Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 03:50:42 +0100, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 29, 2006, at 7:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I doubt that Pentax will release a RAW converter that can rival PSCS2 or some of the other software available. They could, if they wanted to tack on the cost of licensing a good RAW converter to the cost of the camera. I certainly don't want that -- I can spend that money separately on my own and get exactly what I desire. Of course they COULD. Paul said he doubted that they WILL, and the cost of doing so is obviously the reason that they won't, as you say. John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:38:46 +0100, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Forbes wrote: On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:52:37 +0100, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What software will be bundled with the K10D? Hot new RAW converter? Wish I were better equipped to know what to hope for. It's highly unlikely that any camera manufacturer is going to produce a better RAW convertor than those made by the likes of Adobe and Phase One, inter alia. So better to hope for something else. :-) Like an A-S (IS) system that works with old lenses, and full K/M usability. John Nikon has. Capture 4 produces better output than ACR or Capture One Pro do from the sam RAW file. But it's got UI and backend issues (Slow, Slow, Slow, and poor batch support). Canon's RAW software is as good as ACR. -Adam As I have no interest in these makes, I am not up to speed. But I am surprised you say that Nikon's and Canon's RAW convertors are better than P1 and ACR. Is this a general opinion, or your own? And if the latter, do you know all four programs well? Incidentally, I did say a better RAW convertor, by which I meant the whole program. Being Slow, Slow, Slow, rather cuts Nikon out of the picture. John -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
Exactly what I wanted. Thanks, Adam. Jack --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Identical. Both use ACR 3.x, Elements just doesn't offer the advanced options. Lightroom is the only current Adobe app that doesn't use ACR 3.x, but expect its conversion routines to form the core for ACR 4.x, they're improved from ACR 3.x. -Adam Jack Davis wrote: How would you rate E4's RAW converter as compared to that of CS2? I was actually wondering if Pentax might chose to attempt a RAW rescue of what is obviously a generally held crap factor rating. Jack --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Davis wrote: What software will be bundled with the K10D? Hot new RAW converter? Wish I were better equipped to know what to hope for. Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Elements 4 hopefully. None of the crap pentax is accusing of being a RAW converter. -Adam __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
I want to believe it, especially since it is to include 35mm. Jack --- graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since they replaced their entire lens line with the M series (that was what? 30 lenses?)in 1977, I find that statement hard to believe. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Paul Stenquist wrote: Based on press releases, Pentax will be introducing more lenses in the next year than they have ever brought to market in that short a time. Paul On Apr 29, 2006, at 8:45 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Faint hope for sure, but more 35mm lens introductions would satisfy a fantasy. Jack --- John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:52:37 +0100, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What software will be bundled with the K10D? Hot new RAW converter? Wish I were better equipped to know what to hope for. It's highly unlikely that any camera manufacturer is going to produce a better RAW convertor than those made by the likes of Adobe and Phase One, inter alia. So better to hope for something else. :-) Like an A-S (IS) system that works with old lenses, and full K/M usability. John Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
All I would have to do then is decide exactly what I desire. Tall order. Jack --- Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 29, 2006, at 7:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I doubt that Pentax will release a RAW converter that can rival PSCS2 or some of the other software available. They could, if they wanted to tack on the cost of licensing a good RAW converter to the cost of the camera. I certainly don't want that -- I can spend that money separately on my own and get exactly what I desire. -Aaron __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
The new lenses that have been announced are not suited to full frame 35mm. They are DA lenses. On Apr 30, 2006, at 8:56 AM, Jack Davis wrote: I want to believe it, especially since it is to include 35mm. Jack --- graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since they replaced their entire lens line with the M series (that was what? 30 lenses?)in 1977, I find that statement hard to believe. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Paul Stenquist wrote: Based on press releases, Pentax will be introducing more lenses in the next year than they have ever brought to market in that short a time. Paul On Apr 29, 2006, at 8:45 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Faint hope for sure, but more 35mm lens introductions would satisfy a fantasy. Jack --- John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:52:37 +0100, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What software will be bundled with the K10D? Hot new RAW converter? Wish I were better equipped to know what to hope for. It's highly unlikely that any camera manufacturer is going to produce a better RAW convertor than those made by the likes of Adobe and Phase One, inter alia. So better to hope for something else. :-) Like an A-S (IS) system that works with old lenses, and full K/M usability. John Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
John Forbes wrote: On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:38:46 +0100, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Forbes wrote: On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:52:37 +0100, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What software will be bundled with the K10D? Hot new RAW converter? Wish I were better equipped to know what to hope for. It's highly unlikely that any camera manufacturer is going to produce a better RAW convertor than those made by the likes of Adobe and Phase One, inter alia. So better to hope for something else. :-) Like an A-S (IS) system that works with old lenses, and full K/M usability. John Nikon has. Capture 4 produces better output than ACR or Capture One Pro do from the sam RAW file. But it's got UI and backend issues (Slow, Slow, Slow, and poor batch support). Canon's RAW software is as good as ACR. -Adam As I have no interest in these makes, I am not up to speed. But I am surprised you say that Nikon's and Canon's RAW convertors are better than P1 and ACR. Is this a general opinion, or your own? And if the latter, do you know all four programs well? Incidentally, I did say a better RAW convertor, by which I meant the whole program. Being Slow, Slow, Slow, rather cuts Nikon out of the picture. John Nikon's is better, Canon's is equal. General opinion, not mine (I find ACR quit adequate quality-wise for anything I've shot in RAW, be it on an *istD, 20D or D50) -Adam
K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
What software will be bundled with the K10D? Hot new RAW converter? Wish I were better equipped to know what to hope for. Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
Jack Davis wrote: What software will be bundled with the K10D? Hot new RAW converter? Wish I were better equipped to know what to hope for. Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Elements 4 hopefully. None of the crap pentax is accusing of being a RAW converter. -Adam
Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
I doubt that Pentax will release a RAW converter that can rival PSCS2 or some of the other software available. Settle for hardware and be happy. Paul On Apr 29, 2006, at 6:52 PM, Jack dou Davis wrote: What software will be bundled with the K10D? Hot new RAW converter? Wish I were better equipped to know what to hope for. Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
Hi Jack ... any suggestions would be pure speculation. Heck, the details of the camera aren't even finalized and published. However, I doubt you'll get much better or much more then is now available. Shel [Original Message] From: Jack Davis What software will be bundled with the K10D? Hot new RAW converter? Wish I were better equipped to know what to hope for. Jack
Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:52:37 +0100, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What software will be bundled with the K10D? Hot new RAW converter? Wish I were better equipped to know what to hope for. It's highly unlikely that any camera manufacturer is going to produce a better RAW convertor than those made by the likes of Adobe and Phase One, inter alia. So better to hope for something else. :-) Like an A-S (IS) system that works with old lenses, and full K/M usability. John Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/
Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
How would you rate E4's RAW converter as compared to that of CS2? I was actually wondering if Pentax might chose to attempt a RAW rescue of what is obviously a generally held crap factor rating. Jack --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Davis wrote: What software will be bundled with the K10D? Hot new RAW converter? Wish I were better equipped to know what to hope for. Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Elements 4 hopefully. None of the crap pentax is accusing of being a RAW converter. -Adam __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
Faint hope for sure, but more 35mm lens introductions would satisfy a fantasy. Jack --- John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:52:37 +0100, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What software will be bundled with the K10D? Hot new RAW converter? Wish I were better equipped to know what to hope for. It's highly unlikely that any camera manufacturer is going to produce a better RAW convertor than those made by the likes of Adobe and Phase One, inter alia. So better to hope for something else. :-) Like an A-S (IS) system that works with old lenses, and full K/M usability. John Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
Based on press releases, Pentax will be introducing more lenses in the next year than they have ever brought to market in that short a time. Paul On Apr 29, 2006, at 8:45 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Faint hope for sure, but more 35mm lens introductions would satisfy a fantasy. Jack --- John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:52:37 +0100, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What software will be bundled with the K10D? Hot new RAW converter? Wish I were better equipped to know what to hope for. It's highly unlikely that any camera manufacturer is going to produce a better RAW convertor than those made by the likes of Adobe and Phase One, inter alia. So better to hope for something else. :-) Like an A-S (IS) system that works with old lenses, and full K/M usability. John Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
Thanks, for the info, Paul. Jack --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on press releases, Pentax will be introducing more lenses in the next year than they have ever brought to market in that short a time. Paul On Apr 29, 2006, at 8:45 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Faint hope for sure, but more 35mm lens introductions would satisfy a fantasy. Jack --- John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:52:37 +0100, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What software will be bundled with the K10D? Hot new RAW converter? Wish I were better equipped to know what to hope for. It's highly unlikely that any camera manufacturer is going to produce a better RAW convertor than those made by the likes of Adobe and Phase One, inter alia. So better to hope for something else. :-) Like an A-S (IS) system that works with old lenses, and full K/M usability. John Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
Identical. Both use ACR 3.x, Elements just doesn't offer the advanced options. Lightroom is the only current Adobe app that doesn't use ACR 3.x, but expect its conversion routines to form the core for ACR 4.x, they're improved from ACR 3.x. -Adam Jack Davis wrote: How would you rate E4's RAW converter as compared to that of CS2? I was actually wondering if Pentax might chose to attempt a RAW rescue of what is obviously a generally held crap factor rating. Jack --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Davis wrote: What software will be bundled with the K10D? Hot new RAW converter? Wish I were better equipped to know what to hope for. Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Elements 4 hopefully. None of the crap pentax is accusing of being a RAW converter. -Adam __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
John Forbes wrote: On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:52:37 +0100, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What software will be bundled with the K10D? Hot new RAW converter? Wish I were better equipped to know what to hope for. It's highly unlikely that any camera manufacturer is going to produce a better RAW convertor than those made by the likes of Adobe and Phase One, inter alia. So better to hope for something else. :-) Like an A-S (IS) system that works with old lenses, and full K/M usability. John Nikon has. Capture 4 produces better output than ACR or Capture One Pro do from the sam RAW file. But it's got UI and backend issues (Slow, Slow, Slow, and poor batch support). Canon's RAW software is as good as ACR. -Adam
Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
Since they replaced their entire lens line with the M series (that was what? 30 lenses?)in 1977, I find that statement hard to believe. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Paul Stenquist wrote: Based on press releases, Pentax will be introducing more lenses in the next year than they have ever brought to market in that short a time. Paul On Apr 29, 2006, at 8:45 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Faint hope for sure, but more 35mm lens introductions would satisfy a fantasy. Jack --- John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:52:37 +0100, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What software will be bundled with the K10D? Hot new RAW converter? Wish I were better equipped to know what to hope for. It's highly unlikely that any camera manufacturer is going to produce a better RAW convertor than those made by the likes of Adobe and Phase One, inter alia. So better to hope for something else. :-) Like an A-S (IS) system that works with old lenses, and full K/M usability. John Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: K10D Bundle? (2nd try)
On Apr 29, 2006, at 7:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I doubt that Pentax will release a RAW converter that can rival PSCS2 or some of the other software available. They could, if they wanted to tack on the cost of licensing a good RAW converter to the cost of the camera. I certainly don't want that -- I can spend that money separately on my own and get exactly what I desire. -Aaron
