Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Larry Colen]

On Feb 10, 2013, at 10:21 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just reading about this now, Larry.
> 
> Quite the harrowing experience! Glad you survived intact.
> 
> A $25 gift certificate from the cafeteria seems like minimal compensation for 
> your ordeal. Is the food at least good there?

It's not bad.  It's better than most restaurants at the same price.  Thursday, 
while they were cooking my burger I noticed some surprisingly tasty looking 
sushi, and was planning on that for Friday, and it turns out that it was not a 
regular item.  Oh well.  

I have, however, since found the place to photograph planes.  The parking lot 
of the Lowe's, and the In-n-Out burger across the street from the airport, 
pretty much even with the end of the runway, a few hundred meters off to the 
side.


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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[knarftheria...@gmail.com]

Just reading about this now, Larry.

Quite the harrowing experience! Glad you survived intact.

A $25 gift certificate from the cafeteria seems like minimal compensation for 
your ordeal. Is the food at least good there?

cheers,
frank



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From: Boris Liberman 
Sent: February 9, 2013 2/9/13
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Subject: Re: At least they didn't shoot me



On 2/5/2013 9:14 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
> I posted this story elsewhere, but since it actually has a little to
> HR offers to let me have the day off, and they'll square it with my
> boss, who knows nothing about this, but I decline.  A little later
> someone from HR shows up in my cube with a $25 card for the
> cafeteria.  The woman from HR, once again, thanks me for being so
> cooperative.  I, once again, point out that it's very easy to be
> cooperative when six people are pointing guns at you.

So, in a nut*shell* your local PD tends to err on the safe side... The 
question is - do they ever err on the unsafe side???

Boris


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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Boris Liberman]

On 2/5/2013 9:14 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

I posted this story elsewhere, but since it actually has a little to
HR offers to let me have the day off, and they'll square it with my
boss, who knows nothing about this, but I decline.  A little later
someone from HR shows up in my cube with a $25 card for the
cafeteria.  The woman from HR, once again, thanks me for being so
cooperative.  I, once again, point out that it's very easy to be
cooperative when six people are pointing guns at you.


So, in a nut*shell* your local PD tends to err on the safe side... The 
question is - do they ever err on the unsafe side???


Boris


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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[steve harley]

on 2013-02-05 24:14 Larry Colen wrote

What had happened was someone had seen "someone with a gun" in the parking lot. 
 Told the guards who went for a look, and didn't see anything. Something got logged and 
apparently the night supervisor found out about sometime around midnight, looked on the 
video and saw me with something that looked like a gun.


no physical harm, just a little traumatic stress, huh?

maybe that's why the knobs on the newer version of the Slik monopod a few of us 
have are now red — i've worried that the black one looks a bit too much like a 
sawed-off shotgun:





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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[John Sessoms]

My freshman year in college, the resident floor adviser in the dorm I 
lived in was captain of the university's rifle team & kept his rifle in 
his dorm room.


From: David J Brooks


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

When someone at the company bought a new gun, they would often
bring it in (unloaded of course) to show it off.

It certainly is a different time and place.

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Back in the mid 60's my Dad and i joined a rifle club in Scarbourogh,
now Toronto. On Saturdays when he was busy and could not drive me to
the club( single shot .22) i would board a TTC bus with my rifle, in
case, a tool box with scope and ammo. N

Not now.

Dave


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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

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liberty, and dignity while giving us less -- or even no -- security."
- Bruce Schneier

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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Mark C]

Sounds like a crazy experience. I think your HR people handled it very 
well, though they could have done better than a gift card to the company 
cafeteria. But then, I'm in HR and I probably would have just reminded 
you of the terrorism act of war exclusions in the benefit plans. :-)


Glad you made it out OK -so, did you get any good photos?

Mark



On 2/5/2013 2:14 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

I posted this story elsewhere, but since it actually has a little to do with 
photography, y'all might be amused:

I showed up at work this morning, swiped my badge at the gates, was about to go 
through when half a dozen Santa Clara policemen came charging out with guns 
drawn.  I'm standing there, trying to process the information.  Is this some 
sort of a drill? When I realize that they are talking to me, calling me by name 
and telling me to get down on the floor with my hands in plain view.

Six glocks to none, they have me outvoted, and I comply. They put cuffs on me, 
grab my stuff and hustle me into a side room, saying that they'll explain it to 
me in a moment.

 Into the wayback Sherman.

Last week, I got an email from a friend who is planning a cruise to Alaska, and 
wants to rent some good camera gear for the trip. He's planning on renting 
Pentax gear (all he has at the moment is a point and shoot, but used to shoot 
35mm Pentax/Ricoh).  He's asking me advice, we make plans for me to loan him my 
spare camera and some glass, I though some other fun toys in the car to show 
off, so that everything will be ready when we do make the plans, and if it's 
short notice, they won't be in Santa Cruz when he and I are in San Jose.

Friday night, after work, I was killing time, making several phone calls to 
various people, trying to make plans, waiting on calls back. The office is 
almost under the flight path for SJC, and I've been curious how my bigma (Sigma 
50-500) would work for that.  While I'm waiting for calls, I set up the bigma 
on my bushhawk, and wait for a plane to fly over head.  While I'm waiting, I 
try taking some shots of nearby buildings.  At some point I see some security 
guards walk past but they don't say hi, or even seem to notice me.

What had happened was someone had seen "someone with a gun" in the parking lot. 
 Told the guards who went for a look, and didn't see anything. Something got logged and 
apparently the night supervisor found out about sometime around midnight, looked on the 
video and saw me with something that looked like a gun.

... back to this morning

I explain what happened, they search my car, find the camera gear, let me out 
of the cuffs.  I show them how the bushhawk rifle stock works, and I show them, 
and the folks from HR the photos I took Saturday with that setup.

At some point I lose track of how many times the Santa Clara police, and HR ask me 
"You understand why we had to do this?".

HR offers to let me have the day off, and they'll square it with my boss, who 
knows nothing about this, but I decline.  A little later someone from HR shows 
up in my cube with a $25 card for the cafeteria.  The woman from HR, once 
again, thanks me for being so cooperative.  I, once again, point out that it's 
very easy to be cooperative when six people are pointing guns at you.

On my way home from having dinner with a friend (who explained that she can no 
longer even talk to me because it upsets her new boyfriend) I reflected on the 
place I worked my first 9 years out of college.  The president had a display of 
WWII era rifles (with firing pins removed IIRC) on display in his office (Allies, 
Japanese, & German maybe?).  One year for Christmas he bought everyone in the 
company a cheap .177 pellet rifle and we had a pellet range set up in the office.  
When I was working 60-80 hour weeks, usually until 2-4 in the morning, I would 
often take a 10 minute break by pulling out my pellet pistol and doing some target 
practice.  When someone at the company bought a new gun, they would often bring it 
in (unloaded of course) to show it off.

It certainly is a different time and place.

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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Paul Sorenson]

Yeah...late '50s...small town where nearly every male over the age of 15 
was a hunter.  We'd bring shotguns to school, keep them in our lockers 
so we could head right out to the corn fields after pheasants.


-p

On 2/5/2013 4:56 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

  When someone at the company bought a new gun, they would often bring it in 
(unloaded of course) to show it off.

It certainly is a different time and place.

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Back in the mid 60's my Dad and i joined a rifle club in Scarbourogh,
now Toronto. On Saturdays when he was busy and could not drive me to
the club( single shot .22) i would board a TTC bus with my rifle, in
case, a tool box with scope and ammo. N

Not now.

Dave






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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[P. J. Alling]

The pistol grip with removable pole stock was sold in the US as the 
Photo Sniper with a Zenit M42 mount camera body and I think an f4 or 
f5.6 300mm lens.


Some guy adapted it for use with his Canon D7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy3fYDQh-X8

That reminds me I really have to rebuild the Mechanical->Electronic 
remote adapter I built to use my Kilfitt, (I miss identified the maker 
of as Kalt before, horrible mistake really Kilfitt really did make much 
better gadgets than Kalt).


On 2/5/2013 2:51 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote:


Tue Feb 5 02:14:02 EST 2013
Larry Colen wrote:


While I'm
waiting for calls, I set up the bigma on my bushhawk, and wait for a
plane to fly over head.  While I'm waiting, I try taking some shots of
nearby buildings.

The was a Russian photo-rifle "sniper-12" that was based on Zenit SLR.


And you can see a bunch of images on google that come if
you search for "photo-rifle" in Russian:
http://goo.gl/s1mXJ

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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[David J Brooks]

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>  When someone at the company bought a new gun, they would often bring it in 
> (unloaded of course) to show it off.
>
> It certainly is a different time and place.
>
> --
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Back in the mid 60's my Dad and i joined a rifle club in Scarbourogh,
now Toronto. On Saturdays when he was busy and could not drive me to
the club( single shot .22) i would board a TTC bus with my rifle, in
case, a tool box with scope and ammo. N

Not now.

Dave
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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Zos Xavius]

I'm generally supportive of  what  that guy  is doing  with his blog.   I'm 
somewhat surprised that witholding your last name was such an issue though.

l...@red4est.com wrote:

>Yeah. I had to bitch and moan to get him to pull my last name. 
>He just didn't seem to understand that my new employer might not want
>the incident spread over a blog read by lots of people. 
>Yes people can track it back to me with work but that would at least
>require being able to spell google.
>
>Zos Xavius  wrote:
>
>>Larry you are semi famous now!
>>
>>http://www.photographyisnotacrime.com/2013/02/05/california-man-taken-down-at-gunpoint-for-photographing-airplanes/
>>
>>On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:55 PM, P. J. Alling
>> wrote:
>>> Isn't your state the same one where a major city who's name I won't
>>mention
>>> but who's initials are LA bought back a couple of "rocket launchers"
>>for
>>> $400 that you could buy in any Army/Navy store as collectables for
>>about $50
>>> a piece? Oh, and they made a big deal about getting these
>"dangerous"
>>> weapons, for all intents and purposes lengths of PVC pipe, off the
>>streets?
>>> I think you know what's happened. The inmates have taken over the
>>asylum.
>>>
>>> By the way I bought a home made "rifle" stock for cameras a few
>years
>>ago
>>> but decided that I liked the man from Uncleish Kalt camera "pistol"
>>grip
>>> with shoulder stock, I was able to find just about the same time,
>and
>>gave
>>> the homemade one to a friend, the same one who traveled to southern
>>Africa
>>> for the photo safari. He declined to take the stock because he was
>>/sure/
>>> that he'd be shot.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/5/2013 2:14 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

 I posted this story elsewhere, but since it actually has a little
>to
>>do
 with photography, y'all might be amused:

 I showed up at work this morning, swiped my badge at the gates, was
>>about
 to go through when half a dozen Santa Clara policemen came charging
>>out with
 guns drawn.  I'm standing there, trying to process the information.
>
>>Is this
 some sort of a drill? When I realize that they are talking to me,
>>calling me
 by name and telling me to get down on the floor with my hands in
>>plain view.

 Six glocks to none, they have me outvoted, and I comply. They put
>>cuffs on
 me, grab my stuff and hustle me into a side room, saying that
>>they'll
 explain it to me in a moment.

  Into the wayback Sherman.

 Last week, I got an email from a friend who is planning a cruise to
 Alaska, and wants to rent some good camera gear for the trip. He's
>>planning
 on renting Pentax gear (all he has at the moment is a point and
>>shoot, but
 used to shoot 35mm Pentax/Ricoh).  He's asking me advice, we make
>>plans for
 me to loan him my spare camera and some glass, I though some other
>>fun toys
 in the car to show off, so that everything will be ready when we do
>>make the
 plans, and if it's short notice, they won't be in Santa Cruz when
>he
>>and I
 are in San Jose.

 Friday night, after work, I was killing time, making several phone
>>calls
 to various people, trying to make plans, waiting on calls back. The
>>office
 is almost under the flight path for SJC, and I've been curious how
>>my bigma
 (Sigma 50-500) would work for that.  While I'm waiting for calls, I
>>set up
 the bigma on my bushhawk, and wait for a plane to fly over head. 
>>While I'm
 waiting, I try taking some shots of nearby buildings.  At some
>point
>>I see
 some security guards walk past but they don't say hi, or even seem
>>to notice
 me.

 What had happened was someone had seen "someone with a gun" in the
>>parking
 lot.  Told the guards who went for a look, and didn't see anything.
 Something got logged and apparently the night supervisor found out
>>about
 sometime around midnight, looked on the video and saw me with
>>something that
 looked like a gun.

 ... back to this morning

 I explain what happened, they search my car, find the camera gear,
>>let me
 out of the cuffs.  I show them how the bushhawk rifle stock works,
>>and I
 show them, and the folks from HR the photos I took Saturday with
>>that setup.

 At some point I lose track of how many times the Santa Clara
>police,
>>and
 HR ask me "You understand why we had to do this?".

 HR offers to let me have the day off, and they'll square it with my
>>boss,
 who knows nothing about this, but I decline.  A little later
>someone
>>from HR
 shows up in my cube with a $25 card for the cafeteria.  The woman
>>from HR,
 once again, thanks me for being so cooperative.  I, once again,
>>point out
 that it's very easy to be cooperative when six people are pointing
>>guns at
 you.

 On my way home from having dinner with a friend (who explained that
>>she
 can no longer even talk to me because it upse

Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[lrc]

Yeah. I had to bitch and moan to get him to pull my last name. 
He just didn't seem to understand that my new employer might not want the 
incident spread over a blog read by lots of people. 
Yes people can track it back to me with work but that would at least require 
being able to spell google.

Zos Xavius  wrote:

>Larry you are semi famous now!
>
>http://www.photographyisnotacrime.com/2013/02/05/california-man-taken-down-at-gunpoint-for-photographing-airplanes/
>
>On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:55 PM, P. J. Alling
> wrote:
>> Isn't your state the same one where a major city who's name I won't
>mention
>> but who's initials are LA bought back a couple of "rocket launchers"
>for
>> $400 that you could buy in any Army/Navy store as collectables for
>about $50
>> a piece? Oh, and they made a big deal about getting these "dangerous"
>> weapons, for all intents and purposes lengths of PVC pipe, off the
>streets?
>> I think you know what's happened. The inmates have taken over the
>asylum.
>>
>> By the way I bought a home made "rifle" stock for cameras a few years
>ago
>> but decided that I liked the man from Uncleish Kalt camera "pistol"
>grip
>> with shoulder stock, I was able to find just about the same time, and
>gave
>> the homemade one to a friend, the same one who traveled to southern
>Africa
>> for the photo safari. He declined to take the stock because he was
>/sure/
>> that he'd be shot.
>>
>>
>> On 2/5/2013 2:14 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>>
>>> I posted this story elsewhere, but since it actually has a little to
>do
>>> with photography, y'all might be amused:
>>>
>>> I showed up at work this morning, swiped my badge at the gates, was
>about
>>> to go through when half a dozen Santa Clara policemen came charging
>out with
>>> guns drawn.  I'm standing there, trying to process the information. 
>Is this
>>> some sort of a drill? When I realize that they are talking to me,
>calling me
>>> by name and telling me to get down on the floor with my hands in
>plain view.
>>>
>>> Six glocks to none, they have me outvoted, and I comply. They put
>cuffs on
>>> me, grab my stuff and hustle me into a side room, saying that
>they'll
>>> explain it to me in a moment.
>>>
>>>  Into the wayback Sherman.
>>>
>>> Last week, I got an email from a friend who is planning a cruise to
>>> Alaska, and wants to rent some good camera gear for the trip. He's
>planning
>>> on renting Pentax gear (all he has at the moment is a point and
>shoot, but
>>> used to shoot 35mm Pentax/Ricoh).  He's asking me advice, we make
>plans for
>>> me to loan him my spare camera and some glass, I though some other
>fun toys
>>> in the car to show off, so that everything will be ready when we do
>make the
>>> plans, and if it's short notice, they won't be in Santa Cruz when he
>and I
>>> are in San Jose.
>>>
>>> Friday night, after work, I was killing time, making several phone
>calls
>>> to various people, trying to make plans, waiting on calls back. The
>office
>>> is almost under the flight path for SJC, and I've been curious how
>my bigma
>>> (Sigma 50-500) would work for that.  While I'm waiting for calls, I
>set up
>>> the bigma on my bushhawk, and wait for a plane to fly over head. 
>While I'm
>>> waiting, I try taking some shots of nearby buildings.  At some point
>I see
>>> some security guards walk past but they don't say hi, or even seem
>to notice
>>> me.
>>>
>>> What had happened was someone had seen "someone with a gun" in the
>parking
>>> lot.  Told the guards who went for a look, and didn't see anything.
>>> Something got logged and apparently the night supervisor found out
>about
>>> sometime around midnight, looked on the video and saw me with
>something that
>>> looked like a gun.
>>>
>>> ... back to this morning
>>>
>>> I explain what happened, they search my car, find the camera gear,
>let me
>>> out of the cuffs.  I show them how the bushhawk rifle stock works,
>and I
>>> show them, and the folks from HR the photos I took Saturday with
>that setup.
>>>
>>> At some point I lose track of how many times the Santa Clara police,
>and
>>> HR ask me "You understand why we had to do this?".
>>>
>>> HR offers to let me have the day off, and they'll square it with my
>boss,
>>> who knows nothing about this, but I decline.  A little later someone
>from HR
>>> shows up in my cube with a $25 card for the cafeteria.  The woman
>from HR,
>>> once again, thanks me for being so cooperative.  I, once again,
>point out
>>> that it's very easy to be cooperative when six people are pointing
>guns at
>>> you.
>>>
>>> On my way home from having dinner with a friend (who explained that
>she
>>> can no longer even talk to me because it upsets her new boyfriend) I
>>> reflected on the place I worked my first 9 years out of college. 
>The
>>> president had a display of WWII era rifles (with firing pins removed
>IIRC)
>>> on display in his office (Allies, Japanese, & German maybe?).  One
>year for
>>> Christmas he bought everyone in the company a cheap .1

Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[David Parsons]

Reading through this, I was wondering why there were 6 cops dressed up
as Santa Claus until I realized Clara not Claus.

That's really nice of your HR department.  It wouldn't have surprised
me at all to hear that you had been written up instead.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I posted this story elsewhere, but since it actually has a little to do with 
> photography, y'all might be amused:
>
> I showed up at work this morning, swiped my badge at the gates, was about to 
> go through when half a dozen Santa Clara policemen came charging out with 
> guns drawn.  I'm standing there, trying to process the information.  Is this 
> some sort of a drill? When I realize that they are talking to me, calling me 
> by name and telling me to get down on the floor with my hands in plain view.
>
> Six glocks to none, they have me outvoted, and I comply. They put cuffs on 
> me, grab my stuff and hustle me into a side room, saying that they'll explain 
> it to me in a moment.
>
>  Into the wayback Sherman.
>
> Last week, I got an email from a friend who is planning a cruise to Alaska, 
> and wants to rent some good camera gear for the trip. He's planning on 
> renting Pentax gear (all he has at the moment is a point and shoot, but used 
> to shoot 35mm Pentax/Ricoh).  He's asking me advice, we make plans for me to 
> loan him my spare camera and some glass, I though some other fun toys in the 
> car to show off, so that everything will be ready when we do make the plans, 
> and if it's short notice, they won't be in Santa Cruz when he and I are in 
> San Jose.
>
> Friday night, after work, I was killing time, making several phone calls to 
> various people, trying to make plans, waiting on calls back. The office is 
> almost under the flight path for SJC, and I've been curious how my bigma 
> (Sigma 50-500) would work for that.  While I'm waiting for calls, I set up 
> the bigma on my bushhawk, and wait for a plane to fly over head.  While I'm 
> waiting, I try taking some shots of nearby buildings.  At some point I see 
> some security guards walk past but they don't say hi, or even seem to notice 
> me.
>
> What had happened was someone had seen "someone with a gun" in the parking 
> lot.  Told the guards who went for a look, and didn't see anything. Something 
> got logged and apparently the night supervisor found out about sometime 
> around midnight, looked on the video and saw me with something that looked 
> like a gun.
>
> ... back to this morning
>
> I explain what happened, they search my car, find the camera gear, let me out 
> of the cuffs.  I show them how the bushhawk rifle stock works, and I show 
> them, and the folks from HR the photos I took Saturday with that setup.
>
> At some point I lose track of how many times the Santa Clara police, and HR 
> ask me "You understand why we had to do this?".
>
> HR offers to let me have the day off, and they'll square it with my boss, who 
> knows nothing about this, but I decline.  A little later someone from HR 
> shows up in my cube with a $25 card for the cafeteria.  The woman from HR, 
> once again, thanks me for being so cooperative.  I, once again, point out 
> that it's very easy to be cooperative when six people are pointing guns at 
> you.
>
> On my way home from having dinner with a friend (who explained that she can 
> no longer even talk to me because it upsets her new boyfriend) I reflected on 
> the place I worked my first 9 years out of college.  The president had a 
> display of WWII era rifles (with firing pins removed IIRC) on display in his 
> office (Allies, Japanese, & German maybe?).  One year for Christmas he bought 
> everyone in the company a cheap .177 pellet rifle and we had a pellet range 
> set up in the office.  When I was working 60-80 hour weeks, usually until 2-4 
> in the morning, I would often take a 10 minute break by pulling out my pellet 
> pistol and doing some target practice.  When someone at the company bought a 
> new gun, they would often bring it in (unloaded of course) to show it off.
>
> It certainly is a different time and place.
>
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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Zos Xavius]

Larry you are semi famous now!

http://www.photographyisnotacrime.com/2013/02/05/california-man-taken-down-at-gunpoint-for-photographing-airplanes/

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:55 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> Isn't your state the same one where a major city who's name I won't mention
> but who's initials are LA bought back a couple of "rocket launchers" for
> $400 that you could buy in any Army/Navy store as collectables for about $50
> a piece? Oh, and they made a big deal about getting these "dangerous"
> weapons, for all intents and purposes lengths of PVC pipe, off the streets?
> I think you know what's happened. The inmates have taken over the asylum.
>
> By the way I bought a home made "rifle" stock for cameras a few years ago
> but decided that I liked the man from Uncleish Kalt camera "pistol" grip
> with shoulder stock, I was able to find just about the same time, and gave
> the homemade one to a friend, the same one who traveled to southern Africa
> for the photo safari. He declined to take the stock because he was /sure/
> that he'd be shot.
>
>
> On 2/5/2013 2:14 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>> I posted this story elsewhere, but since it actually has a little to do
>> with photography, y'all might be amused:
>>
>> I showed up at work this morning, swiped my badge at the gates, was about
>> to go through when half a dozen Santa Clara policemen came charging out with
>> guns drawn.  I'm standing there, trying to process the information.  Is this
>> some sort of a drill? When I realize that they are talking to me, calling me
>> by name and telling me to get down on the floor with my hands in plain view.
>>
>> Six glocks to none, they have me outvoted, and I comply. They put cuffs on
>> me, grab my stuff and hustle me into a side room, saying that they'll
>> explain it to me in a moment.
>>
>>  Into the wayback Sherman.
>>
>> Last week, I got an email from a friend who is planning a cruise to
>> Alaska, and wants to rent some good camera gear for the trip. He's planning
>> on renting Pentax gear (all he has at the moment is a point and shoot, but
>> used to shoot 35mm Pentax/Ricoh).  He's asking me advice, we make plans for
>> me to loan him my spare camera and some glass, I though some other fun toys
>> in the car to show off, so that everything will be ready when we do make the
>> plans, and if it's short notice, they won't be in Santa Cruz when he and I
>> are in San Jose.
>>
>> Friday night, after work, I was killing time, making several phone calls
>> to various people, trying to make plans, waiting on calls back. The office
>> is almost under the flight path for SJC, and I've been curious how my bigma
>> (Sigma 50-500) would work for that.  While I'm waiting for calls, I set up
>> the bigma on my bushhawk, and wait for a plane to fly over head.  While I'm
>> waiting, I try taking some shots of nearby buildings.  At some point I see
>> some security guards walk past but they don't say hi, or even seem to notice
>> me.
>>
>> What had happened was someone had seen "someone with a gun" in the parking
>> lot.  Told the guards who went for a look, and didn't see anything.
>> Something got logged and apparently the night supervisor found out about
>> sometime around midnight, looked on the video and saw me with something that
>> looked like a gun.
>>
>> ... back to this morning
>>
>> I explain what happened, they search my car, find the camera gear, let me
>> out of the cuffs.  I show them how the bushhawk rifle stock works, and I
>> show them, and the folks from HR the photos I took Saturday with that setup.
>>
>> At some point I lose track of how many times the Santa Clara police, and
>> HR ask me "You understand why we had to do this?".
>>
>> HR offers to let me have the day off, and they'll square it with my boss,
>> who knows nothing about this, but I decline.  A little later someone from HR
>> shows up in my cube with a $25 card for the cafeteria.  The woman from HR,
>> once again, thanks me for being so cooperative.  I, once again, point out
>> that it's very easy to be cooperative when six people are pointing guns at
>> you.
>>
>> On my way home from having dinner with a friend (who explained that she
>> can no longer even talk to me because it upsets her new boyfriend) I
>> reflected on the place I worked my first 9 years out of college.  The
>> president had a display of WWII era rifles (with firing pins removed IIRC)
>> on display in his office (Allies, Japanese, & German maybe?).  One year for
>> Christmas he bought everyone in the company a cheap .177 pellet rifle and we
>> had a pellet range set up in the office.  When I was working 60-80 hour
>> weeks, usually until 2-4 in the morning, I would often take a 10 minute
>> break by pulling out my pellet pistol and doing some target practice.  When
>> someone at the company bought a new gun, they would often bring it in
>> (unloaded of course) to show it off.
>>
>> It certainly is a different time and place.
>>
>> --
>> Larry Colen l...@red4es

Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[P. J. Alling]

Isn't your state the same one where a major city who's name I won't 
mention but who's initials are LA bought back a couple of "rocket 
launchers" for $400 that you could buy in any Army/Navy store as 
collectables for about $50 a piece? Oh, and they made a big deal about 
getting these "dangerous" weapons, for all intents and purposes lengths 
of PVC pipe, off the streets? I think you know what's happened. The 
inmates have taken over the asylum.


By the way I bought a home made "rifle" stock for cameras a few years 
ago but decided that I liked the man from Uncleish Kalt camera "pistol" 
grip with shoulder stock, I was able to find just about the same time, 
and gave the homemade one to a friend, the same one who traveled to 
southern Africa for the photo safari. He declined to take the stock 
because he was /sure/ that he'd be shot.


On 2/5/2013 2:14 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

I posted this story elsewhere, but since it actually has a little to do with 
photography, y'all might be amused:

I showed up at work this morning, swiped my badge at the gates, was about to go 
through when half a dozen Santa Clara policemen came charging out with guns 
drawn.  I'm standing there, trying to process the information.  Is this some 
sort of a drill? When I realize that they are talking to me, calling me by name 
and telling me to get down on the floor with my hands in plain view.

Six glocks to none, they have me outvoted, and I comply. They put cuffs on me, 
grab my stuff and hustle me into a side room, saying that they'll explain it to 
me in a moment.

 Into the wayback Sherman.

Last week, I got an email from a friend who is planning a cruise to Alaska, and 
wants to rent some good camera gear for the trip. He's planning on renting 
Pentax gear (all he has at the moment is a point and shoot, but used to shoot 
35mm Pentax/Ricoh).  He's asking me advice, we make plans for me to loan him my 
spare camera and some glass, I though some other fun toys in the car to show 
off, so that everything will be ready when we do make the plans, and if it's 
short notice, they won't be in Santa Cruz when he and I are in San Jose.

Friday night, after work, I was killing time, making several phone calls to 
various people, trying to make plans, waiting on calls back. The office is 
almost under the flight path for SJC, and I've been curious how my bigma (Sigma 
50-500) would work for that.  While I'm waiting for calls, I set up the bigma 
on my bushhawk, and wait for a plane to fly over head.  While I'm waiting, I 
try taking some shots of nearby buildings.  At some point I see some security 
guards walk past but they don't say hi, or even seem to notice me.

What had happened was someone had seen "someone with a gun" in the parking lot. 
 Told the guards who went for a look, and didn't see anything. Something got logged and 
apparently the night supervisor found out about sometime around midnight, looked on the 
video and saw me with something that looked like a gun.

... back to this morning

I explain what happened, they search my car, find the camera gear, let me out 
of the cuffs.  I show them how the bushhawk rifle stock works, and I show them, 
and the folks from HR the photos I took Saturday with that setup.

At some point I lose track of how many times the Santa Clara police, and HR ask me 
"You understand why we had to do this?".

HR offers to let me have the day off, and they'll square it with my boss, who 
knows nothing about this, but I decline.  A little later someone from HR shows 
up in my cube with a $25 card for the cafeteria.  The woman from HR, once 
again, thanks me for being so cooperative.  I, once again, point out that it's 
very easy to be cooperative when six people are pointing guns at you.

On my way home from having dinner with a friend (who explained that she can no 
longer even talk to me because it upsets her new boyfriend) I reflected on the 
place I worked my first 9 years out of college.  The president had a display of 
WWII era rifles (with firing pins removed IIRC) on display in his office (Allies, 
Japanese, & German maybe?).  One year for Christmas he bought everyone in the 
company a cheap .177 pellet rifle and we had a pellet range set up in the office.  
When I was working 60-80 hour weeks, usually until 2-4 in the morning, I would 
often take a 10 minute break by pulling out my pellet pistol and doing some target 
practice.  When someone at the company bought a new gun, they would often bring it 
in (unloaded of course) to show it off.

It certainly is a different time and place.

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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Steve Cottrell]

On 5/2/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Ahem:
>

Yeah but he deserved it.

And I did say 'a bit' more discerning. Not totally discerning ;-)

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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Zos Xavius]

The police officer stopped and made sure I didn't have a rifle. Fair enough. 
She never asked for my id or searched me. She was checking out a potential 
threat. I don't think she did anything wrong. Now stop and frisk is another 
story entirely

 Bill  wrote:

>On 05/02/2013 9:06 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>> 'OK Bill, you go out to talk to the Crazy, and we'll cover you from
>the car.
>> Oh, and remember to wear your vest, will you.'
>> Soft stop my ass...
>>
>You guys probably have forgotten what a soft stop is.
>Personally, I don't understand why you put up with that sort of crap 
>from your police, but it's your country, and your paranoia, so it's
>your 
>business.
>
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RE: At least they didn't shoot me

[Bob W]

> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steve Cottrell
> Sent: 05 February 2013 10:00
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> Luckily for us here, the police are a bit more discerning when it comes
> to this sort of thing. 

Ahem:


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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Bob Sullivan]

Bill,
Our problem is too many guns, especially in the wrong hands.
We recently lost a teenager who took shelter in a park on a rainy
afternoon with friends on the way home from high school..
The kid who shot her did so because it was "his" gang's park.
It makes NYC's stop and frisk laws look good.
I'd like to call out a Roman Legion to meet out some justice here.
I'll bet we wouldn't have to do more than the 2nd gang's "territory",
before the problems cleared up.  But lots of business for the undertakers...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Bill  wrote:
> On 05/02/2013 9:06 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>> 'OK Bill, you go out to talk to the Crazy, and we'll cover you from the
>> car.
>> Oh, and remember to wear your vest, will you.'
>> Soft stop my ass...
>>
> You guys probably have forgotten what a soft stop is.
> Personally, I don't understand why you put up with that sort of crap from
> your police, but it's your country, and your paranoia, so it's your
> business.
>
> bill
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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Bill]

On 05/02/2013 9:06 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

'OK Bill, you go out to talk to the Crazy, and we'll cover you from the car.
Oh, and remember to wear your vest, will you.'
Soft stop my ass...


You guys probably have forgotten what a soft stop is.
Personally, I don't understand why you put up with that sort of crap 
from your police, but it's your country, and your paranoia, so it's your 
business.


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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Bob Sullivan]

Ann, The floaters just continuing over here...  Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> But if I'd said eyesight I wouldn't have gotten your fun response :-)
> (Yes, eyesight - catarac surgery in my fairly near future)
>
> ann
>
>
> On 2/5/2013 10:39, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>> Ann,
>> It's a powerful image, 6 guys in Santa Claus suits jumping out with guns.
>> But I think our problem is more related to eyesight than dementia.
>> I can't remember the last time I had problems with that. :-)
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>
>
>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/5/2013 10:13, Bob Sullivan wrote:


 Larry,
 ...
 When I read your note, I couldn't figure out why six guys dressed like
 'Santa Claus' were after you.
 Regards,  Bob S.
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh dear, Bob, we are at the same stage in the downhill to dementia - I
>>> did
>>> TOO!
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Ann Sanfedele]

But if I'd said eyesight I wouldn't have gotten your fun response :-)
(Yes, eyesight - catarac surgery in my fairly near future)

ann

On 2/5/2013 10:39, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Ann,
It's a powerful image, 6 guys in Santa Claus suits jumping out with guns.
But I think our problem is more related to eyesight than dementia.
I can't remember the last time I had problems with that. :-)
Regards,  Bob S.





On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:



On 2/5/2013 10:13, Bob Sullivan wrote:


Larry,
...
When I read your note, I couldn't figure out why six guys dressed like
'Santa Claus' were after you.
Regards,  Bob S.


Oh dear, Bob, we are at the same stage in the downhill to dementia - I did
TOO!

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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Zos Xavius]

I had a similar even happen a year ago. I was sitting with my camera on some 
steps and IIRC I had a tamron 60-300 sp mounted on my k-7. Some lady saw me and 
thought I had a gun and called in. Soon enough a police officer stopped their 
car and started staring at me. When the female officer realized I only had a 
camera she explained why she stopped. We both got a good chuckle.

Bob Sullivan  wrote:

>Ann,
>It's a powerful image, 6 guys in Santa Claus suits jumping out with
>guns.
>But I think our problem is more related to eyesight than dementia.
>I can't remember the last time I had problems with that. :-)
>Regards,  Bob S.
>
>On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Ann Sanfedele 
>wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 2/5/2013 10:13, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>>
>>> Larry,
>>> ...
>>> When I read your note, I couldn't figure out why six guys dressed
>like
>>> 'Santa Claus' were after you.
>>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> Oh dear, Bob, we are at the same stage in the downhill to dementia -
>I did
>> TOO!
>>
>> ann
>>
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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Bob Sullivan]

Ann,
It's a powerful image, 6 guys in Santa Claus suits jumping out with guns.
But I think our problem is more related to eyesight than dementia.
I can't remember the last time I had problems with that. :-)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>
>
> On 2/5/2013 10:13, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>> Larry,
>> ...
>> When I read your note, I couldn't figure out why six guys dressed like
>> 'Santa Claus' were after you.
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> Oh dear, Bob, we are at the same stage in the downhill to dementia - I did
> TOO!
>
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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

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On Mon, Feb 04, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:
>
> I showed up at work this morning, swiped my badge at the gates, was
> about to go through when half a dozen Santa Clara policemen came
> charging out with guns drawn.  I'm standing there, trying to process
> the information.  Is this some sort of a drill? When I realize that
> they are talking to me, calling me by name and telling me to get down
> on the floor with my hands in plain view.
>
> Six glocks to none, they have me outvoted, and I comply. They put
> cuffs on me, grab my stuff and hustle me into a side room, saying that
> they'll explain it to me in a moment.

Wow, I'm *REALLY* sorry my Alaska cruise put you to so much trouble

(Does sound like you had a bit more fun than the food poisoning I had
yesterday -- not related to our lunch Saturday, so don't worry about
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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Ann Sanfedele]

On 2/5/2013 10:13, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Larry,
...
When I read your note, I couldn't figure out why six guys dressed like
'Santa Claus' were after you.
Regards,  Bob S.
Oh dear, Bob, we are at the same stage in the downhill to dementia - I 
did TOO!


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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Bob Sullivan]

Larry,
I bought a small, colapsing shoulder thingie for use with long lenses.
To Bob W's point, I've never had the courage to actually use it in public.  :-)
When I read your note, I couldn't figure out why six guys dressed like
'Santa Claus' were after you.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:34 AM, Bob W  wrote:
>> While I'm
>> waiting for calls, I set up the bigma on my bushhawk, and wait for a
>> plane to fly over head.  While I'm waiting, I try taking some shots of
>> nearby buildings.
>
> That's a great story, Larry. But I'll bet everyone who's ever considered one
> of those rifle stock things has thought about the possibilities, so I can't
> say I'm surprised other than that they waited so long to get you. Glad they
> didn't shoot you though.
>
> B
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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

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On 2013-02-05 2:14, Larry Colen wrote:

I, once again, point out that it's very easy to be cooperative when six people 
are pointing guns at you.


Probably not required, but "MARK!". :-)

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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Walt]

Santa Clara is where I stayed before I met up with you while I was out 
there, Larry.


I don't /think/ there's any correlation. But, you know, you have been 
known to associate with Kentuckians. That arouses immediate (and 
somewhat justifiable) suspicion.


Glad everything worked out OK. In my little part of the world, a 
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On 2/5/2013 1:14 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

I posted this story elsewhere, but since it actually has a little to do with 
photography, y'all might be amused:

I showed up at work this morning, swiped my badge at the gates, was about to go 
through when half a dozen Santa Clara policemen came charging out with guns 
drawn.  I'm standing there, trying to process the information.  Is this some 
sort of a drill? When I realize that they are talking to me, calling me by name 
and telling me to get down on the floor with my hands in plain view.

Six glocks to none, they have me outvoted, and I comply. They put cuffs on me, 
grab my stuff and hustle me into a side room, saying that they'll explain it to 
me in a moment.

 Into the wayback Sherman.

Last week, I got an email from a friend who is planning a cruise to Alaska, and 
wants to rent some good camera gear for the trip. He's planning on renting 
Pentax gear (all he has at the moment is a point and shoot, but used to shoot 
35mm Pentax/Ricoh).  He's asking me advice, we make plans for me to loan him my 
spare camera and some glass, I though some other fun toys in the car to show 
off, so that everything will be ready when we do make the plans, and if it's 
short notice, they won't be in Santa Cruz when he and I are in San Jose.

Friday night, after work, I was killing time, making several phone calls to 
various people, trying to make plans, waiting on calls back. The office is 
almost under the flight path for SJC, and I've been curious how my bigma (Sigma 
50-500) would work for that.  While I'm waiting for calls, I set up the bigma 
on my bushhawk, and wait for a plane to fly over head.  While I'm waiting, I 
try taking some shots of nearby buildings.  At some point I see some security 
guards walk past but they don't say hi, or even seem to notice me.

What had happened was someone had seen "someone with a gun" in the parking lot. 
 Told the guards who went for a look, and didn't see anything. Something got logged and 
apparently the night supervisor found out about sometime around midnight, looked on the 
video and saw me with something that looked like a gun.

... back to this morning

I explain what happened, they search my car, find the camera gear, let me out 
of the cuffs.  I show them how the bushhawk rifle stock works, and I show them, 
and the folks from HR the photos I took Saturday with that setup.

At some point I lose track of how many times the Santa Clara police, and HR ask me 
"You understand why we had to do this?".

HR offers to let me have the day off, and they'll square it with my boss, who 
knows nothing about this, but I decline.  A little later someone from HR shows 
up in my cube with a $25 card for the cafeteria.  The woman from HR, once 
again, thanks me for being so cooperative.  I, once again, point out that it's 
very easy to be cooperative when six people are pointing guns at you.

On my way home from having dinner with a friend (who explained that she can no 
longer even talk to me because it upsets her new boyfriend) I reflected on the 
place I worked my first 9 years out of college.  The president had a display of 
WWII era rifles (with firing pins removed IIRC) on display in his office (Allies, 
Japanese, & German maybe?).  One year for Christmas he bought everyone in the 
company a cheap .177 pellet rifle and we had a pellet range set up in the office.  
When I was working 60-80 hour weeks, usually until 2-4 in the morning, I would 
often take a 10 minute break by pulling out my pellet pistol and doing some target 
practice.  When someone at the company bought a new gun, they would often bring it 
in (unloaded of course) to show it off.

It certainly is a different time and place.

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Re: At least they didn't shoot me

[Igor Roshchin]

Tue Feb 5 02:14:02 EST 2013
Larry Colen wrote:

> While I'm
> waiting for calls, I set up the bigma on my bushhawk, and wait for a
> plane to fly over head.  While I'm waiting, I try taking some shots of
> nearby buildings.

The was a Russian photo-rifle "sniper-12" that was based on Zenit SLR.


And you can see a bunch of images on google that come if
you search for "photo-rifle" in Russian:
http://goo.gl/s1mXJ

Igor


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RE: At least they didn't shoot me

[Bob W]

> While I'm
> waiting for calls, I set up the bigma on my bushhawk, and wait for a
> plane to fly over head.  While I'm waiting, I try taking some shots of
> nearby buildings.

That's a great story, Larry. But I'll bet everyone who's ever considered one
of those rifle stock things has thought about the possibilities, so I can't
say I'm surprised other than that they waited so long to get you. Glad they
didn't shoot you though.

B



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At least they didn't shoot me

[Larry Colen]

I posted this story elsewhere, but since it actually has a little to do with 
photography, y'all might be amused:

I showed up at work this morning, swiped my badge at the gates, was about to go 
through when half a dozen Santa Clara policemen came charging out with guns 
drawn.  I'm standing there, trying to process the information.  Is this some 
sort of a drill? When I realize that they are talking to me, calling me by name 
and telling me to get down on the floor with my hands in plain view.  

Six glocks to none, they have me outvoted, and I comply. They put cuffs on me, 
grab my stuff and hustle me into a side room, saying that they'll explain it to 
me in a moment.

 Into the wayback Sherman.

Last week, I got an email from a friend who is planning a cruise to Alaska, and 
wants to rent some good camera gear for the trip. He's planning on renting 
Pentax gear (all he has at the moment is a point and shoot, but used to shoot 
35mm Pentax/Ricoh).  He's asking me advice, we make plans for me to loan him my 
spare camera and some glass, I though some other fun toys in the car to show 
off, so that everything will be ready when we do make the plans, and if it's 
short notice, they won't be in Santa Cruz when he and I are in San Jose.

Friday night, after work, I was killing time, making several phone calls to 
various people, trying to make plans, waiting on calls back. The office is 
almost under the flight path for SJC, and I've been curious how my bigma (Sigma 
50-500) would work for that.  While I'm waiting for calls, I set up the bigma 
on my bushhawk, and wait for a plane to fly over head.  While I'm waiting, I 
try taking some shots of nearby buildings.  At some point I see some security 
guards walk past but they don't say hi, or even seem to notice me.

What had happened was someone had seen "someone with a gun" in the parking lot. 
 Told the guards who went for a look, and didn't see anything. Something got 
logged and apparently the night supervisor found out about sometime around 
midnight, looked on the video and saw me with something that looked like a gun. 
 

... back to this morning

I explain what happened, they search my car, find the camera gear, let me out 
of the cuffs.  I show them how the bushhawk rifle stock works, and I show them, 
and the folks from HR the photos I took Saturday with that setup.

At some point I lose track of how many times the Santa Clara police, and HR ask 
me "You understand why we had to do this?".

HR offers to let me have the day off, and they'll square it with my boss, who 
knows nothing about this, but I decline.  A little later someone from HR shows 
up in my cube with a $25 card for the cafeteria.  The woman from HR, once 
again, thanks me for being so cooperative.  I, once again, point out that it's 
very easy to be cooperative when six people are pointing guns at you.

On my way home from having dinner with a friend (who explained that she can no 
longer even talk to me because it upsets her new boyfriend) I reflected on the 
place I worked my first 9 years out of college.  The president had a display of 
WWII era rifles (with firing pins removed IIRC) on display in his office 
(Allies, Japanese, & German maybe?).  One year for Christmas he bought everyone 
in the company a cheap .177 pellet rifle and we had a pellet range set up in 
the office.  When I was working 60-80 hour weeks, usually until 2-4 in the 
morning, I would often take a 10 minute break by pulling out my pellet pistol 
and doing some target practice.  When someone at the company bought a new gun, 
they would often bring it in (unloaded of course) to show it off.

It certainly is a different time and place.

--
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