Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
Thanks for your nice report, Heiko. Now I will go to CeBit on Monday. Hopefully I will be able to try the *ist D and the *ist, like you were able to. Are there any features that PDML members would like me to check, and what questions should I ask? Arnold
Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
Any chance of asking them what the ISO settings are for the *ist D? Are there any features that PDML members would like me to check, and what questions should I ask? Arnold -- Harold Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
Hi Arnold, Just one additional question will it be possible to find out whether owners of the *ist D will be able to update the camera 'firmware' via downloads from the various Pentax websites? My present digital camera that I recently purchased requires for the camera to be returned to the manufacturers service department (in Portugal) for any firmware updates, and of course there is a charge for this service, in addition I have been told that it takes six weeks! Harry Are there any features that PDML members would like me to check, and what questions should I ask? Arnold -- Harold Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
Hi Simon, Are the images an example of shooting in RAW mode? :-) LOL. I hope Pentax will offer special RAW-shhoting workshops... Cheers, Heiko
Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
Hi Arnold, on 15 Mar 03 you wrote in pentax.list: Are there any features that PDML members would like me to check, and what questions should I ask? Here is what I should have asked/tested but wasn't able to because of acute euphoric loss of ability to think: - has the *ist D a stop-down coupler? - is the LCD of the *ist D usable to take pictures or only to playback (i.e. are the information in the scanned brochure correct)? - when can we expect to see IS/USM from Pentax? - will IS/USM be compatible to older KAF2 bodies or will there be a new KAF3 mount and a special body? - how many AF cross sensors do the *ist/*ist-D have? Cheers, Heiko
Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
I definitely like the Perfekter Body description ;-) cheers, caveman Heiko Hamann wrote: Hi Rüdiger, on 14 Mar 03 you wrote in pentax.list: thank you very much for your detailed answers and for your scanned flyer. From the flyer you can see that Pentax watches the list. As Pal complained that the *istD is not sexy, they made a picture with something sexy besides the *istD on it. LOL. Those pictures were produced very large onto the walls of the Pentax stand. But it was nothing against the Hupfdools (aka Gogo- Girls) at Gericom's stand 8-)) Cheers, Heiko
Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
Hi Heiko, too bad... Even if the *ist can meter with K and M lenses, it's of no use if you only can use them at the widest aperture setting. I was hoping for something better... Oh well, I have to wait for the more upmarket *ist's then. Best wishes, Roland From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Heiko Hamann) Date: 14 Mar 2003 18:39:00 +0100 Yes, but I only got a time changing between two numbers (500 and 750). Changing the aperture didn't change the time. I have thought about this again and again and I reread Boz's KMP infos and I came to the conclusion, that my observations confirm Boz's explanations on http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/ BTW the numbers on the *ist are different: Custom function 17 = 1: If the *ist detects that the lens aperture is not in the A setting, it does not allow a picture to be taken at all (text form Boz). This is the MZ-30/ZX-30 and MZ-60/ZX-60 behaviour. Custom function 17 = 2: This was the first body that featured the crippled KAF mount. When this body detects that the lens aperture is not in the A setting or there isn't such a setting, it meters and exposes the film as if the lens is set to its widest aperture (again Boz's text). This is the MZ- 50/ZX-50 behaviour. Again - the piece I handled was not a real production model. But I'm afraid that the *ist works exactly as described. This would also fit to Pal's info that the *ist is entry level. Using a *ist makes only sense with SMC-A, -F, -FA and -FAJ lenses. But I'm quite sure that we will see some kind of top level *ist modell with full KAF2 mount (pure speculation). _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo
Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
Alin wrote: All in one, it seems Pentax still has a lot to work on the *ists, while we're talking USM and IS. It's time to get real. REPLY: Yes, lets wait until they finalize them :o) It is obvious that Pentax designed both the *ist and *ist D with crippled mounts. Lets wait and see what the finished products have. Pål
Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
Heiko wrote: - It has no stop-down coupler. - I put my SMC-M on it and it didn't work - there was only Av blinking in the display - I changed the custom function 17 - now it seemed to try to meter (it showed no aperture number but the time), but the metered times were wrong. I was told that this was because of the pre-production stage of the camera. In the final version it should work in aperture priority. *FAJ (18-35) - Plastics mount - there is a stop-down-coupler, but it doesn't seem to be moveable REPLY: This suggest that the *ist is not fully compatible with K and M lenses. Also, that the FA J lenses does not work like other Pentax lenses simply set to A. Pål
Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
Mark wrote: My Pentax source says It is as backwards compatible as a PZ-1p (less power zoom contacts) REPLY: The *ist D is not finalized yet. However, I think it would be silly not to have full K-mount compatibility unless future lenses and equipment demand such limitations. Pål
Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
Humm Guys, wait for the final version --- Roland Mabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Heiko, too bad... Even if the *ist can meter with K and M lenses, it's of no use if you only can use them at the widest aperture setting. I was hoping for something better... Oh well, I have to wait for the more upmarket *ist's then. Best wishes, Roland From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Heiko Hamann) Date: 14 Mar 2003 18:39:00 +0100 Yes, but I only got a time changing between two numbers (500 and 750). Changing the aperture didn't change the time. I have thought about this again and again and I reread Boz's KMP infos and I came to the conclusion, that my observations confirm Boz's explanations on http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/ BTW the numbers on the *ist are different: Custom function 17 = 1: If the *ist detects that the lens aperture is not in the A setting, it does not allow a picture to be taken at all (text form Boz). This is the MZ-30/ZX-30 and MZ-60/ZX-60 behaviour. Custom function 17 = 2: This was the first body that featured the crippled KAF mount. When this body detects that the lens aperture is not in the A setting or there isn't such a setting, it meters and exposes the film as if the lens is set to its widest aperture (again Boz's text). This is the MZ- 50/ZX-50 behaviour. Again - the piece I handled was not a real production model. But I'm afraid that the *ist works exactly as described. This would also fit to Pal's info that the *ist is entry level. Using a *ist makes only sense with SMC-A, -F, -FA and -FAJ lenses. But I'm quite sure that we will see some kind of top level *ist modell with full KAF2 mount (pure speculation). _ Skaffa fler messengerkontakter - Vinn 10.000 i resecheckar! http://messenger.msn.se/promo __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
this close to manufacturing, the hardware specs are set in stone and this is a hardware specification. what the firmware does is another story. Herb - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 14:06 Subject: Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios The *ist D is not finalized yet. However, I think it would be silly not to have full K-mount compatibility unless future lenses and equipment demand such limitations. Pål
Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
I wouldn't bet on that considering modern manufacturing techniques. I'm still going to wait and see. At 04:59 PM 3/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: this close to manufacturing, the hardware specs are set in stone and this is a hardware specification. what the firmware does is another story. Herb - Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 14:06 Subject: Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios The *ist D is not finalized yet. However, I think it would be silly not to have full K-mount compatibility unless future lenses and equipment demand such limitations. Pål Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx
RE: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
Thanks for the scans. Are the images an example of shooting in RAW mode? :-) Simon
Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
This is good news, BUT!! the 550 still doesn't have a hotshoe :-( thats all it's missing to eat up the G3 --- Heiko Hamann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm just back from my Cebit visit. It was a perfect day and I presume a great success for Pentax. The best: I was allowed to handle a *ist and a *istD ! Before proceeding please realize: - that I'm quite tired and don't guarantee that I will get all facts 100% correct - I was talking to sales people, not to technicians. - I was so overwhelmed by the fact that I'm actually holding a *ist-D that I have forgotten to check certain details, ask this or that question and to try each feature Here are my observations: *ist D --- The *ist D was an early pre-production modell. I was told that it was handmade, costing a small house and that there exist only three pieces in the whole world. The one in the USA was killed at the first day... The *ist D that I saw was working, but you could see that many functions had prototype status. Also the buttons were working but really handmade. The printings were very delicate. - The *ist-D feels great: good shape, good weight. - The viewfinder is comparable to that of the MZ-S, the infos in it a very good to read - The DOF-preview works as on the MZ-S - The mount has all 7 KAF contacts - I took a SMC-M 50/1.7 with me ;-) and they let me attach it! Unfortunately it didn't work because of the early production stage. But I was told, that it will work in the final modell. Anything else would be madness... they said. - Now the bad news: I forgot to check if there is a stop-down coupler... All in all a great experience. I also tried the other DLSRs (10D and the F80 based Nikon/Fuji/Kodak). Those were even for my large hands bulky and I was really pleased by the *ist D concerning size and weight. As a Pentax rep said - it is the first really useable DSLR (at least for a Pentax guy like me...;-)) *ist I could also handle a *ist. It is really small, smaller than the *ist D (I think afterwards). But is has a great user interface. - The viewfinder is smaller (iirc) than that of the *ist D - The AF is VERY fast! It shows you in the viewfinder, which sensor has been chosen. - The mount has all 7 KAF contacts - It has no stop-down coupler. - I put my SMC-M on it and it didn't work - there was only Av blinking in the display - I changed the custom function 17 - now it seemed to try to meter (it showed no aperture number but the time), but the metered times were wrong. I was told that this was because of the pre-production stage of the camera. In the final version it should work in aperture priority. *FAJ (18-35) - Plastics mount - there is a stop-down-coupler, but it doesn't seem to be moveable Optio S --- - FANTASTIC! - Super fast (2 seconds from switching on to the first picture) - Because of the surface it is very good to hold (despite its tinyness) - Perfect toy for the time to the *ist D launch (in July) Optio 550 - - 12 aperture numbers! (I didn't check that myself) - Makes a really professional impression. A real G3 killer... That's all for today. I'm really pleased with what I saw. Thanks, Pentax! Cheers, Heiko __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Heiko Hamann) wrote: - I took a SMC-M 50/1.7 with me ;-) and they let me attach it! Unfortunately it didn't work because of the early production stage. But I was told, that it will work in the final modell. Anything else would be madness... they said. - Now the bad news: I forgot to check if there is a stop-down coupler... Whether or not there was one on the pre-production model you handled, their Anything else would be madness... comment tells you there'll be one on the production version. My Pentax source says It is as backwards compatible as a PZ-1p (less power zoom contacts) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
Thanks, Heiko, for the effort. Truly rewarding. What strikes me first of all is the *ist d viewfinder being as big as that of MZ-S. That is 0.95x magnification in terms of 35 mm, not APS - great news! Also glad to hear Pentax commitment for K/M lenses support, although would have been happier if your M 50/1.7 effectively worked on the *ist d. All in one, it seems Pentax still has a lot to work on the *ists, while we're talking USM and IS. It's time to get real. Servus, Alin Heiko wrote: HH I'm just back from my Cebit visit. It was a perfect day and I presume a HH great success for Pentax. The best: I was allowed to handle a *ist and a HH *istD ! Before proceeding please realize: HH - that I'm quite tired and don't guarantee that I will get all facts HH 100% correct HH - I was talking to sales people, not to technicians. HH - I was so overwhelmed by the fact that I'm actually holding a *ist-D HH that I have forgotten to check certain details, ask this or that HH question and to try each feature HH Here are my observations: HH *ist D HH --- HH The *ist D was an early pre-production modell. I was told that it was HH handmade, costing a small house and that there exist only three pieces HH in the whole world. The one in the USA was killed at the first day... HH The *ist D that I saw was working, but you could see that many functions HH had prototype status. Also the buttons were working but really handmade. HH The printings were very delicate. HH - The *ist-D feels great: good shape, good weight. HH - The viewfinder is comparable to that of the MZ-S, the infos in it a HH very good to read HH - The DOF-preview works as on the MZ-S HH - The mount has all 7 KAF contacts HH - I took a SMC-M 50/1.7 with me ;-) and they let me attach it! HH Unfortunately it didn't work because of the early production stage. But HH I was told, that it will work in the final modell. Anything else would HH be madness... they said. HH - Now the bad news: I forgot to check if there is a stop-down coupler... HH All in all a great experience. I also tried the other DLSRs (10D and the HH F80 based Nikon/Fuji/Kodak). Those were even for my large hands bulky HH and I was really pleased by the *ist D concerning size and weight. As a HH Pentax rep said - it is the first really useable DSLR (at least for a HH Pentax guy like me...;-)) HH *ist HH HH I could also handle a *ist. It is really small, smaller than the *ist D HH (I think afterwards). But is has a great user interface. HH - The viewfinder is smaller (iirc) than that of the *ist D HH - The AF is VERY fast! It shows you in the viewfinder, which sensor has HH been chosen. HH - The mount has all 7 KAF contacts HH - It has no stop-down coupler. HH - I put my SMC-M on it and it didn't work - there was only Av blinking HH in the display HH - I changed the custom function 17 HH - now it seemed to try to meter (it showed no aperture number but the HH time), but the metered times were wrong. I was told that this was HH because of the pre-production stage of the camera. In the final version HH it should work in aperture priority. HH *FAJ (18-35) HH HH - Plastics mount HH - there is a stop-down-coupler, but it doesn't seem to be moveable HH Optio S HH --- HH - FANTASTIC! HH - Super fast (2 seconds from switching on to the first picture) HH - Because of the surface it is very good to hold (despite its tinyness) HH - Perfect toy for the time to the *ist D launch (in July) HH Optio 550 HH - HH - 12 aperture numbers! (I didn't check that myself) HH - Makes a really professional impression. A real G3 killer... HH That's all for today. I'm really pleased with what I saw. Thanks, HH Pentax! HH Cheers, Heiko
Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
Like we actually believe Pentax would be dumb and not have full compatability. And who started this rumour anyway? --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Heiko Hamann) wrote: - I took a SMC-M 50/1.7 with me ;-) and they let me attach it! Unfortunately it didn't work because of the early production stage. But I was told, that it will work in the final modell. Anything else would be madness... they said. - Now the bad news: I forgot to check if there is a stop-down coupler... Whether or not there was one on the pre-production model you handled, their Anything else would be madness... comment tells you there'll be one on the production version. My Pentax source says It is as backwards compatible as a PZ-1p (less power zoom contacts) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
WAY TO GO HEIKO! We're all extremely jealous. Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
RE: CeBit report: *ist, *istD, FAJ and Optios
Who needs a hotshoe when the *ist D is around the corner :-) Cesar Panama City, Florida -- -Original Message- -- From: Brendan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:10 PM -- -- This is good news, BUT!! the 550 still doesn't have a -- hotshoe :-( thats all it's missing to eat up the G3 --
