Re: Black black paint

2003-02-07 Thread Dr E D F Williams
I've been thinking about chemistry.

Long ago I developed, not from first principles, but from old formulae, a
physical developer for Holograms. The idea was that if one developed the
plate with a developer that could enhance the actual interference pattern on
the plate by giving it a physical structure, it could be used as a master to
make metal replicas for pressing white light Holograms. It worked and we
were able to make very good impressions in various kinds of plastic from
nickel replicas of the Holographic plates. This was a quite different
process to that used now which utilises a photo resist. The developer, to
start with, had a dozen components. Slowly, but surely, I reduced them and
finally ended with two solutions with only four components - they were mixed
1:1 for use.
By the way, the resolution obtained was 750- 850 lines per mm.

I think the same will happen with this new black coating process. It will be
further developed and simplified until it becomes a marketable product. Two
solutions (perhaps) one to coat, the other to treat the surface. It will
never be cheap.

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> Thanks Robin Hood!
> So it appears to be a process that would be used for metal parts in
optical gear, that could reflect light, but probably not edges of lens
elements.
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> BR
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> "Dr E D F Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >I've broken the law. But here it is.
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Re: Black black paint

2003-02-06 Thread Mike Johnston
> One of the more interesting applications for the new black outside space and
> optical applications may be in fine art. NPL says that several artists are
> keen to use the new material. "When you look at the black, it is an
> incredibly beautiful surface. It's like black velvet."



At that point, all you need is some day-glo acrylics and a photo of the King
to copy, and away you go.

--Mike



(Interesting article, though, Outlaw Dr. Don.)





Re: Black black paint

2003-02-06 Thread Herb Chong
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>One of the more interesting applications for the new black outside space
and
optical applications may be in fine art. NPL says that several artists are
keen to use the new material. "When you look at the black, it is an
incredibly beautiful surface. It's like black velvet."

Mick Hamer

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i've read about this process about 10-15 years ago. i am trying to remember
where. pure silver etched with nitric acid.

Herb




Re: Black black paint

2003-02-06 Thread Dr E D F Williams
I've broken the law. But here it is.

Mini craters key to 'blackest ever black'

14:45 06 February 03

Exclusive from New Scientist

Researchers have created the blackest black ever made on Earth, by bubbling
a shiny metal plate in nitric acid for a few seconds.

Ultimate darkness
This new super-black coating produced by Richard Brown and his colleagues at
the UK's National Physical Laboratory (NPL) in Teddington is designed to
revolutionise the manufacture of optical instruments.
It reflects 10 to 20 times less light than the black paint currently used to
reduce unwanted reflections in instruments. And this means the super-black
coating may one day help improve the vision of the Hubble Space Telescope,
says Nigel Fox, who heads the optics group at NPL.
The idea of making a blacker black by chemically etching a nickel-phosphorus
alloy goes back 20 years. But early attempts to come up with a
nickel-phosphorus formulation and etching process that was better at
absorbing light than black paint came to naught. Now using many different
etching processes, and varying the composition of the alloy in hundreds of
tests, NPL has made the crucial breakthrough.

Stalagmites and craters

By examining the surface of hundreds of alloy plates under an electron
microscope, NPL has discovered where previous researchers went wrong. It has
developed a two-stage technique that produces the blacker black New
Scientist saw emerge from the acid tank last week.
In the first stage, an object to be blackened is immersed for five hours in
a solution of nickel sulphate and sodium hypophosphite. This produces a
nickel and phosphorus coating containing between five and seven per cent
phosphorus. Then the surface is etched with nitric acid to produce the
super-black surface structure.
One of the crucial discoveries, says Brown, was how the percentage of
phosphorus in the nickel coating affected the surface after etching. An
electron micrograph of the surface of an alloy containing more than eight
per cent phosphorus (see graphic) looks like a collection of stalagmites.
But if the phosphorus content is around six per cent the surface becomes
pitted with craters. The curved craters reflect less light that the
straighter-sided stalagmites, so super-black reflects about half as much
light as the high-phosphorus surfaces.

Right angle

Super-black is especially effective at absorbing light that hits it at an
angle. With the light source at right angles the super-black coating
reflects less than 0.35 per cent. Black paint, by comparison, reflects about
2.5 per cent, or seven times as much. With the light source at an angle of
45œ, black paint reflects 25 times as much light as the super-black.
Brown says a wide range of materials can be coated with super-black,
including metals and ceramics. And unlike some black paints the coating will
not crack at cryogenic temperatures used on some space instruments, such as
the Earth radiation monitors used to keep a check on global warming. But the
super-black alloy is quite fragile and can easily be scratched.
One of the early applications of the coating, says Fox, is likely to be on
star trackers, which help spacecraft maintain their position by fixing on
the pinpricks of light from the heavens. These black-painted tubes often
have to be at least 50 centimetres long to allow the walls to absorb any
stray light. But with a super-black coating the tube can be one-third
shorter and correspondingly lighter yet still absorb the same amount of
light.
One of the more interesting applications for the new black outside space and
optical applications may be in fine art. NPL says that several artists are
keen to use the new material. "When you look at the black, it is an
incredibly beautiful surface. It's like black velvet."

Mick Hamer

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Updated: March 30, 2002


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Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 5:59 PM
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> Uh, Pentax lenses already have black paint on the edges of the elements.
> This new stuff would just work better.
> If you had Nikon quality lenses, then you would want Nikon quality
> bodies, then you would want to be a real Nikon owner, then you would
> have to get a medical degree, then you would be a proctologist and you
> know where that leads.
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> >Yeah, then we could have Nikon quality lenses on our Pentaxes!
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Re: Black black paint

2003-02-06 Thread Camdir
Intriguing. I suppose I should add that my father was at NPL, 'doing' 
computing standards.

Toodle pip

Peter




Re: Black black paint

2003-02-06 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Also on the edges of the lens elements.

BR

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To make it relevant to the list, just imagine how nice would have been to have SMC in lense elements and that paint on the barrel and the body...

 






Re: Black black paint

2003-02-06 Thread Dr E D F Williams
I got the impression that it was a 'process' not a 'paint'. I'll go back and
take a look. The surface is certainly etched with nitric acid to produce
dimples? Yes? No? Its not something one will be able to buy in a can ... not
yet anyway.

Don
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- Original Message -
From: "Mike Ignatiev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:30 PM
Subject: Black black paint


> Just picked up at /. -- some guys came up with really black black stuff,
reflecting 10 to 20 times less than the usual black paint used in optical
devices.
>
> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_747664.html?menu=news
>
> To make it relevant to the list, just imagine how nice would have been to
have SMC in lense elements and that paint on the barrel and the body...
>
> Mishka
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Black black paint

2003-02-06 Thread Mike Ignatiev
Just picked up at /. -- some guys came up with really black black stuff, reflecting 10 
to 20 times less than the usual black paint used in optical devices.

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_747664.html?menu=news

To make it relevant to the list, just imagine how nice would have been to have SMC in 
lense elements and that paint on the barrel and the body...

Mishka