Re: Last night I dreamed about Mark Roberts..
I did not know Norris was a red-head... Personally, I think Mark looks like a leprechaun. ann sanfedele wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: ann sanfedele wrote: Then I turned on the Tv (watching old movies and tv shows is what I need to fall asleep) and an old WALKER, TEXAS RANGER show came on. It starred Chuck Norris. I kept thinking how much Norris looked like someone I knew -- but who was it? Then it hit me... and I dozed off a while later... don't remember seeing the end of the show. A guy at a sub shop once gave me a discount on my sandwich because he thought I resembled Chuck Norris. and he was right! Strange but true. We should get you into one of those celebrity lookalike things! ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Grasshopper? How juvenile. Two accidents in four years at an airport that is within half a mile of skyscrapers is two too many. As a longtime Chicago resident, I'm very familiar with Meigs' reputation. Several local pilots I knew would have nothing to do with it. Paul Paul Sorenson wrote: Not entirely true, Grasshopper. A search of the NTSB General Aviation accident statistics for the four years 1998 - 2001 (the latest I was able to find) indicated only two aviation accidents in the Chicago area. One was clearly pilot error - the pilot was attempting to take off using less than full power; the other was of an indeterminate cause but runway length was more than adequate for the aircraft involved, a Beech King Air 200. As for the winds, you simply had to be competent at crosswind take-offs and landings and know the limitations of your piloting skills and the aircraft you're flying. *Most* aviation accidents are attributable to pilot error; errors in judgment and attempting to continue flight beyond the limits of your skills as an aviator. If that happens to occur during the take-off or landing phase of your flight, you can't really blame the airport. -p Aviation, to an even greater extent than the sea, is terribly unforgiving of any incapacity, carelessness, or neglect. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course Meigs was super dangerous. I think the accident rate was double the norm due to short runways and high winds. And it was a security nightmare. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Besides that, the proper way to close down an airport is to provide notice that it is to be closed by a particular date. Not having ditches dug across the runway in the middle of the night... Paul Sorenson wrote: Not entirely true, Grasshopper. A search of the NTSB General Aviation accident statistics for the four years 1998 - 2001 (the latest I was able to find) indicated only two aviation accidents in the Chicago area. One was clearly pilot error - the pilot was attempting to take off using less than full power; the other was of an indeterminate cause but runway length was more than adequate for the aircraft involved, a Beech King Air 200. As for the winds, you simply had to be competent at crosswind take-offs and landings and know the limitations of your piloting skills and the aircraft you're flying. *Most* aviation accidents are attributable to pilot error; errors in judgment and attempting to continue flight beyond the limits of your skills as an aviator. If that happens to occur during the take-off or landing phase of your flight, you can't really blame the airport. -p Aviation, to an even greater extent than the sea, is terribly unforgiving of any incapacity, carelessness, or neglect. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course Meigs was super dangerous. I think the accident rate was double the norm due to short runways and high winds. And it was a security nightmare. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Last night I dreamed about Mark Roberts..
Interspersed... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grasshopper? How juvenile. Not a Kung Fu fan, huh? Sit back, have another cup of coffee and don't get your feathers ruffled at my feeble attempt at humor. Two accidents in four years at an airport that is within half a mile of skyscrapers is two too many. Both of these accidents occurred on the ground, not in flight. I doubt they would have been able to taxi to any of these skyscrapers to do any damage. As a longtime Chicago resident, I'm very familiar with Meigs' reputation. As a longtime professional pilot so am I... Several local pilots I knew would have nothing to do with it. Apparently they were intelligent pilots and knew their limitations. Many pilots of single engine aircraft didn't like to fly into Meigs because the traffic pattern and approaches required that you spend a lot of time over Lake Michigan regardless of whether you were using runway 18 or 36. Approaching and departing traffic, whether single or multi-engine, was *never* routed over the city. -p Paul Paul Sorenson wrote: Not entirely true, Grasshopper. A search of the NTSB General Aviation accident statistics for the four years 1998 - 2001 (the latest I was able to find) indicated only two aviation accidents in the Chicago area. One was clearly pilot error - the pilot was attempting to take off using less than full power; the other was of an indeterminate cause but runway length was more than adequate for the aircraft involved, a Beech King Air 200. As for the winds, you simply had to be competent at crosswind take-offs and landings and know the limitations of your piloting skills and the aircraft you're flying. *Most* aviation accidents are attributable to pilot error; errors in judgment and attempting to continue flight beyond the limits of your skills as an aviator. If that happens to occur during the take-off or landing phase of your flight, you can't really blame the airport. -p Aviation, to an even greater extent than the sea, is terribly unforgiving of any incapacity, carelessness, or neglect. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course Meigs was super dangerous. I think the accident rate was double the norm due to short runways and high winds. And it was a security nightmare. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Last night I dreamed about Mark Roberts..
Obviously you've never dealt with Chicago's city government... graywolf wrote: Besides that, the proper way to close down an airport is to provide notice that it is to be closed by a particular date. Not having ditches dug across the runway in the middle of the night... Paul Sorenson wrote: Not entirely true, Grasshopper. A search of the NTSB General Aviation accident statistics for the four years 1998 - 2001 (the latest I was able to find) indicated only two aviation accidents in the Chicago area. One was clearly pilot error - the pilot was attempting to take off using less than full power; the other was of an indeterminate cause but runway length was more than adequate for the aircraft involved, a Beech King Air 200. As for the winds, you simply had to be competent at crosswind take-offs and landings and know the limitations of your piloting skills and the aircraft you're flying. *Most* aviation accidents are attributable to pilot error; errors in judgment and attempting to continue flight beyond the limits of your skills as an aviator. If that happens to occur during the take-off or landing phase of your flight, you can't really blame the airport. -p Aviation, to an even greater extent than the sea, is terribly unforgiving of any incapacity, carelessness, or neglect. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course Meigs was super dangerous. I think the accident rate was double the norm due to short runways and high winds. And it was a security nightmare. Paul -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Last night I dreamed about Mark Roberts..
that got your attention, huh? one of the last things I looked at on line were a couple more of Marks shots from (my home town of) Chicago Then I turned on the Tv (watching old movies and tv shows is what I need to fall asleep) and an old WALKER, TEXAS RANGER show came on. It starred Chuck Norris. I kept thinking how much Norris looked like someone I knew -- but who was it? Then it hit me... and I dozed off a while later... don't remember seeing the end of the show. ( I was going to post one of my shots of Mark from GFM and post a link to Norris but things of greater necessity are piling up around me and it is Scrabble club night... ) anyway, I woke this morning actually remembring the most recent dream which was Mark and I in a cab in Chicago - dashing to get to a small airport... that looked curiously like one of his fish eye shots - the cab driver was muddled and we decided we would get there faster by getting out of the cab and walking across streets rather than the cab having to manouvre in traffic -- just like a zillion movies we have all seen of like things in NY. I woke as we were arriving at the airport and looking for the little plane that would take us somewhere we were going to shoot - I vaguely remember discussing with him in the dream that it had to be a small airport because we were going some where in the boondocks... ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Last night I dreamed about Mark Roberts..
Frightening things happen in our dreams all the time... Most of the time they're gone in the morning. ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Last night I dreamed about Mark Roberts..
Mark Roberts is too much of a gentleman to be gone in the morning. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: 04 October 2007 20:53 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Last night I dreamed about Mark Roberts.. Frightening things happen in our dreams all the time... Most of the time they're gone in the morning. ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Last night I dreamed about Mark Roberts..
Must have been heading for Meigs Field on the lakefront. Here's what it looked like before Mayor Daley had it attacked by bulldozers under cover of darkness and police protection to make sure no-one interfered. (Not my pix) http://www.pbase.com/thh/image/35125831 -p ann sanfedele wrote: that got your attention, huh? one of the last things I looked at on line were a couple more of Marks shots from (my home town of) Chicago Then I turned on the Tv (watching old movies and tv shows is what I need to fall asleep) and an old WALKER, TEXAS RANGER show came on. It starred Chuck Norris. I kept thinking how much Norris looked like someone I knew -- but who was it? Then it hit me... and I dozed off a while later... don't remember seeing the end of the show. ( I was going to post one of my shots of Mark from GFM and post a link to Norris but things of greater necessity are piling up around me and it is Scrabble club night... ) anyway, I woke this morning actually remembring the most recent dream which was Mark and I in a cab in Chicago - dashing to get to a small airport... that looked curiously like one of his fish eye shots - the cab driver was muddled and we decided we would get there faster by getting out of the cab and walking across streets rather than the cab having to manouvre in traffic -- just like a zillion movies we have all seen of like things in NY. I woke as we were arriving at the airport and looking for the little plane that would take us somewhere we were going to shoot - I vaguely remember discussing with him in the dream that it had to be a small airport because we were going some where in the boondocks... ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Frightening things happen in our dreams all the time... Most of the time they're gone in the morning. ;-) Once while camping out on the mountain at GFM I woke up at around 3:00 a.m. because I dreamed Doug Brewer was shaking me and telling me to go out and take pictures. Fortunately I was able to ignore the dream Doug as effectively as the real one ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: Mark Roberts is too much of a gentleman to be gone in the morning. -- Bob LOL - He;s also too much of a gentleman to go out on his wife ! :) ann -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: 04 October 2007 20:53 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Last night I dreamed about Mark Roberts.. Frightening things happen in our dreams all the time... Most of the time they're gone in the morning. ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul Sorenson wrote: Must have been heading for Meigs Field on the lakefront. Here's what it looked like before Mayor Daley had it attacked by bulldozers under cover of darkness and police protection to make sure no-one interfered. (Not my pix) http://www.pbase.com/thh/image/35125831 a, Meigs.. (sigh) the airport where I, and so many other people, learned to fly... In MS Flight Simulator! :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Did you learn to crash there too? Christian wrote: Paul Sorenson wrote: Must have been heading for Meigs Field on the lakefront. Here's what it looked like before Mayor Daley had it attacked by bulldozers under cover of darkness and police protection to make sure no-one interfered. (Not my pix) http://www.pbase.com/thh/image/35125831 a, Meigs.. (sigh) the airport where I, and so many other people, learned to fly... In MS Flight Simulator! :-) -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Of course Meigs was super dangerous. I think the accident rate was double the norm due to short runways and high winds. And it was a security nightmare. Paul -- Original message -- From: Paul Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Must have been heading for Meigs Field on the lakefront. Here's what it looked like before Mayor Daley had it attacked by bulldozers under cover of darkness and police protection to make sure no-one interfered. (Not my pix) http://www.pbase.com/thh/image/35125831 -p ann sanfedele wrote: that got your attention, huh? one of the last things I looked at on line were a couple more of Marks shots from (my home town of) Chicago Then I turned on the Tv (watching old movies and tv shows is what I need to fall asleep) and an old WALKER, TEXAS RANGER show came on. It starred Chuck Norris. I kept thinking how much Norris looked like someone I knew -- but who was it? Then it hit me... and I dozed off a while later... don't remember seeing the end of the show. ( I was going to post one of my shots of Mark from GFM and post a link to Norris but things of greater necessity are piling up around me and it is Scrabble club night... ) anyway, I woke this morning actually remembring the most recent dream which was Mark and I in a cab in Chicago - dashing to get to a small airport... that looked curiously like one of his fish eye shots - the cab driver was muddled and we decided we would get there faster by getting out of the cab and walking across streets rather than the cab having to manouvre in traffic -- just like a zillion movies we have all seen of like things in NY. I woke as we were arriving at the airport and looking for the little plane that would take us somewhere we were going to shoot - I vaguely remember discussing with him in the dream that it had to be a small airport because we were going some where in the boondocks... ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course Meigs was super dangerous. I think the accident rate was double the norm due to short runways and high winds. And it was a security nightmare. Paul National is maybe even worse as far as security is concerned... Add in the short runways and stupidly dangerous approach heading South and stupidly complicated takeoff heading North... plus noise complaints... but there is no way in hell Congress would ever allow it to be closed. :-) My dad's cousin was an American Airlines pilot for 30 years. His version at landing at DCA: Head for the Potomac, close your eyes and pray. A ex naval aviator (now airline pilot) interviewed for a Washington Post article said he'd rather land on a carrier... at night... in bad weather... than at National. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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ann sanfedele wrote: Then I turned on the Tv (watching old movies and tv shows is what I need to fall asleep) and an old WALKER, TEXAS RANGER show came on. It starred Chuck Norris. I kept thinking how much Norris looked like someone I knew -- but who was it? Then it hit me... and I dozed off a while later... don't remember seeing the end of the show. A guy at a sub shop once gave me a discount on my sandwich because he thought I resembled Chuck Norris. Strange but true. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christian wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course Meigs was super dangerous. I think the accident rate was double the norm due to short runways and high winds. And it was a security nightmare. Paul National is maybe even worse as far as security is concerned... Add in the short runways and stupidly dangerous approach heading South and stupidly complicated takeoff heading North... plus noise complaints... but there is no way in hell Congress would ever allow it to be closed. :-) My dad's cousin was an American Airlines pilot for 30 years. His version at landing at DCA: Head for the Potomac, close your eyes and pray. A ex naval aviator (now airline pilot) interviewed for a Washington Post article said he'd rather land on a carrier... at night... in bad weather... than at National. Could be worse, the old Hong Kong airport had a dogleg on final, to miss a mountain. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Adam Maas wrote: Could be worse, the old Hong Kong airport had a dogleg on final, to miss a mountain. -Adam The 90-degree right turn on final at DCA prevents you from being shot down by SAMs :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: ann sanfedele wrote: Then I turned on the Tv (watching old movies and tv shows is what I need to fall asleep) and an old WALKER, TEXAS RANGER show came on. It starred Chuck Norris. I kept thinking how much Norris looked like someone I knew -- but who was it? Then it hit me... and I dozed off a while later... don't remember seeing the end of the show. A guy at a sub shop once gave me a discount on my sandwich because he thought I resembled Chuck Norris. and he was right! Strange but true. We should get you into one of those celebrity lookalike things! ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Last night I dreamed about Mark Roberts..
Not entirely true, Grasshopper. A search of the NTSB General Aviation accident statistics for the four years 1998 - 2001 (the latest I was able to find) indicated only two aviation accidents in the Chicago area. One was clearly pilot error - the pilot was attempting to take off using less than full power; the other was of an indeterminate cause but runway length was more than adequate for the aircraft involved, a Beech King Air 200. As for the winds, you simply had to be competent at crosswind take-offs and landings and know the limitations of your piloting skills and the aircraft you're flying. *Most* aviation accidents are attributable to pilot error; errors in judgment and attempting to continue flight beyond the limits of your skills as an aviator. If that happens to occur during the take-off or landing phase of your flight, you can't really blame the airport. -p Aviation, to an even greater extent than the sea, is terribly unforgiving of any incapacity, carelessness, or neglect. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course Meigs was super dangerous. I think the accident rate was double the norm due to short runways and high winds. And it was a security nightmare. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Last night I dreamed about Mark Roberts..
On 10/5/07, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: ann sanfedele wrote: Then I turned on the Tv (watching old movies and tv shows is what I need to fall asleep) and an old WALKER, TEXAS RANGER show came on. It starred Chuck Norris. I kept thinking how much Norris looked like someone I knew -- but who was it? Then it hit me... and I dozed off a while later... don't remember seeing the end of the show. A guy at a sub shop once gave me a discount on my sandwich because he thought I resembled Chuck Norris. and he was right! Strange but true. We should get you into one of those celebrity lookalike things! Speaking of Chuck Norris. Did you know: 1) Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills people. 2) There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of animals Chuck Norris allows to live. 3) Chuck Norris does not sleep. He waits. 4) The chief export of Chuck Norris is Pain. 5) There is no chin under Chuck Norris' Beard. There is only another fist. 6) Chuck Norris has two speeds. Walk, and Kill. 7) The leading causes of death in the United States are: 1. Heart Disease 2. Chuck Norris 3. Cancer 8) Chuck Norris drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls. 9) Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried. 10) Chuck Norris doesn't go hunting CHUCK NORRIS GOES KILLING 11) Chuck Norris is currently suing NBC, claiming Law and Order are trademarked names for his left and right legs. 12) Chuck Norris sold his soul to the devil for his rugged good looks and unparalleled martial arts ability. Shortly after the transaction was finalized, Chuck roundhouse kicked the devil in the face and took his soul back. The devil, who appreciates irony, couldn't stay mad and admitted he should have seen it coming. They now play poker every second Wednesday of the month. 13) A blind man once stepped on Chuck Norris' shoe. Chuck replied, Don't you know who I am? I'm Chuck Norris! The mere mention of his name cured this man blindness. Sadly the first, last, and only thing this man ever saw, was a fatal roundhouse kick delivered by Chuck Norris. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
