Re: High ISO - Kx further inquiries
Bruce, I share your point of view. I found a similar situation with photographing swing dances. For a dance shot, f/4 is about as shallow DOF as you want to go. I find 17-70/4 is very suitable for this. (It also gives a little bit of the longer end, - which is occasionally handy, but you loose on the wide end) Taking photographs at tango events is different. On one hand, some of them do not allow flash, - on another hand, you get more slow moments in the dance, when they hit a line, especially in performances. One is forced (and occasionally can) go to larger apertures, and goes for higher ISOs. Even in those cases, the shallow DOF at 1.4 can be a problem. (IIRC, when I tried my FA50/1.4 I was getting better results closing it to 1.7 - but by no means it was a good, well defined test.) However, I decided that for the majority of cases, fast (and visually confirmed) multi-segment AF (of K-7) is more important to me than the higher ISO. Hence, between K-7 and K-x, I chose K-7 for now. I am tempted to try Nikon D200 or something like that at the next tango event, if I would be able to get my hands on one. Igor Mon Feb 1 20:54:11 CST 2010 Bruce Dayton wrote: I have shot this venue the last two years so I know what I am up against. The only way to shoot it is with a wide to short tele zoom - basically the DA* 16-50 works extremely well. Since I have it and used it last year, that is the lens of choice. For this particular use, AF will probably not be used much. These are team competitions where each member of the team does the same basic thing one after the other. So you would have 10 kids vault one after the other. Literally seconds apart. So you pre-focus on a spot and fire as each one passes through. I do get the run of the floor so I can move around, hence little need for a long lens. But for other basketball shots and evening soccer, continuous AF would be important. Several have mentioned a superfast lens like 1.2 - 1.8 - the issue with that aside from no zoom capability is that I don't want to shoot with so little DOF - f4 is about as fast as I want to shoot. -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: High ISO - Kx further inquiries
Faster lenses are good and the 77/1.8 limited is still for sale. Either Pentax 85/1.4 is rare to find. And the A*135/1.8 is made of 'unobtanium'. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Sandy Harris sandyinch...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/1/10, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Very much appreciated. If there is enough difference I may spring for a K-x. Could you get a faster lens instead? The 77/1.8 limited and the 85/1.4 are both reportedly excellent. Would they be long enough? If manual focus is OK, perhaps the A * 135/1.8? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: High ISO - Kx further inquiries
and Cotty is responsible for making an 85mm A* f1.4 into an M...
On 2/1/2010 10:54 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Faster lenses are good and the 77/1.8 limited is still for sale.
Either Pentax 85/1.4 is rare to find.
And the A*135/1.8 is made of 'unobtanium'.
Regards, Bob S.
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Sandy Harrissandyinch...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/1/10, Bruce Daytonbkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote:
Very much appreciated. If there is enough difference I may spring
for a K-x.
Could you get a faster lens instead? The 77/1.8 limited and
the 85/1.4 are both reportedly excellent. Would they be long
enough? If manual focus is OK, perhaps the A * 135/1.8?
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Re: High ISO - Kx further inquiries
A50/1.2 Crop as needed. stan On Feb 1, 2010, at 12:15 AM, Sandy Harris wrote: On 2/1/10, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Very much appreciated. If there is enough difference I may spring for a K-x. Could you get a faster lens instead? The 77/1.8 limited and the 85/1.4 are both reportedly excellent. Would they be long enough? If manual focus is OK, perhaps the A * 135/1.8? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: High ISO - Kx further inquiries
I'm guessing that Stan is being facetious. You really need a zoom to shoot most sporting events. You don't want to crop a 50mm shot to 200mm FOV. I thought the shots Bruce posted with the K20D were relatively noise free. I'd worry about a Kx in terms of write speed and autofocus control. You want to be able to choose your focus point when necessary, and a full buffer is not a good thing when shooting action. Paul On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: A50/1.2 Crop as needed. stan On Feb 1, 2010, at 12:15 AM, Sandy Harris wrote: On 2/1/10, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Very much appreciated. If there is enough difference I may spring for a K-x. Could you get a faster lens instead? The 77/1.8 limited and the 85/1.4 are both reportedly excellent. Would they be long enough? If manual focus is OK, perhaps the A * 135/1.8? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: High ISO - Kx further inquiries
I'm guessing that Stan is being facetious. You really need a zoom to shoot most sporting events. You don't want to crop a 50mm shot to 200mm FOV. I thought the shots Bruce posted with the K20D were relatively noise free. I'd worry about a Kx in terms of write speed and autofocus control. You want to be able to choose your focus point when necessary, and a full buffer is not a good thing when shooting action. Paul On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: A50/1.2 Crop as needed. stan On Feb 1, 2010, at 12:15 AM, Sandy Harris wrote: On 2/1/10, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Very much appreciated. If there is enough difference I may spring for a K-x. Could you get a faster lens instead? The 77/1.8 limited and the 85/1.4 are both reportedly excellent. Would they be long enough? If manual focus is OK, perhaps the A * 135/1.8? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: High ISO - Kx further inquiries
I have shot this venue the last two years so I know what I am up against. The only way to shoot it is with a wide to short tele zoom - basically the DA* 16-50 works extremely well. Since I have it and used it last year, that is the lens of choice. For this particular use, AF will probably not be used much. These are team competitions where each member of the team does the same basic thing one after the other. So you would have 10 kids vault one after the other. Literally seconds apart. So you pre-focus on a spot and fire as each one passes through. I do get the run of the floor so I can move around, hence little need for a long lens. But for other basketball shots and evening soccer, continuous AF would be important. Several have mentioned a superfast lens like 1.2 - 1.8 - the issue with that aside from no zoom capability is that I don't want to shoot with so little DOF - f4 is about as fast as I want to shoot. -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, February 1, 2010, 6:40:25 PM, you wrote: ps I'm guessing that Stan is being facetious. You really need a zoom ps to shoot most sporting events. You don't want to crop a 50mm shot to 200mm FOV. ps I thought the shots Bruce posted with the K20D were relatively ps noise free. I'd worry about a Kx in terms of write speed and ps autofocus control. You want to be able to choose your focus point ps when necessary, and a full buffer is not a good thing when shooting action. ps Paul ps On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: A50/1.2 Crop as needed. stan On Feb 1, 2010, at 12:15 AM, Sandy Harris wrote: On 2/1/10, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Very much appreciated. If there is enough difference I may spring for a K-x. Could you get a faster lens instead? The 77/1.8 limited and the 85/1.4 are both reportedly excellent. Would they be long enough? If manual focus is OK, perhaps the A * 135/1.8? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: High ISO - Kx further inquiries
I was at least half serious, but I did not consider the DOF issue. However, just in terms of quality of image, I wonder if an image shot at 1.2 and then cropped to, say, 25% of the original, might not be better than one shot at a higher ISO, uncropped. Am thinking 1.2 at 400 or 800ISO vs. 4.0 at 3200 or 6400. Mea culpa mea culpa mea culpa if my f-stop math is off... I don't wonder enough to go try it out, just an idle thought. stan On Feb 1, 2010, at 8:40 PM, paul stenquist wrote: I'm guessing that Stan is being facetious. You really need a zoom to shoot most sporting events. You don't want to crop a 50mm shot to 200mm FOV. I thought the shots Bruce posted with the K20D were relatively noise free. I'd worry about a Kx in terms of write speed and autofocus control. You want to be able to choose your focus point when necessary, and a full buffer is not a good thing when shooting action. Paul On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: A50/1.2 Crop as needed. stan On Feb 1, 2010, at 12:15 AM, Sandy Harris wrote: On 2/1/10, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Very much appreciated. If there is enough difference I may spring for a K-x. Could you get a faster lens instead? The 77/1.8 limited and the 85/1.4 are both reportedly excellent. Would they be long enough? If manual focus is OK, perhaps the A * 135/1.8? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
High ISO - Kx further inquiries
At my daughter's game yesterday, I took shots in the gym feeling the lighting will be somewhat representative of what I will face for the gymnastic meet (I have shot this meet the last two years). Here is one shot: Pentax K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 108mm ISO 3200, 1/200 @ f/2.8 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/imgp3057-1.htm Here is 100% crop: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/imgp3057-2.htm As you cans see, ISO is about as high as the K20D will do and lens is wide open. Shutter speed is a bit low, especially for gymnastics. So, would the K-x improve things? Could I get better quality at ISO 6400 with it? Thanks for your thoughts and ideas. -- Best regards, Bruce -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: High ISO - Kx further inquiries
On 01/02/2010, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: At my daughter's game yesterday, I took shots in the gym feeling the lighting will be somewhat representative of what I will face for the gymnastic meet (I have shot this meet the last two years). Here is one shot: Pentax K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 108mm ISO 3200, 1/200 @ f/2.8 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/imgp3057-1.htm Here is 100% crop: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/imgp3057-2.htm As you cans see, ISO is about as high as the K20D will do and lens is wide open. Shutter speed is a bit low, especially for gymnastics. So, would the K-x improve things? Could I get better quality at ISO 6400 with it? I'll try to do some comparative shots using my K20D and K-X with the same lens later tonight. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: High ISO - Kx further inquiries
Very much appreciated. If there is enough difference I may spring for a K-x. -- Bruce Sunday, January 31, 2010, 9:36:20 PM, you wrote: RS On 01/02/2010, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: At my daughter's game yesterday, I took shots in the gym feeling the lighting will be somewhat representative of what I will face for the gymnastic meet (I have shot this meet the last two years). Here is one shot: Pentax K20D, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 108mm ISO 3200, 1/200 @ f/2.8 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/imgp3057-1.htm Here is 100% crop: http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/imgp3057-2.htm As you cans see, ISO is about as high as the K20D will do and lens is wide open. Shutter speed is a bit low, especially for gymnastics. So, would the K-x improve things? Could I get better quality at ISO 6400 with it? RS I'll try to do some comparative shots using my K20D and K-X with the RS same lens later tonight. RS -- RS Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) RS Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours RS Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: High ISO - Kx further inquiries
On 2/1/10, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Very much appreciated. If there is enough difference I may spring for a K-x. Could you get a faster lens instead? The 77/1.8 limited and the 85/1.4 are both reportedly excellent. Would they be long enough? If manual focus is OK, perhaps the A * 135/1.8? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:38 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Very much appreciated. If there is enough difference I may spring for a K-x. I was curious about this and started to do some research. It seems that buy.com has a K-X through beach for $549: http://www.buy.com/listing/sellerlistings.asp?sku=212515822buy=1 But beach has it for $649 http://www.beachcamera.com/shop/searchresults.aspx?cti=scs=truekwd=pentax+k-xx=0y=0 I must admit that I'm more than a little curious about how the red or the white K-Xs look. It seems that if you get to the point of putting it in your cart at amazon, they are $548. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: High ISO - Kx further inquiries
I need the zoom capability. As well, I don't want that shallow of DOF - I'd like to be shooting around f4 if possible. I have shot this two years now and it will be critical to have the wide zoom DA* 16-50. So I have the lens I want, just this year they are now going with no flash scenario. Last two years, I could use my 540FGZ and things were fine. Seems that technology has forced it's way upon me. Because the capability to shoot sports without flash (high ISO bodies) is now here, the coaches are now asking it be done that way. Thanks for the thoughts, though. -- Best regards, Bruce Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:15:54 PM, you wrote: SH On 2/1/10, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Very much appreciated. If there is enough difference I may spring for a K-x. SH Could you get a faster lens instead? The 77/1.8 limited and SH the 85/1.4 are both reportedly excellent. Would they be long SH enough? If manual focus is OK, perhaps the A * 135/1.8? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
