Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
I am taking images but have been too busy to post. I need to find my submissions for the 2018 PDML Annual first! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Alan C wrote: > Agreed but it seems to have silenced his K5IIs. > > Alan C > > -Original Message- From: Chris Mitchell > Sent: 18 January, 2018 5:57 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: A bit of excitement yesterday > > > That's the best response to this cock-up that I've heard. Pragmatism at its > finest. Well done Dan! > > Chris > > On 14 January 2018 at 19:09, Daniel J. Matyola > wrote: > > We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. >> >> Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely >> beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did >> those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. >> Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE >> THREAT >> INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." >> >> I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, >> shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what >> could >> one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head >> up >> the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an >> explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to >> die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs >> Benedict? >> >> All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- >> also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. >> >> It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the >> emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets >> stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay >> was inexcusable. >> >> Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients >> were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. >> Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a >> real alert, who would believe it. >> >> An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake >> appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency >> center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on >> Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by >> surprise and confused. >> >> On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the >> ballistic missile warning. >> >> A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. >> >> >> Dan Matyola >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
Agreed but it seems to have silenced his K5IIs. Alan C -Original Message- From: Chris Mitchell Sent: 18 January, 2018 5:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: A bit of excitement yesterday That's the best response to this cock-up that I've heard. Pragmatism at its finest. Well done Dan! Chris On 14 January 2018 at 19:09, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
That's the best response to this cock-up that I've heard. Pragmatism at its finest. Well done Dan! Chris On 14 January 2018 at 19:09, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. > > Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely > beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did > those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. > Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT > INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." > > I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, > shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could > one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up > the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an > explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to > die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs > Benedict? > > All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- > also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. > > It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the > emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets > stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay > was inexcusable. > > Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients > were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. > Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a > real alert, who would believe it. > > An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake > appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency > center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on > Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by > surprise and confused. > > On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the > ballistic missile warning. > > A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. > > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
I mean, if it was real, what could one do? Bend over and kiss your ass goodbye. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola" Subject: A bit of excitement yesterday We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
On 1/14/2018 21:39, P. J. Alling wrote: Also just having a simple confirmation click, to send an alert message, seems like to little. If I were specifying the software, there'd be a requirement to enter your system user name and password, partly to insure that the person had authorization to be sending the message and partly to trace who sent a bogus message in that event. People think more clearly when they're required to identify themselves on the record before making a stupid mistake. The *small* amount of experience I have with government computer systems makes me believe they already know who it was. The person coming on shift would have to logon to the system before he/she could run the tests. Nowadays, most government systems require two-factor authentication. You have to insert a CAC (Computer Access Card) into a reader on the keyboard before you can enter your user name and password. Usually the CAC card is some kind of ID badge with a "chip" like that on credit cards. For a systems test at shift handover, I expect both operators have to be on the system, but there's still a procedure for which operator will run the test and which will authenticate it. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
WCBS just reported that sending the message required a mouse click to invoke the procedure and a second confirmation mouse click. So the the employee did get the "are you sure you want to this" and said, of course I do, and the rest is history. I wasn't implying the US military was involved in any way, just State of Hawaii functionaries who made this error. At a time when a great many people are on edge about some sort of missile attack, possibly for good reason, it's easy to create a panic, looks like at least a minor one was created. Also just having a simple confirmation click, to send an alert message, seems like to little. If I were specifying the software, there'd be a requirement to enter your system user name and password, partly to insure that the person had authorization to be sending the message and partly to trace who sent a bogus message in that event. People think more clearly when they're required to identify themselves on the record before making a stupid mistake. On 1/14/2018 4:47 PM, John wrote: I understood it to be some kind of procedure that is exercised at every shift change to verify the system is functioning properly. Someone got a switch in the wrong position or followed the wrong branch on a checklist and the warning message was sent out live. On 1/14/2018 16:12, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: this was the emergency alert system of the State of Hawaii, and not a federal or military emergency response department. Apparently, it took only one person to push the button or click the software prompt to send out the message. It happened at the change of shifts, so it could have been just an elbow accidentally brushing against a button or a key on the keyboard. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right questions. It's all about peoples reactions. what it should be about is, 1 Where did the false report originate. If it was with an actual responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if not. 2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this message? 3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent. This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple software option from a menu. There should be either actual interlocks, (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure you want to do this" after the option is chosen. It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this happen, given reasonable safeguards. Someone should be fired because they ignored all of that. On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxp
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
I was waiting for your report on this! Also, I have a friend in Honolulu who is due here for a visit this coming week -I'm sure he and his wife will have a couple of stories. It is pretty shocking. ann On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
Probably best to just ignore these things and make a nice cup of tea, unless at least one of the following is true 1) the person who pressed the button is obsessed with preserving the purity of the nation's precious bodily fluids 2) you can hear someone screaming "Tora! Tora! Tora!" B > On 14 Jan 2018, at 21:48, John wrote: > > I understood it to be some kind of procedure that is exercised at every shift > change to verify the system is functioning properly. Someone got a switch in > the wrong position or followed the wrong branch on a checklist and the > warning message was sent out live. > >> On 1/14/2018 16:12, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >> this was the emergency alert system of the State of Hawaii, and not a >> federal or military emergency response department. >> Apparently, it took only one person to push the button or click the >> software prompt to send out the message. It happened at the change of >> shifts, so it could have been just an elbow accidentally brushing against a >> button or a key on the keyboard. >> Dan Matyola >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling >> wrote: >>> I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right >>> questions. It's all about peoples reactions. what it should be about is, >>> >>> 1 Where did the false report originate. If it was with an actual >>> responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if >>> not. >>> >>> 2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this >>> message? >>> >>> 3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must >>> likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent. >>> >>> This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple >>> software option from a menu. There should be either actual interlocks, >>> (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the >>> key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure >>> you want to do this" after the option is chosen. >>> >>> It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this >>> happen, given reasonable safeguards. Someone should be fired because they >>> ignored all of that. >>> >>> >>> On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >>> >>> -- >>> America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. >>> America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. >>> - P.J. O'Rourke >>> > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http:/
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
I understood it to be some kind of procedure that is exercised at every shift change to verify the system is functioning properly. Someone got a switch in the wrong position or followed the wrong branch on a checklist and the warning message was sent out live. On 1/14/2018 16:12, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: this was the emergency alert system of the State of Hawaii, and not a federal or military emergency response department. Apparently, it took only one person to push the button or click the software prompt to send out the message. It happened at the change of shifts, so it could have been just an elbow accidentally brushing against a button or a key on the keyboard. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right questions. It's all about peoples reactions. what it should be about is, 1 Where did the false report originate. If it was with an actual responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if not. 2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this message? 3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent. This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple software option from a menu. There should be either actual interlocks, (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure you want to do this" after the option is chosen. It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this happen, given reasonable safeguards. Someone should be fired because they ignored all of that. On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
Then the software is seriously flawed. It's more difficult to delete a file on a MS Windows or for that matter an Android OS device than sending out a message that could cause wide spread panic in Hawaii's system, with possible deaths involved. Hell to simply get a cash disbursement from almost any financial software requires multiple authorizations which need to be verified by the user. So the employee shouldn't be fired, the person who authorized the software interface should be fired, but unfortunately incompetence at that level seems to be well protected. On 1/14/2018 4:12 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: this was the emergency alert system of the State of Hawaii, and not a federal or military emergency response department. Apparently, it took only one person to push the button or click the software prompt to send out the message. It happened at the change of shifts, so it could have been just an elbow accidentally brushing against a button or a key on the keyboard. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right questions. It's all about peoples reactions. what it should be about is, 1 Where did the false report originate. If it was with an actual responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if not. 2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this message? 3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent. This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple software option from a menu. There should be either actual interlocks, (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure you want to do this" after the option is chosen. It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this happen, given reasonable safeguards. Someone should be fired because they ignored all of that. On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
That should be *not* asked the right questions... Just in case anyone wonders, I think they're a terrible news organization, but then again every news organization is a terrible today. All any of these people seem to do is regurgitate the official release, sometimes questioning but seldom asking a followup question of any relevance. On 1/14/2018 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right questions. It's all about peoples reactions. what it should be about is, 1 Where did the false report originate. If it was with an actual responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if not. 2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this message? 3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent. This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple software option from a menu. There should be either actual interlocks, (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure you want to do this" after the option is chosen. It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this happen, given reasonable safeguards. Someone should be fired because they ignored all of that. On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
this was the emergency alert system of the State of Hawaii, and not a federal or military emergency response department. Apparently, it took only one person to push the button or click the software prompt to send out the message. It happened at the change of shifts, so it could have been just an elbow accidentally brushing against a button or a key on the keyboard. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right > questions. It's all about peoples reactions. what it should be about is, > > 1 Where did the false report originate. If it was with an actual > responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if > not. > > 2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this > message? > > 3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must > likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent. > > This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple > software option from a menu. There should be either actual interlocks, > (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the > key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure > you want to do this" after the option is chosen. > > It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this > happen, given reasonable safeguards. Someone should be fired because they > ignored all of that. > > > > On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > >> We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. >> >> Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely >> beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did >> those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. >> Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE >> THREAT >> INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." >> >> I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, >> shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what >> could >> one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head >> up >> the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an >> explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to >> die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs >> Benedict? >> >> All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- >> also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. >> >> It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the >> emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets >> stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay >> was inexcusable. >> >> Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients >> were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. >> Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a >> real alert, who would believe it. >> >> An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake >> appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency >> center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on >> Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by >> surprise and confused. >> >> On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the >> ballistic missile warning. >> >> A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. >> >> >> Dan Matyola >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >> > > -- > America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. > America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. > - P.J. O'Rourke > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A bit of excitement yesterday
I was just reading the CNN account, and they seem to have asked the right questions. It's all about peoples reactions. what it should be about is, 1 Where did the false report originate. If it was with an actual responsible official that duty should be removed from them immediately, if not. 2 Who has the task, and or authorization, to actually send out this message? 3 If it is an actual physical button, and not software, and it's must likely software, what safeguards are there against a false alarm being sent. This shouldn't be a matter of pushing just one button or picking a simple software option from a menu. There should be either actual interlocks, (can't actually be locked with a Key, because what if the person with the key isn't available), but there should be reasonable level of "are you sure you want to do this" after the option is chosen. It seems to me that it would take a fair amount of effort to make this happen, given reasonable safeguards. Someone should be fired because they ignored all of that. On 1/14/2018 2:09 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 14 January 2018 at 19:09 "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: > After all, if one is to > die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs > Benedict? I suppose, if there are no Maquacs around -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
A bit of excitement yesterday
We are at the beginning of our annual sojourn on Maui. Yesterday, at a little after 8:00 AM, we were having breakfast at a lovely beachfront restaurant All of a sudden my phone started to scream, as did those of my wife, my son and all the other patrons in the restaurant. Picking up my phone, I read: "Emergency alert -- BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL." I looked at it a few times, looked around the room at the other patrons, shrugged and went back to my breakfast. I mean, if it was real, what could one do? go to the basement, so the building could collapse on me? Head up the mountain, where I would be more exposed to blast and radiation from an explosion at Pearl Harbor? Not much would help. After all, if one is to die, why not do it in paradise with a glass of fresh guava juice and Eggs Benedict? All of the other patrons in the restaurant -- probably mostly Canadians -- also shrugged, put their phones down, and continued with breakfast. It took 38 minutes for the "authorities" to issue a retraction through the emergency system. My son was able to find a couple of reliable tweets stating it was a false alarm within about 10 minutes, but still, the delay was inexcusable. Elsewhere in Hawaii, there was real panic. In Honolulu, hospital patients were moved from their beds to the basement. tourists panicked on Waikiki. Children were in tears. The biggest problem is that, if there ever is a real alert, who would believe it. An hour after the event, CNN was covering nothing else. The mistake appears to have been human error, at the level of the state emergency center in the crater of Diamond Head, and even the senior military on Hawaii (who would be the first to know of a real attack) were caught by surprise and confused. On Maui, most were more concerned with the high surf warnings than the ballistic missile warning. A bit of excitement in the midst of the serenity of paradise. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
