RE: K-3 II shooting video: No Card In the Camera (Wanna bet?)

2016-04-16 Thread Malcolm Smith 
Larry Colen wrote:

> The first time I tried video on a DSLR I realized something.  I was
> photographing a musician on my Kx with my 77/1.8, so it was a rather
> shallow depth of field.  I realized that "home movies", whether super
> 8, camcorder, or cell phone have always been done on small sensor
> systems, which give a lot of depth of field.  Everything I'd ever seen
> with shallow depth of field was professional, either movies or TV, so
> just by having shallow depth of field my mind associated it with
> "professional quality".

Noted. I've seen a lot of this shallow depth of field on YouTube but for me
it is pretty much the opposite of the deep depth of field I need. Then
again, I'm not a professional.

Malcolm 


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Re: K-3 II shooting video: No Card In the Camera (Wanna bet?)

2016-04-15 Thread James King 
Steve Cottrell wrote on  Fri, 15 Apr 2016 11:15:38 -0700:

 On 15/4/16, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

 >Shallow depth of field in movies looks gimmicky to me, like excessive
 >use of slow motion. It feels as if the director is beating me over the
 >head by forcing me to look at what s/he wants, rather than making good
 >use of 'mise en scène' so the audience can see and think for themselves.

 AGREE.

 Shallow DoF is very overrated at the moment. It can be used, with care,
 to great effect.

 But not every fucking shot.

What he said.  

I used to spend  lot of time in the Leica User Forum and almost everyone seemed 
toi be in love with one of the various flavors of the Noctliux 50mm  (f1.1 to 
0.9).  Lots of boring photos…

Regards, Jim


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Re: K-3 II shooting video: No Card In the Camera (Wanna bet?)

2016-04-15 Thread mike wilson 
> On 15 April 2016 at 19:14 Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 15/4/16, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Shallow depth of field in movies looks gimmicky to me, like excessive
> >use of slow motion. It feels as if the director is beating me over the
> >head by forcing me to look at what s/he wants, rather than making good
> >use of 'mise en scène' so the audience can see and think for themselves.
> 
> AGREE.
> 
> Shallow DoF is very overrated at the moment. It can be used, with care,
> to great effect.
> 
> But not every fucking shot.

It's no good in those shots _at all_.

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Re: K-3 II shooting video: No Card In the Camera (Wanna bet?)

2016-04-15 Thread Steve Cottrell 
On 15/4/16, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Shallow depth of field in movies looks gimmicky to me, like excessive
>use of slow motion. It feels as if the director is beating me over the
>head by forcing me to look at what s/he wants, rather than making good
>use of 'mise en scène' so the audience can see and think for themselves.

AGREE.

Shallow DoF is very overrated at the moment. It can be used, with care,
to great effect.

But not every fucking shot.

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Re: K-3 II shooting video: No Card In the Camera (Wanna bet?)

2016-04-15 Thread Bob W-PDML 
Jean Renoir, followed by Orson Wells, pioneered great depth of field as a way 
of layering their movies, and of using the camera to reveal things subtly. 
Shallow depth of field in movies looks gimmicky to me, like excessive use of 
slow motion. It feels as if the director is beating me over the head by forcing 
me to look at what s/he wants, rather than making good use of 'mise en scène' 
so the audience can see and think for themselves.

B

> On 15 Apr 2016, at 18:48, Darren Addy  wrote:
> 
> Yep. That's why thin DOF adapters are popular with young moviemakers.
> They can take a small sensor video camera and still get that
> professional look.
> I picked up an EnCinema 35 with something else that I was purchasing.
> It is an adapter that accepts a Canon EOS lens on one end and has a
> small glass screen at the focal plane of that lens. You put this on
> the front of the video camera with close focus filters and essentially
> record that glass screen. The results are pretty cool:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHwFipV7Po8
> 
> The other part of professional TV/movie work is not just thin DOF but
> the way the focus SNAPS from one point to another (as in the faces of
> two people in conversation). Here's a neat story on the job of "focus
> pulling":
> http://www.npr.org/2014/02/28/283461599/keen-eyes-uncanny-instincts-keep-films-in-sharp-focus
> 
> More on the intricacies of the job:
> http://www.theblackandblue.com/pulling-focus/
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Malcolm Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I'd be very interested to know how you get on with video Darren.
>>> 
>>> I've not really had any use of the cameras(s) that have video
>>> capabilities, as I've had no real interest. However, this morning, a 'phone
>>> call from friend suggested making a short video on the changes in my area
>>> over the last 25 years (basically since he left my area), which although he
>>> mentioned as a joke, it's something I'd like a go at.
>>> 
>>> As the function is there, I should at least give it a try. Our family was
>>> not much into home movies; I've got a dozen or so 8mm films from the late
>>> 60's my father made (not seen since I was a teenager) and two mini Betamax
>>> video cassettes from a camera which probably had one hour of use in the time
>>> my parents had it.
>> 
>> 
>> The first time I tried video on a DSLR I realized something.  I was
>> photographing a musician on my Kx with my 77/1.8, so it was a rather shallow
>> depth of field.  I realized that "home movies", whether super 8, camcorder,
>> or cell phone have always been done on small sensor systems, which give a
>> lot of depth of field.  Everything I'd ever seen with shallow depth of field
>> was professional, either movies or TV, so just by having shallow depth of
>> field my mind associated it with "professional quality".
>> 
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>> 
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Re: K-3 II shooting video: No Card In the Camera (Wanna bet?)

2016-04-15 Thread Darren Addy 
Yep. That's why thin DOF adapters are popular with young moviemakers.
They can take a small sensor video camera and still get that
professional look.
I picked up an EnCinema 35 with something else that I was purchasing.
It is an adapter that accepts a Canon EOS lens on one end and has a
small glass screen at the focal plane of that lens. You put this on
the front of the video camera with close focus filters and essentially
record that glass screen. The results are pretty cool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHwFipV7Po8

The other part of professional TV/movie work is not just thin DOF but
the way the focus SNAPS from one point to another (as in the faces of
two people in conversation). Here's a neat story on the job of "focus
pulling":
http://www.npr.org/2014/02/28/283461599/keen-eyes-uncanny-instincts-keep-films-in-sharp-focus

More on the intricacies of the job:
http://www.theblackandblue.com/pulling-focus/


On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> Malcolm Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> I'd be very interested to know how you get on with video Darren.
>>
>> I've not really had any use of the cameras(s) that have video
>> capabilities, as I've had no real interest. However, this morning, a 'phone
>> call from friend suggested making a short video on the changes in my area
>> over the last 25 years (basically since he left my area), which although he
>> mentioned as a joke, it's something I'd like a go at.
>>
>> As the function is there, I should at least give it a try. Our family was
>> not much into home movies; I've got a dozen or so 8mm films from the late
>> 60's my father made (not seen since I was a teenager) and two mini Betamax
>> video cassettes from a camera which probably had one hour of use in the time
>> my parents had it.
>
>
> The first time I tried video on a DSLR I realized something.  I was
> photographing a musician on my Kx with my 77/1.8, so it was a rather shallow
> depth of field.  I realized that "home movies", whether super 8, camcorder,
> or cell phone have always been done on small sensor systems, which give a
> lot of depth of field.  Everything I'd ever seen with shallow depth of field
> was professional, either movies or TV, so just by having shallow depth of
> field my mind associated it with "professional quality".
>
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Re: K-3 II shooting video: No Card In the Camera (Wanna bet?)

2016-04-15 Thread Larry Colen 



Malcolm Smith wrote:



I'd be very interested to know how you get on with video Darren.

I've not really had any use of the cameras(s) that have video capabilities, as 
I've had no real interest. However, this morning, a 'phone call from friend 
suggested making a short video on the changes in my area over the last 25 years 
(basically since he left my area), which although he mentioned as a joke, it's 
something I'd like a go at.

As the function is there, I should at least give it a try. Our family was not 
much into home movies; I've got a dozen or so 8mm films from the late 60's my 
father made (not seen since I was a teenager) and two mini Betamax video 
cassettes from a camera which probably had one hour of use in the time my 
parents had it.


The first time I tried video on a DSLR I realized something.  I was 
photographing a musician on my Kx with my 77/1.8, so it was a rather 
shallow depth of field.  I realized that "home movies", whether super 8, 
camcorder, or cell phone have always been done on small sensor systems, 
which give a lot of depth of field.  Everything I'd ever seen with 
shallow depth of field was professional, either movies or TV, so just by 
having shallow depth of field my mind associated it with "professional 
quality".


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RE: K-3 II shooting video: No Card In the Camera (Wanna bet?)

2016-04-15 Thread Malcolm Smith 
Darren Addy wrote:
 
> I haven't been much of a video shooter, but I thought I would try
> capturing video of the sun today. But when I tried it (with two
> different cards) when I went to start recording it gave me a "No Card
> in Camera" message. Same cards record video fine in the K-01.
> 
> As I was typing this, it occured to me: Does video only go to Slot 2?
> Or is that something I set in menus, maybe? I didn't think of it at the
> time or I would have tried it.
> 
> Just tried the card in Slot 2 NOW and it records fine. So I must have
> set it up that way (or it is that way by default). Decided to still
> send this to the group in case knowing this is useful to anyone else.
> I'm never afraid to run my ignorance up the flagpole for the Greater
> Good.
> :)

I'd be very interested to know how you get on with video Darren.

I've not really had any use of the cameras(s) that have video capabilities, as 
I've had no real interest. However, this morning, a 'phone call from friend 
suggested making a short video on the changes in my area over the last 25 years 
(basically since he left my area), which although he mentioned as a joke, it's 
something I'd like a go at.

As the function is there, I should at least give it a try. Our family was not 
much into home movies; I've got a dozen or so 8mm films from the late 60's my 
father made (not seen since I was a teenager) and two mini Betamax video 
cassettes from a camera which probably had one hour of use in the time my 
parents had it.

Malcolm  


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K-3 II shooting video: No Card In the Camera (Wanna bet?)

2016-04-14 Thread Darren Addy 
I haven't been much of a video shooter, but I thought I would try
capturing video of the sun today. But when I tried it (with two
different cards) when I went to start recording it gave me a "No Card
in Camera" message. Same cards record video fine in the K-01.

As I was typing this, it occured to me: Does video only go to Slot 2?
Or is that something I set in menus, maybe? I didn't think of it at
the time or I would have tried it.

Just tried the card in Slot 2 NOW and it records fine. So I must have
set it up that way (or it is that way by default). Decided to still
send this to the group in case knowing this is useful to anyone else.
I'm never afraid to run my ignorance up the flagpole for the Greater
Good.
:)


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