GESO: From The Cordon

2011-04-23 Thread David Mann 
Hi all,

We took a 4-hour walk around the CBD cordon today.  I didn't actually realise 
we were going to go all the way around, otherwise I'd have brought my own 
camera.  Janet had her point & shoot so she took a whole lot of photos on the 
way around.  I took a few where she wanted to reach over the fence.

I'm playing with jAlbum now to save effort and I haven't played too much with 
its different skins... you can click on any photo to see the full version.

http://www.multi.net.nz/from-the-cordon/

Seeing some of this stuff was quite sobering, especially the CTV site.  After 
this walk I really believe them when they say it's going to take months just to 
reopen the area to the public.  I can't even begin to think of the scale of the 
cleanup in Japan.

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: GESO: From The Cordon

2011-04-23 Thread Daniel J. Matyola 
Those are quite moving.

Dan

On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 6:56 AM, David Mann  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We took a 4-hour walk around the CBD cordon today.  I didn't actually realise 
> we were going to go all the way around, otherwise I'd have brought my own 
> camera.  Janet had her point & shoot so she took a whole lot of photos on the 
> way around.  I took a few where she wanted to reach over the fence.
>
> I'm playing with jAlbum now to save effort and I haven't played too much with 
> its different skins... you can click on any photo to see the full version.
>
> http://www.multi.net.nz/from-the-cordon/
>
> Seeing some of this stuff was quite sobering, especially the CTV site.  After 
> this walk I really believe them when they say it's going to take months just 
> to reopen the area to the public.  I can't even begin to think of the scale 
> of the cleanup in Japan.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
>
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RE: GESO: From The Cordon

2011-04-23 Thread Bob W 
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> David Mann
> 
> We took a 4-hour walk around the CBD cordon today.  [...]
> 
> http://www.multi.net.nz/from-the-cordon/
> 
> Seeing some of this stuff was quite sobering, especially the CTV site.
> After this walk I really believe them when they say it's going to take
> months just to reopen the area to the public.  I can't even begin to
> think of the scale of the cleanup in Japan.

it all looks rather post-apocalyptic. I'd like to see that. In many ways it
also reminds me of UK inner-cities during the slum clearances of the
60s-80s.

B


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Re: GESO: From The Cordon

2011-04-23 Thread David Mann 
On Apr 24, 2011, at 2:27 AM, Bob W wrote:

> it all looks rather post-apocalyptic.

That's how I felt about it.  The sound of blinds batting around in the breeze 
brought it home.  Being a holiday weekend the Civil Defence and demolition 
workers were away and the only people about were police and army personnel 
keeping an eye on the cordons.  The normally bustling city was silent.

It's quite surreal to see buildings that look OK at first glance but then you 
see there's something not quite right.  One fairly big one I saw is on a slight 
lean, another couple I noticed looked as if they'd twisted.  We saw a number of 
empty lots and piles of rubble from demolished or collapsed buildings.  And as 
you can see from the photos, there are many more that will need to come down.

I'm trying not to get sentimental about it because we have to pick up and move 
on.  It's the heritage buildings I'll miss the most.  Some may be rebuilt but 
only if it can be done safely.

Dave


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RE: GESO: From The Cordon

2011-04-24 Thread Bob W 
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> David Mann
> 
[..]
> 
> I'm trying not to get sentimental about it because we have to pick up
> and move on.  It's the heritage buildings I'll miss the most.  Some may
> be rebuilt but only if it can be done safely.
> 

build a new heritage. Think about other places which have rebuilt completely
- London after the great fire, Paris under Napoleon III, Berlin, Dresden,
London again, Coventry, Saint-Malo etc. 

No, on second thoughts, don't do Coventry. But there's no shortage of good
models.

B


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Re: GESO: From The Cordon

2011-04-24 Thread David Mann 
On Apr 24, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Bob W wrote:

> build a new heritage. Think about other places which have rebuilt completely
> - London after the great fire, Paris under Napoleon III, Berlin, Dresden,
> London again, Coventry, Saint-Malo etc. 

Yes, I think that's been mentioned by those in charge, and it's certainly 
something I've thought of earlier.  Definitely an opportunity.  But to be 
honest I doubt it'll happen.  The focus will be on fast and cheap.

I'm not sure how it's going to play out though.  Rebuilding the CBD is 
secondary to getting people back into habitable homes, so once the demolitions 
have finished and the remaining buildings have been made safe, the place is 
likely to look a bit empty for a while.

By the time the CBD is rebuilt, the businesses that were there will have built 
up a new customer base in the suburbs and another move could be too disruptive. 
 And a lot of people are going to think twice about working in a high-rise 
again.  So new businesses will move in, and I wouldn't be surprised if they 
focus on building some more inner-city apartments.

There is already concern that the recovery authority has been granted way too 
much power.  It's going to be very interesting to say the least.

Cheers,
Dave


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RE: GESO: From The Cordon

2011-04-24 Thread Bob W 
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> David Mann
> 
> On Apr 24, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Bob W wrote:
> 
> > build a new heritage. Think about other places which have rebuilt
> completely
> > - London after the great fire, Paris under Napoleon III, Berlin,
> Dresden,
> > London again, Coventry, Saint-Malo etc.
> 
> Yes, I think that's been mentioned by those in charge, and it's
> certainly something I've thought of earlier.  Definitely an
> opportunity.  But to be honest I doubt it'll happen.  The focus will be
> on fast and cheap.
> 
> I'm not sure how it's going to play out though.  Rebuilding the CBD is
> secondary to getting people back into habitable homes, so once the
> demolitions have finished and the remaining buildings have been made
> safe, the place is likely to look a bit empty for a while.
> 
[...]

if they offer temporary accommodation, make sure people get a clear
definition of temporary:


B


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Re: GESO: From The Cordon

2011-04-24 Thread David Mann 
On Apr 25, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Bob W wrote:

> if they offer temporary accommodation, make sure people get a clear
> definition of temporary:
>  ion-london>

I think I saw a video about that on the BBC website a while ago.

There will be temporary "villages" (I wonder if that's a code word).  There was 
talk of campervans but with the rugby world cup coming up I'm not sure whether 
they're going ahead with that.



Dave


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