Re: Equipment Insurance

2002-07-12 Thread David A. Mann

Stephen Moore wrote:

 I'm not a pro shooter, hope but never expect to be -- but if somebody
 wants to buy a print, or offers me money to go shoot some event (and I
 think I can handle it), I'm certainly not going to say no.

I'm in much the same situation as you there.  The easiest thing you can 
do is to ask the company to define pro (don't ask us, we can't decide).

I'd love to start selling big framed prints but since I haven't even 
finished organising last years slides, that dream's a long way off yet...

 So is the best strategy simply to lie to the agent? ;-)

No.  If you're caught you won't get insurance.

 The extent of coverage also varied from company to company. Worst
 case was the actual price paid for the specific covered item.
 The rest would pay actual cash value of a comparable item, e.g.,
 if I paid KEH $200 for a used item 4 years ago, and it now goes
 for $300, it should be insured for the higher amount. So what
 does one do in cases where the (used) item comes available
 infrequently, seldom, or rarely? 

With my insurance company I had to insure my gear in my household 
contents.  They would not allow me to create a separate policy just for 
my photographic equipment.

I had to upgrade to the premier policy to get replacement value cover.  
Anything worth more than NZ$2,000 has to be specifically declared, so I 
had to get some written replacement-value quotes from the camera shop.  A 
lot of my gear is not replaceable so it was quoted with the nearest-
equivalent new product, eg FA300/4.5 for A*300/4, MZ-S for Z-1p.  Despite 
the replacement gear being newer I still couldn't bear to think of losing 
my old manual focus lenses.

When I insured my gear early this year, my policy was out of date anwyay. 
Even though the total insured value more than doubled, plus upgrading to 
a better policy, it only costs me a few dollars more per month.  And I 
now have a little more peace-of-mind.

Cheers,


- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ (out of date)
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Re: Equipment Insurance

2002-07-11 Thread Steve Desjardins

We tacked my stuff on to our homeowner's insurance, just like my
daughter's musical instruments, for replacement value.   For this, it's
just another thing that we own that has a certain value, and we pay a
rate based on the total amount of stuff we're insuring.  Since my wife
pays the insurance bills, I have no idea how much this is.
 
Steve
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RE: Equipment Insurance

2002-07-11 Thread William D. Sawyer

Stephen,

I put mine on a Schedule as part of my Homeowner's Policy, and it covers all risks. 
I specify the value of the equipment, pay a premium based on that dollar value (about 
$1.15 per $100 valuation) and if something should happen, I get reimbursed for that 
dollar value. I provide the insurer with a spreadsheet of all my equipment and it's 
current replacement value. Much of it was bought and can be replaced with used 
equipment, so report the used value. If I want new equipment, I have to specify the 
value of the new equipment, and pay a premium based on that.  I pay the amateur rate, 
the professional rate is about double. You have to earn a substantial portion of your 
income to be considered pro, or at least hold yourself out to the public as working 
for money. If you shoot for your own enjoyment, but occasionally someone is willing to 
buy your efforts, you're still an amateur. Your agent should be able to provide you 
with the carrier's definition of pro as it must be specifie!
d somewhere in the contract (policy).  By necessity, insurance companies define all 
terms.

One concern I have currently is how to insure my newest acquisition, an A* 600mm f5.6. 
I paid $2400 used from KEH. I made certain it was covered during shipping by faxing 
the receipt to my agent/broker as soon as the transaction was finalized. I pay a 
premium based on the declared value of $2400, and if it should be broken or stolen, I 
get reimbursed $2400. But it is not a lens one sees often on the used market, so I 
might get the money, but not be able to replace my loss.  BH still lists this old 
lens, new, for about $5800.  If I want replacement value, I have to pay a premium 
based on this price, not what I paid.  I suspect I will advise the agent of the new 
price, and pay the additional premium on that, for the peace of mind.

Hope this adds some clarification. Much of this I learned from John Mustarde of this 
list (John, are you still out there - we haven't heard from you in quite some time.)

 -Original Message-
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Moore
 Sent: July 11, 2002 2:33 PM
  
 Hello PDML --
 
 May I get some feedback from the group on the ins and outs of
 insuring one's equipment against damage and theft? (The archive
 hits on the word insurance are mostly about shipping insurance.)
 
 I've made some preliminary calls to agents, including the one who 
 handles my homeowner insurance. The first question they all ask
 is, Is it for personal or business use? I don't know how to answer 
 this question truthfully.
 
 I'm not a pro shooter, hope but never expect to be -- but if somebody 
 wants to buy a print, or offers me money to go shoot some event (and I 
 think I can handle it), I'm certainly not going to say no. Especially
 with my racing stuff, when I'm at the track I tend to think of it as 
 shooting on spec, and the business part -- when it happens at all -- 
 happens after the fact. So is the best strategy simply to lie to the
 agent? ;-)
 
 The extent of coverage also varied from company to company. Worst
 case was the actual price paid for the specific covered item.
 The rest would pay actual cash value of a comparable item, e.g.,
 if I paid KEH $200 for a used item 4 years ago, and it now goes
 for $300, it should be insured for the higher amount. So what
 does one do in cases where the (used) item comes available
 infrequently, seldom, or rarely? 
 
 How do *you* handle your equipment insurance? Are you happy with it,
 have you gotten burned, and if so, how? All feedback and advice 
 appreciated.
 
 Regards,
 Stephen Moore
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