EXIF Data Source Question

2008-10-16 Thread William Robb

A topic from the dorkforum leads me here.

When a lens type is imbedded in the EXIF data, is the lens telling the 
camera what it is in specific terms (IE: DA35mm f/2.8 macro) or is the lens 
sending a trigger value to the camera which then inserts the correct lens 
info from a self contained data base?


Thanks

William Robb 



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Re: EXIF Data Source Question

2008-10-16 Thread Adam Maas
Could be either possibility. IIRC with Pentax it's the lens sending a
code which the camera compares to a table of lens ID's, while with
Nikon it actually sends the full name.

-Adam

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:05 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A topic from the dorkforum leads me here.

 When a lens type is imbedded in the EXIF data, is the lens telling the
 camera what it is in specific terms (IE: DA35mm f/2.8 macro) or is the lens
 sending a trigger value to the camera which then inserts the correct lens
 info from a self contained data base?

 Thanks

 William Robb

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Re: EXIF Data Source Question

2008-10-16 Thread Matthew Montgomery


On Oct 16, 2008, at 9:05 AM, William Robb wrote:


A topic from the dorkforum leads me here.

When a lens type is imbedded in the EXIF data, is the lens telling  
the camera what it is in specific terms (IE: DA35mm f/2.8 macro) or  
is the lens sending a trigger value to the camera which then inserts  
the correct lens info from a self contained data base?


Thanks

William Robb


Ha. I bet this is from my (lowbit) original posting at said dorkforum.

:-)




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Re: EXIF Data Source Question

2008-10-16 Thread Matthew Hunt
For Pentax, the EXIF only contains a code.  Your software on the PC
translates this to a legible name.  I use IMatch to manage my images,
and whenever I get a new lens, it just displays something like
Unknown Lens [8,56] and I have to tell the IMatch author what lens
that corresponds to, and he adds it to the database for the next
release.

PhotoME is good about having an up-to-date lens database, and you can
also use it to see the code that's really in the EXIF.

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:05 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A topic from the dorkforum leads me here.

 When a lens type is imbedded in the EXIF data, is the lens telling the
 camera what it is in specific terms (IE: DA35mm f/2.8 macro) or is the lens
 sending a trigger value to the camera which then inserts the correct lens
 info from a self contained data base?

 Thanks

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Re: EXIF Data Source Question

2008-10-16 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Matthew Montgomery 
Subject: Re: EXIF Data Source Question






Ha. I bet this is from my (lowbit) original posting at said dorkforum.

:-)


[EMAIL PROTECTED] Indeed it is.
Just don't out me over there..

William Robb


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Re: EXIF Data Source Question

2008-10-16 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Matthew Hunt 
Subject: Re: EXIF Data Source Question




For Pentax, the EXIF only contains a code.  Your software on the PC
translates this to a legible name.  I use IMatch to manage my images,
and whenever I get a new lens, it just displays something like
Unknown Lens [8,56] and I have to tell the IMatch author what lens
that corresponds to, and he adds it to the database for the next
release.

PhotoME is good about having an up-to-date lens database, and you can
also use it to see the code that's really in the EXIF.


Thanks Matthew. I hope I've put that info to good use..

William Robb

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Re: EXIF Data Source Question

2008-10-16 Thread Joseph McAllister


On Oct 16, 2008, at 09:01 , William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


A topic from the dorkforum leads me here.

When a lens type is imbedded in the EXIF data, is the lens telling  
the camera what it is in specific terms (IE: DA35mm f/2.8 macro) or  
is the lens sending a trigger value to the camera which then inserts  
the correct lens info from a self contained data base?


Thanks

William Robb



I think I have to agree that the lens name is from an internal body  
database. My K10 nor my K20 do not know the lens model when my DA  
18-250 mm or the 12-24mm is used, just the focal length at the time  
the shot is taken. But in the case of an older FA lens, it does fill  
in the Lens Model name, no problem. That might be because neither of  
those lenses is manufactured by Pentax, only badged?


Joseph McAllister
Pentaxian


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Re: EXIF Data Source Question

2008-10-16 Thread Adam Maas
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Joseph McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Oct 16, 2008, at 09:01 , William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A topic from the dorkforum leads me here.

 When a lens type is imbedded in the EXIF data, is the lens telling the
 camera what it is in specific terms (IE: DA35mm f/2.8 macro) or is the lens
 sending a trigger value to the camera which then inserts the correct lens
 info from a self contained data base?

 Thanks

 William Robb


 I think I have to agree that the lens name is from an internal body
 database. My K10 nor my K20 do not know the lens model when my DA 18-250 mm
 or the 12-24mm is used, just the focal length at the time the shot is taken.
 But in the case of an older FA lens, it does fill in the Lens Model name, no
 problem. That might be because neither of those lenses is manufactured by
 Pentax, only badged?

 Joseph McAllister
 Pentaxian


The K20D and K10D should know the 12-24, which predates both models
(and is indeed manufactured by Pentax, based on a Tokina optical
design). The K20D should also know the 18-250 which predates it, but
not the K10D.

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Re: EXIF Data Source Question

2008-10-16 Thread William Robb
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Adam Maas  wrote:


 The K20D and K10D should know the 12-24, which predates both models
 (and is indeed manufactured by Pentax, based on a Tokina optical
 design). The K20D should also know the 18-250 which predates it, but
 not the K10D.

Adam, when you say the camera should know the lens, do you mean that
it is held in the camera's internal data base?
Thanks

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Re: EXIF Data Source Question

2008-10-16 Thread Adam Maas
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:43 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Adam Maas  wrote:


 The K20D and K10D should know the 12-24, which predates both models
 (and is indeed manufactured by Pentax, based on a Tokina optical
 design). The K20D should also know the 18-250 which predates it, but
 not the K10D.

 Adam, when you say the camera should know the lens, do you mean that
 it is held in the camera's internal data base?
 Thanks

 --
 William Robb

It should be, at least for any Pentax-branded lens that's older than
the firmware on the camera.



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RE: EXIF Data Source Question

2008-10-16 Thread Bob W
 
 A topic from the dorkforum leads me here.
 
 When a lens type is imbedded in the EXIF data, is the lens 
 telling the 
 camera what it is in specific terms (IE: DA35mm f/2.8 macro) 
 or is the lens 
 sending a trigger value to the camera which then inserts the 
 correct lens 
 info from a self contained data base?
 
 Thanks
 
 William Robb 

I have no idea, but if I was the designer I'd make the lens send the
data to the body. There's no need for the body to know about lenses it
may never mate with, so storing the information in the camera is a
waste of resources. 

Bob


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