Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
The only lens I bought on e-bay that I know for sure was stolen had a very detailed description from a very knowledgeable seller with clear photographs. Imagine my consternation when about a year later I receive an e-mail from a police department asking for all the details of the sale and a deposition to be used in court... At 11:00 PM 7/16/03 +0100, you wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith Whaley) wrote: Too much UN-known here, as you say... Indeed. I've bought about 15 bits of Pentax kit off eBay in the last couple of months, and I'm starting to worry about how much of what is on offer is stolen. Some of it has to be, obviously, since eBay is just too convenient for it not to be used for that, but how much? My suspicion mostly falls on items with very little description, where the sellers don't answer technical questions. --- John Dallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To grasp the true meaning of socialism, imagine a world where everything is designed by the post office, even the sleaze. O'Rourke, P.J.
Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
John Dallman wrote: Yes, my credit card bill did arrive today. Why do you ask? I didn't.
Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
You haven't even glimpsed the real Dr Williams, not by a bloody long shot. Just like I said - you poor little man - you can't leave it alone. What I wrote was considered carefully and true. You always know best and its very boring. Why don't you stop trying teach all the Grandmothers and Grandfathers on this list how to suck eggs. You exhibit every trait of the troll, even the thick skin, by the looks of it. One poor fellow, who couldn't really help himself, left us. Why don't you follow? Or just drop dead? Now, you ignorant little twerp, I'll let you have the last word. ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:38 PM Subject: Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow. Ah, the real Dr. Williams appears, sheds his thin veneer of civility and shows his true, base inner self... Thank you Sir. keith whaley Dr E D F Williams wrote: I was going to simply ignore your ever so predicable crap, but for the group's benefit I thought I'd better reply in public. You're as thick as two planks Whaley. And you just can't leave things alone. I asked you twice to leave it, but you simply have to behave like the fucking trolling twat you are! You're always giving other people lessons. I was quoting literature sources probably before you were born. If you are so fucking stupid that you couldn't work out why I left the sender's name out, then at least you could be silent. Perhaps even think for once. But no, you have to open your big ignorant mouth don't you? Don't waste your time mailing me off list either. I pity your poor wife -- if you have one. DW ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:55 PM Subject: Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow. Dr E D F Williams wrote: I knew exactly what I was doing when I put posted that message. You mean you deliberately _planned_ to just let that quote go unattributed? If you worked out where it came from why imply that others on this list would not be able to do the same? I implied nothing. I had personally written the seller, and he sent me back the same exact message, but when he did, it was person to person, not a general list message like you posted. I worked out what you posted because he sent the very same message to me. Rather easy mental segue, even for me There are, at any given time, some 5 to 8 different subjects being actively discussed on this list. I prefer to cut down the ambiguity in correspondence, by making my messages as clear as I can. I suggest to others that they might be better correspondents by doing the same. What's wrong with that? You just don't like for any criticism of you, however small or insignificant, to be addressed in public. I'll do it privately from now on. I hereby apologize publically, for addressing you publically. Don't start! Got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning, Don? Don PS: Don't start! Now you're repeating yourself! Don't be a twit... keith
Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
John, Those conclusions - which shall remain private - were based on three significant words in the message I quoted. Talking about buying things on eBay. It's still the place to look first, no question about that. I don't know about KEH, but Henry's is reliable and the descriptions are accurate. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: John Dallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:23 PM Subject: Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow. In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dr E D F Williams) wrote: The camera bodies, winder, motor drive and data back have been serviced by Pentax on a regular basis. ... There you ... are take it or leave it! I've come to my own conclusions. Same here, on that description. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, and I'm not intending to stop buying via eBay; I've just added the issue to the unknowns and ambiguities of life. Having seen KEH mentioned on PDML several times, I took a look at their website today. That's a financially perilous activity, but there's a 35/2.0 and a 50/1.2 on the way now. I just have to get this here K2 overhauled, and I have a viable K-mount outfit. --- John Dallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (whickersworld) wrote: There's a danger you're becoming paranoid. Not every seller who doesn't answer technical questions is a thief. Absolutely. It does give me a good reason to persuade myself not to bid, though. You should perhaps follow my example by lowering your expectations and factoring in the cost of a CLA (service) for every single item you buy. Oh, I do. When older K/M/A-mount lenses are available with a warranty from so many UK dealers, why take a risk on eBay for a small saving that may well prove to be an illusion? True, but *finding* them is the hard bit. Just at present, I'm working on convincing myself that I've got all the stuff I want for a while. Yes, my credit card bill did arrive today. Why do you ask? --- John Dallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
Dr E D F Williams wrote: The camera bodies, winder, motor drive and data back have been serviced by Pentax on a regular basis. This includes routine CLA's (clean lubed and adjusted) shutter timing and updating the data back. Never had sticky mirror concerns in either body. All equipment is kept in a case when not used in a climate controlled environment. After use equipment is wiped down and cleaned prior to storage. No fungus present on any of the lenses. There you ... are take it or leave it! I've come to my own conclusions. Hi Don, You might have indicated that your quote (above) is from the message returned to you from the seller of that camera kit. To just put up a quote is meaningless unless you indicate from whence it came! keith whaley
Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
I knew exactly what I was doing when I put posted that message. If you worked out where it came from why imply that others on this list would not be able to do the same? Don't start! Don PS: Don't start! __ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow. Dr E D F Williams wrote: The camera bodies, winder, motor drive and data back have been serviced by Pentax on a regular basis. This includes routine CLA's (clean lubed and adjusted) shutter timing and updating the data back. Never had sticky mirror concerns in either body. All equipment is kept in a case when not used in a climate controlled environment. After use equipment is wiped down and cleaned prior to storage. No fungus present on any of the lenses. There you ... are take it or leave it! I've come to my own conclusions. Hi Don, You might have indicated that your quote (above) is from the message returned to you from the seller of that camera kit. To just put up a quote is meaningless unless you indicate from whence it came! keith whaley
Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
Dr E D F Williams wrote: I knew exactly what I was doing when I put posted that message. You mean you deliberately _planned_ to just let that quote go unattributed? If you worked out where it came from why imply that others on this list would not be able to do the same? I implied nothing. I had personally written the seller, and he sent me back the same exact message, but when he did, it was person to person, not a general list message like you posted. I worked out what you posted because he sent the very same message to me. Rather easy mental segue, even for me There are, at any given time, some 5 to 8 different subjects being actively discussed on this list. I prefer to cut down the ambiguity in correspondence, by making my messages as clear as I can. I suggest to others that they might be better correspondents by doing the same. What's wrong with that? You just don't like for any criticism of you, however small or insignificant, to be addressed in public. I'll do it privately from now on. I hereby apologize publically, for addressing you publically. Don't start! Got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning, Don? Don PS: Don't start! Now you're repeating yourself! Don't be a twit... keith
Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
I was going to simply ignore your ever so predicable crap, but for the group's benefit I thought I'd better reply in public. You're as thick as two planks Whaley. And you just can't leave things alone. I asked you twice to leave it, but you simply have to behave like the fucking trolling twat you are! You're always giving other people lessons. I was quoting literature sources probably before you were born. If you are so fucking stupid that you couldn't work out why I left the sender's name out, then at least you could be silent. Perhaps even think for once. But no, you have to open your big ignorant mouth don't you? Don't waste your time mailing me off list either. I pity your poor wife -- if you have one. DW ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:55 PM Subject: Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow. Dr E D F Williams wrote: I knew exactly what I was doing when I put posted that message. You mean you deliberately _planned_ to just let that quote go unattributed? If you worked out where it came from why imply that others on this list would not be able to do the same? I implied nothing. I had personally written the seller, and he sent me back the same exact message, but when he did, it was person to person, not a general list message like you posted. I worked out what you posted because he sent the very same message to me. Rather easy mental segue, even for me There are, at any given time, some 5 to 8 different subjects being actively discussed on this list. I prefer to cut down the ambiguity in correspondence, by making my messages as clear as I can. I suggest to others that they might be better correspondents by doing the same. What's wrong with that? You just don't like for any criticism of you, however small or insignificant, to be addressed in public. I'll do it privately from now on. I hereby apologize publically, for addressing you publically. Don't start! Got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning, Don? Don PS: Don't start! Now you're repeating yourself! Don't be a twit... keith
Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dr E D F Williams) wrote: The camera bodies, winder, motor drive and data back have been serviced by Pentax on a regular basis. ... There you ... are take it or leave it! I've come to my own conclusions. Same here, on that description. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, and I'm not intending to stop buying via eBay; I've just added the issue to the unknowns and ambiguities of life. Having seen KEH mentioned on PDML several times, I took a look at their website today. That's a financially perilous activity, but there's a 35/2.0 and a 50/1.2 on the way now. I just have to get this here K2 overhauled, and I have a viable K-mount outfit. --- John Dallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
Very perilous. I find those prices just low enough to indulge many times. Case in point, my new bargain chrome MX arrived today. Some pitting of the chrome around the edges, but an apparently nicely functional and aesthetically pleasing camera. Since I like samll cameras, I'm really pleased with this one, and I plan to give it try tonight at the ball game. My daughter was surprised at how heavy it was. Her generation is more used to plastic and don;t share some of the prejudices that we older folks have since plastics were not nearly as good when we were there age. I fin the the wieght reassuring, however. Beware KEH. Having seen KEH mentioned on PDML several times, I took a look at their website today. That's a financially perilous activity, but there's a 35/2.0 and a 50/1.2 on the way now. I just have to get this here K2 overhauled, and I have a viable K-mount outfit. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
Ah, the real Dr. Williams appears, sheds his thin veneer of civility and shows his true, base inner self... Thank you Sir. keith whaley Dr E D F Williams wrote: I was going to simply ignore your ever so predicable crap, but for the group's benefit I thought I'd better reply in public. You're as thick as two planks Whaley. And you just can't leave things alone. I asked you twice to leave it, but you simply have to behave like the fucking trolling twat you are! You're always giving other people lessons. I was quoting literature sources probably before you were born. If you are so fucking stupid that you couldn't work out why I left the sender's name out, then at least you could be silent. Perhaps even think for once. But no, you have to open your big ignorant mouth don't you? Don't waste your time mailing me off list either. I pity your poor wife -- if you have one. DW ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:55 PM Subject: Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow. Dr E D F Williams wrote: I knew exactly what I was doing when I put posted that message. You mean you deliberately _planned_ to just let that quote go unattributed? If you worked out where it came from why imply that others on this list would not be able to do the same? I implied nothing. I had personally written the seller, and he sent me back the same exact message, but when he did, it was person to person, not a general list message like you posted. I worked out what you posted because he sent the very same message to me. Rather easy mental segue, even for me There are, at any given time, some 5 to 8 different subjects being actively discussed on this list. I prefer to cut down the ambiguity in correspondence, by making my messages as clear as I can. I suggest to others that they might be better correspondents by doing the same. What's wrong with that? You just don't like for any criticism of you, however small or insignificant, to be addressed in public. I'll do it privately from now on. I hereby apologize publically, for addressing you publically. Don't start! Got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning, Don? Don PS: Don't start! Now you're repeating yourself! Don't be a twit... keith
Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
Whoa did I miss something Vic In a message dated 7/17/03 3:40:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah, the real Dr. Williams appears, sheds his thin veneer of civility and shows his true, base inner self... Thank you Sir. keith whaley Dr E D F Williams wrote: I was going to simply ignore your ever so predicable crap, but for the group's benefit I thought I'd better reply in public. You're as thick as two planks Whaley. And you just can't leave things alone. I asked you twice to leave it, but you simply have to behave like the fucking trolling twat you are! You're always giving other people lessons. I was quoting literature sources probably before you were born. If you are so fucking stupid that you couldn't work out why I left the sender's name out, then at least you could be silent. Perhaps even think for once. But no, you have to open your big ignorant mouth don't you? Don't waste your time mailing me off list either. I pity your poor wife -- if you have one. DW
Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2939704395category=15240 Some lovely kit there and it would be great to sell it in one go, keep it together. However, FWIW, I wouldn't touch a zero feedback seller. No disrespect, but unless I was able to pay and collect in person, it just wouldn't happen Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
Cotty wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2939704395category=15240 Some lovely kit there and it would be great to sell it in one go, keep it together. However, FWIW, I wouldn't touch a zero feedback seller. No disrespect, but unless I was able to pay and collect in person, it just wouldn't happen Cheers, Cotty And, the price is right, if all pieces are, as he says, new or barely used. (I'm paraphrasing...) And if all lenses are Pentax, and none have fungus or glass marks, and so on... Are the bodies guaranteed to function well? Have they sat in a case, in a closet for the past 10 years without being used? Battery compartments clean and pristine? No corrosion? (the seller DOES live in temperate, dry Florida, as you recall...) grin Etc., etc. Too much UN-known here, as you say... keith whaley
Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemitem=2939704395category=15240 Some lovely kit there and it would be great to sell it in one go, keep it together. However, FWIW, I wouldn't touch a zero feedback seller. No disrespect, but unless I was able to pay and collect in person, it just wouldn't happen Cheers, Cotty I see your point,espesially for the price of it.(nice looking gear though)When i start to sell a few things on ebay soon,i will have 0 feedback,but,several pdmlers that i have dealt with have agreed to supply feedback via email to bidders.Only one problem,i forgot to ask what kind i'll get.vbg Dave
Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
I think the same kit, or the same picture, has been displayed before on eBay. IIRC, it spawned a few PDML posts on the virtues of labelling the lens caps. Don't remember when, sorry. Jostein On 16 Jul 2003 at 10:20, Keith Whaley wrote: Etc., etc. Too much UN-known here, as you say... keith whaley
Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
The camera bodies, winder, motor drive and data back have been serviced by Pentax on a regular basis. This includes routine CLA's (clean lubed and adjusted) shutter timing and updating the data back. Never had sticky mirror concerns in either body. All equipment is kept in a case when not used in a climate controlled environment. After use equipment is wiped down and cleaned prior to storage. No fungus present on any of the lenses. There you ... are take it or leave it! I've come to my own conclusions. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Len Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:46 AM Subject: RE: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow. The simple solution is to not bid on anything anymore and to list the serial numbers of the items you have on a website asking if any of them were stolen. Len --- -Original Message- From: John Dallman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 5:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow. In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith Whaley) wrote: Too much UN-known here, as you say... Indeed. I've bought about 15 bits of Pentax kit off eBay in the last couple of months, and I'm starting to worry about how much of what is on offer is stolen. Some of it has to be, obviously, since eBay is just too convenient for it not to be used for that, but how much? My suspicion mostly falls on items with very little description, where the sellers don't answer technical questions. --- John Dallman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2 LXs, MDs, Lenses, etc. on ebay- Wow.
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