Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-09 Thread Jack Davis
Great! Glad to have been of assistance. =)

Jack

--- On Tue, 2/9/10, Tom C  wrote:

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> Subject: Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07
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> Really?  Thanks I'll have to
> check those buttons out someday. :-)
> 
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Jack Davis 
> wrote:
> > Unless you have the two monitors side by side, it's
> difficult to tell if one is brighter than the other.
> > There are normally brightness (and other screen
> appearance altering) adjustment buttons somewhere along the
> base frame of the monitor.
> > ..But I suspect you knew that. I'm a certifiable
> buttinski.
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > Jack
> >
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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-09 Thread Tom C
Really?  Thanks I'll have to check those buttons out someday. :-)

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Unless you have the two monitors side by side, it's difficult to tell if one 
> is brighter than the other.
> There are normally brightness (and other screen appearance altering) 
> adjustment buttons somewhere along the base frame of the monitor.
> ..But I suspect you knew that. I'm a certifiable buttinski.
>
> ;-)
>
> Jack
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RE: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-09 Thread Tanya Love

I love this shot.  On my screen I don't have any burnt highlights, but the
4th rock from the left is close.  I can still see detail in it though.  To
me, the whole scene has a soft, subdued feel (colour-wise, I mean), and as I
tend to always favour over-saturated, high contrast shots (for my own work),
I find it refreshing and calming.  Oh, and ultra sharp!  I really like the
patterns of the clouds the way they seem to pointing directly toward the
tree.  Really nice, IMO! :)



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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-08 Thread Jack Davis
Unless you have the two monitors side by side, it's difficult to tell if one is 
brighter than the other.
There are normally brightness (and other screen appearance altering) adjustment 
buttons somewhere along the base frame of the monitor.
..But I suspect you knew that. I'm a certifiable buttinski.

;-)

Jack 

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> From: ann sanfedele 
> Subject: Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 8:43 AM
> 
> 
> Tom C wrote:
> 
> >I just like it to look right.
> >
> Yeah, me too Tom - but my point was really that I do not
> understand why 
> on the same monitor the
> amount of brightness is different from one browser to the
> next and hoped 
> someone could explain.
> 
> ann
> 
> >
> >
> >On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 8:24 PM, ann sanfedele 
> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Interesting --  (I agree with what Paul said
> below)
> >>
> >>But - When I look at the photo in Netscape I wonder
> why everyone is saying
> >>the  rocks are a bit blown out
> >>but when I look at it in Firefox , it looks too
> light overall.
> >>I like the shot,  but it sure shows me how
> difficult it is to even say
> >>anything about such stuff when even
> >>on one's own computer the same photo looks
> different.
> >>ann
> >>
> >>
> >>paul stenquist wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>An excellent shot overall. Nice composition,
> great sky. Burning in the
> >>>rocks with the tool set to highlights would be
> a good thin, perhaps combined
> >>>with clipping them a bit in levels. But it's
> much better as shown than I
> >>>expected after reading all the blather that
> follows:-). Good work.
> >>>Paul
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Feb 6, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Boris Liberman
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>Hi!
> >>>>
> >>>>http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html
> >>>>
> >>>>Please be brutal and honest, but I say my
> copy of FA 20/2.8 is pretty
> >>>>darn good after Pentax Israel have replaced
> a broken part in its AF
> >>>>mechanism.
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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-08 Thread ann sanfedele



Tom C wrote:

I was being a smart***. 


But since it was you... (ann ducks)


 I know that some browsers handle color
profiles differently.  It looked fine in IE8 to me, knowing how the
scene would have probably looked had I been there, often being in a
bright arid environment.  The rendering I saw looked pretty realistic.

Tom

And my Firefox version looked fine too -- who was it that was going on 
about burnt highlights? thought it

was you - o well

ann



On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
 


Tom C wrote:

   


I just like it to look right.

 


Yeah, me too Tom - but my point was really that I do not understand why on
the same monitor the
amount of brightness is different from one browser to the next and hoped
someone could explain.

ann

   


On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 8:24 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

 


Interesting --  (I agree with what Paul said below)

But - When I look at the photo in Netscape I wonder why everyone is
saying
the  rocks are a bit blown out
but when I look at it in Firefox , it looks too light overall.
I like the shot,  but it sure shows me how difficult it is to even say
anything about such stuff when even
on one's own computer the same photo looks different.
ann


paul stenquist wrote:


   


An excellent shot overall. Nice composition, great sky. Burning in the
rocks with the tool set to highlights would be a good thin, perhaps
combined
with clipping them a bit in levels. But it's much better as shown than I
expected after reading all the blather that follows:-). Good work.
Paul


On Feb 6, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:



 


Hi!

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html

Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8 is pretty
darn good after Pentax Israel have replaced a broken part in its AF
mechanism.

Boris

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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-08 Thread Tom C
I was being a smart***.   I know that some browsers handle color
profiles differently.  It looked fine in IE8 to me, knowing how the
scene would have probably looked had I been there, often being in a
bright arid environment.  The rendering I saw looked pretty realistic.

Tom

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>
>
> Tom C wrote:
>
>> I just like it to look right.
>>
> Yeah, me too Tom - but my point was really that I do not understand why on
> the same monitor the
> amount of brightness is different from one browser to the next and hoped
> someone could explain.
>
> ann
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 8:24 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Interesting --  (I agree with what Paul said below)
>>>
>>> But - When I look at the photo in Netscape I wonder why everyone is
>>> saying
>>> the  rocks are a bit blown out
>>> but when I look at it in Firefox , it looks too light overall.
>>> I like the shot,  but it sure shows me how difficult it is to even say
>>> anything about such stuff when even
>>> on one's own computer the same photo looks different.
>>> ann
>>>
>>>
>>> paul stenquist wrote:
>>>
>>>

 An excellent shot overall. Nice composition, great sky. Burning in the
 rocks with the tool set to highlights would be a good thin, perhaps
 combined
 with clipping them a bit in levels. But it's much better as shown than I
 expected after reading all the blather that follows:-). Good work.
 Paul


 On Feb 6, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:



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> mechanism.
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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-08 Thread ann sanfedele



Tom C wrote:


I just like it to look right.

Yeah, me too Tom - but my point was really that I do not understand why 
on the same monitor the
amount of brightness is different from one browser to the next and hoped 
someone could explain.


ann




On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 8:24 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
 


Interesting --  (I agree with what Paul said below)

But - When I look at the photo in Netscape I wonder why everyone is saying
the  rocks are a bit blown out
but when I look at it in Firefox , it looks too light overall.
I like the shot,  but it sure shows me how difficult it is to even say
anything about such stuff when even
on one's own computer the same photo looks different.
ann


paul stenquist wrote:

   


An excellent shot overall. Nice composition, great sky. Burning in the
rocks with the tool set to highlights would be a good thin, perhaps combined
with clipping them a bit in levels. But it's much better as shown than I
expected after reading all the blather that follows:-). Good work.
Paul


On Feb 6, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:


 


Hi!

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html

Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8 is pretty
darn good after Pentax Israel have replaced a broken part in its AF
mechanism.

Boris

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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-07 Thread Ken Waller
I see this more in a portrait orientation, with the tree left of center and 
most of the scene left of the tree eliminated. The clouds in the RH side 
drawing the eye to the tree. That area to the left of the tree doesn't add 
to the image IMO.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Boris Liberman" 

Subject: Boris PESO 2010 #07



Hi!

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html

Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8 is pretty darn 
good after Pentax Israel have replaced a broken part in its AF mechanism.


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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-06 Thread Tom C
I just like it to look right.


On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 8:24 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> Interesting --  (I agree with what Paul said below)
>
> But - When I look at the photo in Netscape I wonder why everyone is saying
> the  rocks are a bit blown out
> but when I look at it in Firefox , it looks too light overall.
> I like the shot,  but it sure shows me how difficult it is to even say
> anything about such stuff when even
> on one's own computer the same photo looks different.
> ann
>
>
> paul stenquist wrote:
>
>> An excellent shot overall. Nice composition, great sky. Burning in the
>> rocks with the tool set to highlights would be a good thin, perhaps combined
>> with clipping them a bit in levels. But it's much better as shown than I
>> expected after reading all the blather that follows:-). Good work.
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html
>>>
>>> Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8 is pretty
>>> darn good after Pentax Israel have replaced a broken part in its AF
>>> mechanism.
>>>
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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-06 Thread Tim Bray
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html
>
> Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8 is pretty darn
> good after Pentax Israel have replaced a broken part in its AF mechanism.

Made me feel like I was standing there.  Delicious, thanks. -T

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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-06 Thread ann sanfedele

Interesting --  (I agree with what Paul said below)

But - When I look at the photo in Netscape I wonder why everyone is 
saying the  rocks are a bit blown out

but when I look at it in Firefox , it looks too light overall.
I like the shot,  but it sure shows me how difficult it is to even say 
anything about such stuff when even
on one's own computer the same photo looks different.  


ann


paul stenquist wrote:


An excellent shot overall. Nice composition, great sky. Burning in the rocks 
with the tool set to highlights would be a good thin, perhaps combined with 
clipping them a bit in levels. But it's much better as shown than I expected 
after reading all the blather that follows:-). Good work.
Paul


On Feb 6, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 


Hi!

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html

Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8 is pretty darn good 
after Pentax Israel have replaced a broken part in its AF mechanism.

Boris

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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-06 Thread Christine Aguila
Nice, Boris.  Dare I even say it:  the rocks do look a little bright on my 
monitor.  But YMMV. :-).  Cheers, Christine



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Hi!

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html

Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8 is pretty darn 
good after Pentax Israel have replaced a broken part in its AF mechanism.


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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-06 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html
>
> Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8 is pretty darn
> good after Pentax Israel have replaced a broken part in its AF mechanism.

That's a hell of a picture!

cheers,
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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-06 Thread paul stenquist
An excellent shot overall. Nice composition, great sky. Burning in the rocks 
with the tool set to highlights would be a good thin, perhaps combined with 
clipping them a bit in levels. But it's much better as shown than I expected 
after reading all the blather that follows:-). Good work.
Paul


On Feb 6, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html
> 
> Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8 is pretty darn 
> good after Pentax Israel have replaced a broken part in its AF mechanism.
> 
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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-06 Thread Jack Davis
OKAY..OKAY, Tom. Highlights are severely "clipped" resulting in much lost 
detail in the too bright rocks.
There now I've said it.  ;-))
Seriously, if the shot had been made from a short ways to the right wherein the 
tree were allowed to remain in approximately its present position in the frame, 
the larger boulders would not combine with the tree and throw off the balance 
to the right. The perspective, however, may have suffered if the far left 
boulders were no as distinct.

Jack

--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Tom C  wrote:

> From: Tom C 
> Subject: Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07
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> That's what I thought. :-) Light
> colored rocks in bright sun look like
> light colored rocks in bright sun.
> 
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 4:31 PM, William Robb 
> wrote:
> >
> > I'd like to see the tree a little bit more to the
> right in the frame, but i
> > also like the relationship between the tree and the
> rocks, so what I would
> > like is probably  not possible.
> > I think the rocks are a little on the bright side, but
> them you live in a
> > bright part of the world, so you takes what you gets.
> >
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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-06 Thread Tom C
That's what I thought. :-) Light colored rocks in bright sun look like
light colored rocks in bright sun.

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> I'd like to see the tree a little bit more to the right in the frame, but i
> also like the relationship between the tree and the rocks, so what I would
> like is probably  not possible.
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> bright part of the world, so you takes what you gets.
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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-06 Thread William Robb


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From: "Boris Liberman"

Subject: Boris PESO 2010 #07



Hi!

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html

Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8 is pretty darn 
good after Pentax Israel have replaced a broken part in its AF mechanism.




I'd like to see the tree a little bit more to the right in the frame, but i 
also like the relationship between the tree and the rocks, so what I would 
like is probably  not possible.
I think the rocks are a little on the bright side, but them you live in a 
bright part of the world, so you takes what you gets.


William Robb 



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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-06 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:25:07 +0200
Boris Liberman  wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html
> 
> Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8 is pretty 
> darn good after Pentax Israel have replaced a broken part in its AF 
> mechanism.


 Boris I like this shot very much right now.  Missing that kind of blue
 sky here for a few more months.  I might have wished for the tree to
 move magically to the right some but there is a nice harmony with the
 clouds and the setting of the stones so would not change the crop to
 get it.


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RE: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-06 Thread Chris Mitchell
> From Boris Liberman
> Subject: Boris PESO 2010 #07
> 
> Hi!
> 
> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html
> 
> Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8 is pretty
> darn good after Pentax Israel have replaced a broken part in its AF
> mechanism.
> 
> Boris
Boris, the composition is faultless. Exposure is a problem - there's detail
there and it would, in my humble opinion, benefit from some darkening /
saturation of colour or something. Get that right and you've got a stunning
image.

Chris



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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-06 Thread Tom C
I think it's a great shot.  I don't see a washout problem here, it's
difficult lighting and I see lot's of detail in the lightly colored
rocks as well as the darker areas. My only thought, had I taken the
shot, is that the tree is just a little awkwardly positioned too close
to center.  A little further to the right would probably make it feel
slightly more balanced, rising above the right sight of the foreground
rock as opposed to the left.

Easy for me to say without knowing what was cropped out of the frame.

Very nice.

Tom C.

>> Hi!
>>
>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html
>>
>> Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8
>> is pretty darn good after Pentax Israel have replaced a
>> broken part in its AF mechanism.
>>
>> Boris

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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-06 Thread Jack Davis
Boris, I like the composition, but the boulders (smaller rocks as well) are 
much too hot. I, also, feel the foreground, as a whole, is somewhat washed out. 
Suggest darkening both the boulders and ground and adding a slight bump of 
saturation.
Mustn't forget, I'm looking at my monitor. =)

Jack

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> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html
> 
> Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8
> is pretty darn good after Pentax Israel have replaced a
> broken part in its AF mechanism.
> 
> Boris
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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-06 Thread Bruce Dayton
The cloud formations help make this a very solid composition.  The
detraction for me is that it feels rather washed out - I'd almost
like to see it more saturated or maybe the other direction B&W.

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BL> Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8 is pretty 
BL> darn good after Pentax Israel have replaced a broken part in its AF 
BL> mechanism.

BL> Boris




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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-06 Thread P. J. Alling

Almost a perfect composition.

On 2/6/2010 12:25 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:

Hi!

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html

Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8 is pretty 
darn good after Pentax Israel have replaced a broken part in its AF 
mechanism.


Boris




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Re: Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-06 Thread Bob Sullivan
Boris,
That is nice. The big boulders and the clouds seem to be in harmony.
Not very good land for farming, I would imagine.
Regards,  Bob S.

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>
> Boris
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Boris PESO 2010 #07

2010-02-06 Thread Boris Liberman

Hi!

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/02/peso-2010-07.html

Please be brutal and honest, but I say my copy of FA 20/2.8 is pretty 
darn good after Pentax Israel have replaced a broken part in its AF 
mechanism.


Boris

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