K-7 Review
The Register has seemed a bit partial to Pentax for a long time. Their review of the K-7 came out today: A compelling mix of performance, handling, features and build quality. Enthusiasts and semi-pros should check it out. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/15/review_camera_pentax_k_7_dslr/ -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7 Review
Just a side note, has anyone had to fiddle with ant BF/FF on their K7's as they did on the K20/K10D's Dave On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote: The Register has seemed a bit partial to Pentax for a long time. Their review of the K-7 came out today: A compelling mix of performance, handling, features and build quality. Enthusiasts and semi-pros should check it out. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/15/review_camera_pentax_k_7_dslr/ -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7 Review
- Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: K-7 Review Just a side note, has anyone had to fiddle with ant BF/FF on their K7's as they did on the K20/K10D's I haven't bothered yet with all my AF lenses, mostly my K-7 has been good. I've tweaked a couple of lenses, but it's been pretty slight. I don't bother with this stuff unless I notice a problem. I do have a Katz-Eye for my K-7, but I have to send the camera in for installation this time as it needs shimming. I'll probably send my 31 along with it and they can do the full mechanical adjustment routine and bring the screen and AF into alignnment with the settings zeroed out. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7 Review
On Jan 15, 2010, at 11:26 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Just a side note, has anyone had to fiddle with ant BF/FF on their K7's as they did on the K20/K10D's It wasn't of a noticeable amount with any of my lenses as it was on the K20D. I did fine tune my most used lenses. If I recall, only a plus or minus one or two. Dave On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote: The Register has seemed a bit partial to Pentax for a long time. Their review of the K-7 came out today: A compelling mix of performance, handling, features and build quality. Enthusiasts and semi-pros should check it out. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/15/review_camera_pentax_k_7_dslr/ -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7 Review
2010/1/15 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com: Just a side note, has anyone had to fiddle with ant BF/FF on their K7's as they did on the K20/K10D's My two specimens are very similar. Have only bothered to tweak the tele lenses. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7 review on T.O.P.
I've tried to follow Gordon Lewis' own blog for a while. I have found it uphill work, but mostly because I don't click with his writing style, I think. He's got strong opinions on most matters he cares to cover... Jostein 2009/9/16 Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7 review on T.O.P.
2009/9/16 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com: I've tried to follow Gordon Lewis' own blog for a while. I have found it uphill work, but mostly because I don't click with his writing style, I think. He's got strong opinions on most matters he cares to cover... Jostein Don't we all? I've been reading his blog for a long time now, and quite enjoy it. While I might not award it a Blog Pulitzer, it is far from uphill work. We all have our different tastes, though. In any case, it's a good thing to have the K-7 featured on TOP. Pentax needs exposure. --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-7 review on T.O.P.
Notice that he did not mention(maybe he will later) about soft jpeg files. His indoor sample is quite nice. Could make some camera sales with that sample. Dave On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:28 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: I've tried to follow Gordon Lewis' own blog for a while. I have found it uphill work, but mostly because I don't click with his writing style, I think. He's got strong opinions on most matters he cares to cover... Jostein 2009/9/16 Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K-7 review on T.O.P.
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Re: K-7 review on T.O.P.
Derby Chang wrote: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html Oooh, that mirror slap comment is likely to draw some fire ... or am I confusing the 67/6x7 bodies with the 645? -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 7:58 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: It would have to be the K200D replacement, 1.) It's on the Pentax Japan Discontinued list. 2.) the K-m is too new. We'll see :) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 -, thefinal.)
There are some who swore they would never buy another body until a full-frame, weather-sealed, apeture simulated one became available. So, the aperture simulator is just that little lever at about the 2:00 position on the K-1000's lens mount that hooks into Pentax-M lens to tell the camera what aperture is selected. Bingo. Now just to clarify that it's important, Boz, actually posted that he intended to shoot Nikon or Cannon rather than Pentax when that little doohickey was removed. So it's not just the lunatic fringe that was disturbed. You're talking about a guy who, just for kicks and grins, keeps and updates a website documenting everything ever made by a company he (as far as I know) has no affiliation with, even though he no longer uses their products. If he's not part of the lunatic fringe, no one is. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/calemp http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.)
In a message dated 9/11/2009 11:20:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, d...@alphoto.com writes: John Sessoms wrote: This seems to be an old inside joke on PDML, but I still don't understand what an aperture simulator is supposed to do. Yeah, it simulates the aperture, but to what purpose? Can someone explain it in REAL SIMPLE terms? For reference, I have the following Pentax cameras to use as examples I can look at it while I'm reading the explanation if any applies: K10D *ist-D PZ-1P LX Super Program K1000 Auto-110 Super popping popcorn careful what you wish for, John. The flames of Hell await. = Aaag hh!!! Marnie-- Runs and hides. ;-) - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:51 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: mike wilson wrote: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Larry Colen wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:42:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. My recollection was the hint that it would be an APS camera with full frame performance. Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. 645D? A straight response? Get with the Program. Don't put me on the Spot like that. You're MXing your camera series again. 6 out of 7 agree. Dave -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
David J Brooks wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:51 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: mike wilson wrote: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Larry Colen wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:42:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. My recollection was the hint that it would be an APS camera with full frame performance. Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. 645D? A straight response? Get with the Program. Don't put me on the Spot like that. You're MXing your camera series again. 6 out of 7 agree. ES it too much to think about ME for a change? Honey, well, I'll might as well just F off D -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
Is it the K-m replacement coming in a week or so? or something else? ;) On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: AlunFoto wrote: 2009/9/11 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. If it's red, it's a herring. I cannot reveal any more until everything is in plaice. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
It would have to be the K200D replacement, 1.) It's on the Pentax Japan Discontinued list. 2.) the K-m is too new. Thibouille wrote: Is it the K-m replacement coming in a week or so? or something else? ;) On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: AlunFoto wrote: 2009/9/11 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. If it's red, it's a herring. I cannot reveal any more until everything is in plaice. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
Derby Chang wrote: David J Brooks wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:51 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: mike wilson wrote: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Larry Colen wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:42:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. My recollection was the hint that it would be an APS camera with full frame performance. Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. 645D? A straight response? Get with the Program. Don't put me on the Spot like that. You're MXing your camera series again. 6 out of 7 agree. ES it too much to think about ME for a change? Honey, well, I'll might as well just F off This ist too much for me to take. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
2009/9/12 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com: Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. 645D? A straight response? Get with the Program. Don't put me on the Spot like that. You're MXing your camera series again. 6 out of 7 agree. *ist hat so? Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Full Pentax K-7 Review at Imagging resource
Looks more very complete and a bit more balanced than the DP Review usually turns out to be http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/K7/K7A.HTM -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 -, the final.)
From: mike wilson John Sessoms wrote: From: Scott Loveless On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. This seems to be an old inside joke on PDML, but I still don't understand what an aperture simulator is supposed to do. Yeah, it simulates the aperture, but to what purpose? Can someone explain it in REAL SIMPLE terms? For reference, I have the following Pentax cameras to use as examples I can look at it while I'm reading the explanation if any applies: K10D *ist-D PZ-1P LX Super Program K1000 Auto-110 Super It's a mechanical system for setting the aperture so that when you set the number on the aperture ring the lens stays wide open for focusing, only stopping down as you actually take the picture. The simulator part allows the body to set an appropriate shutter speed. Its absence on the original DSLR (replaced with an [GASP!] electronic system that required a different type of lens) was the cause of much wailing and gnashing of teeth from those who had large collections of lenses built up over many years and who could not put down purchase of new ones as a tax deductible. There are some who swore they would never buy another body until a full-frame, weather-sealed, apeture simulated one became available. So, the aperture simulator is just that little lever at about the 2:00 position on the K-1000's lens mount that hooks into Pentax-M lens to tell the camera what aperture is selected. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 -, the final.)
John Sessoms wrote: From: mike wilson John Sessoms wrote: From: Scott Loveless On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. This seems to be an old inside joke on PDML, but I still don't understand what an aperture simulator is supposed to do. Yeah, it simulates the aperture, but to what purpose? Can someone explain it in REAL SIMPLE terms? For reference, I have the following Pentax cameras to use as examples I can look at it while I'm reading the explanation if any applies: K10D *ist-D PZ-1P LX Super Program K1000 Auto-110 Super It's a mechanical system for setting the aperture so that when you set the number on the aperture ring the lens stays wide open for focusing, only stopping down as you actually take the picture. The simulator part allows the body to set an appropriate shutter speed. Its absence on the original DSLR (replaced with an [GASP!] electronic system that required a different type of lens) was the cause of much wailing and gnashing of teeth from those who had large collections of lenses built up over many years and who could not put down purchase of new ones as a tax deductible. There are some who swore they would never buy another body until a full-frame, weather-sealed, apeture simulated one became available. So, the aperture simulator is just that little lever at about the 2:00 position on the K-1000's lens mount that hooks into Pentax-M lens to tell the camera what aperture is selected. Bingo. Now just to clarify that it's important, Boz, actually posted that he intended to shoot Nikon or Cannon rather than Pentax when that little doohickey was removed. So it's not just the lunatic fringe that was disturbed. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 -, the final.)
On 13/09/2009, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Bingo. Now just to clarify that it's important, Boz, actually posted that he intended to shoot Nikon or Cannon rather than Pentax when that little doohickey was removed. So it's not just the lunatic fringe that was disturbed. Witness all the regular photogrpahers here that have subsequently endured problems with consistancy of exposure using the stop down metering kludge provided in its place. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 -, the final.)
Metering with K and M lenses seems to be quite accurate with the K7. Paul On Sep 12, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 13/09/2009, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Bingo. Now just to clarify that it's important, Boz, actually posted that he intended to shoot Nikon or Cannon rather than Pentax when that little doohickey was removed. So it's not just the lunatic fringe that was disturbed. Witness all the regular photogrpahers here that have subsequently endured problems with consistancy of exposure using the stop down metering kludge provided in its place. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
On 10/9/09, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I'll join Cotty for dinner if we see a full frame Pentax before 2011. BYOH. ;) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
Larry Colen wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:42:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. My recollection was the hint that it would be an APS camera with full frame performance. Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. I can't bare the tenchion. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
2009/9/11 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. Having just bought the K-7, I'll stick to my perch for a while. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
On 11/9/09, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: Having just bought the K-7, I'll stick to my perch for a while. Lovely plumage mate. Norwegian innit? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
Oh my! I watched Gordon Ramsey catch and eat Puffin yesterday. He didn't much care for perching on the cliffs with a long pole and a net. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 11/9/09, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: Having just bought the K-7, I'll stick to my perch for a while. Lovely plumage mate. Norwegian innit? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
2009/9/11 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: On 11/9/09, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: Having just bought the K-7, I'll stick to my perch for a while. Lovely plumage mate. Norwegian innit? Ain't got the blues yet. Wasn't really fishing for compliments, though. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
2009/9/11 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: Oh my! I watched Gordon Ramsey catch and eat Puffin yesterday. He didn't much care for perching on the cliffs with a long pole and a net. Regards, Bob S. That's traditional for Iceland. And possibly the Faroe islands. Not much meat on those little furballs, though. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
2009/9/11 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. If it's red, it's a herring. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Larry Colen wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:42:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. My recollection was the hint that it would be an APS camera with full frame performance. Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. 645D? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. I can't bare the tenchion. Broach a new topic, then. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
AlunFoto wrote: 2009/9/11 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. If it's red, it's a herring. I cannot reveal any more until everything is in plaice. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
2009/9/11 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. If it's red, it's a herring. I cannot reveal any more until everything is in plaice. Singing to the embargo tuna. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:23 AM, mike wilson wrote: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Larry Colen wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:42:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. My recollection was the hint that it would be an APS camera with full frame performance. Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. 645D? That will probably be the next big news. But he next camera will be a slightly dumbed down version of the K7. We're only a matter of weeks from the K7 launch. That was something interesting, and it already came down the pike. We're not talking Canon and Nikon here. Major releases will continue to be few and far between. Paul PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
I'll send the Tabasco. Cotty wrote: On 10/9/09, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I'll join Cotty for dinner if we see a full frame Pentax before 2011. BYOH. ;) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
AlunFoto wrote: 2009/9/11 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. Having just bought the K-7, I'll stick to my perch for a while. Jostein So you';re abandoning the Sunny 16 rule? * Sunfish http://www.greenexpander.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/ocean-sunfish.jpg -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:28:16AM -0400, P. J. Alling scripsit: Cotty wrote: On 10/9/09, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I'll join Cotty for dinner if we see a full frame Pentax before 2011. BYOH. I'll send the Tabasco. I dunno; I think the lack of tenderness in hats would be more or a problem than the extremely bland taste or the horrendous mouth feel. You'd want something with real authority -- curried habanero horseradish, say -- to help break down the cotton fibres in the hat. Nylon or polyester fibres would be even worse; a fur-felt fedora might be worst of all. -- Graydon, who thinks an announcement on 2010/12/27 would be so very much in keeping with the fine Pentax marketing tradition -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
mike wilson wrote: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Larry Colen wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:42:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. My recollection was the hint that it would be an APS camera with full frame performance. Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. 645D? A straight response? Get with the Program. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
P. J. Alling wrote: mike wilson wrote: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Larry Colen wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:42:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. My recollection was the hint that it would be an APS camera with full frame performance. Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. 645D? A straight response? Get with the Program. Don't put me on the Spot like that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:51 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: mike wilson wrote: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Larry Colen wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:42:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. My recollection was the hint that it would be an APS camera with full frame performance. Well, I think something interesting's coming down the pike. 645D? A straight response? Get with the Program. Don't put me on the Spot like that. You're MXing your camera series again. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.)
From: Scott Loveless On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. This seems to be an old inside joke on PDML, but I still don't understand what an aperture simulator is supposed to do. Yeah, it simulates the aperture, but to what purpose? Can someone explain it in REAL SIMPLE terms? For reference, I have the following Pentax cameras to use as examples I can look at it while I'm reading the explanation if any applies: K10D *ist-D PZ-1P LX Super Program K1000 Auto-110 Super -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.)
John Sessoms wrote: This seems to be an old inside joke on PDML, but I still don't understand what an aperture simulator is supposed to do. Yeah, it simulates the aperture, but to what purpose? Can someone explain it in REAL SIMPLE terms? For reference, I have the following Pentax cameras to use as examples I can look at it while I'm reading the explanation if any applies: K10D *ist-D PZ-1P LX Super Program K1000 Auto-110 Super popping popcorn careful what you wish for, John. The flames of Hell await. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.)
It was, essentially, a little doohickey inside the body end of the lens mount that pressed a tiny pin on the older lenses that would make the lens stop down to chosen f stop. It went away when Pentax ate from the tree of digital knowledge, but many still await its return. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:17 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.) From: Scott Loveless On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. This seems to be an old inside joke on PDML, but I still don't understand what an aperture simulator is supposed to do. Yeah, it simulates the aperture, but to what purpose? Can someone explain it in REAL SIMPLE terms? For reference, I have the following Pentax cameras to use as examples I can look at it while I'm reading the explanation if any applies: K10D *ist-D PZ-1P LX Super Program K1000 Auto-110 Super -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.)
On Sep 11, 2009, at 13:38, Desjardins, Steve wrote: It was, essentially, a little doohickey inside the body end of the lens mount that pressed a tiny pin on the older lenses that would make the lens stop down to chosen f stop. It went away when Pentax ate from the tree of digital knowledge, but many still await its return. bzzt! It was a lever on the body which would interact with a lever on the lens (K-M series automatic lenses) so that the camera body would know: hey, this lens is now stopped down to such-and-such a stop while allowing the aperture to remain all the way open. The light meter would compensate as if there was less light coming in so that you'd know the exposure was set correctly. When the photo is/was taken, the other thingie which has been holding the aperture all the way open would drop and the lens would stop down to the set value - shutter opens, shutter closes, aperture again pops all the way open. This ability (to just know what aperture the K or M lens is set to) is not in the digital SLR bodies. If you have a non-A lens, and you want to shoot at something other than wide open, you have to use manual mode and the green button to physically stop down the lens, take a light reading WITH THE APERTURE STOPPED DOWN, and then pop the aperture wide open to let you focus, compose, etc. I may have some specifics wrong, but that is *basically* it. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.)
John Sessoms wrote: From: Scott Loveless On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. This seems to be an old inside joke on PDML, but I still don't understand what an aperture simulator is supposed to do. Yeah, it simulates the aperture, but to what purpose? Can someone explain it in REAL SIMPLE terms? For reference, I have the following Pentax cameras to use as examples I can look at it while I'm reading the explanation if any applies: K10D *ist-D PZ-1P LX Super Program K1000 Auto-110 Super It's a mechanical system for setting the aperture so that when you set the number on the aperture ring the lens stays wide open for focusing, only stopping down as you actually take the picture. The simulator part allows the body to set an appropriate shutter speed. Its absence on the original DSLR (replaced with an [GASP!] electronic system that required a different type of lens) was the cause of much wailing and gnashing of teeth from those who had large collections of lenses built up over many years and who could not put down purchase of new ones as a tax deductible. There are some who swore they would never buy another body until a full-frame, weather-sealed, apeture simulated one became available. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.)
Wrong doodad. I'm thinking of the thing on the SP500. It's been so long . . . -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Charles Robinson Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:55 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.) On Sep 11, 2009, at 13:38, Desjardins, Steve wrote: It was, essentially, a little doohickey inside the body end of the lens mount that pressed a tiny pin on the older lenses that would make the lens stop down to chosen f stop. It went away when Pentax ate from the tree of digital knowledge, but many still await its return. bzzt! It was a lever on the body which would interact with a lever on the lens (K-M series automatic lenses) so that the camera body would know: hey, this lens is now stopped down to such-and-such a stop while allowing the aperture to remain all the way open. The light meter would compensate as if there was less light coming in so that you'd know the exposure was set correctly. When the photo is/was taken, the other thingie which has been holding the aperture all the way open would drop and the lens would stop down to the set value - shutter opens, shutter closes, aperture again pops all the way open. This ability (to just know what aperture the K or M lens is set to) is not in the digital SLR bodies. If you have a non-A lens, and you want to shoot at something other than wide open, you have to use manual mode and the green button to physically stop down the lens, take a light reading WITH THE APERTURE STOPPED DOWN, and then pop the aperture wide open to let you focus, compose, etc. I may have some specifics wrong, but that is *basically* it. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.)
I believe the second little button on the back of the lenses first appeared on Super-Multi-Coated Takumar lenses when they were still M42 thread mount. This configuration changed nothing when these lenses were introduced with the Spotmatic II bodies. The new bit of machinery inside the lenses was done in anticipation of a yet to be Pentax that would be called the Spotmatic F. When screwed onto an F type Spotmatic, SMC lenses allowed open aperture meter reading for the first time on a Pentax 35mm camera. Such lenses could still be used on Spotmatics and Spotmatic II bodies, but these lenses need be stopped down to run the built in meter by turning on the meter switch. I still use Super Takumar, Super-multi-Coated Takumars and more modern K mount Takumar lenses on my digital Pentax camera. I run the camera in manual mode and switch the focus to the manual setting. Usually it only takes a shot or two to get an acceptable exposure set-up. I will also set the focal length of the lens, times 1.5, and leave the motion reduction system in the ON position. Richard Bush -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.)
THE APERTURE SIMULATOR IS DEAD, AND IT'S NEVER COMING BACK\\ On Sep 11, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: John Sessoms wrote: This seems to be an old inside joke on PDML, but I still don't understand what an aperture simulator is supposed to do. Yeah, it simulates the aperture, but to what purpose? Can someone explain it in REAL SIMPLE terms? For reference, I have the following Pentax cameras to use as examples I can look at it while I'm reading the explanation if any applies: K10D *ist-D PZ-1P LX Super Program K1000 Auto-110 Super popping popcorn careful what you wish for, John. The flames of Hell await. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 10/9/09, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I'll join Cotty for dinner if we see a full frame Pentax before 2011. BYOH. And I'll take the photo, with a D1, 2.75 MP camera, that still works.:-) Dave ;) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.)
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:08:55 -0600 Richard D Bush rbushidiog...@comcast.net wrote: I will also set the focal length of the lens, times 1.5, and leave the motion reduction system in the ON position. why 1.5? the lenses are cropped not longer? -- Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition.- Robert Heinlein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.)
This particular phrase describes an obsolete feature on old cameras that is no longer available on new Pentax cameras. Just mentioning the feature caused SHOUTING and endless RANTING by a particular subscriber (JCO). Since placing him in my kill file, I no longer see his messages and it doesn't bother me. The poor soul needs medication... Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Sep 11, 2009, at 13:38, Desjardins, Steve wrote: It was, essentially, a little doohickey inside the body end of the lens mount that pressed a tiny pin on the older lenses that would make the lens stop down to chosen f stop. It went away when Pentax ate from the tree of digital knowledge, but many still await its return. bzzt! It was a lever on the body which would interact with a lever on the lens (K-M series automatic lenses) so that the camera body would know: hey, this lens is now stopped down to such-and-such a stop while allowing the aperture to remain all the way open. The light meter would compensate as if there was less light coming in so that you'd know the exposure was set correctly. When the photo is/was taken, the other thingie which has been holding the aperture all the way open would drop and the lens would stop down to the set value - shutter opens, shutter closes, aperture again pops all the way open. This ability (to just know what aperture the K or M lens is set to) is not in the digital SLR bodies. If you have a non-A lens, and you want to shoot at something other than wide open, you have to use manual mode and the green button to physically stop down the lens, take a light reading WITH THE APERTURE STOPPED DOWN, and then pop the aperture wide open to let you focus, compose, etc. I may have some specifics wrong, but that is *basically* it. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.)
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:17 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: This seems to be an old inside joke on PDML, but I still don't understand what an aperture simulator is supposed to do. It's not a simulator. SLR cameras since the early 1960s have what is called an automatic diaphragm. What this means is that the iris in the lens is held open for best focusing and framing illumination in the viewfinder. At the time you release the shutter, the iris is automatically closed down to the taking aperture set on the lens, the mirror flips up, the exposure is made, then the mirror and the iris both return to the normal viewing/focusing mode. Then came coupled, through the lens (TTL) metering in the middle-late 1960s. Coupled means that adjustments to the exposure time and aperture setting immediately can be made to match what the meter is reading as the appropriate amount of exposure for the light in the scene. The older Pentax thread mount auto-diaphram lenses didn't have any way for the body (and meter) to know what aperture was actually set on the lens so the original implementation of TTL metering on Pentax bodies had a switch which mechanically stopped the lens down and turned on the meter. This meant that the meter would read the actual amount of light that would fall on the film at the time of exposure, with the lens stopped down, and of course knew what the exposure time setting was through the position of the shutter speed selector. While simple and elegant, this scheme meant some limitations on metering range and a certain amount of inconvenience to the photographer since the viewfinder would go dark while metering was going on. The solution was open-aperture TTL metering. Open-aperture TTL metering requires more information be exchanged between body and lens. The body's meter must know both a) the maximum aperture of the lens and b) the position of the aperture ring in order to calculate the correct settings based on the light coming through the lens. This was implemented in the form of a mechanical follow cam and lever setup on the lens and body (maybe two ... I'm not sure about the absolute details here) that transferred this information from lens to body so that the metering system in the body would know what the light falling on the film *would be* at the time of exposure, when the auto-iris was stopped down. This mechanical information passing system ... a follow finger mechanically driven by the aperture ring and a following finger it coupled with in the body ... was in place in all bodies and lenses made from the introduction of the K-mount in the early 1970s until somewhere in the late 1990s/early 2000s. I don't recall the specifics of which bodies did what, but the follow cam system started to become obsolete with the introduction of the A series lenses and on certain bodies. What happens with those bodies is that the aperture ring is locked to the A position, which turns on electrical connection to the body. The body then knows the lens' maximum aperture and the iris is controlled mechanically by the body moving the iris actuating lever rather than through the system of dead-stops provided by the aperture ring position and the auto-iris mechanism. With the introduction of even more sophisticated lenses with even more electronic information passing to the body, the in-body follow cam and in-lens aperture finger were removed. This simplification reduces manufacturing cost and inventory costs. All the information regards lens aperture, both wide open and range, is provided to the body via electronics, the body still regulates the iris by physical movement of the iris actuating lever directly. Removing the follow cam system from the body has the side effect of eliminating information passing from lens to body regards maximum aperture and aperture ring position for all lenses older than the A-series. Without this information, lenses prior to the A-series cannot support open-aperture TTL metering. Yeah, it simulates the aperture, but to what purpose? Can someone explain it in REAL SIMPLE terms? For reference, I have the following Pentax cameras to use as examples I can look at it while I'm reading the explanation if any applies: K10D *ist-D PZ-1P LX Super Program K1000 Auto-110 Super -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.)
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:17 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: This seems to be an old inside joke on PDML, but I still don't understand what an aperture simulator is supposed to do. It's not a simulator. SLR cameras since the early 1960s have what is called an automatic diaphragm. What this means is that the iris in the lens is held open for best focusing and framing illumination in the viewfinder. At the time you release the shutter, the iris is automatically closed down to the taking aperture set on the lens, the mirror flips up, the exposure is made, then the mirror and the iris both return to the normal viewing/focusing mode. Then came coupled, through the lens (TTL) metering in the middle-late 1960s. Coupled means that adjustments to the exposure time and aperture setting immediately can be made to match what the meter is reading as the appropriate amount of exposure for the light in the scene. The older Pentax thread mount auto-diaphram lenses didn't have any way for the body (and meter) to know what aperture was actually set on the lens so the original implementation of TTL metering on Pentax bodies had a switch which mechanically stopped the lens down and turned on the meter. This meant that the meter would read the actual amount of light that would fall on the film at the time of exposure, with the lens stopped down, and of course knew what the exposure time setting was through the position of the shutter speed selector. While simple and elegant, this scheme meant some limitations on metering range and a certain amount of inconvenience to the photographer since the viewfinder would go dark while metering was going on. The solution was open-aperture TTL metering. Open-aperture TTL metering requires more information be exchanged between body and lens. The body's meter must know both a) the maximum aperture of the lens and b) the position of the aperture ring in order to calculate the correct settings based on the light coming through the lens. This was implemented in the form of a mechanical follow cam and lever setup on the lens and body (maybe two ... I'm not sure about the absolute details here) that transferred this information from lens to body so that the metering system in the body would know what the light falling on the film *would be* at the time of exposure, when the auto-iris was stopped down. This mechanical information passing system ... a follow finger mechanically driven by the aperture ring and a following finger it coupled with in the body ... was in place in all bodies and lenses made from the introduction of the K-mount in the early 1970s until somewhere in the late 1990s/early 2000s. I don't recall the specifics of which bodies did what, but the follow cam system started to become obsolete with the introduction of the A series lenses and on certain bodies. What happens with those bodies is that the aperture ring is locked to the A position, which turns on electrical connection to the body. The body then knows the lens' maximum aperture and the iris is controlled mechanically by the body moving the iris actuating lever rather than through the system of dead-stops provided by the aperture ring position and the auto-iris mechanism. With the introduction of even more sophisticated lenses with even more electronic information passing to the body, the in-body follow cam and in-lens aperture finger were removed. This simplification reduces manufacturing cost and inventory costs. All the information regards lens aperture, both wide open and range, is provided to the body via electronics, the body still regulates the iris by physical movement of the iris actuating lever directly. Removing the follow cam system from the body has the side effect of eliminating information passing from lens to body regards maximum aperture and aperture ring position for all lenses older than the A-series. Without this information, lenses prior to the A-series cannot support open-aperture TTL metering. Yeah, it simulates the aperture, but to what purpose? Can someone explain it in REAL SIMPLE terms? For reference, I have the following Pentax cameras to use as examples I can look at it while I'm reading the explanation if any applies: K10D *ist-D PZ-1P LX Super Program K1000 Auto-110 Super -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com One quibble only, the aperture simulator on K mount only communicates relative aperture (how far from max aperture the aperture ring is set to), not the maximum aperture of the lens. It just tells the body how far stopped down the lens is. maximum aperture communication is only available on A or later lenses
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.)
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: One quibble only, the aperture simulator on K mount only communicates relative aperture (how far from max aperture the aperture ring is set to), not the maximum aperture of the lens. It just tells the body how far stopped down the lens is. maximum aperture communication is only available on A or later lenses and is electric/electronicly communicated via the contact pattern of the A contacts and/or the digital signal pin. Nikon's original aperture coupling (the rabbit ears) did communicate maximum aperture, but that's a relic of it having been originally developed for the non-TTL metering system of the Nikon F's T prism which did need to know maximum and relative aperture. I'll take your word for it. As I said, I'm not entirely clear on the details of the implementation. I guess the what is maximum aperture information is no longer needed if you consider X amount of light hitting the sensor now, N-stops down will hit it at exposure time and calibrate the positions of the levers accordingly ... Nikon later did the same thing with the later AI system coupling, if I'm not mistaken. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.)
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: I guess the what is maximum aperture information is no longer needed if you consider X amount of light hitting the sensor now, N-stops down will hit it at exposure time and calibrate the positions of the levers accordingly ... Nikon later did the same thing with the later AI system coupling, if I'm not mistaken. -- Godfrey That's pretty much the case. Only non-TTL or Matrix metering needs to know max aperture. AI actually has maximum aperture communication via the Max Aperture Indexing Post, but it was rarely used, only the FA and F4 used it for ambient metering (It enables matrix metering) and the EM and FG use it for flash. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
2009/9/10 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: If it was coming this year, there would already be leakage. Plus, there are no lenses for full frame. I'll join Cotty for dinner if we see a full frame Pentax before 2011. Paul Hey, save me a spot at the table! --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.)
No that;s the stop down lever. The aperture simulator is a resistor and pin that transfers the set aperture on a lens to the camera body for wide open metering. Desjardins, Steve wrote: It was, essentially, a little doohickey inside the body end of the lens mount that pressed a tiny pin on the older lenses that would make the lens stop down to chosen f stop. It went away when Pentax ate from the tree of digital knowledge, but many still await its return. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:17 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.) From: Scott Loveless On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. This seems to be an old inside joke on PDML, but I still don't understand what an aperture simulator is supposed to do. Yeah, it simulates the aperture, but to what purpose? Can someone explain it in REAL SIMPLE terms? For reference, I have the following Pentax cameras to use as examples I can look at it while I'm reading the explanation if any applies: K10D *ist-D PZ-1P LX Super Program K1000 Auto-110 Super -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Aperture sumulator was (Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.)
Actually the camera doesn't need to know the maximum aperture of the lens. It only needs to know the current amount of light entering the lens at maximum aperture, and the offset from maximum. It's a very simple system. No K or M mount lens has any provision for telling the camera it's maximum aperture. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:17 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: This seems to be an old inside joke on PDML, but I still don't understand what an aperture simulator is supposed to do. It's not a simulator. SLR cameras since the early 1960s have what is called an automatic diaphragm. What this means is that the iris in the lens is held open for best focusing and framing illumination in the viewfinder. At the time you release the shutter, the iris is automatically closed down to the taking aperture set on the lens, the mirror flips up, the exposure is made, then the mirror and the iris both return to the normal viewing/focusing mode. Then came coupled, through the lens (TTL) metering in the middle-late 1960s. Coupled means that adjustments to the exposure time and aperture setting immediately can be made to match what the meter is reading as the appropriate amount of exposure for the light in the scene. The older Pentax thread mount auto-diaphram lenses didn't have any way for the body (and meter) to know what aperture was actually set on the lens so the original implementation of TTL metering on Pentax bodies had a switch which mechanically stopped the lens down and turned on the meter. This meant that the meter would read the actual amount of light that would fall on the film at the time of exposure, with the lens stopped down, and of course knew what the exposure time setting was through the position of the shutter speed selector. While simple and elegant, this scheme meant some limitations on metering range and a certain amount of inconvenience to the photographer since the viewfinder would go dark while metering was going on. The solution was open-aperture TTL metering. Open-aperture TTL metering requires more information be exchanged between body and lens. The body's meter must know both a) the maximum aperture of the lens and b) the position of the aperture ring in order to calculate the correct settings based on the light coming through the lens. This was implemented in the form of a mechanical follow cam and lever setup on the lens and body (maybe two ... I'm not sure about the absolute details here) that transferred this information from lens to body so that the metering system in the body would know what the light falling on the film *would be* at the time of exposure, when the auto-iris was stopped down. This mechanical information passing system ... a follow finger mechanically driven by the aperture ring and a following finger it coupled with in the body ... was in place in all bodies and lenses made from the introduction of the K-mount in the early 1970s until somewhere in the late 1990s/early 2000s. I don't recall the specifics of which bodies did what, but the follow cam system started to become obsolete with the introduction of the A series lenses and on certain bodies. What happens with those bodies is that the aperture ring is locked to the A position, which turns on electrical connection to the body. The body then knows the lens' maximum aperture and the iris is controlled mechanically by the body moving the iris actuating lever rather than through the system of dead-stops provided by the aperture ring position and the auto-iris mechanism. With the introduction of even more sophisticated lenses with even more electronic information passing to the body, the in-body follow cam and in-lens aperture finger were removed. This simplification reduces manufacturing cost and inventory costs. All the information regards lens aperture, both wide open and range, is provided to the body via electronics, the body still regulates the iris by physical movement of the iris actuating lever directly. Removing the follow cam system from the body has the side effect of eliminating information passing from lens to body regards maximum aperture and aperture ring position for all lenses older than the A-series. Without this information, lenses prior to the A-series cannot support open-aperture TTL metering. Yeah, it simulates the aperture, but to what purpose? Can someone explain it in REAL SIMPLE terms? For reference, I have the following Pentax cameras to use as examples I can look at it while I'm reading the explanation if any applies: K10D *ist-D PZ-1P LX Super Program K1000 Auto-110 Super -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly
Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
In this part I talk a little about IQ and then wrap it up. http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/09/pentax-k-7-review-part-3.html Cheers! -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:40:43PM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote: In this part I talk a little about IQ and then wrap it up. http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/09/pentax-k-7-review-part-3.html Thanks for the real life review. There are some features, and specs, of the K-7 I'd like over my K20, but I'm kind of glad I got the K20 when I did, because it'll be a while before I can afford a K-7, and it doesn't seem to be a huge leap in performance over the 20. I do remember, however, some higher up at Pentax talking about something with full frame levels of performance coming out this year. I wonder what that'll be, and when. Cheers! -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
If history is any indication, we probably won't see another top of the line Pentax for 18 months or so. Another camera this year would obviously put a damper on K7 sales. I'm sure Pentax is anxious to cover their investment with K7 sales. I believe what's been said is that full frame performance is possible in APS-C, and in a historical sense that's true. I would think that the K7 outperforms some previous generation full frame cameras. But realistically, advances in APS-C will always be countered by full frame advances. Nevertheless, today's best APS-C cameras deliver outstanding results that are more than adequate for almost any application. Paul On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:23 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:40:43PM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote: In this part I talk a little about IQ and then wrap it up. http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/09/pentax-k-7-review-part-3.html Thanks for the real life review. There are some features, and specs, of the K-7 I'd like over my K20, but I'm kind of glad I got the K20 when I did, because it'll be a while before I can afford a K-7, and it doesn't seem to be a huge leap in performance over the 20. I do remember, however, some higher up at Pentax talking about something with full frame levels of performance coming out this year. I wonder what that'll be, and when. Cheers! -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
paul stenquist wrote: If history is any indication, we probably won't see another top of the line Pentax for 18 months or so. Another camera this year would obviously put a damper on K7 sales. Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:42:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. My recollection was the hint that it would be an APS camera with full frame performance. The only thing I was able to find though was Rice High's translation of an interview: http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/03/interview-with-hoya-senior-official-on.html As responding to what was told in the Photokina last year for two new Pentax DSLRs to come, he (the HOYA official I mean, and will be referred to be as he thereafter) responded that the K200D replacement would still come at the end of this year whilst a DSLR in the same price range of the K20D would come this summer holidays. So the K-7 is in the price range of the K20, same list price at release. And it did come out in the summer. That means that what we have to look forward to is something a little down market from the K-7, for a lower price. -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
If it was coming this year, there would already be leakage. Plus, there are no lenses for full frame. I'll join Cotty for dinner if we see a full frame Pentax before 2011. Paul On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: paul stenquist wrote: If history is any indication, we probably won't see another top of the line Pentax for 18 months or so. Another camera this year would obviously put a damper on K7 sales. Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
On Sep 10, 2009, at 10:55 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:42:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. My recollection was the hint that it would be an APS camera with full frame performance. The only thing I was able to find though was Rice High's translation of an interview: http://ricehigh.blogspot.com/2009/03/interview-with-hoya-senior-official-on.html As responding to what was told in the Photokina last year for two new Pentax DSLRs to come, he (the HOYA official I mean, and will be referred to be as he thereafter) responded that the K200D replacement would still come at the end of this year whilst a DSLR in the same price range of the K20D would come this summer holidays. So the K-7 is in the price range of the K20, same list price at release. And it did come out in the summer. That means that what we have to look forward to is something a little down market from the K-7, for a lower price. That would be in keeping with Pentax strategy. But we have the K7D, and it's an excellent camera. Mine has already paid for itself a couple times over, and I'm loving it. Paul -- The first step is learning to take great photos, the second step is learning to throw away ones that are merely good. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:42:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless scripsit: On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. Well, assuming that it's an APS-C sensor, the obvious candidate is Samsung having got serious about the whole thing in terms of fab tech. There's a lot that could still be done, but which hasn't been on grounds of cost; if any of that stuff is being done, Pentax could come out with a ~2 kUSD APS-C K1 that has ~20 MPixels and superior performance. I wouldn't care to bet on that, but it doesn't seem impossible. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax K-7 review, part 3 - the final.
On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:15 PM, Graydon wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:42:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless scripsit: On 9/10/09, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Unless it's something much better than the K7, both in terms of higher performance and higher price bracket. My money's on Cotty NOT eating his hat. They'll bring back aperture simulators before we see a full frame SLR from Pentax. Well, assuming that it's an APS-C sensor, the obvious candidate is Samsung having got serious about the whole thing in terms of fab tech. There's a lot that could still be done, but which hasn't been on grounds of cost; if any of that stuff is being done, Pentax could come out with a ~2 kUSD APS-C K1 that has ~20 MPixels and superior performance. I wouldn't care to bet on that, but it doesn't seem impossible. I think that Pentax will end up somewhere around there, although probably not real soon. It certainly makes sense given their lens development program. Someone could step forward and own the high end of APS-C. Paul -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
I had a lot of time on my hands so I found this K-7 Review
Actually playing it straight here. I don't know how much I trust Trusted Reviews but it's one of the most positive Pentax Camera Reviews I've ever seen. http://www.trustedreviews.com/digital-cameras/review/2009/09/03/Pentax-K-7-Digital-SLR/p1 -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I had a lot of time on my hands so I found this K-7 Review
They gave the K10 and K20 flat-out raves, too... which isn't a bad or inaccurate thing, IMHO. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Sun, 9/6/09, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Actually playing it straight here. I don't know how much I trust Trusted Reviews but it's one of the most positive Pentax Camera Reviews I've ever seen. http://www.trustedreviews.com/digital-cameras/review/2009/09/03/Pentax-K-7-Digital-SLR/p1 -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
Classic but i could not finish reading it. My brain hurts. Dave On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:21 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Probably the best K-7 review yet.
This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
William Robb wrote: This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html Must normally write the instructions for the assembly of flat packed furniture. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
William Robb wrote: This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html Must normally write the instructions for the assembly of flat packed furniture. Malcolm It's definitely the camera for me. This is the real clincher: the addition of the distinguished attachment of a virgin Last Judgment button. I've been pestering camera manufacturers for one of those for years. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Fabulous! Note that while our good Roberts was translated to Speck, Mark Dimalanta gets away with Point. :-) Wonder which languages were involved in the translation roundtrip this time. :-) The original is here, btw: http://www.ok1000pentax.com/2009/05/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html Jostein 2009/5/22 William Robb war...@gmail.com: This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2009/5/22 Malcolm Smith malcolmsmi...@btinternet.com: Must normally write the instructions for the assembly of flat packed furniture. Hmmm... That would increase the likelihood of having a Swede involved... :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html William Robb OMG, that whole site is a goldmine. I hardly know where to swimmingly on account of plam a rare lasting contents. Thanks Mr Robb D -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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AlunFoto wrote: 2009/5/22 Malcolm Smith malcolmsmi...@btinternet.com: Must normally write the instructions for the assembly of flat packed furniture. Hmmm... That would increase the likelihood of having a Swede involved... :-) http://www.jonathancoulton.com/mp3/Ikea.mp3 :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:21 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html William Robb Apparently they had their translation programme set to prolix... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Seeing as we'll get to have a look-see at GFM, I'm sure we are all eager to try those balderdash buttons on the new K7. - Original Message - From: William Robb war...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 1:21 AM Subject: Probably the best K-7 review yet. This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
- Original Message - From: Christine Aguila Subject: Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet. Seeing as we'll get to have a look-see at GFM, I'm sure we are all eager to try those balderdash buttons on the new K7. With any luck, I might get to try one out this weekend.. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
I just want to sincerely thank you guys for finding that horrendous spam mash-up of my review. I'd never noticed that pictips.com site before, but it is grabbing all my blog posts and reconstituting them with gibberish, and this is quite maddening to see your own writing thrown through that blender. I've written the Whois contact for the site and asked them to remove anything they've grabbed from my blog (ok1000pentax.com), but I doubt I'm going to get a reply. They must have some sort of auto-harvester that does all this work for them while they go off and grab candy from babies. I can't imagine a human personally editing the sort of word salad they republish then going home to sleep peacefully at night. But weirder things are known to happen. Thanks again! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
Michael Gaudet wrote: I just want to sincerely thank you guys for finding that horrendous spam mash-up of my review. I'd never noticed that pictips.com site before, but it is grabbing all my blog posts and reconstituting them with gibberish, and this is quite maddening to see your own writing thrown through that blender. I've written the Whois contact for the site and asked them to remove anything they've grabbed from my blog (ok1000pentax.com), but I doubt I'm going to get a reply. They must have some sort of auto-harvester that does all this work for them while they go off and grab candy from babies. I can't imagine a human personally editing the sort of word salad they republish then going home to sleep peacefully at night. But weirder things are known to happen. Thanks again! damn, Michael, I came very close to writing you a note about a month ago to make you aware of that, but figured you already knew. Sorry about that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
From: William Robb war...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Christine Aguila Subject: Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet. Seeing as we'll get to have a look-see at GFM, I'm sure we are all eager to try those balderdash buttons on the new K7. With any luck, I might get to try one out this weekend.. Why you lucky, VW, you! ;-) Be sure to post the pics! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
- Original Message - From: Christine Aguila Subject: Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet. With any luck, I might get to try one out this weekend.. Why you lucky, VW, you! ;-) Be sure to post the pics! Cheers, Christine I expect if I am so lucky, it will be just a look and getting to handle the thing. I seriously doubt I'll be able to take sample images home with me, though if they allow it, I will, and if they don't slap me with an NDA, I'll certainly share images. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Michael Gaudet Subject: Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet. I just want to sincerely thank you guys for finding that horrendous spam mash-up of my review. I'd never noticed that pictips.com site before, but it is grabbing all my blog posts and reconstituting them with gibberish, and this is quite maddening to see your own writing thrown through that blender. What I'd like to know is how did you recognize your writing in there? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
- Original Message - From: William Robb war...@gmail.com - Original Message - From: Christine Aguila Subject: Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet. With any luck, I might get to try one out this weekend.. Why you lucky, VW, you! ;-) Be sure to post the pics! Cheers, Christine I expect if I am so lucky, it will be just a look and getting to handle the thing. I seriously doubt I'll be able to take sample images home with me, though if they allow it, I will, and if they don't slap me with an NDA, I'll certainly share images. Dear William, I'm sure you'll get slapped with an NDA, for you are surely a Naughty Dude All the time ;-). Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hell, there are probably literary journals you could publish this thing in. The good part is that no actual speaker of the English language would ever think this is anything but a bad yet funny translation. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Michael Gaudet Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:37 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet. I just want to sincerely thank you guys for finding that horrendous spam mash-up of my review. I'd never noticed that pictips.com site before, but it is grabbing all my blog posts and reconstituting them with gibberish, and this is quite maddening to see your own writing thrown through that blender. I've written the Whois contact for the site and asked them to remove anything they've grabbed from my blog (ok1000pentax.com), but I doubt I'm going to get a reply. They must have some sort of auto-harvester that does all this work for them while they go off and grab candy from babies. I can't imagine a human personally editing the sort of word salad they republish then going home to sleep peacefully at night. But weirder things are known to happen. Thanks again! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:4a16b8a6206411157447601! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I bet the Vatican will approve . . . Best Review EVER. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob W Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:10 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Probably the best K-7 review yet. William Robb wrote: This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html Must normally write the instructions for the assembly of flat packed furniture. Malcolm It's definitely the camera for me. This is the real clincher: the addition of the distinguished attachment of a virgin Last Judgment button. I've been pestering camera manufacturers for one of those for years. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:4a16504b51451752557460! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
Hey Bill... Even I did. :-) Jostein 2009/5/22 William Robb war...@gmail.com: - Original Message - From: Michael Gaudet Subject: Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet. I just want to sincerely thank you guys for finding that horrendous spam mash-up of my review. I'd never noticed that pictips.com site before, but it is grabbing all my blog posts and reconstituting them with gibberish, and this is quite maddening to see your own writing thrown through that blender. What I'd like to know is how did you recognize your writing in there? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What was it originally written in English then translated to Russian in Babblefish, then Google to Japanese then Babblefish again back to English? Bob W wrote: William Robb wrote: This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html Must normally write the instructions for the assembly of flat packed furniture. Malcolm It's definitely the camera for me. This is the real clincher: the addition of the distinguished attachment of a virgin Last Judgment button. I've been pestering camera manufacturers for one of those for years. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 07:40:15AM +0100, Malcolm Smith wrote: William Robb wrote: This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html Must normally write the instructions for the assembly of flat packed furniture. Oh, it's far to good to have happened accidentally. I sense a homage to Philip K. Dick, who in one of his novels (Galactic Pot Healer, perhaps) had protagonists deliberately trying to create this kind of mistranslation, although not on as monumental a scale. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
Just in case this message baffled you all as much it did me, I've spent the last couple of hours translating it: I want thank exactly you types sincerely to find this dreadful spam écraser-au-dessus of my revision. I' ? [d] n' never observed a not this area of pictips.com, but he seizes already my places blog and they build with the inconsistencies, and this is he rather irritating for qu' he knows your book that by means of this me long EUR is thrown. I' ? VE in writing the contact Whois for the area and that them for qu' it is asked; something they' takes; gone; ? VE have seized of blog my (ok1000pentax.com), but I' doubted; ? m. that qu' go; he takes an answer. One has qu' necessary; they have a certain type automatic machine [theristikis] that all these their work for tandis qu' does; they go far and seize the candy of the babies. I can' ? t considers a person who the type publishes salad of word personally that [anadimosieyoyn] vervolgens qu' they go to the house to sleep peacefully the night. But weirder them [pr Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Michael Gaudet Sent: 22 May 2009 15:37 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet. I just want to sincerely thank you guys for finding that horrendous spam mash-up of my review. I'd never noticed that pictips.com site before, but it is grabbing all my blog posts and reconstituting them with gibberish, and this is quite maddening to see your own writing thrown through that blender. I've written the Whois contact for the site and asked them to remove anything they've grabbed from my blog (ok1000pentax.com), but I doubt I'm going to get a reply. They must have some sort of auto-harvester that does all this work for them while they go off and grab candy from babies. I can't imagine a human personally editing the sort of word salad they republish then going home to sleep peacefully at night. But weirder things are known to happen. Thanks again! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: Just in case this message baffled you all as much it did me, I've spent the last couple of hours translating it: I want thank exactly you types sincerely to find this dreadful spam écraser-au-dessus of my revision. I' ? [d] n' never observed a not this area of pictips.com, but he seizes already my places blog and they build with the inconsistencies, and this is he rather irritating for qu' he knows your book that by means of this me long EUR is thrown. I' ? VE in writing the contact Whois for the area and that them for qu' it is asked; something they' takes; gone; ? VE have seized of blog my (ok1000pentax.com), but I' doubted; ? m. that qu' go; he takes an answer. One has qu' necessary; they have a certain type automatic machine [theristikis] that all these their work for tandis qu' does; they go far and seize the candy of the babies. I can' ? t considers a person who the type publishes salad of word personally that [anadimosieyoyn] vervolgens qu' they go to the house to sleep peacefully the night. But weirder them [pr Cheers, Bob I agree. weirder them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Michael Gaudet wrote: I just want to sincerely thank you guys for finding that horrendous spam mash-up of my review. I'd never noticed that pictips.com site before We're quite familiar with it. Have a look at the last quotation on the PDBL Photo Annual Page: http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/index.htm ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet.
Thanks Mr Robb MARK ! Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au Subject: Re: Probably the best K-7 review yet. William Robb wrote: This is absolutely classic. A must read. http://www.picstips.com/pentax/pentax-k-7-hands-on-preview.html William Robb OMG, that whole site is a goldmine. I hardly know where to swimmingly on account of plam a rare lasting contents. Thanks Mr Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
