Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question?
On Sunday, December 23, 2001, at 07:56 PM, Cotty wrote: My sincere apologies! I misunderstood. Yes, I have seen this on a print from an Epson 5000 proofer, oddly enough. I have yet to come across it off my printer. Maybe something to do with the clothes of my sitters? ;-) Or you're taking pix too close to them. :) When I've seen it, it has been on one person in a group shot, fairly far back. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question?
On Friday, December 21, 2001, at 06:08 PM, Cotty wrote: (Some argue 360 ppi on Epsons but I've compared 2 prints side by side, one at 300 and one at 360 and saw no difference...) Cotty, it's not a difference in sharpness or apparent resolution. 300 dpi, depending on the original image, can introduce moire patterning into the print in complex, fine patterns. Both times I've seen the effect have been with plaid shirts in group shots. Upsampling the image from 300 ppi to 360 ppi eliminated the problem, both on our old Epson Photo 1200 and our new Epson Pro 7500. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question?
Cotty, it's not a difference in sharpness or apparent resolution. 300 dpi, depending on the original image, can introduce moire patterning into the print in complex, fine patterns. Both times I've seen the effect have been with plaid shirts in group shots. Upsampling the image from 300 ppi to 360 ppi eliminated the problem, both on our old Epson Photo 1200 and our new Epson Pro 7500. Aaron, My sincere apologies! I misunderstood. Yes, I have seen this on a print from an Epson 5000 proofer, oddly enough. I have yet to come across it off my printer. Maybe something to do with the clothes of my sitters? ;-) Have a good Christmas etc. Cheers, Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question?
Paul.Not sure about that.I never use the scale to media box,but i dont see why you would need to. Dave Begin Original Message From: Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for help guys, one more questions though. When i resize it to say 300dpi, should i still tick the 'Scale to Media' box when i print? or should i adjust the dpi before hand to match the size i want? Thanks, Paul Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question?
Hi Paul.I print mostly from PhotoShop and images from my D1.I resize from the input image of 18x27 to either 8x12 etc then crop to what i'm looking for.So far this seems to work.Im not at my home computer now so i can not remember what the drop down menus look like off hand but i;ll open up when i get home and see what i have things set at. I foumd the best looking print to be a resize to 5x7,my D1 resolution goes up to about 264 i think.This gives a very nice looking print. I hope you like it , i do. Begin Original Message From: Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 22:46:51 +1100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question? Hi, I just bought a Canon S800 and made my first print. I'm pretty impressed so far. Any tips on getting good prints? i noticed it was a little pixely in the finely detailed sections. Also I am printing out of photoshop 6 and when i go into print options if i select the scale to be 100% then the image appears tiny on the page, i have to choose to scale to fit media which in turn makes the image scale about 2000%. The image was scanned in at 2400dpi, so if anything shouldn't i be down sizing the image? Thanks, Paul - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question?
Paul.Forgot to mention if i turn on the constrants at the bottom of the image size window,i will get the pixelation you speak of.I make sure the two boxes at the bottom are OFF that way the size can change but the pixel ratios stay the same. (You probably knew that anyway) Dave Any tips on getting good prints? i noticed it was a little pixely in the finely detailed sections. Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question?
Also I am printing out of photoshop 6 and when i go into print options if i select the scale to be 100% then the image appears tiny on the page, i have to choose to scale to fit media which in turn makes the image scale about 2000%. The image was scanned in at 2400dpi, so if anything shouldn't i be down sizing the image? Paul, Go into 'IMAGE' and in the dpi box, enter something like 300 (dpi). Select a relevant physical size, say 8 inches by 11 or whatever, and Photoshop will resize the image for you to a decent physical size, and decent file size ready for printing. While you're at it, find IMAGE/LEVELS and hit the AUTO button and then enter. That'll smarten it up a bit for you. *Now* try printing. Next step: buy a decent Photoshop book and get reading! HTH Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question?
A 2400 dpi scan of a 35mm frame should give you a 7x10 of around 300 dpi. That should be hi-res enough to produce a nice print with no visible pixelation. In adjusting the size of your print in Photoshop, you have to make sure the box to resample image is not checked. This will preserve the original scan. I don't know anything about the Canon printer, but make sure your choosing the high res setting. It''s probably 1440. Paul Jones wrote: Hi, I just bought a Canon S800 and made my first print. I'm pretty impressed so far. Any tips on getting good prints? i noticed it was a little pixely in the finely detailed sections. Also I am printing out of photoshop 6 and when i go into print options if i select the scale to be 100% then the image appears tiny on the page, i have to choose to scale to fit media which in turn makes the image scale about 2000%. The image was scanned in at 2400dpi, so if anything shouldn't i be down sizing the image? Thanks, Paul - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question?
On Friday, December 21, 2001, at 06:46 AM, Paul Jones wrote: Any tips on getting good prints? i noticed it was a little pixely in the finely detailed sections. Also I am printing out of photoshop 6 and when i go into print options if i select the scale to be 100% then the image appears tiny on the page, i have to choose to scale to fit media which in turn makes the image scale about 2000%. The image was scanned in at 2400dpi, so if anything shouldn't i be down sizing the image? How big are you trying to print? And what is the optical resolution of the scanner? And what is the size of the original? If your scanner is 1200 dpi optical/2400 dpi interpolated, that 2400 dpi is good for maybe a 5x7. Go to image -- image size. Check the box that says 'constrain proportions'. Uncheck the box that says 'resample image'. Change the resolution to 300 pixels per inch and then look at what it says the size of the print will be...that's what you scanned. You can get away with lower than 300 ppi, but you'll see pixelation and loss of detail. -Aaron p.s. good luck - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question?
Hi, Thanks for help guys, one more questions though. When i resize it to say 300dpi, should i still tick the 'Scale to Media' box when i print? or should i adjust the dpi before hand to match the size i want? Thanks, Paul - Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:58 AM Subject: Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question? On Friday, December 21, 2001, at 06:46 AM, Paul Jones wrote: Any tips on getting good prints? i noticed it was a little pixely in the finely detailed sections. Also I am printing out of photoshop 6 and when i go into print options if i select the scale to be 100% then the image appears tiny on the page, i have to choose to scale to fit media which in turn makes the image scale about 2000%. The image was scanned in at 2400dpi, so if anything shouldn't i be down sizing the image? How big are you trying to print? And what is the optical resolution of the scanner? And what is the size of the original? If your scanner is 1200 dpi optical/2400 dpi interpolated, that 2400 dpi is good for maybe a 5x7. Go to image -- image size. Check the box that says 'constrain proportions'. Uncheck the box that says 'resample image'. Change the resolution to 300 pixels per inch and then look at what it says the size of the print will be...that's what you scanned. You can get away with lower than 300 ppi, but you'll see pixelation and loss of detail. -Aaron p.s. good luck - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question?
Hi Cotty, Thanks for the help. Go into 'IMAGE' and in the dpi box, enter something like 300 (dpi). Select a relevant physical size, say 8 inches by 11 or whatever, and Photoshop will resize the image for you to a decent physical size, and decent file size ready for printing. Okay so if i enter then image size for a 5x7 then i get 497.6pixels and theni should be able to print at 100% While you're at it, find IMAGE/LEVELS and hit the AUTO button and then enter. That'll smarten it up a bit for you. *Now* try printing. I can never get Auto Levels to do what i want, i find i get better results when i set them manually. Thanks, Paul - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question?
Paul Jones wrote: Okay so if i enter then image size for a 5x7 then i get 497.6pixels and theni should be able to print at 100% Yep, 497 ppi will give you a nice image. If your scan is that high res, you can go to about 8x10 as well where you'll be at around 300, but don't allow Photoshop to resample. In the image size box make sure contrain proportions is checked and that resample image is not checked. While you're at it, find IMAGE/LEVELS and hit the AUTO button and then enter. That'll smarten it up a bit for you. *Now* try printing. I can never get Auto Levels to do what i want, i find i get better results when i set them manually. I agree. That's frequently the case, although I usually let auto levels have a go at it, then, if it degrades the image, I just undo it and go back and do levels myself. Auto levels seems to work best on conventional pictures, such as landscapes with neutral foregrounds and blue sky backgrounds. But sometimes it can be a good starting point.. Auto levels first, manual manipulation next. Thanks, Paul - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question?
There is only one good way to resize. Do it in PhotoShop (or another editing program), and don't allow the program to resample. In other words, as the size of your print gets bigger, the ppi gets smaller. You can get a good print at 300 ppi, but more is okay. I've made some 7x10s at 550 ppi that were rather impressive. Don't resize to 300 ppi. Take your scan and resize it to a dimension and let the ppi level fall where it will. If it's below 300, choose a smaller dimension for the print. Paul Paul Jones wrote: Hi, Thanks for help guys, one more questions though. When i resize it to say 300dpi, should i still tick the 'Scale to Media' box when i print? or should i adjust the dpi before hand to match the size i want? Thanks, Paul - Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:58 AM Subject: Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question? On Friday, December 21, 2001, at 06:46 AM, Paul Jones wrote: Any tips on getting good prints? i noticed it was a little pixely in the finely detailed sections. Also I am printing out of photoshop 6 and when i go into print options if i select the scale to be 100% then the image appears tiny on the page, i have to choose to scale to fit media which in turn makes the image scale about 2000%. The image was scanned in at 2400dpi, so if anything shouldn't i be down sizing the image? How big are you trying to print? And what is the optical resolution of the scanner? And what is the size of the original? If your scanner is 1200 dpi optical/2400 dpi interpolated, that 2400 dpi is good for maybe a 5x7. Go to image -- image size. Check the box that says 'constrain proportions'. Uncheck the box that says 'resample image'. Change the resolution to 300 pixels per inch and then look at what it says the size of the print will be...that's what you scanned. You can get away with lower than 300 ppi, but you'll see pixelation and loss of detail. -Aaron p.s. good luck - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question?
You be sending a 2400ppi 1x1.5 inch image to the printer. You need to change to a 400ppi 6x9 inch image before printing. That is you want to keep the file size the same but the image size larger. That is usually called resizing. If you change the file size it is usually called resampling. Best quality on that S800 would be from a 450 to 600 ppi image going by what I have seen on the PDML Printer Challenge. Ciao, graywolf - Original Message - From: Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 6:46 AM Subject: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question? Hi, I just bought a Canon S800 and made my first print. I'm pretty impressed so far. Any tips on getting good prints? i noticed it was a little pixely in the finely detailed sections. Also I am printing out of photoshop 6 and when i go into print options if i select the scale to be 100% then the image appears tiny on the page, i have to choose to scale to fit media which in turn makes the image scale about 2000%. The image was scanned in at 2400dpi, so if anything shouldn't i be down sizing the image? Thanks, Paul - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question?
On Friday, December 21, 2001, at 03:53 PM, Paul Jones wrote: Thanks for help guys, one more questions though. When i resize it to say 300dpi, should i still tick the 'Scale to Media' box when i print? or should i adjust the dpi before hand to match the size i want? Make the image the size you want in Photoshop. The less interpretation the printer's software has to do, the better. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question?
Hi Paul, Go into 'IMAGE' and in the dpi box, enter something like 300 (dpi). Select a relevant physical size, say 8 inches by 11 or whatever, and Photoshop will resize the image for you to a decent physical size, and decent file size ready for printing. Okay so if i enter then image size for a 5x7 then i get 497.6pixels and theni should be able to print at 100% If you are scanning at 2400ppi (wrongly called dpi but accepted widely) and that is the optical resolution of the scanner, then you will end up with a scan measuring about 24mmX36mm at 2400 ppi, and the file size would be about 20 MB or so (assuming you're scanning the whole negative). Resizing the image to, say, 7X5 inches, without altering the 2400 ppi would result in a file size of over 500MB!! So, enter a new value in the print size area, ostensibly of about 300 ppi, and you'll get a much more reasonable file size - and the print will be fine. No point in making your print size any more than about 300 ppi because the printer will not make any use of the information. (Some argue 360 ppi on Epsons but I've compared 2 prints side by side, one at 300 and one at 360 and saw no difference...) As for interpolation, Photoshop does it very well indeed. So, if you want to print at A3 size (say about 16X11) then enter those values in the print size area in the image size dialogue, and keep the resolution at 300. The file size will grow a lot, but when the image is printed out, you will be amazed at the result. Obviously there are tricks and methods to getting the best out of this process, and that's where careful study of Photoshop through books and articles comes in to play. While you're at it, find IMAGE/LEVELS and hit the AUTO button and then enter. That'll smarten it up a bit for you. *Now* try printing. I can never get Auto Levels to do what i want, i find i get better results when i set them manually. I would suggest you do this: make or copy a color pattern (I used blocks of color) on a plain background, and print it out. See how far out the printed colors are to the screen colors - they'll probably be so far out, you'll faint! This is where a color management regime is necessary in order to provide accurate results. My point is, have you set your monitor up properly? How do you know that what you are tweaking manually is objectively represented on the screen? If Auto Levels is giving you spurious results, i would suggest your monitor needs setting up using available software. I find Auto Levels works very well indeed. Processing and printing digital images is VERY easy to do. Processing and printing digital images WELL, is much more difficult. That's why when you go to the bookshop there are endless tomes on Photoshop. I have been at it for three years now, and I'm *still* reading and re-reading on the subject. But that's because I want my prints to be as good as I can get them using the bits that I can afford. I'm rambling a bit because it's late here, and I've still got to make some paneer (guests tomorrow night for an Indian meal...) so excuse any disjointed thoughts. HTH Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question?
- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: Bought an S800, Printing tips and PS question? As for interpolation, Photoshop does it very well indeed. So, if you want to print at A3 size (say about 16X11) then enter those values in the print size area in the image size dialogue, and keep the resolution at 300. The file size will grow a lot, but when the image is printed out, you will be amazed at the result. Obviously there are tricks and methods to getting the best out of this process, and that's where careful study of Photoshop through books and articles comes in to play. Check out: www.fredmiranda.com Some wonderful picture galleries, but if you click on the software link, then actions and profiles, you can download a thing called Stair Interpolation, which is a plug in that runs the bicubic interpolation in small increments, which he seems to think is how it works best. He has some other cool stuff there that I haven't looked at yet. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
