: Cornell's quarterly magazine The Cornell Chronicle Ezra: Cornell's quarterly magazine Ezra Update: Cornell's monthly newsletter for alumni friends Cornell Chronicle weekly digest 312 College Ave. Ithaca, NY 14850 jj...@cornell.edu (607) 255-3630 phone/voice mail (607) 255-5373 fax http://ezramagazine.cornell.edu/ http://www.news.cornell.edu/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
[meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
From: Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com More seriously, does anyone remember why this list is set for reply-to list? Very few other lists I'm on these days are set that way, precisely because the failure mode is worse with reply-to list (screw up with reply-to sender and you only send something private you meant public). (I'm not at all pushing to change, just figured it might be worth revisiting, haven't seen any mention in the ~6 months I've been here.) Maybe for the simple and obvious fact that it's a list? Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On Jul 17, 2013, at 09:25 , Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: More seriously, does anyone remember why this list is set for reply-to list? Very few other lists I'm on these days are set that way, precisely because the failure mode is worse with reply-to list (screw up with reply-to sender and you only send something private you meant public). reply-to-list is preferred when it's... a list! (I'm not at all pushing to change, just figured it might be worth revisiting, haven't seen any mention in the ~6 months I've been here.) If you were to push for change... I'd push back. :-) -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Well, hopefully no one's going to screw around and change the settings now that I've finally figured them out. On 7/17/2013 10:25 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Remember, you have no privacy. More seriously, does anyone remember why this list is set for reply-to list? Very few other lists I'm on these days are set that way, precisely because the failure mode is worse with reply-to list (screw up with reply-to sender and you only send something private you meant public). (I'm not at all pushing to change, just figured it might be worth revisiting, haven't seen any mention in the ~6 months I've been here.) On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Zos Xavius wrote: whoops. meant to be private. On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Still want to part with that nice looking K-7? ;) On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Joe J. Wilensky jj...@cornell.edu wrote: FS: Pentax K-7 body, low shutter count (2,295), EX- condition. Purchased from a list member (but I don't remember who!). Includes printed manual, original box, strap, new non-Pentax battery and non-Pentax charger. $225. Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AL WR lens, EX+ condition. I had bought this lens new and sent it back to Pentax before the warranty was up because of sub-par performance. They calibrated it to factory specs and it now performs very, very well for this kit lens! A weather resistant lens, it's a great match on the weather-resistant K-7. $100. Tamron SP 24-135mm f/3.5-5.6 macro AF aspherical (IF) lens, includes front and rear caps and Tamron soft zippered case, EX condition. This is a film-era lens and is therefore technically full frame. Balances well on the K-7 body though it isn't weatherproof. $125. It's this lens, for reference: http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/tamron-sp-af-24-135mm-f-3-5-5-6-ad-aspherical-if.html Combine the K-7 with one or both lenses for a package deal and price. Photos available upon request. Joe Wilensky -- Joe Wilensky Managing editor, Ezra: Cornell's quarterly magazine The Cornell Chronicle Ezra: Cornell's quarterly magazine Ezra Update: Cornell's monthly newsletter for alumni friends Cornell Chronicle weekly digest 312 College Ave. Ithaca, NY 14850 jj...@cornell.edu (607) 255-3630 phone/voice mail (607) 255-5373 fax http://ezramagazine.cornell.edu/ http://www.news.cornell.edu/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
I like the reply-to where it is. Can't we just keep things like they are? They are good right now. :) On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:34 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, hopefully no one's going to screw around and change the settings now that I've finally figured them out. On 7/17/2013 10:25 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Remember, you have no privacy. More seriously, does anyone remember why this list is set for reply-to list? Very few other lists I'm on these days are set that way, precisely because the failure mode is worse with reply-to list (screw up with reply-to sender and you only send something private you meant public). (I'm not at all pushing to change, just figured it might be worth revisiting, haven't seen any mention in the ~6 months I've been here.) On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Zos Xavius wrote: whoops. meant to be private. On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: Still want to part with that nice looking K-7? ;) On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Joe J. Wilensky jj...@cornell.edu wrote: FS: Pentax K-7 body, low shutter count (2,295), EX- condition. Purchased from a list member (but I don't remember who!). Includes printed manual, original box, strap, new non-Pentax battery and non-Pentax charger. $225. Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AL WR lens, EX+ condition. I had bought this lens new and sent it back to Pentax before the warranty was up because of sub-par performance. They calibrated it to factory specs and it now performs very, very well for this kit lens! A weather resistant lens, it's a great match on the weather-resistant K-7. $100. Tamron SP 24-135mm f/3.5-5.6 macro AF aspherical (IF) lens, includes front and rear caps and Tamron soft zippered case, EX condition. This is a film-era lens and is therefore technically full frame. Balances well on the K-7 body though it isn't weatherproof. $125. It's this lens, for reference: http://www.pentaxforums.com/userreviews/tamron-sp-af-24-135mm-f-3-5-5-6-ad-aspherical-if.html Combine the K-7 with one or both lenses for a package deal and price. Photos available upon request. Joe Wilensky -- Joe Wilensky Managing editor, Ezra: Cornell's quarterly magazine The Cornell Chronicle Ezra: Cornell's quarterly magazine Ezra Update: Cornell's monthly newsletter for alumni friends Cornell Chronicle weekly digest 312 College Ave. Ithaca, NY 14850 jj...@cornell.edu (607) 255-3630 phone/voice mail (607) 255-5373 fax http://ezramagazine.cornell.edu/ http://www.news.cornell.edu/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jul 17, 2013, at 09:25 , Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: More seriously, does anyone remember why this list is set for reply-to list? Very few other lists I'm on these days are set that way, precisely because the failure mode is worse with reply-to list (screw up with reply-to sender and you only send something private you meant public). reply-to-list is preferred when it's... a list! Then why have almost all lists switched to reply-to-sender? -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
ok AAHZ, fess up - what did you send to list that you meant to be private? and just how much trouble did you get into? ;-) ann On 7/17/2013 13:44, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jul 17, 2013, at 09:25 , Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: More seriously, does anyone remember why this list is set for reply-to list? Very few other lists I'm on these days are set that way, precisely because the failure mode is worse with reply-to list (screw up with reply-to sender and you only send something private you meant public). reply-to-list is preferred when it's... a list! Then why have almost all lists switched to reply-to-sender? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote: ok AAHZ, fess up - what did you send to list that you meant to be private? and just how much trouble did you get into? ;-) Not me! It was Zos! -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
I plead the 5th! On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote: ok AAHZ, fess up - what did you send to list that you meant to be private? and just how much trouble did you get into? ;-) Not me! It was Zos! -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On 17/07/2013 11:44 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jul 17, 2013, at 09:25 , Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: More seriously, does anyone remember why this list is set for reply-to list? Very few other lists I'm on these days are set that way, precisely because the failure mode is worse with reply-to list (screw up with reply-to sender and you only send something private you meant public). reply-to-list is preferred when it's... a list! Then why have almost all lists switched to reply-to-sender? I've found that the combitation of having met a number of the members of this list combined with the fact that anything I send will be read by them tends to keep some of my less savoury posting habits in check. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
I've found that the combitation of having met a number of the members of this list combined with the fact that anything I send will be read by them tends to keep some of my less savoury posting habits in check. bill You have savoury posting habits also then, I take it? :) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Tom, you have to ask, even after meeting Bill in person? On 7/17/2013 3:34 PM, Tom C wrote: I've found that the combitation of having met a number of the members of this list combined with the fact that anything I send will be read by them tends to keep some of my less savoury posting habits in check. bill You have savoury posting habits also then, I take it? :) Tom C. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On 17/07/2013 1:34 PM, Tom C wrote: I've found that the combitation of having met a number of the members of this list combined with the fact that anything I send will be read by them tends to keep some of my less savoury posting habits in check. bill You have savoury posting habits also then, I take it? :) Tom C. How long has it been since I called you a fcuking idiot? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On 7/17/2013 13:54, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote: ok AAHZ, fess up - what did you send to list that you meant to be private? and just how much trouble did you get into? ;-) Not me! It was Zos! So does that mean you are totally guilt free? ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
But we do have the archives, ya know ann On 7/17/2013 13:58, Zos Xavius wrote: I plead the 5th! On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote: ok AAHZ, fess up - what did you send to list that you meant to be private? and just how much trouble did you get into? ;-) Not me! It was Zos! -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
Gee was that supposed to be off-list??? ann On 7/17/2013 15:47, Bill wrote: On 17/07/2013 1:34 PM, Tom C wrote: I've found that the combitation of having met a number of the members of this list combined with the fact that anything I send will be read by them tends to keep some of my less savoury posting habits in check. bill You have savoury posting habits also then, I take it? :) Tom C. How long has it been since I called you a fcuking idiot? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [meta] Reply-to list (was Re: FS: Low-mileage K-7 body, WR kit zoom, Tamron 24-135 lens)
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote: On 7/17/2013 13:54, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013, Ann Sanfedele wrote: ok AAHZ, fess up - what did you send to list that you meant to be private? and just how much trouble did you get into? ;-) Not me! It was Zos! So does that mean you are totally guilt free? Unlike many people of my birth culture (Jewish), I don't do guilt. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
