RE: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff > Sent: 26 September 2006 00:11 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji > > Oh, it's a "must have" feature. My mistake. I just thought it was a > marketing gimmick. I'd like to see a breast enhancement and penis If you want a bigger penis, buy a gun. Or just change your order at the Chinese restaurant... Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
What's an "event?" How much time can this feature save? What does that translate to in $$? Shel - Relax, Shel. I think it's just a roll of black tape. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
> Ditto. Not knowing how it works adds to the mystery of why it's needed. > Anyone have any thoughts on the matter? I think some other cameras have > this as well. Nikon had (has?) something similar in their cameras that uses facial recognition software to fix red eyes. My shop doesn't carry Nikon P&S cameras any more, but we loved that feature when we had them. We sold a ton of 'em just on that feature alone. For people who just want a camera that "takes good pictures" without much effort, facial recognition features are a good thing. You may not need it, but there are lots of people who do. John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex "Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement." -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
- Original Message - From: "Bob Shell" Subject: Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji > > Event: wedding, bar mitzvah, office party, special office seminar, > dance, beauty pageant, and the list goes on and on. I have friends > who shoot these regularly for good money. If they could push one > button and see they got the shot they would have peace of mind. > Particularly in dark venues, pushing one button is much faster and > easier than multiple pushing, wheel spinning, whatever. I'm sure > these were the people Fuji was thinking of when they added this. > Fuji has very good market penetration among event shooters. I shot a wedding just over a month ago. It would have been nice on several occassions to be able to have an instant look at the brides face to see if I had a nice picture when doing some of the portriats, during the dance with her new husband and especially when dancing with her father, who appeared to be in an advanced stage of failing health. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
- Original Message - From: "Kenneth Waller" Subject: Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji > In a related dumb down item, last night on a local station there was a > 5 > minute segment on a new HP digital P+S that had a slimming filter. Pentax has had that for years.. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
On Sep 25, 2006, at 9:07 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > What's an "event?" How much time can this feature save? What does > that > translate to in $$? Event: wedding, bar mitzvah, office party, special office seminar, dance, beauty pageant, and the list goes on and on. I have friends who shoot these regularly for good money. If they could push one button and see they got the shot they would have peace of mind. Particularly in dark venues, pushing one button is much faster and easier than multiple pushing, wheel spinning, whatever. I'm sure these were the people Fuji was thinking of when they added this. Fuji has very good market penetration among event shooters. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
What's an "event?" How much time can this feature save? What does that translate to in $$? Shel > [Original Message] > From: Bob Shell > If you're not an event shooter, > Shel, it might be useless to you, > but I think event shooters will be > excited by this. It saves time, and > time is money in event shooting. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
On Sep 25, 2006, at 5:52 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > New Facial Detection Technology (Post capture Face > Zoom allows the photographer to easily and quickly zoom > in and confirm facial detail such as focus and exposure on > the LCD monitor.) > > So, can't we all do that with our current digital cameras by using the > magnifying feature in the LCD screen. I still don't see any > benefit, nor > do I see what's different than what we already have. I guess, once > again, > my technical ignorance manifests itself. Sure you can zoom in on the face, but it takes several steps on the digital cameras I know of. This is a one button quick-zoom that picks out the face and zooms in on it. If you're not an event shooter, Shel, it might be useless to you, but I think event shooters will be excited by this. It saves time, and time is money in event shooting. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
>In a related dumb down item, last night on a local station there was a 5 >minute segment on a new HP digital P+S that had a slimming filter. >Fortunately a local Photoshop guru explained it fairly well - the camera was >compressing the image @ the center to make the subject, also in the center, >appear "thinner". When the subject wasn't in the center of the image, it >"thinned/shrunk" what was. >I guess if it sells the camera so what - we don't have to buy it. If you buy a Pentax DSLR Ds and later you do! Powell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
On 26/09/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Going by info on the link to the 22-bit ADC that Rob posted, it detects > faces in the viewing area then gives preference to them for focus and > exposure. If you could not turn it off it would cause some problems in > that a landscape with someone in the foreground would turn into a > portrait, etc. Seems like a nice feature for snapshot cameras. One step > closer to camera that does not need an operator. Yes they may be using the Nucore processor, interesting feature set if so. It's just one more function that might swing some idiot to the brand, just like citing blindly that a camera has a 22 bit ADC for instance. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
I've figured out what it's good for. It keeps you from photographing Lawyers! After all, good software will easily distinguish a prick from a face where a lot of people don't seem to be able to when they're looking for a lawyer. ;-) Godfrey On Sep 25, 2006, at 3:08 PM, John Forbes wrote: > Do I gather that you are not impressed by this must-have feature then, > Shel? > > John > > On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:58:23 +0100, Shel Belinkoff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It's all a bunch of crap. Slimming filters, pet mode, child mode, >> face >> recognition, ear lobe adjustment - FEH! >> >> Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
Oh, it's a "must have" feature. My mistake. I just thought it was a marketing gimmick. I'd like to see a breast enhancement and penis enlargement function as well. Or, perhaps, better resolution, less noise, greater dynamic range, and flashier colors (black is so passe - everybody's doing it this year). Shel > [Original Message] > From: John Forbes > Do I gather that you are not impressed by this > must-have feature then, Shel? > > John > > Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > > It's all a bunch of crap. Slimming filters, pet mode, > > child mode, face recognition, ear lobe adjustment - FEH! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
Do I gather that you are not impressed by this must-have feature then, Shel? John On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:58:23 +0100, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's all a bunch of crap. Slimming filters, pet mode, child mode, face > recognition, ear lobe adjustment - FEH! > > Shel > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Date: 9/25/2006 12:59:57 PM >> Subject: Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji >> >> In a related dumb down item, last night on a local station there was a 5 >> minute segment on a new HP digital P+S that had a slimming filter. >> Fortunately a local Photoshop guru explained it fairly well - the camera > was >> compressing the image @ the center to make the subject, also in the > center, >> appear "thinner". When the subject wasn't in the center of the image, it >> "thinned/shrunk" what was. >> I guess if it sells the camera so what - we don't have to buy it. >> >> Kenneth Waller >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" >> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:32 PM >> Subject: Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji >> >> >> > How is that any faster/better than using a zoom lens? What are the >> > chances >> > of focus changing while the photog implements the detection mode, the >> > image >> > comes up on the screen, the photog checks image, recomposes, makes the >> > shot? Am I missing something here, and if so, what is it that I'm >> > overlooking? >> > >> > Shel >> > >> > >> > >> >> [Original Message] >> >> From: Bob Shell >> > >> >> P. J. Alling wrote: >> >> >> >> > It's not needed. But they have the software to implement it >> >> > somewhere, it's probably a fast efficient algorithm, so they >> >> > added it to the camera to get a bullet point no one else has, >> >> > rather than design in something actually useful. >> >> >> >> I think it could be very useful when shooting events and needing to >> >> verify that faces are in focus quickly. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> > PDML@pdml.net >> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
Maybe it's good in such a case - if that's what facial recognition will do. But the camera in question is supposed to be pro-level, or at least advanced amateur ... well, I admit to being ignorant. I'll just grab my dunce cap and sit in the corner dreaming about the implementation of Tri-X mode on the next K10D firmware upgrade. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Date: 9/25/2006 3:08:14 PM > Subject: Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji > > The two areas that I can think of where this could be helpful is both > are for point and shooters. The first is the fairly typical picture > with two people in it where there is really no one in the center. > What commonly happens is the camera user doesn't think twice about the > autofocus - just points at the two people and presses the button. The > camera ends up focusing on the background between the two people. My > wife has taken plenty of these shots. The face recognition could > perhaps detect the general area where a person is and direct the focus > on that plane rather than the background. For a thinking > photographer, this is not an issue, but for someone with no clue, it > could be useful. The other use would be related to post processing in > camera. There are a few cameras out that will attempt to remove > redeye from the pic after being shot. As the flash on the P&S is so > close to the lens, the odds of redeye are rather high. So the face > detection could be used to figure out where the eyes would be and then > better able to correct the redeye rather than just relying on color. > > Note that both of these uses are for people using a P&S and without > much clue how to control the camera. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
The two areas that I can think of where this could be helpful is both are for point and shooters. The first is the fairly typical picture with two people in it where there is really no one in the center. What commonly happens is the camera user doesn't think twice about the autofocus - just points at the two people and presses the button. The camera ends up focusing on the background between the two people. My wife has taken plenty of these shots. The face recognition could perhaps detect the general area where a person is and direct the focus on that plane rather than the background. For a thinking photographer, this is not an issue, but for someone with no clue, it could be useful. The other use would be related to post processing in camera. There are a few cameras out that will attempt to remove redeye from the pic after being shot. As the flash on the P&S is so close to the lens, the odds of redeye are rather high. So the face detection could be used to figure out where the eyes would be and then better able to correct the redeye rather than just relying on color. Note that both of these uses are for people using a P&S and without much clue how to control the camera. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, September 25, 2006, 2:36:55 PM, you wrote: SB> So how does that help anything? I still don't get it. If you've made the SB> shot, you can see it on the LCD screen and know what you got. Where does SB> this new "feature" do anything different. I'm still not seeing how it SB> helps a thing. SB> How the hell can you reshoot a scene at an event after the fact. SB> Everything has changed. Unless, of course, this new feature stops time and SB> gets the subject to redo his/her facial expression. BTW, what's an event? SB> Some big arena thing, like a concert, a ball game, a child's birthday SB> party, mom and dad's fiftieth anniversary? They're all events of one sort SB> or another to my way of thinking. Is there some photographic definition of SB> "event" of which I'm unaware? SB> You've not convinced me that there's any reason for this feature. Just SB> more bull-pucky for the marketing department if you ask me, which no one SB> did. SB> Shel >> [Original Message] >> From: Bob Shell >> You verify focus, expression, etc., ***after*** taking the photo. It >> allows you to check it quickly on the spot so you can reshoot if >> it's not right. I can see it as being very valuable for event >> shooters, a big chunk of Fuji's market. >> >> Bob >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
It's all a bunch of crap. Slimming filters, pet mode, child mode, face recognition, ear lobe adjustment - FEH! Shel > [Original Message] > From: Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Date: 9/25/2006 12:59:57 PM > Subject: Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji > > In a related dumb down item, last night on a local station there was a 5 > minute segment on a new HP digital P+S that had a slimming filter. > Fortunately a local Photoshop guru explained it fairly well - the camera was > compressing the image @ the center to make the subject, also in the center, > appear "thinner". When the subject wasn't in the center of the image, it > "thinned/shrunk" what was. > I guess if it sells the camera so what - we don't have to buy it. > > Kenneth Waller > > - Original Message - > From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji > > > > How is that any faster/better than using a zoom lens? What are the > > chances > > of focus changing while the photog implements the detection mode, the > > image > > comes up on the screen, the photog checks image, recomposes, makes the > > shot? Am I missing something here, and if so, what is it that I'm > > overlooking? > > > > Shel > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Bob Shell > > > >> P. J. Alling wrote: > >> > >> > It's not needed. But they have the software to implement it > >> > somewhere, it's probably a fast efficient algorithm, so they > >> > added it to the camera to get a bullet point no one else has, > >> > rather than design in something actually useful. > >> > >> I think it could be very useful when shooting events and needing to > >> verify that faces are in focus quickly. > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
All I see on that page is this: New Facial Detection Technology (Post capture Face Zoom allows the photographer to easily and quickly zoom in and confirm facial detail such as focus and exposure on the LCD monitor.) So, can't we all do that with our current digital cameras by using the magnifying feature in the LCD screen. I still don't see any benefit, nor do I see what's different than what we already have. I guess, once again, my technical ignorance manifests itself. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Date: 9/25/2006 1:09:35 PM > Subject: Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji > > This is new. You can read a brief description here: > > http://www.fujifilmusa.com/finepixs5pro > > bob > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
So how does that help anything? I still don't get it. If you've made the shot, you can see it on the LCD screen and know what you got. Where does this new "feature" do anything different. I'm still not seeing how it helps a thing. How the hell can you reshoot a scene at an event after the fact. Everything has changed. Unless, of course, this new feature stops time and gets the subject to redo his/her facial expression. BTW, what's an event? Some big arena thing, like a concert, a ball game, a child's birthday party, mom and dad's fiftieth anniversary? They're all events of one sort or another to my way of thinking. Is there some photographic definition of "event" of which I'm unaware? You've not convinced me that there's any reason for this feature. Just more bull-pucky for the marketing department if you ask me, which no one did. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Bob Shell > You verify focus, expression, etc., ***after*** taking the photo. It > allows you to check it quickly on the spot so you can reshoot if > it's not right. I can see it as being very valuable for event > shooters, a big chunk of Fuji's market. > > Bob > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
Going by info on the link to the 22-bit ADC that Rob posted, it detects faces in the viewing area then gives preference to them for focus and exposure. If you could not turn it off it would cause some problems in that a landscape with someone in the foreground would turn into a portrait, etc. Seems like a nice feature for snapshot cameras. One step closer to camera that does not need an operator. Humm...? that is what I think of my little digicam, I am a camera operator when I use it, not a photographer. Damn, I spent years learning to be a photographer! -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Ditto. Not knowing how it works adds to the mystery of why it's needed. > Anyone have any thoughts on the matter? I think some other cameras have > this as well. > > Shel > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi > >> Why I would need a camera to detect faces >> remains a question mark for me. > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
Kenneth Waller wrote: > In a related dumb down item, last night on a local station there was a 5 > minute segment on a new HP digital P+S that had a slimming filter. > Fortunately a local Photoshop guru explained it fairly well - the camera was > compressing the image @ the center to make the subject, also in the center, > appear "thinner". When the subject wasn't in the center of the image, it > "thinned/shrunk" what was. > I guess if it sells the camera so what - we don't have to buy it. > > Kenneth Waller Er, if you bought any Pentax DSLR other than the original D, then I think you do.. > > - Original Message - > From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji > > > >>How is that any faster/better than using a zoom lens? What are the >>chances >>of focus changing while the photog implements the detection mode, the >>image >>comes up on the screen, the photog checks image, recomposes, makes the >>shot? Am I missing something here, and if so, what is it that I'm >>overlooking? >> >>Shel >> >> >> >> >>>[Original Message] >>>From: Bob Shell >> >>>P. J. Alling wrote: >>> >>> >>>>It's not needed. But they have the software to implement it >>>>somewhere, it's probably a fast efficient algorithm, so they >>>>added it to the camera to get a bullet point no one else has, >>> >>> > rather than design in something actually useful. >>> >>>I think it could be very useful when shooting events and needing to >>>verify that faces are in focus quickly. >> >> >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
This is new. You can read a brief description here: http://www.fujifilmusa.com/finepixs5pro bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
In a related dumb down item, last night on a local station there was a 5 minute segment on a new HP digital P+S that had a slimming filter. Fortunately a local Photoshop guru explained it fairly well - the camera was compressing the image @ the center to make the subject, also in the center, appear "thinner". When the subject wasn't in the center of the image, it "thinned/shrunk" what was. I guess if it sells the camera so what - we don't have to buy it. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji > How is that any faster/better than using a zoom lens? What are the > chances > of focus changing while the photog implements the detection mode, the > image > comes up on the screen, the photog checks image, recomposes, makes the > shot? Am I missing something here, and if so, what is it that I'm > overlooking? > > Shel > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Bob Shell > >> P. J. Alling wrote: >> >> > It's not needed. But they have the software to implement it >> > somewhere, it's probably a fast efficient algorithm, so they >> > added it to the camera to get a bullet point no one else has, >> > rather than design in something actually useful. >> >> I think it could be very useful when shooting events and needing to >> verify that faces are in focus quickly. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
"P. J. Alling" wrote: > > It's not needed. But they have the software to implement it somewhere, > it's probably a fast efficient algorithm, so they added it to the camera > to get a bullet point no one else has, rather than design in something > actually useful. > MARK! ann > Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > >Ditto. Not knowing how it works adds to the mystery of why it's needed. > >Anyone have any thoughts on the matter? I think some other cameras have > >this as well. > > > >Shel > > > > > > > > > > > >>[Original Message] > >>From: Godfrey DiGiorgi > >> > >> > > > > > > > >>Why I would need a camera to detect faces > >>remains a question mark for me. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. > > --Albert Einstein > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
On Sep 25, 2006, at 3:32 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > How is that any faster/better than using a zoom lens? What are the > chances > of focus changing while the photog implements the detection mode, > the image > comes up on the screen, the photog checks image, recomposes, makes the > shot? Am I missing something here, and if so, what is it that I'm > overlooking? You verify focus, expression, etc., ***after*** taking the photo. It allows you to check it quickly on the spot so you can reshoot if it's not right. I can see it as being very valuable for event shooters, a big chunk of Fuji's market. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
Dumbing down is, IMO, not a very good thing. Soon cats will be taking pics of their humans ... I can imagine how the fur will fly on a cat mail list "Not another pic of a stupid human! sheesh. I wanna see some mouse pics." Shel > [Original Message] > From: Kenneth Waller > Shel for me its just the dumbing down of > photography that been going on for a while. > Don't know if its good or bad. > > Ditto. Not knowing how it works adds to > > the mystery of why it's needed. > > Anyone have any thoughts on the matter? > > I think some other cameras have > > this as well. > > > > Shel > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi > > > >> Why I would need a camera to detect > >> faces remains a question mark for me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
Who's talking about compact cameras? I thought we were talking about the new Fuji S5 pro DSLR. Bob On Sep 25, 2006, at 3:34 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > Kind of a laughable idea when you consider that the camera in > question is a pocket-sized compact. I don't go "shooting events" with > a P&S, and the DoF of any digital P&S is so great that you couldn't > tell whether it was actually in or out of focus on the built in LCD > anyway. > > The Fuji F30 is a great little camera. I'd like the same thing but > with manual focus capability, a prime lens with about 40mm equivalent > field of view, and RAW format, not this "face detection" nonsense. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
You're mistaking something you can do already with making it automatic. This seldom works as well as it would manually. Bob Shell wrote: >On Sep 25, 2006, at 3:27 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > > > >>It's not needed. But they have the software to implement it >>somewhere, >>it's probably a fast efficient algorithm, so they added it to the >>camera >>to get a bullet point no one else has, rather than design in something >>actually useful. >> >> > >I think it could be very useful when shooting events and needing to >verify that faces are in focus quickly. > >Bob > > > -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
Here's something from 2004 that describes the technology. However, I don't know if it's the same as what's in the new cameras. http://tinyurl.com/dze65 Shel > [Original Message] > From: Bob Shell < > I think it could be very useful when shooting events > and needing to verify that faces are in focus quickly. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
On Sep 25, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Bob Shell wrote: > > On Sep 25, 2006, at 3:27 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > >> It's not needed. But they have the software to implement it >> somewhere, >> it's probably a fast efficient algorithm, so they added it to the >> camera >> to get a bullet point no one else has, rather than design in >> something >> actually useful. > > I think it could be very useful when shooting events and needing to > verify that faces are in focus quickly. Kind of a laughable idea when you consider that the camera in question is a pocket-sized compact. I don't go "shooting events" with a P&S, and the DoF of any digital P&S is so great that you couldn't tell whether it was actually in or out of focus on the built in LCD anyway. The Fuji F30 is a great little camera. I'd like the same thing but with manual focus capability, a prime lens with about 40mm equivalent field of view, and RAW format, not this "face detection" nonsense. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
How is that any faster/better than using a zoom lens? What are the chances of focus changing while the photog implements the detection mode, the image comes up on the screen, the photog checks image, recomposes, makes the shot? Am I missing something here, and if so, what is it that I'm overlooking? Shel > [Original Message] > From: Bob Shell > P. J. Alling wrote: > > > It's not needed. But they have the software to implement it > > somewhere, it's probably a fast efficient algorithm, so they > > added it to the camera to get a bullet point no one else has, > > rather than design in something actually useful. > > I think it could be very useful when shooting events and needing to > verify that faces are in focus quickly. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
Shel for me its just the dumbing down of photography that been going on for a while. Don't know if its good or bad. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Face Detection Technology by Fuji > Ditto. Not knowing how it works adds to the mystery of why it's needed. > Anyone have any thoughts on the matter? I think some other cameras have > this as well. > > Shel > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Godfrey DiGiorgi > >> Why I would need a camera to detect faces >> remains a question mark for me. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
Perhaps optimize exposure for the skin, and AF on the eyes? So you can concentrate on the expression. Just a guess. On Monday 25 September 2006 21:10, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > So, what's the advantage of that compared to zooming with the lens? What's > different? And so what? By the time you make the shot the facial > expression is different, as might be the focus. What is etc? Is there > more than just expression and focus that you'd want to check?Can you, or > anyone, explain more? > > Shel > > > [Original Message] > > From: Bob Shell > > > > Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > > Not knowing how it works adds to the mystery of why it's > > > needed. Anyone have any thoughts on the matter? I think some > > > other cameras have this as well. > > > > On the Fuji it allows you to quick-zoom in on the face to check for > > focus, facial expression, etc., on the camera's LCD monitor. -- Frits Wüthrich -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
On Sep 25, 2006, at 3:27 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > It's not needed. But they have the software to implement it > somewhere, > it's probably a fast efficient algorithm, so they added it to the > camera > to get a bullet point no one else has, rather than design in something > actually useful. I think it could be very useful when shooting events and needing to verify that faces are in focus quickly. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
It's not needed. But they have the software to implement it somewhere, it's probably a fast efficient algorithm, so they added it to the camera to get a bullet point no one else has, rather than design in something actually useful. Shel Belinkoff wrote: >Ditto. Not knowing how it works adds to the mystery of why it's needed. >Anyone have any thoughts on the matter? I think some other cameras have >this as well. > >Shel > > > > > >>[Original Message] >>From: Godfrey DiGiorgi >> >> > > > >>Why I would need a camera to detect faces >>remains a question mark for me. >> >> > > > > > -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
So, what's the advantage of that compared to zooming with the lens? What's different? And so what? By the time you make the shot the facial expression is different, as might be the focus. What is etc? Is there more than just expression and focus that you'd want to check?Can you, or anyone, explain more? Shel > [Original Message] > From: Bob Shell > Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > > Not knowing how it works adds to the mystery of why it's > > needed. Anyone have any thoughts on the matter? I think some > > other cameras have this as well. > > On the Fuji it allows you to quick-zoom in on the face to check for > focus, facial expression, etc., on the camera's LCD monitor. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Face Detection Technology by Fuji
On Sep 25, 2006, at 1:16 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > Ditto. Not knowing how it works adds to the mystery of why it's > needed. > Anyone have any thoughts on the matter? I think some other cameras > have > this as well. On the Fuji it allows you to quick-zoom in on the face to check for focus, facial expression, etc., on the camera's LCD monitor. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Face Detection Technology by Fuji
Ditto. Not knowing how it works adds to the mystery of why it's needed. Anyone have any thoughts on the matter? I think some other cameras have this as well. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi > Why I would need a camera to detect faces > remains a question mark for me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
