Re: K-1 grumbles

[Rob Studdert]

The buffer issue is partly why I bought a D750 instead of a K1,
there's plenty to love about the K1 but AF and buffer depth aren't on
the list.

The D750 has a buffer depth count-back that lest you know as you're
shooting how many shots you have left in the buffer, not that it's
really a problem as it clears so fast. But the point is the Nikon
recognises the buffer clearing to be an important aspect of camera
performance so much so that they built an indicator so you always know
here you are rather than being literally left in the dark.

The D750 isn't as capable of achieving AF lock in really low light but
it's so good in other ways that I'll forgive it.





On 13 October 2017 at 09:41, Zos Xavius  wrote:
> I believe the D810 has a larger buffer. Does it not? The buffer on the
> k-1 is pretty anemic.
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 1:53 AM, P. J. Alling
>  wrote:
>> I've been looking into that and it seems that all Pentax cameras that have
>> been tested recently have about a 36 mb/s write speed regardless of how fast
>> the card is, though they can't write faster than the card will accept the
>> data.
>>
>> I got curious since I don't shoot Nikon, so I haven't been looking for write
>> speed tests on any Nikon cameras.  Well I couldn't find a Nikon 810 tests,
>> but the D800 tops out at about 39 mb/s, on the one I could find.   Doesn't
>> seem to blisteringly faster than the K-1.
>>
>> Using the actual numbers not my rounded numbers the Nikon seems to be about
>> ~7% faster than the Pentax.
>>
>> Now Nikon might have upped the buss speed when moving from the D800 to the
>> D810, but it doesn't seem that likely.
>>
>>
>> On 10/10/2017 5:10 PM, Mark C wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW - I just ran some tests with my K1 shooting DNGS and it takes 27 to
>>> 28 seconds to clear the buffer. It probably feels like 5 minutes when things
>>> are happening, though. I'm using 64 gig Sandisk Extreme Pro UHS-I cards,
>>> rated for 90 mb/sec write speeds. The are much faster cards out there though
>>> I don't know if the K1 can take advantage of higher speed cards (or even if
>>> it takes advantage of this card.) If you really are experiencing several
>>> minutes of write time it may be the card.
>>>
>>> Overall I agree with your comments. File saves are on the slow side and
>>> the AF point configuration leaves a lot to be desired. AF in liveview mode
>>> is very slow - verging on unusable when shooting macros. There's room for
>>> improvement to be sure, but still a fine camera.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> Larry Colen wrote:

 In many many ways the K-1 is an amazing camera. If all I did was
 portraits, landscapes and still lifes it would be damn near unbeatable,
 especially for the price.

 However, for action photography, it can really suck donkey balls. The
 focusing is a huge improvement over the K-3ii, but the focus points don't
 cover nearly enough of the screen, especially if you want to place critical
 compositional elements at the "third points". Despite the improvements over
 the K-3, focus speed is still way too slow, especially compared to when 
 I've
 shot a friend's Nikon 810.

 My biggest gripe is the bus speed.  Did they really think that people
 would buy a full frame camera and always shoot JPEGs? I was photographing
 dance competitions this weekend. Things happen fast, unpredictably, and
 often in rapid succession, particularly when there is more than one couple
 dancing at a time. After about a minute or two the buffer will fill up, and
 then take something like five minutes to empty.  Once it fills up, it takes
 something like 30 seconds before it's ready to shoot again, and I have no
 idea of whether there's room in the buffer or not. I just have to press the
 shutter and wonder whether it's not locking focus, or just still emptying
 the buffer.

 Gah! Every time I try to shoot action, I'm tempted to switch to Nikon.
 Unfortunately, there's about 15,000 reasons why I can't.
>>>
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Re: K-1 grumbles

[Zos Xavius]

I believe the D810 has a larger buffer. Does it not? The buffer on the
k-1 is pretty anemic.

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 1:53 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> I've been looking into that and it seems that all Pentax cameras that have
> been tested recently have about a 36 mb/s write speed regardless of how fast
> the card is, though they can't write faster than the card will accept the
> data.
>
> I got curious since I don't shoot Nikon, so I haven't been looking for write
> speed tests on any Nikon cameras.  Well I couldn't find a Nikon 810 tests,
> but the D800 tops out at about 39 mb/s, on the one I could find.   Doesn't
> seem to blisteringly faster than the K-1.
>
> Using the actual numbers not my rounded numbers the Nikon seems to be about
> ~7% faster than the Pentax.
>
> Now Nikon might have upped the buss speed when moving from the D800 to the
> D810, but it doesn't seem that likely.
>
>
> On 10/10/2017 5:10 PM, Mark C wrote:
>>
>> FWIW - I just ran some tests with my K1 shooting DNGS and it takes 27 to
>> 28 seconds to clear the buffer. It probably feels like 5 minutes when things
>> are happening, though. I'm using 64 gig Sandisk Extreme Pro UHS-I cards,
>> rated for 90 mb/sec write speeds. The are much faster cards out there though
>> I don't know if the K1 can take advantage of higher speed cards (or even if
>> it takes advantage of this card.) If you really are experiencing several
>> minutes of write time it may be the card.
>>
>> Overall I agree with your comments. File saves are on the slow side and
>> the AF point configuration leaves a lot to be desired. AF in liveview mode
>> is very slow - verging on unusable when shooting macros. There's room for
>> improvement to be sure, but still a fine camera.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Larry Colen wrote:
>>>
>>> In many many ways the K-1 is an amazing camera. If all I did was
>>> portraits, landscapes and still lifes it would be damn near unbeatable,
>>> especially for the price.
>>>
>>> However, for action photography, it can really suck donkey balls. The
>>> focusing is a huge improvement over the K-3ii, but the focus points don't
>>> cover nearly enough of the screen, especially if you want to place critical
>>> compositional elements at the "third points". Despite the improvements over
>>> the K-3, focus speed is still way too slow, especially compared to when I've
>>> shot a friend's Nikon 810.
>>>
>>> My biggest gripe is the bus speed.  Did they really think that people
>>> would buy a full frame camera and always shoot JPEGs? I was photographing
>>> dance competitions this weekend. Things happen fast, unpredictably, and
>>> often in rapid succession, particularly when there is more than one couple
>>> dancing at a time. After about a minute or two the buffer will fill up, and
>>> then take something like five minutes to empty.  Once it fills up, it takes
>>> something like 30 seconds before it's ready to shoot again, and I have no
>>> idea of whether there's room in the buffer or not. I just have to press the
>>> shutter and wonder whether it's not locking focus, or just still emptying
>>> the buffer.
>>>
>>> Gah! Every time I try to shoot action, I'm tempted to switch to Nikon.
>>> Unfortunately, there's about 15,000 reasons why I can't.
>>
>>
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Re: K-1 grumbles

[P. J. Alling]

I've been looking into that and it seems that all Pentax cameras that 
have been tested recently have about a 36 mb/s write speed regardless of 
how fast the card is, though they can't write faster than the card will 
accept the data.


I got curious since I don't shoot Nikon, so I haven't been looking for 
write speed tests on any Nikon cameras.  Well I couldn't find a Nikon 
810 tests, but the D800 tops out at about 39 mb/s, on the one I could 
find.   Doesn't seem to blisteringly faster than the K-1.


Using the actual numbers not my rounded numbers the Nikon seems to be 
about ~7% faster than the Pentax.


Now Nikon might have upped the buss speed when moving from the D800 to 
the D810, but it doesn't seem that likely.



On 10/10/2017 5:10 PM, Mark C wrote:
FWIW - I just ran some tests with my K1 shooting DNGS and it takes 27 
to 28 seconds to clear the buffer. It probably feels like 5 minutes 
when things are happening, though. I'm using 64 gig Sandisk Extreme 
Pro UHS-I cards, rated for 90 mb/sec write speeds. The are much faster 
cards out there though I don't know if the K1 can take advantage of 
higher speed cards (or even if it takes advantage of this card.) If 
you really are experiencing several minutes of write time it may be 
the card.


Overall I agree with your comments. File saves are on the slow side 
and the AF point configuration leaves a lot to be desired. AF in 
liveview mode is very slow - verging on unusable when shooting macros. 
There's room for improvement to be sure, but still a fine camera.


Mark

Larry Colen wrote:
In many many ways the K-1 is an amazing camera. If all I did was 
portraits, landscapes and still lifes it would be damn near 
unbeatable, especially for the price.


However, for action photography, it can really suck donkey balls. The 
focusing is a huge improvement over the K-3ii, but the focus points 
don't cover nearly enough of the screen, especially if you want to 
place critical compositional elements at the "third points". Despite 
the improvements over the K-3, focus speed is still way too slow, 
especially compared to when I've shot a friend's Nikon 810.


My biggest gripe is the bus speed.  Did they really think that people 
would buy a full frame camera and always shoot JPEGs? I was 
photographing dance competitions this weekend. Things happen fast, 
unpredictably, and often in rapid succession, particularly when there 
is more than one couple dancing at a time. After about a minute or 
two the buffer will fill up, and then take something like five 
minutes to empty.  Once it fills up, it takes something like 30 
seconds before it's ready to shoot again, and I have no idea of 
whether there's room in the buffer or not. I just have to press the 
shutter and wonder whether it's not locking focus, or just still 
emptying the buffer.


Gah! Every time I try to shoot action, I'm tempted to switch to 
Nikon. Unfortunately, there's about 15,000 reasons why I can't.



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Re: K-1 grumbles

[P. J. Alling]

The bus write speed on pretty much all recent Pentax cameras tops out at 
about ~36 mb/s, maybe a little faster,  but closer to rounding down than 
to rounding up.


The claimed card speed of 85-90 mb/s is usually the read speed of the 
card.  Write speed is often less than half that, sometimes a lot less.


With a class 10 card you're only guaranteed 10 mb/s.  Most Sandisk cards 
are faster that that, but not all are.


I'd check to see what the claimed write speeds of the cards are, and not 
use any that were slower than the camera buss.


I wouldn't buy anything that had a write speed much faster than the 
camera buss either unless the price was pretty  much the same as for the 
slower card.


On the other hand if all your cards turn out to have write speeds faster 
than the cameras buss speed, I really have no other suggestions.   I 
keep all the lens correction and other in camera file manipulations 
turned off when shooting raw anyway, but maybe doing some of that will 
help.


Auto focus speed is another issue altogether.

On 10/10/2017 4:47 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Are you quite certain you are using a fast enough SD card, and is
there any possibility that you might have enabled any processing
feature(s) that could be slowing things up?

Even with the much larger 645Z files I have _never_ encountered
anything like what you describe. If I had, I would have switched
systems by now. Five freaking minutes to empty the buffer?
Infuckingtolerable.

Try a factory reset and a known fast card.


On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

In many many ways the K-1 is an amazing camera. If all I did was portraits,
landscapes and still lifes it would be damn near unbeatable, especially for
the price.

However, for action photography, it can really suck donkey balls. The
focusing is a huge improvement over the K-3ii, but the focus points don't
cover nearly enough of the screen, especially if you want to place critical
compositional elements at the "third points". Despite the improvements over
the K-3, focus speed is still way too slow, especially compared to when I've
shot a friend's Nikon 810.

My biggest gripe is the bus speed.  Did they really think that people would
buy a full frame camera and always shoot JPEGs? I was photographing dance
competitions this weekend. Things happen fast, unpredictably, and often in
rapid succession, particularly when there is more than one couple dancing at
a time. After about a minute or two the buffer will fill up, and then take
something like five minutes to empty.  Once it fills up, it takes something
like 30 seconds before it's ready to shoot again, and I have no idea of
whether there's room in the buffer or not. I just have to press the shutter
and wonder whether it's not locking focus, or just still emptying the
buffer.

Gah! Every time I try to shoot action, I'm tempted to switch to Nikon.
Unfortunately, there's about 15,000 reasons why I can't.
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Re: K-1 grumbles

[Jack Davis]

Well, OK the K3ii has a thing for mikes. I'd try using a single point
sensor or, at least, one with fewer sensor points.
J
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> On Oct 10, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Jack Davis wrote:
>> Hi, Larry. In what way is the K1
>> focusing better or faster than the
>> K3ii?  Thanks!
> 
> The biggest way for me is that it doesn't obsesses over microphones the way 
> the K-3 does. For example only a few of my musician photos from last weekend 
> have the microphone rather than the singer in focus. I don't have any 
> quantitative data other than that, but my gut feeling is that it does seem to 
> be a bit faster, a bit more accurate, and most importantly a bit more precise 
> in following the selected focus point.
> 
> When I'm using the long lenses, particularly outdoors, I still use the K-3ii 
> because I'll crop anyways, it gives more dpi on the sensor, and in good light 
> the sensor quality differences are barely noticable.
> 
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> In many many ways the K-1 is an amazing camera. If all I did was portraits, 
>>> landscapes and still lifes it would be damn near unbeatable, especially for 
>>> the price.
>>> 
>>> However, for action photography, it can really suck donkey balls. The 
>>> focusing is a huge improvement over the K-3ii, but the focus points don't 
>>> cover nearly enough of the screen, especially if you want to place critical 
>>> compositional elements at the "third points". Despite the improvements over 
>>> the K-3, focus speed is still way too slow, especially compared to when 
>>> I've shot a friend's Nikon 810.
>>> 
>>> My biggest gripe is the bus speed.  Did they really think that people would 
>>> buy a full frame camera and always shoot JPEGs? I was photographing dance 
>>> competitions this weekend. Things happen fast, unpredictably, and often in 
>>> rapid succession, particularly when there is more than one couple dancing 
>>> at a time. After about a minute or two the buffer will fill up, and then 
>>> take something like five minutes to empty.  Once it fills up, it takes 
>>> something like 30 seconds before it's ready to shoot again, and I have no 
>>> idea of whether there's room in the buffer or not. I just have to press the 
>>> shutter and wonder whether it's not locking focus, or just still emptying 
>>> the buffer.
>>> 
>>> Gah! Every time I try to shoot action, I'm tempted to switch to Nikon. 
>>> Unfortunately, there's about 15,000 reasons why I can't.
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Re: K-1 grumbles

[Mark C]

Larry Colen wrote:

Mark C wrote:

FWIW - I just ran some tests with my K1 shooting DNGS and it takes 27 to
28 seconds to clear the buffer. It probably feels like 5 minutes when


Is that 27-28 seconds with a full buffer, or one shot?
Full buffer - about 17 DNGS in continuous shooting mode high before the 
buffer fills. After that its about 1 frame per second. A single shot 
saves in about 2 seconds - based on how long the drive light is on. A 
pixel shift image takes about 5 seconds though. But the full buffer 
clears in about 27 seconds.



things are happening, though. I'm using 64 gig Sandisk Extreme Pro UHS-I
cards, rated for 90 mb/sec write speeds. The are much faster cards out
there though I don't know if the K1 can take advantage of higher speed
cards (or even if it takes advantage of this card.) If you really are
experiencing several minutes of write time it may be the card.


Looking at three that happen to be out, all are SDXC C10 and the 95s 
are marked U3.
You might want to look up the specific card and see if you can get 
details re maximum write speed - I've been burned buying cards that 
appear to be very well spec'd but are still slow. For example - this 
card has a 40mb max write speed:


https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1275611-REG/sandisk_sdsdxve_064g_gncin_extreme_sdhc_64gb.html

while this one has a 90 mb/s max write speed:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1282965-REG/sandisk_sdsdxxg_064g_gn4in_extremepro_sdhc_64gb.html

But the specs printed on the cards, which displays the read speed, makes 
it look like they would be almost identical.


Again - I'm not sure that the K1 can use the fastest cards out there - 
not sure where the sweet spot is.


- Mark


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Re: K-1 grumbles

[Larry Colen]

Mark C wrote:

FWIW - I just ran some tests with my K1 shooting DNGS and it takes 27 to
28 seconds to clear the buffer. It probably feels like 5 minutes when
things are happening, though. I'm using 64 gig Sandisk Extreme Pro UHS-I
cards, rated for 90 mb/sec write speeds. The are much faster cards out
there though I don't know if the K1 can take advantage of higher speed
cards (or even if it takes advantage of this card.) If you really are
experiencing several minutes of write time it may be the card.


Thanks to Bruce for the advice. I turned off all lens correction, held 
the shutter down until the camera stopped taking photos, after about 18 
frames the buffer filled, I hit the stop watch and about 30 seconds 
later the "transfer light" went out.


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Re: K-1 grumbles

[Larry Colen]

Mark C wrote:

FWIW - I just ran some tests with my K1 shooting DNGS and it takes 27 to
28 seconds to clear the buffer. It probably feels like 5 minutes when


Is that 27-28 seconds with a full buffer, or one shot?


things are happening, though. I'm using 64 gig Sandisk Extreme Pro UHS-I
cards, rated for 90 mb/sec write speeds. The are much faster cards out
there though I don't know if the K1 can take advantage of higher speed
cards (or even if it takes advantage of this card.) If you really are
experiencing several minutes of write time it may be the card.


Looking at three that happen to be out, all are SDXC C10 and the 95s are 
marked U3.


Sandisk Extreme Plus 80 MB/s
Sandisk Ulta 80 MB/s
PNY 95MB/s



Overall I agree with your comments. File saves are on the slow side and
the AF point configuration leaves a lot to be desired. AF in liveview
mode is very slow - verging on unusable when shooting macros. There's
room for improvement to be sure, but still a fine camera.


Yes, in just about any other case, it's an amazing camera.



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Re: K-1 grumbles

[Larry Colen]

Jack Davis wrote:

Hi, Larry. In what way is the K1
focusing better or faster than the
K3ii?  Thanks!


The biggest way for me is that it doesn't obsesses over microphones the 
way the K-3 does. For example only a few of my musician photos from last 
weekend have the microphone rather than the singer in focus. I don't 
have any quantitative data other than that, but my gut feeling is that 
it does seem to be a bit faster, a bit more accurate, and most 
importantly a bit more precise in following the selected focus point.


When I'm using the long lenses, particularly outdoors, I still use the 
K-3ii because I'll crop anyways, it gives more dpi on the sensor, and in 
good light the sensor quality differences are barely noticable.




J

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 10, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

In many many ways the K-1 is an amazing camera. If all I did was portraits, 
landscapes and still lifes it would be damn near unbeatable, especially for the 
price.

However, for action photography, it can really suck donkey balls. The focusing is a huge 
improvement over the K-3ii, but the focus points don't cover nearly enough of the screen, 
especially if you want to place critical compositional elements at the "third 
points". Despite the improvements over the K-3, focus speed is still way too slow, 
especially compared to when I've shot a friend's Nikon 810.

My biggest gripe is the bus speed.  Did they really think that people would buy 
a full frame camera and always shoot JPEGs? I was photographing dance 
competitions this weekend. Things happen fast, unpredictably, and often in 
rapid succession, particularly when there is more than one couple dancing at a 
time. After about a minute or two the buffer will fill up, and then take 
something like five minutes to empty.  Once it fills up, it takes something 
like 30 seconds before it's ready to shoot again, and I have no idea of whether 
there's room in the buffer or not. I just have to press the shutter and wonder 
whether it's not locking focus, or just still emptying the buffer.

Gah! Every time I try to shoot action, I'm tempted to switch to Nikon. 
Unfortunately, there's about 15,000 reasons why I can't.
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Re: K-1 grumbles

[Paul Stenquist]

Doh autocorrect. "I agree about the focus points being too central"

Paul via phone

> On Oct 10, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> I'll bet your cards are slow. I shoot football, including action sequences 
> and have no buffer problems. I use Sandisk Extreme Pro 64 gig cards. And set 
> the camera to record on both simultaneously. I agree about the focus pound 
> before BH too central but it's not a big problem with sports work in that 
> focus on the chest or arm of the principal player is usually spot on for the 
> face as well, which is less visible given the helmet and face guard.
> 
> Paul via phone
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2017, at 4:39 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> In many many ways the K-1 is an amazing camera. If all I did was portraits, 
>> landscapes and still lifes it would be damn near unbeatable, especially for 
>> the price.
>> 
>> However, for action photography, it can really suck donkey balls. The 
>> focusing is a huge improvement over the K-3ii, but the focus points don't 
>> cover nearly enough of the screen, especially if you want to place critical 
>> compositional elements at the "third points". Despite the improvements over 
>> the K-3, focus speed is still way too slow, especially compared to when I've 
>> shot a friend's Nikon 810.
>> 
>> My biggest gripe is the bus speed.  Did they really think that people would 
>> buy a full frame camera and always shoot JPEGs? I was photographing dance 
>> competitions this weekend. Things happen fast, unpredictably, and often in 
>> rapid succession, particularly when there is more than one couple dancing at 
>> a time. After about a minute or two the buffer will fill up, and then take 
>> something like five minutes to empty.  Once it fills up, it takes something 
>> like 30 seconds before it's ready to shoot again, and I have no idea of 
>> whether there's room in the buffer or not. I just have to press the shutter 
>> and wonder whether it's not locking focus, or just still emptying the buffer.
>> 
>> Gah! Every time I try to shoot action, I'm tempted to switch to Nikon. 
>> Unfortunately, there's about 15,000 reasons why I can't.
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Re: K-1 grumbles

[Mark C]

FWIW - I just ran some tests with my K1 shooting DNGS and it takes 27 to 
28 seconds to clear the buffer. It probably feels like 5 minutes when 
things are happening, though. I'm using 64 gig Sandisk Extreme Pro UHS-I 
cards, rated for 90 mb/sec write speeds. The are much faster cards out 
there though I don't know if the K1 can take advantage of higher speed 
cards (or even if it takes advantage of this card.) If you really are 
experiencing several minutes of write time it may be the card.


Overall I agree with your comments. File saves are on the slow side and 
the AF point configuration leaves a lot to be desired. AF in liveview 
mode is very slow - verging on unusable when shooting macros. There's 
room for improvement to be sure, but still a fine camera.


Mark

Larry Colen wrote:
In many many ways the K-1 is an amazing camera. If all I did was 
portraits, landscapes and still lifes it would be damn near 
unbeatable, especially for the price.


However, for action photography, it can really suck donkey balls. The 
focusing is a huge improvement over the K-3ii, but the focus points 
don't cover nearly enough of the screen, especially if you want to 
place critical compositional elements at the "third points". Despite 
the improvements over the K-3, focus speed is still way too slow, 
especially compared to when I've shot a friend's Nikon 810.


My biggest gripe is the bus speed.  Did they really think that people 
would buy a full frame camera and always shoot JPEGs? I was 
photographing dance competitions this weekend. Things happen fast, 
unpredictably, and often in rapid succession, particularly when there 
is more than one couple dancing at a time. After about a minute or two 
the buffer will fill up, and then take something like five minutes to 
empty.  Once it fills up, it takes something like 30 seconds before 
it's ready to shoot again, and I have no idea of whether there's room 
in the buffer or not. I just have to press the shutter and wonder 
whether it's not locking focus, or just still emptying the buffer.


Gah! Every time I try to shoot action, I'm tempted to switch to Nikon. 
Unfortunately, there's about 15,000 reasons why I can't.



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Re: K-1 grumbles

[Larry Colen]

Bruce Walker wrote:

Are you quite certain you are using a fast enough SD card, and is


Mostly Sandisk, all of my (regular) cards are 80-95 MB/s.


there any possibility that you might have enabled any processing
feature(s) that could be slowing things up?


Thanks for the clue.  I thought I had turned off all unnecessary 
processing, but it turns out that only the first item in lens processing 
was turned off.




Even with the much larger 645Z files I have _never_ encountered
anything like what you describe. If I had, I would have switched
systems by now. Five freaking minutes to empty the buffer?
Infuckingtolerable.

Try a factory reset and a known fast card.


I just tried turning off all lens correction, which I had to do on an 
item by item basis.


Is there anything else that anyone has found that makes a difference?





On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

In many many ways the K-1 is an amazing camera. If all I did was portraits,
landscapes and still lifes it would be damn near unbeatable, especially for
the price.

However, for action photography, it can really suck donkey balls. The
focusing is a huge improvement over the K-3ii, but the focus points don't
cover nearly enough of the screen, especially if you want to place critical
compositional elements at the "third points". Despite the improvements over
the K-3, focus speed is still way too slow, especially compared to when I've
shot a friend's Nikon 810.

My biggest gripe is the bus speed.  Did they really think that people would
buy a full frame camera and always shoot JPEGs? I was photographing dance
competitions this weekend. Things happen fast, unpredictably, and often in
rapid succession, particularly when there is more than one couple dancing at
a time. After about a minute or two the buffer will fill up, and then take
something like five minutes to empty.  Once it fills up, it takes something
like 30 seconds before it's ready to shoot again, and I have no idea of
whether there's room in the buffer or not. I just have to press the shutter
and wonder whether it's not locking focus, or just still emptying the
buffer.

Gah! Every time I try to shoot action, I'm tempted to switch to Nikon.
Unfortunately, there's about 15,000 reasons why I can't.
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Re: K-1 grumbles

[Paul Stenquist]

I'll bet your cards are slow. I shoot football, including action sequences and 
have no buffer problems. I use Sandisk Extreme Pro 64 gig cards. And set the 
camera to record on both simultaneously. I agree about the focus pound before 
BH too central but it's not a big problem with sports work in that focus on the 
chest or arm of the principal player is usually spot on for the face as well, 
which is less visible given the helmet and face guard.

Paul via phone

> On Oct 10, 2017, at 4:39 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> In many many ways the K-1 is an amazing camera. If all I did was portraits, 
> landscapes and still lifes it would be damn near unbeatable, especially for 
> the price.
> 
> However, for action photography, it can really suck donkey balls. The 
> focusing is a huge improvement over the K-3ii, but the focus points don't 
> cover nearly enough of the screen, especially if you want to place critical 
> compositional elements at the "third points". Despite the improvements over 
> the K-3, focus speed is still way too slow, especially compared to when I've 
> shot a friend's Nikon 810.
> 
> My biggest gripe is the bus speed.  Did they really think that people would 
> buy a full frame camera and always shoot JPEGs? I was photographing dance 
> competitions this weekend. Things happen fast, unpredictably, and often in 
> rapid succession, particularly when there is more than one couple dancing at 
> a time. After about a minute or two the buffer will fill up, and then take 
> something like five minutes to empty.  Once it fills up, it takes something 
> like 30 seconds before it's ready to shoot again, and I have no idea of 
> whether there's room in the buffer or not. I just have to press the shutter 
> and wonder whether it's not locking focus, or just still emptying the buffer.
> 
> Gah! Every time I try to shoot action, I'm tempted to switch to Nikon. 
> Unfortunately, there's about 15,000 reasons why I can't.
> -- 
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> 
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Re: K-1 grumbles

[Jack Davis]

Hi, Larry. In what way is the K1
focusing better or faster than the
K3ii?  Thanks!

J

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> On Oct 10, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> In many many ways the K-1 is an amazing camera. If all I did was portraits, 
> landscapes and still lifes it would be damn near unbeatable, especially for 
> the price.
> 
> However, for action photography, it can really suck donkey balls. The 
> focusing is a huge improvement over the K-3ii, but the focus points don't 
> cover nearly enough of the screen, especially if you want to place critical 
> compositional elements at the "third points". Despite the improvements over 
> the K-3, focus speed is still way too slow, especially compared to when I've 
> shot a friend's Nikon 810.
> 
> My biggest gripe is the bus speed.  Did they really think that people would 
> buy a full frame camera and always shoot JPEGs? I was photographing dance 
> competitions this weekend. Things happen fast, unpredictably, and often in 
> rapid succession, particularly when there is more than one couple dancing at 
> a time. After about a minute or two the buffer will fill up, and then take 
> something like five minutes to empty.  Once it fills up, it takes something 
> like 30 seconds before it's ready to shoot again, and I have no idea of 
> whether there's room in the buffer or not. I just have to press the shutter 
> and wonder whether it's not locking focus, or just still emptying the buffer.
> 
> Gah! Every time I try to shoot action, I'm tempted to switch to Nikon. 
> Unfortunately, there's about 15,000 reasons why I can't.
> -- 
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> 
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Re: K-1 grumbles

[Bruce Walker]

Are you quite certain you are using a fast enough SD card, and is
there any possibility that you might have enabled any processing
feature(s) that could be slowing things up?

Even with the much larger 645Z files I have _never_ encountered
anything like what you describe. If I had, I would have switched
systems by now. Five freaking minutes to empty the buffer?
Infuckingtolerable.

Try a factory reset and a known fast card.


On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> In many many ways the K-1 is an amazing camera. If all I did was portraits,
> landscapes and still lifes it would be damn near unbeatable, especially for
> the price.
>
> However, for action photography, it can really suck donkey balls. The
> focusing is a huge improvement over the K-3ii, but the focus points don't
> cover nearly enough of the screen, especially if you want to place critical
> compositional elements at the "third points". Despite the improvements over
> the K-3, focus speed is still way too slow, especially compared to when I've
> shot a friend's Nikon 810.
>
> My biggest gripe is the bus speed.  Did they really think that people would
> buy a full frame camera and always shoot JPEGs? I was photographing dance
> competitions this weekend. Things happen fast, unpredictably, and often in
> rapid succession, particularly when there is more than one couple dancing at
> a time. After about a minute or two the buffer will fill up, and then take
> something like five minutes to empty.  Once it fills up, it takes something
> like 30 seconds before it's ready to shoot again, and I have no idea of
> whether there's room in the buffer or not. I just have to press the shutter
> and wonder whether it's not locking focus, or just still emptying the
> buffer.
>
> Gah! Every time I try to shoot action, I'm tempted to switch to Nikon.
> Unfortunately, there's about 15,000 reasons why I can't.
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K-1 grumbles

[Larry Colen]

In many many ways the K-1 is an amazing camera. If all I did was 
portraits, landscapes and still lifes it would be damn near unbeatable, 
especially for the price.


However, for action photography, it can really suck donkey balls. The 
focusing is a huge improvement over the K-3ii, but the focus points 
don't cover nearly enough of the screen, especially if you want to place 
critical compositional elements at the "third points". Despite the 
improvements over the K-3, focus speed is still way too slow, especially 
compared to when I've shot a friend's Nikon 810.


My biggest gripe is the bus speed.  Did they really think that people 
would buy a full frame camera and always shoot JPEGs? I was 
photographing dance competitions this weekend. Things happen fast, 
unpredictably, and often in rapid succession, particularly when there is 
more than one couple dancing at a time. After about a minute or two the 
buffer will fill up, and then take something like five minutes to empty. 
 Once it fills up, it takes something like 30 seconds before it's ready 
to shoot again, and I have no idea of whether there's room in the buffer 
or not. I just have to press the shutter and wonder whether it's not 
locking focus, or just still emptying the buffer.


Gah! Every time I try to shoot action, I'm tempted to switch to Nikon. 
Unfortunately, there's about 15,000 reasons why I can't.

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