Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon Larry Colen wrote: On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 09:34:11PM +0100, Steve Cottrell wrote: >>>> He sang a song about it. "I just wanna be your toreador". As well >>>> as >"I'm mooin' on", "It's cow or heifer", "A little less cownversation", >"milkcow blues boogie", "Moona Lisa"... The hits just keep on comin' >>> >>> Bob, you put the vaca in vacation. >>> >> >>Perhaps I was milking it a little. I'm udderly sorry about that. > >Bull. That's going a bovine beyond. I cud a been a contendah. I'll have to ruminate on that one for a bit. Make it quick before someone starts beefing about it. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
Larry Colen wrote: >On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 09:34:11PM +0100, Steve Cottrell wrote: >> >> He sang a song about it. "I just wanna be your toreador". As well as >> >"I'm mooin' on", "It's cow or heifer", "A little less cownversation", >> >"milkcow blues boogie", "Moona Lisa"... The hits just keep on comin' >> >>> >> >>> Bob, you put the vaca in vacation. >> >>> >> >> >> >>Perhaps I was milking it a little. I'm udderly sorry about that. >> > >> >Bull. >> >> That's going a bovine beyond. > >I cud a been a contendah. I'll have to ruminate on that one for a bit. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 09:34:11PM +0100, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > He sang a song about it. "I just wanna be your toreador". As well as > >"I'm mooin' on", "It's cow or heifer", "A little less cownversation", > >"milkcow blues boogie", "Moona Lisa"... The hits just keep on comin' > >>> > >>> Bob, you put the vaca in vacation. > >>> > >> > >>Perhaps I was milking it a little. I'm udderly sorry about that. > > > >Bull. > > That's going a bovine beyond. I cud a been a contendah. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
He sang a song about it. "I just wanna be your toreador". As well as >"I'm mooin' on", "It's cow or heifer", "A little less cownversation", >"milkcow blues boogie", "Moona Lisa"... The hits just keep on comin' >>> >>> Bob, you put the vaca in vacation. >>> >> >>Perhaps I was milking it a little. I'm udderly sorry about that. > >Bull. That's going a bovine beyond. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
Steve. You are slow today. You gotta get out more. Bob S. On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 2:47 PM, steve harley wrote: > on 2013-08-06 10:39 Don Guthrie wrote >> >> In my work I have seen a lot of Elvis on velvet. My favorite was Elvis as >> a >> toreador. These are usually in very small houses with heavy red velvet >> drapes >> on the picture window. I bow to no man when it comes to being an Elvis >> fanboy >> but toreador?? > > > finally figuring it out — image of Elvis rendered on velvet, not image of > Elvis' delicate little head on a velvet pillow > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
on 2013-08-06 10:39 Don Guthrie wrote In my work I have seen a lot of Elvis on velvet. My favorite was Elvis as a toreador. These are usually in very small houses with heavy red velvet drapes on the picture window. I bow to no man when it comes to being an Elvis fanboy but toreador?? finally figuring it out — image of Elvis rendered on velvet, not image of Elvis' delicate little head on a velvet pillow -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
That's is one great song, Mark and I do mean great with a lowercase "g". :) On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Bob W wrote: > >>On 6 Aug 2013, at 18:43, Larry Colen wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 05:59:37PM +0100, Bob W wrote: He sang a song about it. "I just wanna be your toreador". As well as "I'm mooin' on", "It's cow or heifer", "A little less cownversation", "milkcow blues boogie", "Moona Lisa"... The hits just keep on comin' >>> >>> Bob, you put the vaca in vacation. >>> >> >>Perhaps I was milking it a little. I'm udderly sorry about that. > > Bull. > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- "Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art" - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
Bob W wrote: >On 6 Aug 2013, at 18:43, Larry Colen wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 05:59:37PM +0100, Bob W wrote: >>> He sang a song about it. "I just wanna be your toreador". As well as "I'm >>> mooin' on", "It's cow or heifer", "A little less cownversation", "milkcow >>> blues boogie", "Moona Lisa"... The hits just keep on comin' >> >> Bob, you put the vaca in vacation. >> > >Perhaps I was milking it a little. I'm udderly sorry about that. Bull. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
On 6 Aug 2013, at 18:43, Larry Colen wrote: > On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 05:59:37PM +0100, Bob W wrote: >> He sang a song about it. "I just wanna be your toreador". As well as "I'm >> mooin' on", "It's cow or heifer", "A little less cownversation", "milkcow >> blues boogie", "Moona Lisa"... The hits just keep on comin' > > Bob, you put the vaca in vacation. > Perhaps I was milking it a little. I'm udderly sorry about that. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
Bob W wrote: >On 6 Aug 2013, at 17:39, Don Guthrie wrote: > >> In my work I have seen a lot of Elvis on velvet. My favorite was Elvis >>as a toreador. These are usually in very small houses with heavy red velvet >>drapes on the picture window. I bow to no man when it comes to being an >>Elvis fanboy but toreador?? >> >He sang a song about it. "I just wanna be your toreador". As well as >"I'm mooin' on", "It's cow or heifer", "A little less cownversation", >"milkcow blues boogie", "Moona Lisa"... The hits just keep on comin' I actually wrote and recorded a song about black velvet paintings of Elvis. Black velvet paintings of Elvis and Jesus, actually (they seem to be the two most popular subjects for these paintings). http://www.robertstech.com/stuff/black_velvet_blues.mp3 -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 05:59:37PM +0100, Bob W wrote: > He sang a song about it. "I just wanna be your toreador". As well as "I'm > mooin' on", "It's cow or heifer", "A little less cownversation", "milkcow > blues boogie", "Moona Lisa"... The hits just keep on comin' Bob, you put the vaca in vacation. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
He sang a song about it. "I just wanna be your toreador". As well as "I'm mooin' on", "It's cow or heifer", "A little less cownversation", "milkcow blues boogie", "Moona Lisa"... The hits just keep on comin' B On 6 Aug 2013, at 17:39, Don Guthrie wrote: > In my work I have seen a lot of Elvis on velvet. My favorite was Elvis as a > toreador. These are usually in very small houses with heavy red velvet drapes > on the picture window. I bow to no man when it comes to being an Elvis fanboy > but toreador?? > > > pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: >> Message: 7 >> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 16:25:11 -0500 >> From: Bob Sullivan >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Steve, >> Have you seen my photos of Elvis on velvet. >> Just the thing for over the couch in the family room. >> Regards, Bob S. >> >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM, steve harley wrote: >>> >on 2013-08-05 11:25 Larry Colen wrote >>> > >>>> >> Based on that assumption, >>>> >>if I tried to make a living selling prints at a street fair, ether I, >>>> >>or my self respect as an artist, would quickly starve to death. >>> > >>> > >>> >i am a strong art (and craft) appreciator and often visit galleries and >>> >some >>> >street fairs in Denver (and when i travel); in general, i will not go to >>> >just any street fair because the "artistry" is much as you describe; at the >>> >better fairs (e.g. Cherry Creek Arts Festival), i still find that painting >>> >and photography are the most oft-debased art forms; something about the >>> >fair >>> >audiences means that success seems to pair with (artistic and personal) >>> >glibness >>> > >>> >i find myself spending much longer in the booths of fabric, glass, ceramic, >>> >jewelry and other artists; still a mixed bag, but there's something about >>> >these other arts that allows more true creativity in the commercial context >>> >of a street fair; i am more often challenged by these artists' works >>> > >>> >galleries are another matter; good ones keep truly interesting and >>> >challenging art coming, and painting and photography seem stronger in the >>> >gallery world; despite the many flaws of the gallery system, i would >>> >probably be much happier pursuing an art career through galleries >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >-- >>> >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> >PDML@pdml.net >>> >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> >follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
Don, We go to the same art fairs. A good print of Elvis on black velvet is just what you need to build traffic at your booth. (Even an Elvis impersonator would do.) Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Don Guthrie wrote: > In my work I have seen a lot of Elvis on velvet. My favorite was Elvis as a > toreador. These are usually in very small houses with heavy red velvet > drapes on the picture window. I bow to no man when it comes to being an > Elvis fanboy but toreador?? > > > pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 16:25:11 -0500 >> From: Bob Sullivan >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Steve, >> Have you seen my photos of Elvis on velvet. >> Just the thing for over the couch in the family room. >> Regards, Bob S. >> >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM, steve harley wrote: >>> >>> >on 2013-08-05 11:25 Larry Colen wrote >>> > >>>> >>>> >> Based on that assumption, >>>> >>if I tried to make a living selling prints at a street fair, ether I, >>>> >>or my self respect as an artist, would quickly starve to death. >>> >>> > >>> > >>> >i am a strong art (and craft) appreciator and often visit galleries and >>> > some >>> >street fairs in Denver (and when i travel); in general, i will not go to >>> >just any street fair because the "artistry" is much as you describe; at >>> > the >>> >better fairs (e.g. Cherry Creek Arts Festival), i still find that >>> > painting >>> >and photography are the most oft-debased art forms; something about the >>> > fair >>> >audiences means that success seems to pair with (artistic and personal) >>> >glibness >>> > >>> >i find myself spending much longer in the booths of fabric, glass, >>> > ceramic, >>> >jewelry and other artists; still a mixed bag, but there's something >>> > about >>> >these other arts that allows more true creativity in the commercial >>> > context >>> >of a street fair; i am more often challenged by these artists' works >>> > >>> >galleries are another matter; good ones keep truly interesting and >>> >challenging art coming, and painting and photography seem stronger in >>> > the >>> >gallery world; despite the many flaws of the gallery system, i would >>> >probably be much happier pursuing an art career through galleries >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >-- >>> >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> >PDML@pdml.net >>> >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> >follow the directions. >> >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
No, he's in his white sequined jumpsuit singing 'Hound Dog.' The black velvet canvas really makes him stand out. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 04:25:11PM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote: >> Steve, >> Have you seen my photos of Elvis on velvet. > > Are those the potos of Elvis playing poker with the dogs? > > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 04:25:11PM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote: > Steve, > Have you seen my photos of Elvis on velvet. Are those the potos of Elvis playing poker with the dogs? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
on 2013-08-05 15:25 Bob Sullivan wrote Steve, Have you seen my photos of Elvis on velvet. Just the thing for over the couch in the family room. no i have not seen them - you were there at the viewing of his corpse? i don't have a family room, but i do have a couch; unfortunately for Elvis, only works depicting children are on that wall at the moment i don't suppose it's likely, but if you happen to crack open his coffin, and you can get a child into the scene and take another photo, i'd be interested in that -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
Exactly, Don. You have to put yourself in the mindset of folks going to craft fairs: looking for inexpensive gifts for friends and relatives. Maybe something decorative for the bathroom. They are not looking for expensive art, especially large framed objects. OTOH, people going into galleries are possibly in the market and frame of mind for art. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Don Guthrie wrote: > Larry I have had the same thoughts & reaction to our local Saturday crafts > fairs. One very good local pro offers about 20 different photos all done in > exactly same style (sorta Instagram look.) As the summer has gone on her > inventory has dwindled so she is selling. I do think people may like one > photo and buy a different one as they are looking more for something to go > with their decor more than they are looking for art to treasure. > I have been told it is difficult to sell large matted prints.But if you want > to sell, your best bet is 5 note-cards with photos wrapped in a ribbon and > priced around 15-20 bucks. Everybody needs greeting cards or knows someone > who does. > > Someday when I retire I may like you set up and find out for myself. > > pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:25:24 -0700 >> From: Larry Colen >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon >> Message-ID:<20130805172524.gh22...@platypus.gruk.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> >> There was a little street fair in Santa Cruz this weekend, and while >> I was downtown I took a few minutes to peruse the booths. There >> were a couple of photographers there selling prints. I didn't talk >> to them, and can only assume that they've been selling at fairs long >> enough to tune their inventory to what sells. Based on that assumption, >> >> if I tried to make a living selling prints at a street fair, ether I, >> or my self respect as an artist, would quickly starve to death. >> >> When I was in high school, the father of one of my best friends would >> sell his paintings at art shows. He basically had three paintings >> that he'd do, with minor variations on the boat, the dock, and maybe >> the sky. He found what sold, and that was what he painted. >> >> I suspect that it would be educational sometime to print up a bunch >> of my photos, and set up a booth at a street fair sometime, just to >> see what photosi, if any, people liked well enough to spend money on. >> >> I'm sure that I would learn a lot from such a weekend. I just don't >> know whether I'd learn more about my photography, or the artistic >> tastes of the American public. >> >> -- Larry Colen > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
Steve, Have you seen my photos of Elvis on velvet. Just the thing for over the couch in the family room. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM, steve harley wrote: > on 2013-08-05 11:25 Larry Colen wrote > >> Based on that assumption, >> if I tried to make a living selling prints at a street fair, ether I, >> or my self respect as an artist, would quickly starve to death. > > > i am a strong art (and craft) appreciator and often visit galleries and some > street fairs in Denver (and when i travel); in general, i will not go to > just any street fair because the "artistry" is much as you describe; at the > better fairs (e.g. Cherry Creek Arts Festival), i still find that painting > and photography are the most oft-debased art forms; something about the fair > audiences means that success seems to pair with (artistic and personal) > glibness > > i find myself spending much longer in the booths of fabric, glass, ceramic, > jewelry and other artists; still a mixed bag, but there's something about > these other arts that allows more true creativity in the commercial context > of a street fair; i am more often challenged by these artists' works > > galleries are another matter; good ones keep truly interesting and > challenging art coming, and painting and photography seem stronger in the > gallery world; despite the many flaws of the gallery system, i would > probably be much happier pursuing an art career through galleries > > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
on 2013-08-05 11:25 Larry Colen wrote Based on that assumption, if I tried to make a living selling prints at a street fair, ether I, or my self respect as an artist, would quickly starve to death. i am a strong art (and craft) appreciator and often visit galleries and some street fairs in Denver (and when i travel); in general, i will not go to just any street fair because the "artistry" is much as you describe; at the better fairs (e.g. Cherry Creek Arts Festival), i still find that painting and photography are the most oft-debased art forms; something about the fair audiences means that success seems to pair with (artistic and personal) glibness i find myself spending much longer in the booths of fabric, glass, ceramic, jewelry and other artists; still a mixed bag, but there's something about these other arts that allows more true creativity in the commercial context of a street fair; i am more often challenged by these artists' works galleries are another matter; good ones keep truly interesting and challenging art coming, and painting and photography seem stronger in the gallery world; despite the many flaws of the gallery system, i would probably be much happier pursuing an art career through galleries -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
I went to a street fair Saturday afternoon
There was a little street fair in Santa Cruz this weekend, and while I was downtown I took a few minutes to peruse the booths. There were a couple of photographers there selling prints. I didn't talk to them, and can only assume that they've been selling at fairs long enough to tune their inventory to what sells. Based on that assumption, if I tried to make a living selling prints at a street fair, ether I, or my self respect as an artist, would quickly starve to death. When I was in high school, the father of one of my best friends would sell his paintings at art shows. He basically had three paintings that he'd do, with minor variations on the boat, the dock, and maybe the sky. He found what sold, and that was what he painted. I suspect that it would be educational sometime to print up a bunch of my photos, and set up a booth at a street fair sometime, just to see what photosi, if any, people liked well enough to spend money on. I'm sure that I would learn a lot from such a weekend. I just don't know whether I'd learn more about my photography, or the artistic tastes of the American public. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
