Re: K10d resale value
I do understand that they wanted to encourage new sales, but I still think it would have been helpful if they'd included backwards compatibility. Even if the astro-tracing wouldn't work, being able to add GPS coordinates to EXIF would be useful. On 4/21/2014 11:30 AM, Darren Addy wrote: I had the O-GPS1 and it can be a fussy little device. Precise calibration of the O-GPS1 works (usually) if preceded by the sacrifice of a chicken although occasionally a goat is required. It works better for wide focal length lenses (Milky Way shots) than anything else, and the actual tracking time is only a fraction of what the camera tells you is possible. Still, it was enough to get me excited about Astrophotography and I sold it to fund a more robust solution. It is an ingenious device, but I understand why they didn't bother to add support for much earlier cameras. They want to encourage new sales. On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:14 AM, John Sessoms wrote: On 4/19/2014 7:13 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Stephen Migol is still doing great astrophotography with the K10D and, looking at his other equipment, I'm sure he could upgrade if he wanted to: http://www.astrobin.com/users/smigol/ In short, I think the laws of supply & demand might make the K10D as popular, or more, than the later K20D - even though it is older and fewer megapixels. It would be helpful if that GPS thing that uses the sensor shift for astro-tracing (is that the right word?) had been backwards compatible with the K10D & K20D. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10d resale value
I had the O-GPS1 and it can be a fussy little device. Precise calibration of the O-GPS1 works (usually) if preceded by the sacrifice of a chicken although occasionally a goat is required. It works better for wide focal length lenses (Milky Way shots) than anything else, and the actual tracking time is only a fraction of what the camera tells you is possible. Still, it was enough to get me excited about Astrophotography and I sold it to fund a more robust solution. It is an ingenious device, but I understand why they didn't bother to add support for much earlier cameras. They want to encourage new sales. On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:14 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > On 4/19/2014 7:13 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > >> Stephen Migol is still doing great astrophotography with the K10D and, >> looking at his other equipment, I'm sure he could upgrade if he wanted >> to: >> http://www.astrobin.com/users/smigol/ >> >> In short, I think the laws of supply & demand might make the K10D as >> popular, or more, than the later K20D - even though it is older and >> fewer megapixels. >> > > It would be helpful if that GPS thing that uses the sensor shift for > astro-tracing (is that the right word?) had been backwards compatible with > the K10D & K20D. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs look like photographs. ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10d resale value
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:14 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > It would be helpful if that GPS thing that uses the sensor shift for > astro-tracing (is that the right word?) had been backwards compatible with > the K10D & K20D. The K10D and K20D didn't have sensor rotation as part of the SR system, so it wouldn't have worked as well for astrophotography on those cameras. (The motion of the stars on the sky varies from pure rotation at the celestial poles to pure translation at the celestial equator.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10d resale value
On 4/19/2014 7:13 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Stephen Migol is still doing great astrophotography with the K10D and, looking at his other equipment, I'm sure he could upgrade if he wanted to: http://www.astrobin.com/users/smigol/ In short, I think the laws of supply & demand might make the K10D as popular, or more, than the later K20D - even though it is older and fewer megapixels. It would be helpful if that GPS thing that uses the sensor shift for astro-tracing (is that the right word?) had been backwards compatible with the K10D & K20D. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10d resale value
I stand corrected. Thanks Brian. On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > Quoting Darren Addy : > >> I haven't looked into the ebay selling values of the K20D, but it >> doesn't surprise me that the K10D might be bringing more these days. >> We tend to think in terms of age and what Pentax marketing pushed at >> us, and the K20D was considered a flagship upgrade. But it was also >> Pentax leaving the Sony sensor world (Remember, the K10D was a Sony >> CCD) and entering the Samsung CMOS world with the K200D and the K20D. >> Pentax didn't stay there very long and went back to the new Sony >> sensor with the A/D processor each sensor column with the K-x and >> never went back. > > > > A minor point. I think you'll find the K200D had the same Sony CCD as the > K10D but in a lower-spec body. AFIK, the only Pentax DSLRs with Samsung > sensors were the K20D and K-7. > > > Cheers > > Brian > > ++ > Brian Walters > Western Sydney Australia > http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ > > > >> >> I might surprise you to know that right now, today, the K10D is the >> 4th most popular camera, in terms of photos uploaded, to Flickr. (The >> K-3 is not yet on the list, so the K10D is possibly 5th). But there >> are 104 average daily users. The K20D has 86 average users and is 8th >> (at worst 9th). >> >> Only the K-x, the K-30, and the K-5 have more daily users uploading to >> Flickr. >> >> Stephen Migol is still doing great astrophotography with the K10D and, >> looking at his other equipment, I'm sure he could upgrade if he wanted >> to: >> http://www.astrobin.com/users/smigol/ >> >> In short, I think the laws of supply & demand might make the K10D as >> popular, or more, than the later K20D - even though it is older and >> fewer megapixels. >> >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs look like photographs. ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10d resale value
Quoting Darren Addy : I haven't looked into the ebay selling values of the K20D, but it doesn't surprise me that the K10D might be bringing more these days. We tend to think in terms of age and what Pentax marketing pushed at us, and the K20D was considered a flagship upgrade. But it was also Pentax leaving the Sony sensor world (Remember, the K10D was a Sony CCD) and entering the Samsung CMOS world with the K200D and the K20D. Pentax didn't stay there very long and went back to the new Sony sensor with the A/D processor each sensor column with the K-x and never went back. A minor point. I think you'll find the K200D had the same Sony CCD as the K10D but in a lower-spec body. AFIK, the only Pentax DSLRs with Samsung sensors were the K20D and K-7. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ I might surprise you to know that right now, today, the K10D is the 4th most popular camera, in terms of photos uploaded, to Flickr. (The K-3 is not yet on the list, so the K10D is possibly 5th). But there are 104 average daily users. The K20D has 86 average users and is 8th (at worst 9th). Only the K-x, the K-30, and the K-5 have more daily users uploading to Flickr. Stephen Migol is still doing great astrophotography with the K10D and, looking at his other equipment, I'm sure he could upgrade if he wanted to: http://www.astrobin.com/users/smigol/ In short, I think the laws of supply & demand might make the K10D as popular, or more, than the later K20D - even though it is older and fewer megapixels. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10d resale value
> > Stephen Migol is still doing great astrophotography with the K10D and, > looking at his other equipment, I'm sure he could upgrade if he wanted > to: > http://www.astrobin.com/users/smigol/ Gorgeous astrophotography. The K20D is awful for astrophotography. I never thought of buying a K10D for that purpose. I bought an old Nikon D200, instead (same sensor). It is very good for astrophotography. --- Steven Sharpe - The Office Gallery d...@eastlink.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10d resale value
I haven't looked into the ebay selling values of the K20D, but it doesn't surprise me that the K10D might be bringing more these days. We tend to think in terms of age and what Pentax marketing pushed at us, and the K20D was considered a flagship upgrade. But it was also Pentax leaving the Sony sensor world (Remember, the K10D was a Sony CCD) and entering the Samsung CMOS world with the K200D and the K20D. Pentax didn't stay there very long and went back to the new Sony sensor with the A/D processor each sensor column with the K-x and never went back. I might surprise you to know that right now, today, the K10D is the 4th most popular camera, in terms of photos uploaded, to Flickr. (The K-3 is not yet on the list, so the K10D is possibly 5th). But there are 104 average daily users. The K20D has 86 average users and is 8th (at worst 9th). Only the K-x, the K-30, and the K-5 have more daily users uploading to Flickr. Stephen Migol is still doing great astrophotography with the K10D and, looking at his other equipment, I'm sure he could upgrade if he wanted to: http://www.astrobin.com/users/smigol/ In short, I think the laws of supply & demand might make the K10D as popular, or more, than the later K20D - even though it is older and fewer megapixels. On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Tim Bray wrote: > I’m trying to sell a K20 and I’ll be happy to get $175, may well have > to come down some. > > On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: >> I wouldn't spend more than $150-175. Used K-7's are roughly $250 right >> now. If its pretty minty, you might get a bit more, but I wouldn't >> expect much. >> >> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 11:38 AM, P.J. Alling >> wrote: >>> Check the prices at KEH, the have a K10D in Bargain condition for $144 US >>> right now. I think they offer a 90 day warranty so figure out what you >>> think that's worth and subtract accordingly. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/19/2014 9:46 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Looking at ebay any were from 175 to 460, what would be a fair resale value on a gently used under 10K clicks Dave >>> >>> >>> -- >>> A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the >>> crazy, crazier. >>> >>> - H.L.Mencken >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs look like photographs. ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10d resale value
I’m trying to sell a K20 and I’ll be happy to get $175, may well have to come down some. On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: > I wouldn't spend more than $150-175. Used K-7's are roughly $250 right > now. If its pretty minty, you might get a bit more, but I wouldn't > expect much. > > On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 11:38 AM, P.J. Alling > wrote: >> Check the prices at KEH, the have a K10D in Bargain condition for $144 US >> right now. I think they offer a 90 day warranty so figure out what you >> think that's worth and subtract accordingly. >> >> >> >> On 4/19/2014 9:46 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >>> >>> Looking at ebay any were from 175 to 460, what would be a fair resale >>> value on a gently used under 10K clicks >>> >>> Dave >>> >> >> >> -- >> A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the >> crazy, crazier. >> >> - H.L.Mencken >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10d resale value
I wouldn't spend more than $150-175. Used K-7's are roughly $250 right now. If its pretty minty, you might get a bit more, but I wouldn't expect much. On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 11:38 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: > Check the prices at KEH, the have a K10D in Bargain condition for $144 US > right now. I think they offer a 90 day warranty so figure out what you > think that's worth and subtract accordingly. > > > > On 4/19/2014 9:46 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >> >> Looking at ebay any were from 175 to 460, what would be a fair resale >> value on a gently used under 10K clicks >> >> Dave >> > > > -- > A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the > crazy, crazier. > > - H.L.Mencken > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10d resale value
Check the prices at KEH, the have a K10D in Bargain condition for $144 US right now. I think they offer a 90 day warranty so figure out what you think that's worth and subtract accordingly. On 4/19/2014 9:46 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Looking at ebay any were from 175 to 460, what would be a fair resale value on a gently used under 10K clicks Dave -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10d resale value
On Saturday morning I see a BGN K10D w/battery & charger on KEH for $144.00 So, yeah, ask $225 and if it doesn't sell, lower the price until it does sell. On 4/19/2014 10:01 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Asking prices on eBay are irrelevant. You need to look at the SOLD prices. Are you selling the body alone (not with kit lens)? The more of the original accessories, body cap, charger, etc and box you have the better if you want the top end price. I don't see many people list the number of clicks, but maybe people ask the question outside the ad description. Top end for a body seems to be about $225. If the grip is included it will bring top end prices. Interestingly, KEH has *none* in inventory. It seems to still be a fairly sought-after Pentax body, considering its age. Good luck with your sale! On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 8:46 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Looking at ebay any were from 175 to 460, what would be a fair resale value on a gently used under 10K clicks Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K10d resale value
Asking prices on eBay are irrelevant. You need to look at the SOLD prices. Are you selling the body alone (not with kit lens)? The more of the original accessories, body cap, charger, etc and box you have the better if you want the top end price. I don't see many people list the number of clicks, but maybe people ask the question outside the ad description. Top end for a body seems to be about $225. If the grip is included it will bring top end prices. Interestingly, KEH has *none* in inventory. It seems to still be a fairly sought-after Pentax body, considering its age. Good luck with your sale! On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 8:46 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > Looking at ebay any were from 175 to 460, what would be a fair resale > value on a gently used under 10K clicks > > Dave > > -- > Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > York Region, Ontario, Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs look like photographs. ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K10d resale value
Looking at ebay any were from 175 to 460, what would be a fair resale value on a gently used under 10K clicks Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
