Kodak discontinues HIE and a bunch of Ektachrome
Dated November 2. http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/discontinuedNotice.jhtml?id=0.2.26.14.25&lc=en http://tinyurl.com/22aq9o I don't use the slide films they're discontinuing, but the HIE kinda hurts. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kodak discontinues HIE and a bunch of Ektachrome
Well, that sucks, but it's not unexpected. Kodak is run by the best available MBAs after all. Scott Loveless wrote: > Dated November 2. > http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/discontinuedNotice.jhtml?id=0.2.26.14.25&lc=en > > http://tinyurl.com/22aq9o > > I don't use the slide films they're discontinuing, but the HIE kinda hurts. > > -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kodak discontinues HIE and a bunch of Ektachrome
From that it looks like it is being replaced, not discontinued. Of course, I am aware that that is only a distinction if you love one of those films. Scott Loveless wrote: > Dated November 2. > http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/discontinuedNotice.jhtml?id=0.2.26.14.25&lc=en > > http://tinyurl.com/22aq9o > > I don't use the slide films they're discontinuing, but the HIE kinda hurts. > -- Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kodak discontinues HIE and a bunch of Ektachrome
No, they're being discontinued. The 'Replacements' are all current films that have been on the market for several years. That said, Kodak was a little oversupplied with ~ISO100 slide films (IIRC there are 3 remaining in 120 and 4 in 35mm). -Adam graywolf wrote: > From that it looks like it is being replaced, not discontinued. Of course, I > am > aware that that is only a distinction if you love one of those films. > > > Scott Loveless wrote: >> Dated November 2. >> http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/discontinuedNotice.jhtml?id=0.2.26.14.25&lc=en >> >> http://tinyurl.com/22aq9o >> >> I don't use the slide films they're discontinuing, but the HIE kinda hurts. >> > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kodak discontinues HIE and a bunch of Ektachrome
So it is the damned MBA's who want to make the corporation profitable? I thought it was because digital capture is rapidly replacing transparency film. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I switched to Fuji slide film years ago, but I will miss HIE. BTW, P.J. spells his last name "O'Rourke" - thought you would like to know :-) Ed. On Nov 9, 2007 12:14 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, that sucks, but it's not unexpected. Kodak is run by the best > available MBAs after all. > > Scott Loveless wrote: > > Dated November 2. > > http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/discontinuedNotice.jhtml?id=0.2.26.14.25&lc=en > > > > http://tinyurl.com/22aq9o > > > > I don't use the slide films they're discontinuing, but the HIE kinda hurts. > > > > > > > -- > The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the > difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football > team. > > -- P. J. O'Roark > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kodak discontinues HIE and a bunch of Ektachrome
Kodak has been losing most of its money pursuing the no-profit and highly competitive P&S digital market rather than supporting their cash cow (Film, which is solid, if diminished) and the actually profitable DSLR market. _Adam Ed Matthew wrote: > So it is the damned MBA's who want to make the corporation profitable? > I thought it was because digital capture is rapidly replacing > transparency film. Thanks for clearing that up for me. > > I switched to Fuji slide film years ago, but I will miss HIE. > > BTW, P.J. spells his last name "O'Rourke" - thought you would like to know :-) > > Ed. > > > > On Nov 9, 2007 12:14 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Well, that sucks, but it's not unexpected. Kodak is run by the best >> available MBAs after all. >> >> Scott Loveless wrote: >>> Dated November 2. >>> http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/discontinuedNotice.jhtml?id=0.2.26.14.25&lc=en >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/22aq9o >>> >>> I don't use the slide films they're discontinuing, but the HIE kinda hurts. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the >> difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football >> team. >> >> -- P. J. O'Roark >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kodak discontinues HIE and a bunch of Ektachrome
It is because MBAs use esoteric methods to come to the conclusion that short term profits, (a 5 year time horizon usually), drive long term goals. This is an example of that kind of thinking. If you're an MBA, I'd like to say I'm sorry if you're offended, but I'm not. Since I cut an pasted the quote from someone else's web site, I don't really care that much. It will be changing some time soon anyway. Probably by another O'Roarke quote but I've got my eye on one by "Throup". This is after all a mailing list. How much care should one give it? Ed Matthew wrote: > So it is the damned MBA's who want to make the corporation profitable? > I thought it was because digital capture is rapidly replacing > transparency film. Thanks for clearing that up for me. > > I switched to Fuji slide film years ago, but I will miss HIE. > > BTW, P.J. spells his last name "O'Rourke" - thought you would like to know :-) > > Ed. > > > > On Nov 9, 2007 12:14 PM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Well, that sucks, but it's not unexpected. Kodak is run by the best >> available MBAs after all. >> >> Scott Loveless wrote: >> >>> Dated November 2. >>> http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/discontinuedNotice.jhtml?id=0.2.26.14.25&lc=en >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/22aq9o >>> >>> I don't use the slide films they're discontinuing, but the HIE kinda hurts. >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the >> difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football >> team. >> >> -- P. J. O'Roark >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> > > -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kodak discontinues HIE and a bunch of Ektachrome
On Nov 9, 2007, at 8:29 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: > Dated November 2. > http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/ > discontinuedNotice.jhtml?id=0.2.26.14.25&lc=en > > http://tinyurl.com/22aq9o > > I don't use the slide films they're discontinuing, but the HIE > kinda hurts. Pontificating on the notion of who's to blame seems such a waste of time. MBAs notwithstanding, the answer is all of us. If film was still profitable, Kodak would be expanding its offerings. It is us, the collective mass of all who do photography in whatever form, who have told Kodak what is profitable by voting with our wallets. Film has lost the incumbent seat it held for 100 years. Newer capture media has taken its place. Film is dead. Long live film. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Kodak discontinues HIE and a bunch of Ektachrome
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Nov 9, 2007, at 8:29 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: > >> Dated November 2. >> http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/ >> discontinuedNotice.jhtml?id=0.2.26.14.25&lc=en >> >> http://tinyurl.com/22aq9o >> >> I don't use the slide films they're discontinuing, but the HIE >> kinda hurts. > > Pontificating on the notion of who's to blame seems such a waste of > time. MBAs notwithstanding, the answer is all of us. If film was > still profitable, Kodak would be expanding its offerings. It is us, > the collective mass of all who do photography in whatever form, who > have told Kodak what is profitable by voting with our wallets. > > Film has lost the incumbent seat it held for 100 years. Newer capture > media has taken its place. Film is dead. Long live film. > > Godfrey > Film certainly is still profitable, at least for Fuji and Ilford, as well as the smaller makers. It's not the dominant choice anymore. But Kodak has done everything possible to drive film users away, with its public statements as well as its handling of a number of products (including two which were unique to Kodak. Those being Tech Pan and HIE). As Kodak has made clear that they don't value film user's business, said users have moved over to Fuji, Ilford and others for their work. And the fact that many of Fuji's films in particular are clearly superior in performance makes this all the easier. With HIE dead, the only reason to shoot Kodak is the Portra NC's and Tri-X. And the latter only for traditionalists. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
