Re: Ball head question my answer

[Larry Colen]

I was poking around and had almost rationalized dropping $120 on the Benro 
HD3A.  It’s a pan-tilt which takes arca-swiss plates, rated at 26lbs/12kg.  In 
the process the Induro PHQ3 came up in my search.  I’ve had really good luck 
with Benro/Induro (same company) in that their gear is a great value for the 
money.

https://indurogear.com/phq3-5-way-panhead/

The PHQ3 has a few advantages over the HD3A.  First of all, it’s rated at 
32lbs/16kg, a third more than the HD3A. It also has several levels on it, not a 
big deal, but it can be handy.  The other advantage is that in addition to 
being able to rotate where it mounts to the tripod, there is also another 
rotation plate where it mounts to the camera, so whether or not the tripod is 
level, once you get the camera level, you can make level panoramas.  This could 
save me a lot of time because trying to level the tripod by adjusting the legs 
is a consistent pain in my tuchas.  

The downside of the PHQ3 is that rather than listing for $125 it lists for 
$280, but Samy’s had an “open box” special on sale for $180.  Having missed out 
on several things I’ve wanted over the years by making the financially prudent 
choice in the moment, I decided that camera stability was more important than 
financial stability.


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Re: Ball head question

[Larry Colen]

> On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Toine  wrote:
> 
> Why not use a manfrotto 3 way pan tilt head. something like
> https://www.amazon.com/Manfrotto-804RC2-Basic-Release-200PL-14/dp/B000K86664
> They are strong enough to do without balancing.

That’s not rated for as much weight as my Benro BH3, but the problem is that 
I’ve switched from manfrotto QR plates to Arca Swiss. When I went to upgrade 
the last time I found that there was an upper limit to the ratings of the 
manfrotto QR compatible gear.



 It turns out that Benro now makes an Arca-swiss compatible pan tilt head: 
https://benrousa.com/benro-hd3a-3-way-pan-head/

It’s rated for 26 pounds, which isn’t bad and is available for under $120, 

Here it is on the warrior chick site
https://www.amazon.com/Benro-HD3A-3-way-Pan-Head/dp/B079QNPVPB

> 
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 at 05:12, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> I suspect that in theory the tripod mount foot on most telephotos is pretty 
>> close to where they think the center of gravity will be when it’s mounted on 
>> a camera.
>> 
>> When I’m using a ball head I find that this is very rarely the case.  I was 
>> thinking that if I had a really long arca swiss plate on my lens, I could 
>> attach it much closer to the balance point.  However I suspect that If I’m 
>> shooting at anything not very close to level, it would no longer be that 
>> well balanced.
>> 
>> Is there a good solution other than dropping $BIGNUM on a gimbal mount?
>> 
>> In a related question, When I’m doing astrophotography, I’ve found that a 
>> pan/tilt head makes it a lot easier because I can adjust one axis at a time 
>> and not risk entirely losing my aim.  I have accomplished this by putting an 
>> Arca-swiss ballhead on one of my tiltall tripods.  Are there any decent 
>> tilt-pan arca-swiss tripod heads?  Preferably ones that aren’t outrageously 
>> expensive?
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Ball head question

[Paul Stenquist]

I used to use a pan/tilt head much like this for shooting cars. Solid platform 
and it makes me think about framing. But not good when you have to keep up with 
critters.

Paul

> On Dec 28, 2020, at 3:42 PM, Toine  wrote:
> 
> Why not use a manfrotto 3 way pan tilt head. something like
> https://www.amazon.com/Manfrotto-804RC2-Basic-Release-200PL-14/dp/B000K86664
> They are strong enough to do without balancing.
> 
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 at 05:12, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> I suspect that in theory the tripod mount foot on most telephotos is pretty 
>> close to where they think the center of gravity will be when it’s mounted on 
>> a camera.
>> 
>> When I’m using a ball head I find that this is very rarely the case.  I was 
>> thinking that if I had a really long arca swiss plate on my lens, I could 
>> attach it much closer to the balance point.  However I suspect that If I’m 
>> shooting at anything not very close to level, it would no longer be that 
>> well balanced.
>> 
>> Is there a good solution other than dropping $BIGNUM on a gimbal mount?
>> 
>> In a related question, When I’m doing astrophotography, I’ve found that a 
>> pan/tilt head makes it a lot easier because I can adjust one axis at a time 
>> and not risk entirely losing my aim.  I have accomplished this by putting an 
>> Arca-swiss ballhead on one of my tiltall tripods.  Are there any decent 
>> tilt-pan arca-swiss tripod heads?  Preferably ones that aren’t outrageously 
>> expensive?
>> 
>> --
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>> l...@red4est.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: Ball head question

[Paul Stenquist]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/822264-REG

Paul

> On Dec 28, 2020, at 5:41 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:
> 
> Which one Paul?
> 
>> On December 28, 2020 1:23:23 PM PST, Paul Stenquist 
>>  wrote:
>> This is the ball head I use. It’s rated for up to 50 pound loads. Very
>> smooth and it locks securely.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
 On Dec 28, 2020, at 3:17 PM, John  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think anyone makes a ball head substantial enough for the FA
>> 600.
>>> 
>> follow the directions.
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Re: Ball head question

[lrc]

Which one Paul?

On December 28, 2020 1:23:23 PM PST, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:
>This is the ball head I use. It’s rated for up to 50 pound loads. Very
>smooth and it locks securely.
>
>Paul
>
>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 3:17 PM, John  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think anyone makes a ball head substantial enough for the FA
>600.
>> 
>> I did a quick search online looking for the gimbal head I bought when
>I got the FA 600. I bought the one I did because my local Pentax dealer
>had it in stock & helped me set the balance.
>> 
>> B has it for $389.90: (IIRC, I paid about $350)
>> 
>>
>https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/877643-REG/Sirui_BSRPH20_PH_20_Professional_Gimbal_Head.html
>> 
>> But B has gimbal heads starting as low as $59.95:
>> 
>>
>https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1458852-REG/magnus_gh_m1_gimbal_head.html
>> 
>> ... and about a half dozen more for less than $200.
>> 
>> You might also take a look at KEH & Amazon.
>> 
>> A gimbal mount might not set you back the $BIGNUM you're expecting.
>> 
>>> On 12/28/2020 11:38:22, Ken Waller wrote:
>>> Larry, I have longer Arca Swiss plate on my 600 FA, when used on my
>Kirk King
>>> Cobra gimbal head the lens effectively becomes weightless. If the
>plate is
>>> used effectively the angle of the lens should have no effect on the
>balance. The length of the plate needed depends on the lens it is used
>on.
>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Larry Colen  Sent: Dec 27, 2020 11:11 PM To:
>>>> Pentax-Discuss Mail List  Subject: Ball head
>question
>>>> I suspect that in theory the tripod mount foot on most telephotos
>is pretty
>>>> close to where they think the center of gravity will be when it’s
>mounted
>>>> on a camera.
>>>> When I’m using a ball head I find that this is very rarely the
>case.  I was
>>>> thinking that if I had a really long arca swiss plate on my lens, I
>could
>>>> attach it much closer to the balance point.  However I suspect that
>If I’m
>>>> shooting at anything not very close to level, it would no longer be
>that
>>>> well balanced.
>>>> Is there a good solution other than dropping $BIGNUM on a gimbal
>mount?
>>>> In a related question, When I’m doing astrophotography, I’ve found
>that a
>>>> pan/tilt head makes it a lot easier because I can adjust one axis
>at a time
>>>> and not risk entirely losing my aim.  I have accomplished this by
>putting
>>>> an Arca-swiss ballhead on one of my tiltall tripods.  Are there any
>decent
>>>> tilt-pan arca-swiss tripod heads?  Preferably ones that aren’t
>outrageously
>>>> expensive?
>>>> -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
>> 
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Re: Ball head question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I don't worry too much about the balance. If you have a ball head capable of 
properly supporting a longish lens, it should lock securely no matter what. 

A ball head is not generally the best for a long tele lens. I've used one with 
my mirror 600mm because it's light and short, but it's suboptimal. The one I 
like to use the most is the Arca-Swiss Monoball P0 Hybrid ... this allows me to 
rough in a position and then adjust the position with precision using the two 
goniometers and rotating top mount. But it's an expensive head (about $900). It 
works well for astrophotography of bright subjects (the Moon and Jupiter, for 
example) where I can usually get away with a sunlight exposure... If I were 
doing long exposures with dim subjects, I'd buy an equatorial clock drive 
mount. 

For a 400-600 mm refractor lens like the big Pentax guns, a gimbal mount is the 
right support. And with these, getting the balance point adjusted close to the 
center of mass makes it easier to control them as they are designed for 
movement and panning ... a long mounting plate helps. (The plate I have for my 
Olympus 50-200mm lens (often used with the matched 1.4x teleconverter so an 
effective 560ish mm lens) is about seven inches long because that lens 
telescopes about 5 inches through the zoom range and I often want to adjust it 
if I'm trying to track a moving subject. I use the Acratech GP1 head in a 
"limited" gimbal mount orientation for that lens. 

G
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Re: Ball head question

[Paul Stenquist]

This is the ball head I use. It’s rated for up to 50 pound loads. Very smooth 
and it locks securely.

Paul

> On Dec 28, 2020, at 3:17 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> I don't think anyone makes a ball head substantial enough for the FA 600.
> 
> I did a quick search online looking for the gimbal head I bought when I got 
> the FA 600. I bought the one I did because my local Pentax dealer had it in 
> stock & helped me set the balance.
> 
> B has it for $389.90: (IIRC, I paid about $350)
> 
> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/877643-REG/Sirui_BSRPH20_PH_20_Professional_Gimbal_Head.html
> 
> But B has gimbal heads starting as low as $59.95:
> 
> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1458852-REG/magnus_gh_m1_gimbal_head.html
> 
> ... and about a half dozen more for less than $200.
> 
> You might also take a look at KEH & Amazon.
> 
> A gimbal mount might not set you back the $BIGNUM you're expecting.
> 
>> On 12/28/2020 11:38:22, Ken Waller wrote:
>> Larry, I have longer Arca Swiss plate on my 600 FA, when used on my Kirk King
>> Cobra gimbal head the lens effectively becomes weightless. If the plate is
>> used effectively the angle of the lens should have no effect on the balance. 
>> The length of the plate needed depends on the lens it is used on.
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Larry Colen  Sent: Dec 27, 2020 11:11 PM To:
>>> Pentax-Discuss Mail List  Subject: Ball head question
>>> I suspect that in theory the tripod mount foot on most telephotos is pretty
>>> close to where they think the center of gravity will be when it’s mounted
>>> on a camera.
>>> When I’m using a ball head I find that this is very rarely the case.  I was
>>> thinking that if I had a really long arca swiss plate on my lens, I could
>>> attach it much closer to the balance point.  However I suspect that If I’m
>>> shooting at anything not very close to level, it would no longer be that
>>> well balanced.
>>> Is there a good solution other than dropping $BIGNUM on a gimbal mount?
>>> In a related question, When I’m doing astrophotography, I’ve found that a
>>> pan/tilt head makes it a lot easier because I can adjust one axis at a time
>>> and not risk entirely losing my aim.  I have accomplished this by putting
>>> an Arca-swiss ballhead on one of my tiltall tripods.  Are there any decent
>>> tilt-pan arca-swiss tripod heads?  Preferably ones that aren’t outrageously
>>> expensive?
>>> -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com
> 
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Re: Ball head question

[Toine]

Why not use a manfrotto 3 way pan tilt head. something like
https://www.amazon.com/Manfrotto-804RC2-Basic-Release-200PL-14/dp/B000K86664
They are strong enough to do without balancing.

On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 at 05:12, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
> I suspect that in theory the tripod mount foot on most telephotos is pretty 
> close to where they think the center of gravity will be when it’s mounted on 
> a camera.
>
> When I’m using a ball head I find that this is very rarely the case.  I was 
> thinking that if I had a really long arca swiss plate on my lens, I could 
> attach it much closer to the balance point.  However I suspect that If I’m 
> shooting at anything not very close to level, it would no longer be that well 
> balanced.
>
> Is there a good solution other than dropping $BIGNUM on a gimbal mount?
>
> In a related question, When I’m doing astrophotography, I’ve found that a 
> pan/tilt head makes it a lot easier because I can adjust one axis at a time 
> and not risk entirely losing my aim.  I have accomplished this by putting an 
> Arca-swiss ballhead on one of my tiltall tripods.  Are there any decent 
> tilt-pan arca-swiss tripod heads?  Preferably ones that aren’t outrageously 
> expensive?
>
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Re: Ball head question

[Ken Waller]

Larry, I have longer Arca Swiss plate on my 600 FA, when used on my Kirk King 
Cobra gimbal head the lens effectively becomes weightless. If the plate is used 
effectively the angle of the lens should have no effect on the balance.
The length of the plate needed depends on the lens it is used on.

-Original Message-
>From: Larry Colen 
>Sent: Dec 27, 2020 11:11 PM
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>Subject: Ball head question
>
>I suspect that in theory the tripod mount foot on most telephotos is pretty 
>close to where they think the center of gravity will be when it’s mounted on a 
>camera. 
>
>When I’m using a ball head I find that this is very rarely the case.  I was 
>thinking that if I had a really long arca swiss plate on my lens, I could 
>attach it much closer to the balance point.  However I suspect that If I’m 
>shooting at anything not very close to level, it would no longer be that well 
>balanced.
>
>Is there a good solution other than dropping $BIGNUM on a gimbal mount?
>
>In a related question, When I’m doing astrophotography, I’ve found that a 
>pan/tilt head makes it a lot easier because I can adjust one axis at a time 
>and not risk entirely losing my aim.  I have accomplished this by putting an 
>Arca-swiss ballhead on one of my tiltall tripods.  Are there any decent 
>tilt-pan arca-swiss tripod heads?  Preferably ones that aren’t outrageously 
>expensive?
> 
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Re: Ball head question

[John]

I don't think anyone makes a ball head substantial enough for the FA 600.

I did a quick search online looking for the gimbal head I bought when I got the 
FA 600. I bought the one I did because my local Pentax dealer had it in stock & 
helped me set the balance.


B has it for $389.90: (IIRC, I paid about $350)

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/877643-REG/Sirui_BSRPH20_PH_20_Professional_Gimbal_Head.html

But B has gimbal heads starting as low as $59.95:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1458852-REG/magnus_gh_m1_gimbal_head.html

... and about a half dozen more for less than $200.

You might also take a look at KEH & Amazon.

A gimbal mount might not set you back the $BIGNUM you're expecting.

On 12/28/2020 11:38:22, Ken Waller wrote:

Larry, I have longer Arca Swiss plate on my 600 FA, when used on my Kirk King
Cobra gimbal head the lens effectively becomes weightless. If the plate is
used effectively the angle of the lens should have no effect on the balance. 
The length of the plate needed depends on the lens it is used on.


-Original Message-

From: Larry Colen  Sent: Dec 27, 2020 11:11 PM To:
Pentax-Discuss Mail List  Subject: Ball head question

I suspect that in theory the tripod mount foot on most telephotos is pretty
close to where they think the center of gravity will be when it’s mounted
on a camera.

When I’m using a ball head I find that this is very rarely the case.  I was
thinking that if I had a really long arca swiss plate on my lens, I could
attach it much closer to the balance point.  However I suspect that If I’m
shooting at anything not very close to level, it would no longer be that
well balanced.

Is there a good solution other than dropping $BIGNUM on a gimbal mount?

In a related question, When I’m doing astrophotography, I’ve found that a
pan/tilt head makes it a lot easier because I can adjust one axis at a time
and not risk entirely losing my aim.  I have accomplished this by putting
an Arca-swiss ballhead on one of my tiltall tripods.  Are there any decent
tilt-pan arca-swiss tripod heads?  Preferably ones that aren’t outrageously
expensive?

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Re: Ball head question

[Paul Stenquist]

I find that a stout ball head works fine for shooting birds. My D FA 150-450 
plus DA 1.4X on the K-1 with battery grip balances nicely and the ball head 
allows ample movement. My Arca plate is long enough to allow about an inch of 
adjusts.

Paul

> On Dec 28, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Sasha Sobol  wrote:
> 
> Wibmerly mh-100 is not very expensive (this my main “ball head” now).
> 
> Sasha
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 9:48 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't worry too much about the balance. If you have a ball head capable
>> of properly supporting a longish lens, it should lock securely no matter
>> what.
>> 
>> A ball head is not generally the best for a long tele lens. I've used one
>> with my mirror 600mm because it's light and short, but it's suboptimal. The
>> one I like to use the most is the Arca-Swiss Monoball P0 Hybrid ... this
>> allows me to rough in a position and then adjust the position with
>> precision using the two goniometers and rotating top mount. But it's an
>> expensive head (about $900). It works well for astrophotography of bright
>> subjects (the Moon and Jupiter, for example) where I can usually get away
>> with a sunlight exposure... If I were doing long exposures with dim
>> subjects, I'd buy an equatorial clock drive mount.
>> 
>> For a 400-600 mm refractor lens like the big Pentax guns, a gimbal mount
>> is the right support. And with these, getting the balance point adjusted
>> close to the center of mass makes it easier to control them as they are
>> designed for movement and panning ... a long mounting plate helps. (The
>> plate I have for my Olympus 50-200mm lens (often used with the matched 1.4x
>> teleconverter so an effective 560ish mm lens) is about seven inches long
>> because that lens telescopes about 5 inches through the zoom range and I
>> often want to adjust it if I'm trying to track a moving subject. I use the
>> Acratech GP1 head in a "limited" gimbal mount orientation for that lens.
>> 
>> G
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Re: Ball head question

[Sasha Sobol]

Wibmerly mh-100 is not very expensive (this my main “ball head” now).

Sasha

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 9:48 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi 
wrote:

> I don't worry too much about the balance. If you have a ball head capable
> of properly supporting a longish lens, it should lock securely no matter
> what.
>
> A ball head is not generally the best for a long tele lens. I've used one
> with my mirror 600mm because it's light and short, but it's suboptimal. The
> one I like to use the most is the Arca-Swiss Monoball P0 Hybrid ... this
> allows me to rough in a position and then adjust the position with
> precision using the two goniometers and rotating top mount. But it's an
> expensive head (about $900). It works well for astrophotography of bright
> subjects (the Moon and Jupiter, for example) where I can usually get away
> with a sunlight exposure... If I were doing long exposures with dim
> subjects, I'd buy an equatorial clock drive mount.
>
> For a 400-600 mm refractor lens like the big Pentax guns, a gimbal mount
> is the right support. And with these, getting the balance point adjusted
> close to the center of mass makes it easier to control them as they are
> designed for movement and panning ... a long mounting plate helps. (The
> plate I have for my Olympus 50-200mm lens (often used with the matched 1.4x
> teleconverter so an effective 560ish mm lens) is about seven inches long
> because that lens telescopes about 5 inches through the zoom range and I
> often want to adjust it if I'm trying to track a moving subject. I use the
> Acratech GP1 head in a "limited" gimbal mount orientation for that lens.
>
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Re: Ball head question

[Bill]

From: Larry Colen 
Sent: Dec 27, 2020 11:11 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Subject: Ball head question

I suspect that in theory the tripod mount foot on most telephotos is pretty 
close to where they think the center of gravity will be when it’s mounted on a 
camera.

When I’m using a ball head I find that this is very rarely the case.  


I can only speak to the lenses I own, but I have found this is rarely 
the case.

Note the length of the plate under my A*600/5.6

https://www.flickr.com/photos/11819824@N03/50171571922/in/dateposted-public/

The tripod mount is on the back green chassis component, the balance 
point is right at the jamb nut locking the plate to the head.
In order to get something close to workable, I have to put the battery 
grip onto the K1`, and then it's not bad. It was never great with the 
smaller and lioghter APS-C cameras.
My A 400/5.6 is similar, albeit shorter, and my FA* 200/4 macro is also 
similar, but shorter still.

I have a little family of plates of different sizes to balance the lenses.

This is another of the things I don't understand about what Pentax was 
thinking. These are all film era lenses that would have lighter bodies 
mounted to them, yet they require something around the weight of Cotty's 
beer gut to balance them.



I was thinking that if I had a really long arca swiss plate on my lens, 
I could attach it much closer to the balance point.  However I suspect 
that If I’m shooting at anything not very close to level, it would no 
longer be that well balanced.


Is there a good solution other than dropping $BIGNUM on a gimbal mount?

In a related question, When I’m doing astrophotography, I’ve found that a 
pan/tilt head makes it a lot easier because I can adjust one axis at a time and 
not risk entirely losing my aim.  I have accomplished this by putting an 
Arca-swiss ballhead on one of my tiltall tripods.  Are there any decent 
tilt-pan arca-swiss tripod heads?  Preferably ones that aren’t outrageously 
expensive?


I think that with long lenses, a gimbal head really is the way to go. I 
have a Wimberley, based on recommendation of Ken Waller, and it is just 
fine, though it is pretty pricey.

Feisol makes a nice one that is still expensive, though not goofily so:

https://www.feisol.net/gimbals.html

It's even on sale right now..

bill



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Re: Ball head question

[Dale H. Cook]

On 12/27/2020 11:11 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



> Is there a good solution other than dropping $BIGNUM on a gimbal mount?



This may not be quite what you are looking for, but I had to build it 
for my Rokinon 650Z 650-1300mm f/8-16 telephoto lens partly because it 
moved the balance point so far:




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Re: Ball head question

[Alan C]

Larry, a good gimbal mount is only about 15% of the price of a K1!

Alan C

On 28-Dec-20 06:11 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

I suspect that in theory the tripod mount foot on most telephotos is pretty 
close to where they think the center of gravity will be when it’s mounted on a 
camera.

When I’m using a ball head I find that this is very rarely the case.  I was 
thinking that if I had a really long arca swiss plate on my lens, I could 
attach it much closer to the balance point.  However I suspect that If I’m 
shooting at anything not very close to level, it would no longer be that well 
balanced.

Is there a good solution other than dropping $BIGNUM on a gimbal mount?

In a related question, When I’m doing astrophotography, I’ve found that a 
pan/tilt head makes it a lot easier because I can adjust one axis at a time and 
not risk entirely losing my aim.  I have accomplished this by putting an 
Arca-swiss ballhead on one of my tiltall tripods.  Are there any decent 
tilt-pan arca-swiss tripod heads?  Preferably ones that aren’t outrageously 
expensive?
  
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Re: Ball head question

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 28.12.20 um 05:11 schrieb Larry Colen:


Is there a good solution other than dropping $BIGNUM on a gimbal mount?


This might do. I had one, years ago. Might even still have it. No idea
where. The kind of thing I usually find somewhere in a remote corner of
the boot when I clear out the car before trading it in.

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Re: Ball head question

[Bob Pdml]

How about a fluid head?

> On 28 Dec 2020, at 04:12, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> I suspect that in theory the tripod mount foot on most telephotos is pretty 
> close to where they think the center of gravity will be when it’s mounted on 
> a camera. 
> 
> When I’m using a ball head I find that this is very rarely the case.  I was 
> thinking that if I had a really long arca swiss plate on my lens, I could 
> attach it much closer to the balance point.  However I suspect that If I’m 
> shooting at anything not very close to level, it would no longer be that well 
> balanced.
> 
> Is there a good solution other than dropping $BIGNUM on a gimbal mount?
> 
> In a related question, When I’m doing astrophotography, I’ve found that a 
> pan/tilt head makes it a lot easier because I can adjust one axis at a time 
> and not risk entirely losing my aim.  I have accomplished this by putting an 
> Arca-swiss ballhead on one of my tiltall tripods.  Are there any decent 
> tilt-pan arca-swiss tripod heads?  Preferably ones that aren’t outrageously 
> expensive?
> 
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Ball head question

[Larry Colen]

I suspect that in theory the tripod mount foot on most telephotos is pretty 
close to where they think the center of gravity will be when it’s mounted on a 
camera. 

When I’m using a ball head I find that this is very rarely the case.  I was 
thinking that if I had a really long arca swiss plate on my lens, I could 
attach it much closer to the balance point.  However I suspect that If I’m 
shooting at anything not very close to level, it would no longer be that well 
balanced.

Is there a good solution other than dropping $BIGNUM on a gimbal mount?

In a related question, When I’m doing astrophotography, I’ve found that a 
pan/tilt head makes it a lot easier because I can adjust one axis at a time and 
not risk entirely losing my aim.  I have accomplished this by putting an 
Arca-swiss ballhead on one of my tiltall tripods.  Are there any decent 
tilt-pan arca-swiss tripod heads?  Preferably ones that aren’t outrageously 
expensive?
 
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Re: Ball Head Question

[Henk Terhell]

I had this Sirui ballhead in my hands last week in the local shop while 
waiting for a sensor cleaning. Looks like a very good choice.


Henk

Op 2018-08-27 om 21:37 schreef Mark C:

Thanks Paul.

Visted the local camera store this afternoon and they =showed me a 
Sirui K-30X which looks to be very good. Unfortunately the store was a 
mess - they were getting ready to paint the walls and had pulled all 
the merchandise off wall displays and piled it up in the aisles. So 
they were only able to find the Sirui and a Manfrotto to show me, 
though more were out there somewhere...


I'm planning on  picking up the Sirui - checking the reviews it looks 
to be very good, and has their own safety lock system for AS plates, 
which addresses the one minor concern still on my mind. After trying 
it I realized that I don't need a lever control, the oversized knob 
works fine. Overall it looks like a good ball head at a decent price.


Mark

On 8/26/2018 3:12 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I love my Sirui ball head. It’s beautifully engineered and machined. 
I have the Arca mount on it. I used The Manfrotto mount for years, 
but once I became accustomed to the Arca I much preferred it.


Paul


On Aug 26, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Mark C  wrote:

Thanks, Henk. I've never used the Arca Swiss system and appreciate 
your comments. I wondered if there was much difference and it seems 
that some AS plates have a lip on them that can be mounted against 
the back of the body, preventing it from rotating on the plate. That 
feature (which apparently is only on some plates) and the 
availability of an L bracket for the K1 led to look at Arca Swiss 
compatible heads.  I think I'll take a look at Manfrotto's offerings 
and see how they stack up.


Mark


On 8/25/2018 2:54 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:
Vanguard is not the way to go in my opinion.
I always had on my tripod a Manfrotto ball head with RC2 quick 
release plate on a 323 base plate.
This easily carries my K-1 with a  1.5 kg telelens on a collar. 
Recently I bought for flower pics a sturdy mini tripod with 
ballhead, but this has an Arca-Swiss plate system.
I found it much easier and safer to mount and unmount the camera on 
the Manfrotto RC2 system, even with one hand is possible.
So I got rid of the Arca-Swiss system. Having two systems is bad 
option.


Henk


Op 2018-08-25 om 19:12 schreef Mark C:
I'm looking to replace my old Bogen Manfrotto Grip Action ball 
head (3265). The ideal would be a ball head with a load capacity 
of at least 13 lb (the max that the legs it will be mounted on), 
panning base, lever based lock for the ball head (I find knobs to 
be too fiddly, especially wen wearing gloves), arca swiss plate 
system and reasonably light weight.


It seems that wanting a lever vs knob knocks out a lot of heads. 
Manfrotto has a lot of lever models but they do not use arca swiss 
plates. Really Right Stuff has a few but they are 2x-3x the cost 
of other brands. There is an inexpensive "Vanguard" brand that 
meets all of my requirements, but its a brand I never heard of and 
is very inexpensive, so I have doubts


Any thoughts?

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Re: Ball Head Question

[Ken Waller]

I’ve never dropped a camera from having the plate come free, or had one 
slide out of a clamp. Just pay attention and it won’t happen.


I agree with Godders on the A-S system - I've been using them for over 20 
years with no issues.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" 

Subject: Re: Ball Head Question


Most of the better A-S plates have limit stops that screw on and can be 
removed. I always remove them ... I find they get in my way.


Most of mine use a hex wrench to snug them, but some have a coin slot and 
some have a folding wing nut. I prefer the hex: it’s the most secure.


I’ve never dropped a camera from having the plate come free, or had one 
slide out of a clamp. Just pay attention and it won’t happen.


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On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:54 PM, Mark C  wrote:

That's an interesting video and it touches on some of the concerns I had 
with the AS plate system, namely whether it has a safety catch that would 
prevent accidental detachment. But I watched some videos of the AS system 
and it seems that some of the heads - or maybe its a factor of the 
plate - have a safety catch the keeps a loose plate from falling off the 
head. Having to use a hex tool instead of a d-ring / wing nut type 
tightening setup was also a concern for me, but it looks like there are 
AS plates with d-ring type tighteners. It seems that in terms of variety 
of plates available, the AS system offers a lot of options. I didn't know 
about the many accessories that you can get that can also mount on AS 
plates - like macro flash brackets - that look pretty interesting.  I'm 
going to visit the local camera shop this afternoon and try some things 
out first hand.


Mark


On 8/26/2018 5:14 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:
I realize the AS system is getting far more popular these days than the 
Manfrotto system.
But I struggled with it in the field and felt unsecure about dropping my 
camera.
Then I decided to stay only with Manfrotto system influenced after 
seeing Northrup's YouTube video on travel tripods, discussing quick 
release plates:

https://youtu.be/p37OLkOSN70



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Re: Ball Head Question

[Paul Stenquist]

I’m glad you liked it. I have the K-40X, which is a bit of overkill, but I feel 
as though the larger ball gives me smoother motion. Might be all in my head. 
Amazon has the K-30X for 144.99, and the K-40X for 166.99. The 40X weighs .4 
pound more, but with my long lens setup that’s pretty much irrelevant given the 
weight of everything else. 

> On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:37 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Paul.
> 
> Visted the local camera store this afternoon and they =showed me a Sirui 
> K-30X which looks to be very good. Unfortunately the store was a mess - they 
> were getting ready to paint the walls and had pulled all the merchandise off 
> wall displays and piled it up in the aisles. So they were only able to find 
> the Sirui and a Manfrotto to show me, though more were out there somewhere...
> 
> I'm planning on  picking up the Sirui - checking the reviews it looks to be 
> very good, and has their own safety lock system for AS plates, which 
> addresses the one minor concern still on my mind. After trying it I realized 
> that I don't need a lever control, the oversized knob works fine. Overall it 
> looks like a good ball head at a decent price.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 8/26/2018 3:12 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> I love my Sirui ball head. It’s beautifully engineered and machined. I have 
>> the Arca mount on it. I used The Manfrotto mount for years, but once I 
>> became accustomed to the Arca I much preferred it.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On Aug 26, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Mark C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Henk. I've never used the Arca Swiss system and appreciate your 
>>> comments. I wondered if there was much difference and it seems that some AS 
>>> plates have a lip on them that can be mounted against the back of the body, 
>>> preventing it from rotating on the plate. That feature (which apparently is 
>>> only on some plates) and the availability of an L bracket for the K1 led to 
>>> look at Arca Swiss compatible heads.  I think I'll take a look at 
>>> Manfrotto's offerings and see how they stack up.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
 On 8/25/2018 2:54 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:
 Vanguard is not the way to go in my opinion.
 I always had on my tripod a Manfrotto ball head with RC2 quick release 
 plate on a 323 base plate.
 This easily carries my K-1 with a  1.5 kg telelens on a collar. Recently I 
 bought for flower pics a sturdy mini tripod with ballhead, but this has an 
 Arca-Swiss plate system.
 I found it much easier and safer to mount and unmount the camera on the 
 Manfrotto RC2 system, even with one hand is possible.
 So I got rid of the Arca-Swiss system. Having two systems is bad option.
 
 Henk
 
 
 Op 2018-08-25 om 19:12 schreef Mark C:
> I'm looking to replace my old Bogen Manfrotto Grip Action ball head 
> (3265). The ideal would be a ball head with a load capacity of at least 
> 13 lb (the max that the legs it will be mounted on), panning base, lever 
> based lock for the ball head (I find knobs to be too fiddly, especially 
> wen wearing gloves), arca swiss plate system and reasonably light weight.
> 
> It seems that wanting a lever vs knob knocks out a lot of heads. 
> Manfrotto has a lot of lever models but they do not use arca swiss 
> plates. Really Right Stuff has a few but they are 2x-3x the cost of other 
> brands. There is an inexpensive "Vanguard" brand that meets all of my 
> requirements, but its a brand I never heard of and is very inexpensive, 
> so I have doubts
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
 
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Re: Ball Head Question

[Mark C]

Thanks Paul.

Visted the local camera store this afternoon and they =showed me a Sirui 
K-30X which looks to be very good. Unfortunately the store was a mess - 
they were getting ready to paint the walls and had pulled all the 
merchandise off wall displays and piled it up in the aisles. So they 
were only able to find the Sirui and a Manfrotto to show me, though more 
were out there somewhere...


I'm planning on  picking up the Sirui - checking the reviews it looks to 
be very good, and has their own safety lock system for AS plates, which 
addresses the one minor concern still on my mind. After trying it I 
realized that I don't need a lever control, the oversized knob works 
fine. Overall it looks like a good ball head at a decent price.


Mark

On 8/26/2018 3:12 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I love my Sirui ball head. It’s beautifully engineered and machined. I have the 
Arca mount on it. I used The Manfrotto mount for years, but once I became 
accustomed to the Arca I much preferred it.

Paul


On Aug 26, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Mark C  wrote:

Thanks, Henk. I've never used the Arca Swiss system and appreciate your 
comments. I wondered if there was much difference and it seems that some AS 
plates have a lip on them that can be mounted against the back of the body, 
preventing it from rotating on the plate. That feature (which apparently is 
only on some plates) and the availability of an L bracket for the K1 led to 
look at Arca Swiss compatible heads.  I think I'll take a look at Manfrotto's 
offerings and see how they stack up.

Mark


On 8/25/2018 2:54 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:
Vanguard is not the way to go in my opinion.
I always had on my tripod a Manfrotto ball head with RC2 quick release plate on 
a 323 base plate.
This easily carries my K-1 with a  1.5 kg telelens on a collar. Recently I 
bought for flower pics a sturdy mini tripod with ballhead, but this has an 
Arca-Swiss plate system.
I found it much easier and safer to mount and unmount the camera on the 
Manfrotto RC2 system, even with one hand is possible.
So I got rid of the Arca-Swiss system. Having two systems is bad option.

Henk


Op 2018-08-25 om 19:12 schreef Mark C:

I'm looking to replace my old Bogen Manfrotto Grip Action ball head (3265). The 
ideal would be a ball head with a load capacity of at least 13 lb (the max that 
the legs it will be mounted on), panning base, lever based lock for the ball 
head (I find knobs to be too fiddly, especially wen wearing gloves), arca swiss 
plate system and reasonably light weight.

It seems that wanting a lever vs knob knocks out a lot of heads. Manfrotto has a lot of 
lever models but they do not use arca swiss plates. Really Right Stuff has a few but they 
are 2x-3x the cost of other brands. There is an inexpensive "Vanguard" brand 
that meets all of my requirements, but its a brand I never heard of and is very 
inexpensive, so I have doubts

Any thoughts?

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Re: Ball Head Question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Most of the better A-S plates have limit stops that screw on and can be 
removed. I always remove them ... I find they get in my way. 

Most of mine use a hex wrench to snug them, but some have a coin slot and some 
have a folding wing nut. I prefer the hex: it’s the most secure. 

I’ve never dropped a camera from having the plate come free, or had one slide 
out of a clamp. Just pay attention and it won’t happen. 

G
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> On Aug 27, 2018, at 3:54 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> That's an interesting video and it touches on some of the concerns I had with 
> the AS plate system, namely whether it has a safety catch that would prevent 
> accidental detachment. But I watched some videos of the AS system and it 
> seems that some of the heads - or maybe its a factor of the plate - have a 
> safety catch the keeps a loose plate from falling off the head. Having to use 
> a hex tool instead of a d-ring / wing nut type tightening setup was also a 
> concern for me, but it looks like there are AS plates with d-ring type 
> tighteners. It seems that in terms of variety of plates available, the AS 
> system offers a lot of options. I didn't know about the many accessories that 
> you can get that can also mount on AS plates - like macro flash brackets - 
> that look pretty interesting.  I'm going to visit the local camera shop this 
> afternoon and try some things out first hand.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On 8/26/2018 5:14 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:
>> I realize the AS system is getting far more popular these days than the 
>> Manfrotto system.
>> But I struggled with it in the field and felt unsecure about dropping my 
>> camera.
>> Then I decided to stay only with Manfrotto system influenced after seeing 
>> Northrup's YouTube video on travel tripods, discussing quick release plates:
>> https://youtu.be/p37OLkOSN70
>> 

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Re: Ball Head Question

[Mark C]

That's an interesting video and it touches on some of the concerns I had 
with the AS plate system, namely whether it has a safety catch that 
would prevent accidental detachment. But I watched some videos of the AS 
system and it seems that some of the heads - or maybe its a factor of 
the plate - have a safety catch the keeps a loose plate from falling off 
the head. Having to use a hex tool instead of a d-ring / wing nut type 
tightening setup was also a concern for me, but it looks like there are 
AS plates with d-ring type tighteners. It seems that in terms of variety 
of plates available, the AS system offers a lot of options. I didn't 
know about the many accessories that you can get that can also mount on 
AS plates - like macro flash brackets - that look pretty interesting.  
I'm going to visit the local camera shop this afternoon and try some 
things out first hand.


Mark

On 8/26/2018 5:14 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:
I realize the AS system is getting far more popular these days than 
the Manfrotto system.
But I struggled with it in the field and felt unsecure about dropping 
my camera.
Then I decided to stay only with Manfrotto system influenced after 
seeing Northrup's YouTube video on travel tripods, discussing quick 
release plates:

https://youtu.be/p37OLkOSN70

Henk

Op 2018-08-26 om 20:23 schreef Mark C:
Thanks, Henk. I've never used the Arca Swiss system and appreciate 
your comments. I wondered if there was much difference and it seems 
that some AS plates have a lip on them that can be mounted against 
the back of the body, preventing it from rotating on the plate. That 
feature (which apparently is only on some plates) and the 
availability of an L bracket for the K1 led to look at Arca Swiss 
compatible heads. I think I'll take a look at Manfrotto's offerings 
and see how they stack up.


Mark

On 8/25/2018 2:54 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:

Vanguard is not the way to go in my opinion.
I always had on my tripod a Manfrotto ball head with RC2 quick 
release plate on a 323 base plate.
This easily carries my K-1 with a  1.5 kg telelens on a collar. 
Recently I bought for flower pics a sturdy mini tripod with 
ballhead, but this has an Arca-Swiss plate system.
I found it much easier and safer to mount and unmount the camera on 
the Manfrotto RC2 system, even with one hand is possible.
So I got rid of the Arca-Swiss system. Having two systems is bad 
option.


Henk


Op 2018-08-25 om 19:12 schreef Mark C:
I'm looking to replace my old Bogen Manfrotto Grip Action ball head 
(3265). The ideal would be a ball head with a load capacity of at 
least 13 lb (the max that the legs it will be mounted on), panning 
base, lever based lock for the ball head (I find knobs to be too 
fiddly, especially wen wearing gloves), arca swiss plate system and 
reasonably light weight.


It seems that wanting a lever vs knob knocks out a lot of heads. 
Manfrotto has a lot of lever models but they do not use arca swiss 
plates. Really Right Stuff has a few but they are 2x-3x the cost of 
other brands. There is an inexpensive "Vanguard" brand that meets 
all of my requirements, but its a brand I never heard of and is 
very inexpensive, so I have doubts


Any thoughts?

Mark














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Re: Ball Head Question

[Larry Colen]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on 8/26/18 3:58 PM:

I switched to Arca-Swiss QR system from the Manfrotto RC2 about 17 years ago 
and have never looked back. The A-S system is far more precise and secure, even 
if it is slightly less convenient to fit and load. The problem with the 
Manfrottol RC2 is that the plates have a small amount of play in the clamps 
that make precise positioning difficult ... Enough so to really annoy at some 
point ... Where nothing like that exists in an A-S clamp and plate system.
You folks may remember that a couple weeks after I bought my K-20 I had 
it and my sigma 50-500 on a monopod with an RC2 clamp, which then 
released can dropped my camera and lens on the pavement.  Nope the RC2 
are not secure, I trust the Arca Swiss much more.


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Re: Ball Head Question

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I switched to Arca-Swiss QR system from the Manfrotto RC2 about 17 years ago 
and have never looked back. The A-S system is far more precise and secure, even 
if it is slightly less convenient to fit and load. The problem with the 
Manfrottol RC2 is that the plates have a small amount of play in the clamps 
that make precise positioning difficult ... Enough so to really annoy at some 
point ... Where nothing like that exists in an A-S clamp and plate system. 

I have a very nice Acratech Ultimate Ball Head that I'm no longer using (I 
moved to Arca-Swiss P0 and P0 Hybrid a few years back). It's in primo condition 
and I'd be happy to sell it at a fair price. It's been fitted with a RRS lever 
action clamp. I also have both Markins Q3 Emilie and an Acratech GP heads with 
A-S clamps for sale, they have the knob type clamp though. All excellent 
quality. 

G


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Re: Ball Head Question

[Bill]

No lever locks, but the Feisol ball heads have pretty large knobs. I'm 
using a CB50D (load capacity 41lb) on my small tripod and their CB70D 
(rated to 84 Lbs) on my large tripod.
Manfrotto ball heads made me swear off that type of head for a couple of 
decades. They are, from the few different ones I tried, crap. The Feisol 
ones are pretty good.


bill

On 8/25/2018 11:12 AM, Mark C wrote:
I'm looking to replace my old Bogen Manfrotto Grip Action ball head 
(3265). The ideal would be a ball head with a load capacity of at least 
13 lb (the max that the legs it will be mounted on), panning base, lever 
based lock for the ball head (I find knobs to be too fiddly, especially 
wen wearing gloves), arca swiss plate system and reasonably light weight.


It seems that wanting a lever vs knob knocks out a lot of heads. 
Manfrotto has a lot of lever models but they do not use arca swiss 
plates. Really Right Stuff has a few but they are 2x-3x the cost of 
other brands. There is an inexpensive "Vanguard" brand that meets all of 
my requirements, but its a brand I never heard of and is very 
inexpensive, so I have doubts


Any thoughts?

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Re: Ball Head Question

[Larry Colen]

My favorite travel tripod:
http://www.benrousa.com/travel-series/travel-flat.aspx


Henk Terhell wrote on 8/26/18 2:14 PM:
I realize the AS system is getting far more popular these days than the 
Manfrotto system.
But I struggled with it in the field and felt unsecure about dropping my 
camera.
Then I decided to stay only with Manfrotto system influenced after 
seeing Northrup's YouTube video on travel tripods, discussing quick 
release plates:

https://youtu.be/p37OLkOSN70

Henk

Op 2018-08-26 om 20:23 schreef Mark C:
Thanks, Henk. I've never used the Arca Swiss system and appreciate 
your comments. I wondered if there was much difference and it seems 
that some AS plates have a lip on them that can be mounted against the 
back of the body, preventing it from rotating on the plate. That 
feature (which apparently is only on some plates) and the availability 
of an L bracket for the K1 led to look at Arca Swiss compatible 
heads.  I think I'll take a look at Manfrotto's offerings and see how 
they stack up.


Mark

On 8/25/2018 2:54 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:

Vanguard is not the way to go in my opinion.
I always had on my tripod a Manfrotto ball head with RC2 quick 
release plate on a 323 base plate.
This easily carries my K-1 with a  1.5 kg telelens on a collar. 
Recently I bought for flower pics a sturdy mini tripod with ballhead, 
but this has an Arca-Swiss plate system.
I found it much easier and safer to mount and unmount the camera on 
the Manfrotto RC2 system, even with one hand is possible.

So I got rid of the Arca-Swiss system. Having two systems is bad option.

Henk


Op 2018-08-25 om 19:12 schreef Mark C:
I'm looking to replace my old Bogen Manfrotto Grip Action ball head 
(3265). The ideal would be a ball head with a load capacity of at 
least 13 lb (the max that the legs it will be mounted on), panning 
base, lever based lock for the ball head (I find knobs to be too 
fiddly, especially wen wearing gloves), arca swiss plate system and 
reasonably light weight.


It seems that wanting a lever vs knob knocks out a lot of heads. 
Manfrotto has a lot of lever models but they do not use arca swiss 
plates. Really Right Stuff has a few but they are 2x-3x the cost of 
other brands. There is an inexpensive "Vanguard" brand that meets 
all of my requirements, but its a brand I never heard of and is very 
inexpensive, so I have doubts


Any thoughts?

Mark














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Re: Ball Head Question

[Henk Terhell]

I realize the AS system is getting far more popular these days than the 
Manfrotto system.
But I struggled with it in the field and felt unsecure about dropping my 
camera.
Then I decided to stay only with Manfrotto system influenced after 
seeing Northrup's YouTube video on travel tripods, discussing quick 
release plates:

https://youtu.be/p37OLkOSN70

Henk

Op 2018-08-26 om 20:23 schreef Mark C:
Thanks, Henk. I've never used the Arca Swiss system and appreciate 
your comments. I wondered if there was much difference and it seems 
that some AS plates have a lip on them that can be mounted against the 
back of the body, preventing it from rotating on the plate. That 
feature (which apparently is only on some plates) and the availability 
of an L bracket for the K1 led to look at Arca Swiss compatible 
heads.  I think I'll take a look at Manfrotto's offerings and see how 
they stack up.


Mark

On 8/25/2018 2:54 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:

Vanguard is not the way to go in my opinion.
I always had on my tripod a Manfrotto ball head with RC2 quick 
release plate on a 323 base plate.
This easily carries my K-1 with a  1.5 kg telelens on a collar. 
Recently I bought for flower pics a sturdy mini tripod with ballhead, 
but this has an Arca-Swiss plate system.
I found it much easier and safer to mount and unmount the camera on 
the Manfrotto RC2 system, even with one hand is possible.

So I got rid of the Arca-Swiss system. Having two systems is bad option.

Henk


Op 2018-08-25 om 19:12 schreef Mark C:
I'm looking to replace my old Bogen Manfrotto Grip Action ball head 
(3265). The ideal would be a ball head with a load capacity of at 
least 13 lb (the max that the legs it will be mounted on), panning 
base, lever based lock for the ball head (I find knobs to be too 
fiddly, especially wen wearing gloves), arca swiss plate system and 
reasonably light weight.


It seems that wanting a lever vs knob knocks out a lot of heads. 
Manfrotto has a lot of lever models but they do not use arca swiss 
plates. Really Right Stuff has a few but they are 2x-3x the cost of 
other brands. There is an inexpensive "Vanguard" brand that meets 
all of my requirements, but its a brand I never heard of and is very 
inexpensive, so I have doubts


Any thoughts?

Mark











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Re: Ball Head Question

[steve harley]

On 2018-08-25 11:12, Mark C wrote:

It seems that wanting a lever vs knob knocks out a lot of heads.


i don't know if it would suit you, but i really like my Arca-Swiss P0 ball 
head, which i think was recommended here a few years ago; there is a 
packaged version with integrated lever clamp:




my P0 came as a bare head to which i attached a Sunwayfoto clamp — Sunway, 
Acratech, RRS and several others have lever clamps that you can attach to 
any bare head





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Re: Ball Head Question

[Larry Colen]

A few years back I realized my tripod head was not up to the task, and 
despite my having a big investment in RC3 I realized that the quality of 
RC3 compatible gear maxed out at "pretty good, but not good enough".


There are companies like Custom SLR that make plates which are both RC3 
and Arca Swiss Compatible.


Also a lot of QR mechanisms are attached to the head with a 3/8-16 
tread, so I was able to convert at least one of my RC3 ballheads to arca 
swiss.


There is a lot out there at all price ranges for arca swiss.

Mark C wrote on 8/26/18 11:23 AM:
Thanks, Henk. I've never used the Arca Swiss system and appreciate your 
comments. I wondered if there was much difference and it seems that some 
AS plates have a lip on them that can be mounted against the back of the 
body, preventing it from rotating on the plate. That feature (which 
apparently is only on some plates) and the availability of an L bracket 
for the K1 led to look at Arca Swiss compatible heads.  I think I'll 
take a look at Manfrotto's offerings and see how they stack up.


Mark

On 8/25/2018 2:54 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:

Vanguard is not the way to go in my opinion.
I always had on my tripod a Manfrotto ball head with RC2 quick release 
plate on a 323 base plate.
This easily carries my K-1 with a  1.5 kg telelens on a collar. 
Recently I bought for flower pics a sturdy mini tripod with ballhead, 
but this has an Arca-Swiss plate system.
I found it much easier and safer to mount and unmount the camera on 
the Manfrotto RC2 system, even with one hand is possible.

So I got rid of the Arca-Swiss system. Having two systems is bad option.

Henk


Op 2018-08-25 om 19:12 schreef Mark C:
I'm looking to replace my old Bogen Manfrotto Grip Action ball head 
(3265). The ideal would be a ball head with a load capacity of at 
least 13 lb (the max that the legs it will be mounted on), panning 
base, lever based lock for the ball head (I find knobs to be too 
fiddly, especially wen wearing gloves), arca swiss plate system and 
reasonably light weight.


It seems that wanting a lever vs knob knocks out a lot of heads. 
Manfrotto has a lot of lever models but they do not use arca swiss 
plates. Really Right Stuff has a few but they are 2x-3x the cost of 
other brands. There is an inexpensive "Vanguard" brand that meets all 
of my requirements, but its a brand I never heard of and is very 
inexpensive, so I have doubts


Any thoughts?

Mark











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Re: Ball Head Question

[Paul Stenquist]

I love my Sirui ball head. It’s beautifully engineered and machined. I have the 
Arca mount on it. I used The Manfrotto mount for years, but once I became 
accustomed to the Arca I much preferred it.

Paul

> On Aug 26, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Henk. I've never used the Arca Swiss system and appreciate your 
> comments. I wondered if there was much difference and it seems that some AS 
> plates have a lip on them that can be mounted against the back of the body, 
> preventing it from rotating on the plate. That feature (which apparently is 
> only on some plates) and the availability of an L bracket for the K1 led to 
> look at Arca Swiss compatible heads.  I think I'll take a look at Manfrotto's 
> offerings and see how they stack up.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On 8/25/2018 2:54 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:
>> Vanguard is not the way to go in my opinion.
>> I always had on my tripod a Manfrotto ball head with RC2 quick release plate 
>> on a 323 base plate.
>> This easily carries my K-1 with a  1.5 kg telelens on a collar. Recently I 
>> bought for flower pics a sturdy mini tripod with ballhead, but this has an 
>> Arca-Swiss plate system.
>> I found it much easier and safer to mount and unmount the camera on the 
>> Manfrotto RC2 system, even with one hand is possible.
>> So I got rid of the Arca-Swiss system. Having two systems is bad option.
>> 
>> Henk
>> 
>> 
>> Op 2018-08-25 om 19:12 schreef Mark C:
>>> I'm looking to replace my old Bogen Manfrotto Grip Action ball head (3265). 
>>> The ideal would be a ball head with a load capacity of at least 13 lb (the 
>>> max that the legs it will be mounted on), panning base, lever based lock 
>>> for the ball head (I find knobs to be too fiddly, especially wen wearing 
>>> gloves), arca swiss plate system and reasonably light weight.
>>> 
>>> It seems that wanting a lever vs knob knocks out a lot of heads. Manfrotto 
>>> has a lot of lever models but they do not use arca swiss plates. Really 
>>> Right Stuff has a few but they are 2x-3x the cost of other brands. There is 
>>> an inexpensive "Vanguard" brand that meets all of my requirements, but its 
>>> a brand I never heard of and is very inexpensive, so I have doubts
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: Ball Head Question

[Mark C]

Thanks, Henk. I've never used the Arca Swiss system and appreciate your 
comments. I wondered if there was much difference and it seems that some 
AS plates have a lip on them that can be mounted against the back of the 
body, preventing it from rotating on the plate. That feature (which 
apparently is only on some plates) and the availability of an L bracket 
for the K1 led to look at Arca Swiss compatible heads.  I think I'll 
take a look at Manfrotto's offerings and see how they stack up.


Mark

On 8/25/2018 2:54 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:

Vanguard is not the way to go in my opinion.
I always had on my tripod a Manfrotto ball head with RC2 quick release 
plate on a 323 base plate.
This easily carries my K-1 with a  1.5 kg telelens on a collar. 
Recently I bought for flower pics a sturdy mini tripod with ballhead, 
but this has an Arca-Swiss plate system.
I found it much easier and safer to mount and unmount the camera on 
the Manfrotto RC2 system, even with one hand is possible.

So I got rid of the Arca-Swiss system. Having two systems is bad option.

Henk


Op 2018-08-25 om 19:12 schreef Mark C:
I'm looking to replace my old Bogen Manfrotto Grip Action ball head 
(3265). The ideal would be a ball head with a load capacity of at 
least 13 lb (the max that the legs it will be mounted on), panning 
base, lever based lock for the ball head (I find knobs to be too 
fiddly, especially wen wearing gloves), arca swiss plate system and 
reasonably light weight.


It seems that wanting a lever vs knob knocks out a lot of heads. 
Manfrotto has a lot of lever models but they do not use arca swiss 
plates. Really Right Stuff has a few but they are 2x-3x the cost of 
other brands. There is an inexpensive "Vanguard" brand that meets all 
of my requirements, but its a brand I never heard of and is very 
inexpensive, so I have doubts


Any thoughts?

Mark








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Re: Ball Head Question

[Mark C]

Thanks, Larry - those are two very good suggestions. The Induro BHD1 
looks to be very close to what I want. It doesn't have a lever lock per 
se, but the knob is looks to be pretty large with good grips, so it 
should work even with gloves. I'll be taking a closer look at the Induro 
line up.


Mark

On 8/25/2018 2:02 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:

Have you checked benro/induro?  They are a great value, I go a couple of sizes 
up on the name brands and drill save money.

On August 25, 2018 10:12:12 AM PDT, Mark C  wrote:

I'm looking to replace my old Bogen Manfrotto Grip Action ball head
(3265). The ideal would be a ball head with a load capacity of at least

13 lb (the max that the legs it will be mounted on), panning base,
lever
based lock for the ball head (I find knobs to be too fiddly, especially

wen wearing gloves), arca swiss plate system and reasonably light
weight.

It seems that wanting a lever vs knob knocks out a lot of heads.
Manfrotto has a lot of lever models but they do not use arca swiss
plates. Really Right Stuff has a few but they are 2x-3x the cost of
other brands. There is an inexpensive "Vanguard" brand that meets all
of
my requirements, but its a brand I never heard of and is very
inexpensive, so I have doubts

Any thoughts?

Mark


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Re: Ball Head Question

[Jostein]

Sounds like the ballhead of your dreams is a FOBA mini-superball.
Not a cheap option though.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/247455-REG/Foba_33_0606_Mini_Superball_Plus_Ballhead.html

Jostein


Den 25.08.2018 19:12, skrev Mark C:
I'm looking to replace my old Bogen Manfrotto Grip Action ball head 
(3265). The ideal would be a ball head with a load capacity of at least 
13 lb (the max that the legs it will be mounted on), panning base, lever 
based lock for the ball head (I find knobs to be too fiddly, especially 
wen wearing gloves), arca swiss plate system and reasonably light weight.


It seems that wanting a lever vs knob knocks out a lot of heads. 
Manfrotto has a lot of lever models but they do not use arca swiss 
plates. Really Right Stuff has a few but they are 2x-3x the cost of 
other brands. There is an inexpensive "Vanguard" brand that meets all of 
my requirements, but its a brand I never heard of and is very 
inexpensive, so I have doubts


Any thoughts?

Mark




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Re: Ball Head Question

[Henk Terhell]

Vanguard is not the way to go in my opinion.
I always had on my tripod a Manfrotto ball head with RC2 quick release 
plate on a 323 base plate.
This easily carries my K-1 with a  1.5 kg telelens on a collar. Recently 
I bought for flower pics a sturdy mini tripod with ballhead, but this 
has an Arca-Swiss plate system.
I found it much easier and safer to mount and unmount the camera on the 
Manfrotto RC2 system, even with one hand is possible.

So I got rid of the Arca-Swiss system. Having two systems is bad option.

Henk


Op 2018-08-25 om 19:12 schreef Mark C:
I'm looking to replace my old Bogen Manfrotto Grip Action ball head 
(3265). The ideal would be a ball head with a load capacity of at 
least 13 lb (the max that the legs it will be mounted on), panning 
base, lever based lock for the ball head (I find knobs to be too 
fiddly, especially wen wearing gloves), arca swiss plate system and 
reasonably light weight.


It seems that wanting a lever vs knob knocks out a lot of heads. 
Manfrotto has a lot of lever models but they do not use arca swiss 
plates. Really Right Stuff has a few but they are 2x-3x the cost of 
other brands. There is an inexpensive "Vanguard" brand that meets all 
of my requirements, but its a brand I never heard of and is very 
inexpensive, so I have doubts


Any thoughts?

Mark





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Re: Ball Head Question

[Ken Waller]

Mark you might check with Kirk - http://www.kirkphoto.com/ - for an adaptor 
for an arca swiss receiver on Bogen heads. A while back I wanted a specific 
Bogen head but also wanted to use the arca swiss system. They sold me an 
adaptor that fit the Bogen receiver but also could be attached to an arca 
swiss receiver allowing me to use the arca swiss plate.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark C" 

Subject: Ball Head Question


I'm looking to replace my old Bogen Manfrotto Grip Action ball head 
(3265). The ideal would be a ball head with a load capacity of at least 13 
lb (the max that the legs it will be mounted on), panning base, lever 
based lock for the ball head (I find knobs to be too fiddly, especially 
wen wearing gloves), arca swiss plate system and reasonably light weight.


It seems that wanting a lever vs knob knocks out a lot of heads. Manfrotto 
has a lot of lever models but they do not use arca swiss plates. Really 
Right Stuff has a few but they are 2x-3x the cost of other brands. There 
is an inexpensive "Vanguard" brand that meets all of my requirements, but 
its a brand I never heard of and is very inexpensive, so I have doubts


Any thoughts?

Mark



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Re: Ball Head Question

[lrc]

Have you checked benro/induro?  They are a great value, I go a couple of sizes 
up on the name brands and drill save money.

On August 25, 2018 10:12:12 AM PDT, Mark C  wrote:
>I'm looking to replace my old Bogen Manfrotto Grip Action ball head 
>(3265). The ideal would be a ball head with a load capacity of at least
>
>13 lb (the max that the legs it will be mounted on), panning base,
>lever 
>based lock for the ball head (I find knobs to be too fiddly, especially
>
>wen wearing gloves), arca swiss plate system and reasonably light
>weight.
>
>It seems that wanting a lever vs knob knocks out a lot of heads. 
>Manfrotto has a lot of lever models but they do not use arca swiss 
>plates. Really Right Stuff has a few but they are 2x-3x the cost of 
>other brands. There is an inexpensive "Vanguard" brand that meets all
>of 
>my requirements, but its a brand I never heard of and is very 
>inexpensive, so I have doubts
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Mark
>
>
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Ball Head Question

[Mark C]

I'm looking to replace my old Bogen Manfrotto Grip Action ball head 
(3265). The ideal would be a ball head with a load capacity of at least 
13 lb (the max that the legs it will be mounted on), panning base, lever 
based lock for the ball head (I find knobs to be too fiddly, especially 
wen wearing gloves), arca swiss plate system and reasonably light weight.


It seems that wanting a lever vs knob knocks out a lot of heads. 
Manfrotto has a lot of lever models but they do not use arca swiss 
plates. Really Right Stuff has a few but they are 2x-3x the cost of 
other brands. There is an inexpensive "Vanguard" brand that meets all of 
my requirements, but its a brand I never heard of and is very 
inexpensive, so I have doubts


Any thoughts?

Mark


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