Re[2]: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR
Hi, > Contax/Zeiss prices have always been ridiculously high and they > are still in the business. this is not true. When I replaced my stolen Pentax equipment with Contax/Zeiss equipment a couple of years ago my insurance company first offered me Nikon equipment. I didn't like what they offered so I did a straight (or as straight as possible) comparison with equivalent Contax/Zeiss. Although some of the C/Z equipment was more expensive, the Nikon stuff was often more than the C/Z stuff, and in the end the equipment I got - 3 RXs, 11 CZ lenses, a monstrous flash gun and assorted accessories - was over £2,000.00 cheaper than the originally offered Nikon stuff. If you want 'ridiculously high' have a look at Leica. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes" - Marcel Proust Thursday, March 07, 2002, 8:55:57 AM, you wrote: > This is true, however, Contax/Zeiss prices have always been ridiculously high and >they > are still in the business. I would say that the new Contax digital slr is more like > a preview of Contax business intentions in the digital future. They are not going > to sell truckloads of them but the new digital will help them keep their existing > customers happy (knowing that Contax is still going strong, waiting for the next > generation of cheaper digital slr's). I suppose Pentax needs to do the same: come > out with a nice digital slr. While not all will buy it, the existence of such > a beast will attract potential customers (low end) to the brand. Technically, a full >frame > digital slr is very high end and at 6mp the elements of the ccd are pretty > huge too (less noise etc). I am prepared to see wonderful results from such a camera. > Did we not want a full frame Pentax too a while back ? > I am sure a lot of newspaper photographers will be using the new Contax. > Here in Finland the larger newspapers have all gone digital slr. They even > have their photo archives fully digital now (scanned all the old "keeper" negatives). > The reporters can send in their stories (including all pictures) by cellular phones, > from the site of action. > To conclude, I think the Contax digital slr is more like a marketing tool than > a tool for those who don't really need/afford it. > Antti-Pekka - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR
But we were talking about "photographers who are already using the Contax 645". If they wanted smaller and lighter they would not be using the 645. You yourself said that these users are considered studio users. > -Original Message- > From: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 07 March 2002 14:30 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR > > > On Thursday, March 7, 2002, at 07:02 AM, Rob Brigham wrote: > > > Would they not just put the digital back on their 645? > > Size and weight -- most digital SLRs are considered photojournalism > cameras, while digital backs on 645s are considered studio cameras. > > Also, a full frame 35mm sized chip isn't very impressive if > it isn't in > a 35mm style camera using 35mm lenses. > > -Aaron > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR
On Thursday, March 7, 2002, at 07:02 AM, Rob Brigham wrote: > Would they not just put the digital back on their 645? Size and weight -- most digital SLRs are considered photojournalism cameras, while digital backs on 645s are considered studio cameras. Also, a full frame 35mm sized chip isn't very impressive if it isn't in a 35mm style camera using 35mm lenses. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR
At 06:52 7.3.2002 -0500, you wrote: >Unless Philips and Contax have really screwed up, I expect the image quality to >be noticibly better than other 6 megapixel cameras. I fully agree to this. I not think they will come out with such a camera if the image quality is a problem. Antti-Pekka --- * Antti-Pekka Virjonen * Fiskarsinkatu 7 D * GSM: +358 400 789753 * * Computec Oy Turku* FIN-20750 Turku Finland * Fax: +358 2 413 * - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR
Rob Brigham wrote: >Would they not just put the digital back on their 645? They certainly could. But if you think the N1-D is expensive... -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR
At 12:19 7.3.2002 +0100, Pål wrote: >But in the past Contax made ridiculously well made cameras and lenses. The latest >efforts are nothing more than Canon clones, plastic and all with the difference that >it cost twice as much as Canon. Ok, I should take a look at the new Contaxes (at least the AF models). All the Contax cameras I have handled have been well made... so I cannot comment about the look and feel of the newer models. >You mean selling a completely uncompetitive digital cameras? >I suspect that the latter Kyocera business idea is to sell cheap consumer grade stuff >like the rest. They will come No, I meant they want to show their intentions to come out with digital slr cameras. If the first one is high priced does not matter that much. It may be good to come out with a high price high spec model first (so people will go aahhss.. and ohhhss.. ) and then introduce cheaper "comsumer" models later, but only time will tell how they will succeed. >But the existing Contax users have lenses that doesn't fit the digital slr. The only >happy ones are those that use the N1. And how many are there of those? 2000? It would be nice to know how many they have sold... And not only those who use the N1, but also the 645 AF model users. >Yes, we did. Exactly the same ccd as Contax users. However, Pentax figured out that >the chip was not competitive. Also, the quality they got from it wasn't good enough >for them either. I did believe it when they said the cost is too much. I am not entirely sure if I believe that the quality was not good enough. But we will never know the real reasons (except the cost). >Why? Nobody used the old film Contaxes and the Nikon and Canons, that fit all their >lenses, are much cheaper and offer 6mp as well. What photo journalist is going to buy >the Contax? Ok, maybe my example was a bit far fetched. But there still exist Contax N1 users who want to go digital. >>To conclude, I think the Contax digital slr is more like a marketing tool than >>a tool for those who don't really need/afford it. > >Absolutely. The only value of it is that Kyocera can say "we made the first full >frame 35mm digital slr". It is a very valuable marketing tool (and that is a valuable marketing slogan). Antti-Pekka --- * Antti-Pekka Virjonen * Fiskarsinkatu 7 D * GSM: +358 400 789753 * * Computec Oy Turku* FIN-20750 Turku Finland * Fax: +358 2 413 * - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR
Don't know. Could they have some reasons for not doing that? Or maybe some reasons for not wanting to do it, if they could? The Silhouette Proboscis, perhaps? Len --- -Original Message- From: Rob Brigham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 6:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR Would they not just put the digital back on their 645? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR
Would they not just put the digital back on their 645? > -Original Message- > From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 07 March 2002 11:52 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR > > > Antti-Pekka Virjonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I am sure a lot of newspaper photographers will be using the > new Contax. > > I think the main market for the Contax digital is commercial > photographers who > are already using the Contax 645. Gives them a way to get > into digital at an > almost reasonable price (by Contax standards!) because they > don't have to buy > any new lenses for it. > > Unless Philips and Contax have really screwed up, I expect > the image quality to > be noticibly better than other 6 megapixel cameras. > > >To conclude, I think the Contax digital slr is more like a > marketing tool than > >a tool for those who don't really need/afford it. > > It's that as well. > > -- > Mark Roberts > www.robertstech.com > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR
Antti-Pekka Virjonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I am sure a lot of newspaper photographers will be using the new Contax. I think the main market for the Contax digital is commercial photographers who are already using the Contax 645. Gives them a way to get into digital at an almost reasonable price (by Contax standards!) because they don't have to buy any new lenses for it. Unless Philips and Contax have really screwed up, I expect the image quality to be noticibly better than other 6 megapixel cameras. >To conclude, I think the Contax digital slr is more like a marketing tool than >a tool for those who don't really need/afford it. It's that as well. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR
Antti-Pekka wrote: >This is true, however, Contax/Zeiss prices have always been ridiculously >high and they >are still in the business. But in the past Contax made ridiculously well made cameras and lenses. The latest efforts are nothing more than Canon clones, plastic and all with the difference that it cost twice as much as Canon. >I would say that the new Contax digital slr is more like >a preview of Contax business intentions in the digital future. You mean selling a completely uncompetitive digital cameras? I suspect that the latter Kyocera business idea is to sell cheap consumer grade stuff like the rest. They will come >They are not going >to sell truckloads of them but the new digital will help them keep their >existing >customers happy (knowing that Contax is still going strong, waiting for >the next >generation of cheaper digital slr's). But the existing Contax users have lenses that doesn't fit the digital slr. The only happy ones are those that use the N1. And how many are there of those? 2000? >I suppose Pentax needs to do the same: come >out with a nice digital slr. While not all will buy it, the existence of such >a beast will attract potential customers (low end) to the brand. >Technically, a full >frame >digital slr is very high end and at 6mp the elements of the ccd are pretty >huge too (less noise etc). I am prepared to see wonderful results from >such a camera. >Did we not want a full frame Pentax too a while back ? Yes, we did. Exactly the same ccd as Contax users. However, Pentax figured out that the chip was not competitive. Also, the quality they got from it wasn't good enough for them either. >I am sure a lot of newspaper photographers will be using the new Contax. Why? Nobody used the old film Contaxes and the Nikon and Canons, that fit all their lenses, are much cheaper and offer 6mp as well. What photo journalist is going to buy the Contax? >To conclude, I think the Contax digital slr is more like a marketing tool than >a tool for those who don't really need/afford it. Absolutely. The only value of it is that Kyocera can say "we made the first full frame 35mm digital slr". Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR
Nope, it makes eight ludicrously expensive ones, and seven expensive ones ;-) 35, 45, 80, 120, 140, 210 (and two more) in 645 and 50, 100 macro, 17-35, 24-85, 28-80, 70-200, 70-300 in 35 mm (the 645 to 35mm adaptor is about 400 euro, by the way) Odd that there are no primes below 35mm, when one of the advantage of full-frame was being able to use wide-angles as wide angles. I have no doubt that this camera will sell, however, and sell well at that. If you have a product that's the best on the market, or (more importantly) perceived to be the best, you can pretty much hold your customers to ransom. Contax -- or rather Carl Zeiss -- have exactly that kind of product... I nearly was talked into buying an RX last year... then I looked at the price of a 24mm lens! -- Kristian On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 02:32 pm, Rob Brigham wrote: > From dpreview: > > "Contax will argue that you can use your excellent Contax N System > lenses (seven total) as well as all eight Contax 645 system lenses using > an adapter. Plus this digital SLR is the only one (at this time) with a > 1x focal length multiplier (it uses the 36 x 24 mm Philips 6 mp chip). > To my mind it's simply 12 to 18 months too late and overpriced." > > So that makes 15 lenses! > >> -Original Message- >> From: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: 06 March 2002 14:14 >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 06:55 AM, Pål Audun Jensen wrote: >> >>> I've heard May. Anyway, I think their are suicidal for >> releasing this >>> camera. It's way too late. It cost twice as much as 6mpix Nikon and >>> Canon full frame sensor not withstanding. And there are the >> enormous >>> selection of seven lenses available for it, all at prices >> twice or more >>> the price of any competitors. Good luck. >> >> Does it take their 645 AF lenses? I'd think that would be a drawing >> point, if slight. >> >> -Aaron >> - >> This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >> go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >> visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR
>From dpreview: "Contax will argue that you can use your excellent Contax N System lenses (seven total) as well as all eight Contax 645 system lenses using an adapter. Plus this digital SLR is the only one (at this time) with a 1x focal length multiplier (it uses the 36 x 24 mm Philips 6 mp chip). To my mind it's simply 12 to 18 months too late and overpriced." So that makes 15 lenses! > -Original Message- > From: Aaron Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 06 March 2002 14:14 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR > > > On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 06:55 AM, Pål Audun Jensen wrote: > > > I've heard May. Anyway, I think their are suicidal for > releasing this > > camera. It's way too late. It cost twice as much as 6mpix Nikon and > > Canon full frame sensor not withstanding. And there are the > enormous > > selection of seven lenses available for it, all at prices > twice or more > > the price of any competitors. Good luck. > > Does it take their 645 AF lenses? I'd think that would be a drawing > point, if slight. > > -Aaron > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR
I've heard May. Anyway, I think their are suicidal for releasing this camera. It's way too late. It cost twice as much as 6mpix Nikon and Canon full frame sensor not withstanding. And there are the enormous selection of seven lenses available for it, all at prices twice or more the price of any competitors. Good luck. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR
APRIL LAUNCH FOR CONTAX N DIGITAL SLR The Contax N Digital will be launched in the UK in April as planned, despite delays to the February launch of the six-megapixel camera onto the Japanese market. Fraser Allen, spokesman for Kyocera Yashica (UK), confirmed that the camera will be in UK shops next month. Also: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2002/page2.asp#contax - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
