Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
On 2/2/07, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: and will pre-announce a K1D I better get the cutlery out ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
Or doesn't happen:-) On Feb 2, 2007, at 12:24 AM, David Savage wrote: Yep. And we'll keep going over it until it happens. Dave At 02:14 PM 2/02/2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Are we going to go through all this crap yet again? This must be the 57th time in two years. G On Feb 1, 2007, at 9:05 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: A 1.3x crop would be covered by most of the existing DA lenses. I could see them with a warning just like the flash warning built into the ZX-5n when you used a lens, (or just using a focal length on a zoom), that would cause the Flash to Vignette. Sure it's a stopgap but they also have a promise of the D FA lenses waiting in the wings. Paul Stenquist wrote: It would obviously have to be an image circle that worked with the current DA lenses. The FAs are almost all out of production and new DAs are being introduced all the time. They won't introduce a camera that has no lens support. Paul On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:49 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. I've been expecting something like this for some time. If they intend it to be anything other than marketing hype that is. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. If the rumours of the next canon being 22MP are accurate (or even close), that would explain the delay. Infinite delay might be the best course of action unless they can go straight to 30MP. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... There have long been rumours of Pentax working on their own CMOS sensor. Given the continuing megapixel wars (Canon going over 17MP and Nikon going to 15-16 MP), I'm guessing it'll be around 15MP. This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
They've never promised DFA lenses in short focal lengths, only in the 300 to 600 range. I just don't see them introducing a camera that can't use the new DA* lenses at the same time the DA* lenses go on sale. That would be marketing suicide. Paul On Feb 2, 2007, at 12:05 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: A 1.3x crop would be covered by most of the existing DA lenses. I could see them with a warning just like the flash warning built into the ZX-5n when you used a lens, (or just using a focal length on a zoom), that would cause the Flash to Vignette. Sure it's a stopgap but they also have a promise of the D FA lenses waiting in the wings. Paul Stenquist wrote: It would obviously have to be an image circle that worked with the current DA lenses. The FAs are almost all out of production and new DAs are being introduced all the time. They won't introduce a camera that has no lens support. Paul On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:49 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. I've been expecting something like this for some time. If they intend it to be anything other than marketing hype that is. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. If the rumours of the next canon being 22MP are accurate (or even close), that would explain the delay. Infinite delay might be the best course of action unless they can go straight to 30MP. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... There have long been rumours of Pentax working on their own CMOS sensor. Given the continuing megapixel wars (Canon going over 17MP and Nikon going to 15-16 MP), I'm guessing it'll be around 15MP. This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
John Francis wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 04:47:19PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... I suspect it's more likely to be a mis-translation, and Pentax will be showcasing the K10D - that is, after all, a 'new' DSLR - and will pre-announce a K1D (far more likely if the 654D is to be delayed). But we'll know for certain in a few meeks (PMA is March 8th-11th). Actually, I wouldn't be shocked for a replacement K100D and K110D to be announced as well. Probably changes will be SSM compatibility and (hopefully) bigger buffers to remain competetive with the D40. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
Adam Maas wrote: John Francis wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 04:47:19PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... I suspect it's more likely to be a mis-translation, and Pentax will be showcasing the K10D - that is, after all, a 'new' DSLR - and will pre-announce a K1D (far more likely if the 654D is to be delayed). But we'll know for certain in a few meeks (PMA is March 8th-11th). Actually, I wouldn't be shocked for a replacement K100D and K110D to be announced as well. Probably changes will be SSM compatibility and (hopefully) bigger buffers to remain competetive with the D40. Hey, I'd forgotten that the K100 and K100 weren't compatible with the SSM lenses. That's a very logical upgrade and probably not too difficult a feature to add. Good call, Adam. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
Adam Maas wrote Actually, I wouldn't be shocked for a replacement K100D and K110D to be announced as well. Probably changes will be SSM compatibility and (hopefully) bigger buffers to remain competetive with the D40. I'd love to see sort of an E-400 made by Pentax to that purpose. I mean regarding size and design, not tech specs. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
Yes. SSM compatibility for the 100 and 110 makes a lot of sense. It complements the DA* lens intro. You can bet that there won't be an incompatible small-format DSLR introduced for many a moon -- if ever. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adam Maas wrote: John Francis wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 04:47:19PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... I suspect it's more likely to be a mis-translation, and Pentax will be showcasing the K10D - that is, after all, a 'new' DSLR - and will pre-announce a K1D (far more likely if the 654D is to be delayed). But we'll know for certain in a few meeks (PMA is March 8th-11th). Actually, I wouldn't be shocked for a replacement K100D and K110D to be announced as well. Probably changes will be SSM compatibility and (hopefully) bigger buffers to remain competetive with the D40. Hey, I'd forgotten that the K100 and K100 weren't compatible with the SSM lenses. That's a very logical upgrade and probably not too difficult a feature to add. Good call, Adam. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
To release a camera that doesn't keep up in the megapixil wars or one that does with bad high ISO performance would be marketing suicide. Take your choice. I expect that they'll release promise and release the lenses they need to fill in the line and you'll be happy. Paul Stenquist wrote: They've never promised DFA lenses in short focal lengths, only in the 300 to 600 range. I just don't see them introducing a camera that can't use the new DA* lenses at the same time the DA* lenses go on sale. That would be marketing suicide. Paul On Feb 2, 2007, at 12:05 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: A 1.3x crop would be covered by most of the existing DA lenses. I could see them with a warning just like the flash warning built into the ZX-5n when you used a lens, (or just using a focal length on a zoom), that would cause the Flash to Vignette. Sure it's a stopgap but they also have a promise of the D FA lenses waiting in the wings. Paul Stenquist wrote: It would obviously have to be an image circle that worked with the current DA lenses. The FAs are almost all out of production and new DAs are being introduced all the time. They won't introduce a camera that has no lens support. Paul On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:49 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. I've been expecting something like this for some time. If they intend it to be anything other than marketing hype that is. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. If the rumours of the next canon being 22MP are accurate (or even close), that would explain the delay. Infinite delay might be the best course of action unless they can go straight to 30MP. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... There have long been rumours of Pentax working on their own CMOS sensor. Given the continuing megapixel wars (Canon going over 17MP and Nikon going to 15-16 MP), I'm guessing it'll be around 15MP. This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
I'm not sure that there is a megapixel war. Most advanced amateurs seem quite happy with 10 megapixels. Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To release a camera that doesn't keep up in the megapixil wars or one that does with bad high ISO performance would be marketing suicide. Take your choice. I expect that they'll release promise and release the lenses they need to fill in the line and you'll be happy. Paul Stenquist wrote: They've never promised DFA lenses in short focal lengths, only in the 300 to 600 range. I just don't see them introducing a camera that can't use the new DA* lenses at the same time the DA* lenses go on sale. That would be marketing suicide. Paul On Feb 2, 2007, at 12:05 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: A 1.3x crop would be covered by most of the existing DA lenses. I could see them with a warning just like the flash warning built into the ZX-5n when you used a lens, (or just using a focal length on a zoom), that would cause the Flash to Vignette. Sure it's a stopgap but they also have a promise of the D FA lenses waiting in the wings. Paul Stenquist wrote: It would obviously have to be an image circle that worked with the current DA lenses. The FAs are almost all out of production and new DAs are being introduced all the time. They won't introduce a camera that has no lens support. Paul On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:49 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. I've been expecting something like this for some time. If they intend it to be anything other than marketing hype that is. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. If the rumours of the next canon being 22MP are accurate (or even close), that would explain the delay. Infinite delay might be the best course of action unless they can go straight to 30MP. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... There have long been rumours of Pentax working on their own CMOS sensor. Given the continuing megapixel wars (Canon going over 17MP and Nikon going to 15-16 MP), I'm guessing it'll be around 15MP. This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
Two years ago they were happy with six to eight. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure that there is a megapixel war. Most advanced amateurs seem quite happy with 10 megapixels. Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To release a camera that doesn't keep up in the megapixil wars or one that does with bad high ISO performance would be marketing suicide. Take your choice. I expect that they'll release promise and release the lenses they need to fill in the line and you'll be happy. Paul Stenquist wrote: They've never promised DFA lenses in short focal lengths, only in the 300 to 600 range. I just don't see them introducing a camera that can't use the new DA* lenses at the same time the DA* lenses go on sale. That would be marketing suicide. Paul On Feb 2, 2007, at 12:05 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: A 1.3x crop would be covered by most of the existing DA lenses. I could see them with a warning just like the flash warning built into the ZX-5n when you used a lens, (or just using a focal length on a zoom), that would cause the Flash to Vignette. Sure it's a stopgap but they also have a promise of the D FA lenses waiting in the wings. Paul Stenquist wrote: It would obviously have to be an image circle that worked with the current DA lenses. The FAs are almost all out of production and new DAs are being introduced all the time. They won't introduce a camera that has no lens support. Paul On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:49 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. I've been expecting something like this for some time. If they intend it to be anything other than marketing hype that is. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. If the rumours of the next canon being 22MP are accurate (or even close), that would explain the delay. Infinite delay might be the best course of action unless they can go straight to 30MP. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... There have long been rumours of Pentax working on their own CMOS sensor. Given the continuing megapixel wars (Canon going over 17MP and Nikon going to 15-16 MP), I'm guessing it'll be around 15MP. This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
And many still are. -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Two years ago they were happy with six to eight. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure that there is a megapixel war. Most advanced amateurs seem quite happy with 10 megapixels. Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To release a camera that doesn't keep up in the megapixil wars or one that does with bad high ISO performance would be marketing suicide. Take your choice. I expect that they'll release promise and release the lenses they need to fill in the line and you'll be happy. Paul Stenquist wrote: They've never promised DFA lenses in short focal lengths, only in the 300 to 600 range. I just don't see them introducing a camera that can't use the new DA* lenses at the same time the DA* lenses go on sale. That would be marketing suicide. Paul On Feb 2, 2007, at 12:05 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: A 1.3x crop would be covered by most of the existing DA lenses. I could see them with a warning just like the flash warning built into the ZX-5n when you used a lens, (or just using a focal length on a zoom), that would cause the Flash to Vignette. Sure it's a stopgap but they also have a promise of the D FA lenses waiting in the wings. Paul Stenquist wrote: It would obviously have to be an image circle that worked with the current DA lenses. The FAs are almost all out of production and new DAs are being introduced all the time. They won't introduce a camera that has no lens support. Paul On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:49 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. I've been expecting something like this for some time. If they intend it to be anything other than marketing hype that is. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. If the rumours of the next canon being 22MP are accurate (or even close), that would explain the delay. Infinite delay might be the best course of action unless they can go straight to 30MP. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... There have long been rumours of Pentax working on their own CMOS sensor. Given the continuing megapixel wars (Canon going over 17MP and Nikon going to 15-16 MP), I'm guessing it'll be around 15MP. This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
It's obvious that whether one calls it a megapixel war or not, that manufacturers will continue to produce cameras with greater and greater megapixel resolution, within the limits of noise handling and physics, as cost comes down. To not to so is to relegate oneself to a has-been in the camera business. To deny that, is to ignore the obvious. Most advanced amateurs seem happy with 10MP, because the cost of those cameras is all that most advance amateurs can afford at the present time, and that's what's being released in their price range. You were happy with your *ist D, but when the K10D came out, you bought it. Have you asked most advanced amateurs? :-) Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D... Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:40:47 + And many still are. -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Two years ago they were happy with six to eight. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure that there is a megapixel war. Most advanced amateurs seem quite happy with 10 megapixels. Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To release a camera that doesn't keep up in the megapixil wars or one that does with bad high ISO performance would be marketing suicide. Take your choice. I expect that they'll release promise and release the lenses they need to fill in the line and you'll be happy. Paul Stenquist wrote: They've never promised DFA lenses in short focal lengths, only in the 300 to 600 range. I just don't see them introducing a camera that can't use the new DA* lenses at the same time the DA* lenses go on sale. That would be marketing suicide. Paul On Feb 2, 2007, at 12:05 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: A 1.3x crop would be covered by most of the existing DA lenses. I could see them with a warning just like the flash warning built into the ZX-5n when you used a lens, (or just using a focal length on a zoom), that would cause the Flash to Vignette. Sure it's a stopgap but they also have a promise of the D FA lenses waiting in the wings. Paul Stenquist wrote: It would obviously have to be an image circle that worked with the current DA lenses. The FAs are almost all out of production and new DAs are being introduced all the time. They won't introduce a camera that has no lens support. Paul On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:49 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. I've been expecting something like this for some time. If they intend it to be anything other than marketing hype that is. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. If the rumours of the next canon being 22MP are accurate (or even close), that would explain the delay. Infinite delay might be the best course of action unless they can go straight to 30MP. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... There have long been rumours of Pentax working on their own CMOS sensor. Given the continuing megapixel wars (Canon going over 17MP and Nikon going to 15-16 MP), I'm guessing it'll be around 15MP. This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
To go to a larger sensor would cause a huge price increase. That's why we're happy here :-). Canon still sells the 8 megapixel 30D for more than their 10 megapixel consumer model, and they sell a lot of them. Anyway, looking at the lens roadmap for 2007 and beyond, it's obvious that only DA is in the near future. Paul -- Original message -- From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's obvious that whether one calls it a megapixel war or not, that manufacturers will continue to produce cameras with greater and greater megapixel resolution, within the limits of noise handling and physics, as cost comes down. To not to so is to relegate oneself to a has-been in the camera business. To deny that, is to ignore the obvious. Most advanced amateurs seem happy with 10MP, because the cost of those cameras is all that most advance amateurs can afford at the present time, and that's what's being released in their price range. You were happy with your *ist D, but when the K10D came out, you bought it. Have you asked most advanced amateurs? :-) Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D... Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:40:47 + And many still are. -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Two years ago they were happy with six to eight. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure that there is a megapixel war. Most advanced amateurs seem quite happy with 10 megapixels. Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To release a camera that doesn't keep up in the megapixil wars or one that does with bad high ISO performance would be marketing suicide. Take your choice. I expect that they'll release promise and release the lenses they need to fill in the line and you'll be happy. Paul Stenquist wrote: They've never promised DFA lenses in short focal lengths, only in the 300 to 600 range. I just don't see them introducing a camera that can't use the new DA* lenses at the same time the DA* lenses go on sale. That would be marketing suicide. Paul On Feb 2, 2007, at 12:05 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: A 1.3x crop would be covered by most of the existing DA lenses. I could see them with a warning just like the flash warning built into the ZX-5n when you used a lens, (or just using a focal length on a zoom), that would cause the Flash to Vignette. Sure it's a stopgap but they also have a promise of the D FA lenses waiting in the wings. Paul Stenquist wrote: It would obviously have to be an image circle that worked with the current DA lenses. The FAs are almost all out of production and new DAs are being introduced all the time. They won't introduce a camera that has no lens support. Paul On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:49 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. I've been expecting something like this for some time. If they intend it to be anything other than marketing hype that is. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. If the rumours of the next canon being 22MP are accurate (or even close), that would explain the delay. Infinite delay might be the best course of action unless they can go straight to 30MP. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... There have long been rumours of Pentax working on their own CMOS sensor. Given the continuing megapixel wars (Canon going over 17MP and Nikon going to 15-16 MP), I'm guessing it'll be around 15MP. This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
I'd be happy with three if someone would offer a decent rig with a monochrome sensor. By decent, I mean SLR-like shutter lag times, a prime lens or a narrow zoom, and intuitive manual controls. Basically something that the marketroids would never-ever dream of producing. On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And many still are. -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Two years ago they were happy with six to eight. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure that there is a megapixel war. Most advanced amateurs seem quite happy with 10 megapixels. Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To release a camera that doesn't keep up in the megapixil wars or one that does with bad high ISO performance would be marketing suicide. Take your choice. I expect that they'll release promise and release the lenses they need to fill in the line and you'll be happy. Paul Stenquist wrote: They've never promised DFA lenses in short focal lengths, only in the 300 to 600 range. I just don't see them introducing a camera that can't use the new DA* lenses at the same time the DA* lenses go on sale. That would be marketing suicide. Paul On Feb 2, 2007, at 12:05 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: A 1.3x crop would be covered by most of the existing DA lenses. I could see them with a warning just like the flash warning built into the ZX-5n when you used a lens, (or just using a focal length on a zoom), that would cause the Flash to Vignette. Sure it's a stopgap but they also have a promise of the D FA lenses waiting in the wings. Paul Stenquist wrote: It would obviously have to be an image circle that worked with the current DA lenses. The FAs are almost all out of production and new DAs are being introduced all the time. They won't introduce a camera that has no lens support. Paul On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:49 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. I've been expecting something like this for some time. If they intend it to be anything other than marketing hype that is. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. If the rumours of the next canon being 22MP are accurate (or even close), that would explain the delay. Infinite delay might be the best course of action unless they can go straight to 30MP. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... There have long been rumours of Pentax working on their own CMOS sensor. Given the continuing megapixel wars (Canon going over 17MP and Nikon going to 15-16 MP), I'm guessing it'll be around 15MP. This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
We're talking future, as in months/years, not tomorrow. You just bought a 10MP camera for less than a 6MP. On the 30D... It'll be replaced with a higher MP model. Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D... Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:58:19 + To go to a larger sensor would cause a huge price increase. That's why we're happy here :-). Canon still sells the 8 megapixel 30D for more than their 10 megapixel consumer model, and they sell a lot of them. Anyway, looking at the lens roadmap for 2007 and beyond, it's obvious that only DA is in the near future. Paul -- Original message -- From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's obvious that whether one calls it a megapixel war or not, that manufacturers will continue to produce cameras with greater and greater megapixel resolution, within the limits of noise handling and physics, as cost comes down. To not to so is to relegate oneself to a has-been in the camera business. To deny that, is to ignore the obvious. Most advanced amateurs seem happy with 10MP, because the cost of those cameras is all that most advance amateurs can afford at the present time, and that's what's being released in their price range. You were happy with your *ist D, but when the K10D came out, you bought it. Have you asked most advanced amateurs? :-) Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D... Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:40:47 + And many still are. -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Two years ago they were happy with six to eight. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure that there is a megapixel war. Most advanced amateurs seem quite happy with 10 megapixels. Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To release a camera that doesn't keep up in the megapixil wars or one that does with bad high ISO performance would be marketing suicide. Take your choice. I expect that they'll release promise and release the lenses they need to fill in the line and you'll be happy. Paul Stenquist wrote: They've never promised DFA lenses in short focal lengths, only in the 300 to 600 range. I just don't see them introducing a camera that can't use the new DA* lenses at the same time the DA* lenses go on sale. That would be marketing suicide. Paul On Feb 2, 2007, at 12:05 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: A 1.3x crop would be covered by most of the existing DA lenses. I could see them with a warning just like the flash warning built into the ZX-5n when you used a lens, (or just using a focal length on a zoom), that would cause the Flash to Vignette. Sure it's a stopgap but they also have a promise of the D FA lenses waiting in the wings. Paul Stenquist wrote: It would obviously have to be an image circle that worked with the current DA lenses. The FAs are almost all out of production and new DAs are being introduced all the time. They won't introduce a camera that has no lens support. Paul On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:49 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. I've been expecting something like this for some time. If they intend it to be anything other than marketing hype that is. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. If the rumours of the next canon being 22MP are accurate (or even close), that would explain the delay. Infinite delay might be the best course of action unless they can go straight to 30MP. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... There have long been rumours of Pentax working on their own CMOS sensor. Given the continuing megapixel wars (Canon going over 17MP
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
Actually, I wouldn't be shocked for a replacement K100D and K110D to be announced as well. Probably changes will be SSM compatibility and (hopefully) bigger buffers to remain competetive with the D40. Hey, I'd forgotten that the K100 and K100 weren't compatible with the SSM lenses. That's a very logical upgrade and probably not too difficult a feature to add. Good call, Adam. - The K100D and K110D already have a socket to power SSM lenses, but in these models it is blank--no power. But the socket is already there, and would only need wiring and the other electronics and programming. And those have already been developed for the K10D. I suspect that many of the K10D's features will migrate down into lower-priced models as time goes by. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
I expect that's no longer quite true. If it is, then there won't be any SLR manufactures in the relatively near future. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And many still are. -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Two years ago they were happy with six to eight. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure that there is a megapixel war. Most advanced amateurs seem quite happy with 10 megapixels. Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To release a camera that doesn't keep up in the megapixil wars or one that does with bad high ISO performance would be marketing suicide. Take your choice. I expect that they'll release promise and release the lenses they need to fill in the line and you'll be happy. Paul Stenquist wrote: They've never promised DFA lenses in short focal lengths, only in the 300 to 600 range. I just don't see them introducing a camera that can't use the new DA* lenses at the same time the DA* lenses go on sale. That would be marketing suicide. Paul On Feb 2, 2007, at 12:05 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: A 1.3x crop would be covered by most of the existing DA lenses. I could see them with a warning just like the flash warning built into the ZX-5n when you used a lens, (or just using a focal length on a zoom), that would cause the Flash to Vignette. Sure it's a stopgap but they also have a promise of the D FA lenses waiting in the wings. Paul Stenquist wrote: It would obviously have to be an image circle that worked with the current DA lenses. The FAs are almost all out of production and new DAs are being introduced all the time. They won't introduce a camera that has no lens support. Paul On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:49 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. I've been expecting something like this for some time. If they intend it to be anything other than marketing hype that is. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. If the rumours of the next canon being 22MP are accurate (or even close), that would explain the delay. Infinite delay might be the best course of action unless they can go straight to 30MP. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... There have long been rumours of Pentax working on their own CMOS sensor. Given the continuing megapixel wars (Canon going over 17MP and Nikon going to 15-16 MP), I'm guessing it'll be around 15MP. This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
In case you were waiting for the 645D...
Plus a little other information: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=21896693 Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
Plus a little other information: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=21896693 Personally, I'm not too upset that the 645D is on hold for a little while. Regular dSLRs are much more profitable, and Pentax seems to be on a roll right now. Plus, if what they say about the dSLR market stabilizing in a couple years is true, they could hold off with the 645D and release it when people might actually consider it or need it. Plus plus, sensor quality may go up and/or prices may come down in that time, making the 645D a better competitor. Of course, this is all just speculation and should be taken with a giant chunk of salt. Still, if I have the money when it does come out, I might consider buying it. It'd be cheaper than shooting with my 6x7. John (lunch break's over) :( -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
I don't think they have a choice, The DSLR market staibilizing is more or less shorthand for market saturated and low demand. If the market is going to be relatively small for $1K and lower small form-factor DSLR's, how much smaller will it be for medium format DSLR's and how many people will be in the market for a camera that's likely $5k or more? It doesn't make sense to produce something that will not generate a net profit. Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D... Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:30:15 -0800 Plus a little other information: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=21896693 Personally, I'm not too upset that the 645D is on hold for a little while. Regular dSLRs are much more profitable, and Pentax seems to be on a roll right now. Plus, if what they say about the dSLR market stabilizing in a couple years is true, they could hold off with the 645D and release it when people might actually consider it or need it. Plus plus, sensor quality may go up and/or prices may come down in that time, making the 645D a better competitor. Of course, this is all just speculation and should be taken with a giant chunk of salt. Still, if I have the money when it does come out, I might consider buying it. It'd be cheaper than shooting with my 6x7. John (lunch break's over) :( -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. jtainter wrote: Plus a little other information: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=21896693 Joe -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
mmm but a 645D is a DSLR isn't it? Quite confusing IMO. 2007/2/1, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. jtainter wrote: Plus a little other information: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=21896693 Joe -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
I see no confusion here. Pentax sees DSLRs as K mount cameras and the 645D as something else. Thibouille wrote: mmm but a 645D is a DSLR isn't it? Quite confusing IMO. 2007/2/1, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. jtainter wrote: Plus a little other information: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=21896693 Joe -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
P. J. Alling wrote: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. If the rumours of the next canon being 22MP are accurate (or even close), that would explain the delay. Infinite delay might be the best course of action unless they can go straight to 30MP. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... There have long been rumours of Pentax working on their own CMOS sensor. Given the continuing megapixel wars (Canon going over 17MP and Nikon going to 15-16 MP), I'm guessing it'll be around 15MP. This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. I've been expecting something like this for some time. If they intend it to be anything other than marketing hype that is. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. If the rumours of the next canon being 22MP are accurate (or even close), that would explain the delay. Infinite delay might be the best course of action unless they can go straight to 30MP. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... There have long been rumours of Pentax working on their own CMOS sensor. Given the continuing megapixel wars (Canon going over 17MP and Nikon going to 15-16 MP), I'm guessing it'll be around 15MP. This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
It would obviously have to be an image circle that worked with the current DA lenses. The FAs are almost all out of production and new DAs are being introduced all the time. They won't introduce a camera that has no lens support. Paul On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:49 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. I've been expecting something like this for some time. If they intend it to be anything other than marketing hype that is. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. If the rumours of the next canon being 22MP are accurate (or even close), that would explain the delay. Infinite delay might be the best course of action unless they can go straight to 30MP. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... There have long been rumours of Pentax working on their own CMOS sensor. Given the continuing megapixel wars (Canon going over 17MP and Nikon going to 15-16 MP), I'm guessing it'll be around 15MP. This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
A 1.3x crop would be covered by most of the existing DA lenses. I could see them with a warning just like the flash warning built into the ZX-5n when you used a lens, (or just using a focal length on a zoom), that would cause the Flash to Vignette. Sure it's a stopgap but they also have a promise of the D FA lenses waiting in the wings. Paul Stenquist wrote: It would obviously have to be an image circle that worked with the current DA lenses. The FAs are almost all out of production and new DAs are being introduced all the time. They won't introduce a camera that has no lens support. Paul On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:49 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. I've been expecting something like this for some time. If they intend it to be anything other than marketing hype that is. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. If the rumours of the next canon being 22MP are accurate (or even close), that would explain the delay. Infinite delay might be the best course of action unless they can go straight to 30MP. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... There have long been rumours of Pentax working on their own CMOS sensor. Given the continuing megapixel wars (Canon going over 17MP and Nikon going to 15-16 MP), I'm guessing it'll be around 15MP. This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
Are we going to go through all this crap yet again? This must be the 57th time in two years. G On Feb 1, 2007, at 9:05 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: A 1.3x crop would be covered by most of the existing DA lenses. I could see them with a warning just like the flash warning built into the ZX-5n when you used a lens, (or just using a focal length on a zoom), that would cause the Flash to Vignette. Sure it's a stopgap but they also have a promise of the D FA lenses waiting in the wings. Paul Stenquist wrote: It would obviously have to be an image circle that worked with the current DA lenses. The FAs are almost all out of production and new DAs are being introduced all the time. They won't introduce a camera that has no lens support. Paul On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:49 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. I've been expecting something like this for some time. If they intend it to be anything other than marketing hype that is. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. If the rumours of the next canon being 22MP are accurate (or even close), that would explain the delay. Infinite delay might be the best course of action unless they can go straight to 30MP. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... There have long been rumours of Pentax working on their own CMOS sensor. Given the continuing megapixel wars (Canon going over 17MP and Nikon going to 15-16 MP), I'm guessing it'll be around 15MP. This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
Yep. And we'll keep going over it until it happens. Dave At 02:14 PM 2/02/2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Are we going to go through all this crap yet again? This must be the 57th time in two years. G On Feb 1, 2007, at 9:05 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: A 1.3x crop would be covered by most of the existing DA lenses. I could see them with a warning just like the flash warning built into the ZX-5n when you used a lens, (or just using a focal length on a zoom), that would cause the Flash to Vignette. Sure it's a stopgap but they also have a promise of the D FA lenses waiting in the wings. Paul Stenquist wrote: It would obviously have to be an image circle that worked with the current DA lenses. The FAs are almost all out of production and new DAs are being introduced all the time. They won't introduce a camera that has no lens support. Paul On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:49 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. I've been expecting something like this for some time. If they intend it to be anything other than marketing hype that is. Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: From DP Review post * The release of the 645D is postponed in order to priorities on DSLRs The wait begins to look infinite. If the rumours of the next canon being 22MP are accurate (or even close), that would explain the delay. Infinite delay might be the best course of action unless they can go straight to 30MP. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... There have long been rumours of Pentax working on their own CMOS sensor. Given the continuing megapixel wars (Canon going over 17MP and Nikon going to 15-16 MP), I'm guessing it'll be around 15MP. This will almost certainly necissitate a lower crop factor. More likely ~1.3x than full-frame, though. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
Well, for me, I am not waiting on the 645D and have doubts about it's viability in the market. If they were choosing to delay it in favor of more work on DSLR's more like what has recently been done, then I think that is a good direction. It will be interesting to hear something from PMA. Thanks for the info. -- Bruce Thursday, February 1, 2007, 10:53:00 AM, you wrote: j Plus a little other information: j http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=21896693 j Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 04:47:19PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... I suspect it's more likely to be a mis-translation, and Pentax will be showcasing the K10D - that is, after all, a 'new' DSLR - and will pre-announce a K1D (far more likely if the 654D is to be delayed). But we'll know for certain in a few meeks (PMA is March 8th-11th). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: In case you were waiting for the 645D...
So for Pentax DSLRs means DSLR with sensor smaller then one in 645D or something like that? AFAIK a 645D is technicaly, a DSLR no? Mmm maybe they will announce a K1000D? Would make sense ... I really think they will go K1000D before K1D but I'd also love to be surprised ... 2007/2/2, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 04:47:19PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036message=21896693 To present new DSLR's at PMA seems very optimistic. How about announce new DSLR's? I expect the K1D (or whatever it ends up being called) to be announced some time this year, but presented, even under glass? I'd be very surprised. I'd love to be wrong, though... I suspect it's more likely to be a mis-translation, and Pentax will be showcasing the K10D - that is, after all, a 'new' DSLR - and will pre-announce a K1D (far more likely if the 654D is to be delayed). But we'll know for certain in a few meeks (PMA is March 8th-11th). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
