RE: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?
Hi all, This has been a useful discussion. On cleaning an old lense today, I discovered some fungus. The now is, how do you pull the lense apart to clean it? Any tips and pointers appreciated Cheers John - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?
Spell checkers can be a pain. For dissector read dessicator. Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Don Williams Finland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 8:00 AM Subject: Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies? No calibration needed. Take it apart in a methodical way and put it back in the reverse order. Work on sheets of clean laser printer paper on top of a couple of pieces of paper towel. Can you remove and replace a camera body screw without changing the shape or appearance of the screw-head? If this is true you can probably dismantle and reassemble a lens. And I said before it is wise to avoid scrubbing the glass with lens cleaning tissue soaked in 'optical cleaning fluids' such as those made by Kaiser and other photo companies. They will spread any oily residue evenly all over the glass surface. Just use soap and water then get rid of it. Of course if you are a stone-mason, or a cello player, your hands might be a bit rough and then you'd have to be careful about cleaning the elements with fingers. The coating is rather delicate and can easily be scratched. But, believe it or not, it would take a lot of scratching to degrade the performance of the lens so you'd notice. Keep tools and fingers away from the diaphragm. In Africa fungi grow on camera lenses like crazy. After cleaning them I put the lens barrel and all the other metal parts in a lab dissector in which there was a small beaker containing a solution of formaldehyde. The vapour killed any remains spores and hyphae lurking there and ready to start growing as soon as the lens was put back together. I don't recommend formalin. It's nasty stuff and we know a lot more about it now than we did in those days. D Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Kristian Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:27 AM Subject: Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies? Hi Don, That's just about possible for me to do -- I might even be able to talk my way into getting use of a lab.. Problem is that I couldn't calibrate the lens afterwards :-( ... I'll just have to look for one without fungus, I think. -- Kristian On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 01:52 pm, Don Williams Finland wrote: Dismantle the lens. Clean all glass parts in hot soapy water with the fingers - Fairy Liquid is good. Dry glass components, on edge, on a clean surface in a dust free place - after rinsing off all traces of soap with tap water, followed by distilled water. Don't be tempted by solvents like alcohol. When dry put in microwave for a few seconds to evaporate the adsorbed water molecules. Blow off all dust that attaches itself to glass as you reassemble the lens. When lens is all nicely back together put it in a container that can be tightly sealed with a few packets of fresh or regenerated desiccant bags. Keep that way for a day or two. If the fungus reappears follow instructions given by Bob. Ideally this should be done is a dust free environment - a microbiology laboratory glove box perhaps? Of course if you don't have the tools needed for this job you'll need to borrow or buy them. D Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:36 AM Subject: Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies? Yup! Bet that in my younger days I could have gotten 92 mph out of a 50/1.4! (that's 148 km for you Canucks, Brits, Frenchies, Spaniards, Italians and others who bowed to the metric gods...) Perfection is 90 feet between bases! Har! Regards, Bob... --- In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' --Rudyard Kipling From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Bob, Did you go to the Nolan Ryan School of Photography? g -frank Bob Blakely wrote: Fungus remedy: 1.Find a brick or concrete wall. 2.Place yourself approximately 7 meters from the wall. 3.Hold the lens in your hand with the first two fingers of your hand on top of the lens barrel and the pocket formed by your thumb and curled third and forth fingers. 4.Turn so that you are 3/4 facing
Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?
Dismantle the lens. Clean all glass parts in hot soapy water with the fingers - Fairy Liquid is good. Dry glass components, on edge, on a clean surface in a dust free place - after rinsing off all traces of soap with tap water, followed by distilled water. Don't be tempted by solvents like alcohol. When dry put in microwave for a few seconds to evaporate the adsorbed water molecules. Blow off all dust that attaches itself to glass as you reassemble the lens. When lens is all nicely back together put it in a container that can be tightly sealed with a few packets of fresh or regenerated desiccant bags. Keep that way for a day or two. If the fungus reappears follow instructions given by Bob. Ideally this should be done is a dust free environment - a microbiology laboratory glove box perhaps? Of course if you don't have the tools needed for this job you'll need to borrow or buy them. D Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:36 AM Subject: Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies? Yup! Bet that in my younger days I could have gotten 92 mph out of a 50/1.4! (that's 148 km for you Canucks, Brits, Frenchies, Spaniards, Italians and others who bowed to the metric gods...) Perfection is 90 feet between bases! Har! Regards, Bob... --- In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' --Rudyard Kipling From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Bob, Did you go to the Nolan Ryan School of Photography? g -frank Bob Blakely wrote: Fungus remedy: 1.Find a brick or concrete wall. 2.Place yourself approximately 7 meters from the wall. 3.Hold the lens in your hand with the first two fingers of your hand on top of the lens barrel and the pocket formed by your thumb and curled third and forth fingers. 4.Turn so that you are 3/4 facing the wall, keep your eye on the wall. 5.Lean back, placing your weight on your rear foot, lifting your forward foot. Stretch your forward arm out toward the wall. 6.Begin to push forward toward the wall with your rear foot while at the same time propelling the lens forward with your two fingers. 7.As your forward foot nears the ground and your (was) rear arm whips rapidly forward with the lens, give that extra push forward with those two fingers thereby imparting more speed and a reverse spin which will add lift to the lens. 8.Pick up lens and extract the excess glass fragments. 9.Place on desk as paper weight. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?
Kristian Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's just about possible for me to do -- I might even be able to talk my way into getting use of a lab.. Problem is that I couldn't calibrate the lens afterwards :-( What's to calibrate? -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?
No calibration needed. Take it apart in a methodical way and put it back in the reverse order. Work on sheets of clean laser printer paper on top of a couple of pieces of paper towel. Can you remove and replace a camera body screw without changing the shape or appearance of the screw-head? If this is true you can probably dismantle and reassemble a lens. And I said before it is wise to avoid scrubbing the glass with lens cleaning tissue soaked in 'optical cleaning fluids' such as those made by Kaiser and other photo companies. They will spread any oily residue evenly all over the glass surface. Just use soap and water then get rid of it. Of course if you are a stone-mason, or a cello player, your hands might be a bit rough and then you'd have to be careful about cleaning the elements with fingers. The coating is rather delicate and can easily be scratched. But, believe it or not, it would take a lot of scratching to degrade the performance of the lens so you'd notice. Keep tools and fingers away from the diaphragm. In Africa fungi grow on camera lenses like crazy. After cleaning them I put the lens barrel and all the other metal parts in a lab dissector in which there was a small beaker containing a solution of formaldehyde. The vapour killed any remains spores and hyphae lurking there and ready to start growing as soon as the lens was put back together. I don't recommend formalin. It's nasty stuff and we know a lot more about it now than we did in those days. D Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Kristian Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:27 AM Subject: Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies? Hi Don, That's just about possible for me to do -- I might even be able to talk my way into getting use of a lab.. Problem is that I couldn't calibrate the lens afterwards :-( ... I'll just have to look for one without fungus, I think. -- Kristian On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 01:52 pm, Don Williams Finland wrote: Dismantle the lens. Clean all glass parts in hot soapy water with the fingers - Fairy Liquid is good. Dry glass components, on edge, on a clean surface in a dust free place - after rinsing off all traces of soap with tap water, followed by distilled water. Don't be tempted by solvents like alcohol. When dry put in microwave for a few seconds to evaporate the adsorbed water molecules. Blow off all dust that attaches itself to glass as you reassemble the lens. When lens is all nicely back together put it in a container that can be tightly sealed with a few packets of fresh or regenerated desiccant bags. Keep that way for a day or two. If the fungus reappears follow instructions given by Bob. Ideally this should be done is a dust free environment - a microbiology laboratory glove box perhaps? Of course if you don't have the tools needed for this job you'll need to borrow or buy them. D Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:36 AM Subject: Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies? Yup! Bet that in my younger days I could have gotten 92 mph out of a 50/1.4! (that's 148 km for you Canucks, Brits, Frenchies, Spaniards, Italians and others who bowed to the metric gods...) Perfection is 90 feet between bases! Har! Regards, Bob... --- In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' --Rudyard Kipling From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Bob, Did you go to the Nolan Ryan School of Photography? g -frank Bob Blakely wrote: Fungus remedy: 1.Find a brick or concrete wall. 2.Place yourself approximately 7 meters from the wall. 3.Hold the lens in your hand with the first two fingers of your hand on top of the lens barrel and the pocket formed by your thumb and curled third and forth fingers. 4.Turn so that you are 3/4 facing the wall, keep your eye on the wall. 5.Lean back, placing your weight on your rear foot, lifting your forward foot. Stretch your forward arm out toward the wall. 6.Begin to push forward toward the wall with your rear foot while at the same time propelling the lens forward with your two fingers. 7.As your forward foot nears the ground and your (was) rear arm whips rapidly forward with the lens, give that extra push forward with those two fingers thereby
RE: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?
Kristian, It depends where the fungus is, and how much damage is done. If fungus is on the front element, it can be removed with a partial disassembly. I had a lens cleaned by a pro, and results are great. Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kristian Walsh Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: M50/1.4 fungus remedies? Hi, Firstly, thanks to all for the tips on the Leica. It turned out to have a messed up shutter (1sec varied between 1 and 2 seconds, and above 125 the shutter didn't fully open). I'm waiting for a quote on a CLA before I put my cash into it. Oh, and the lens had fungus. Speaking of which, the shop had a lovely M50/1.4 (or maybe a K -- don't know how to tell them apart, but it wasn't an A. Minimum focus was 0.48m, and there were 8 aperture blades - the casing felt like plastic over metal). I had a quick try on their MZ-5n body and I was very impressed. I know these questions come up occasionally, so here are some answers to look up in future: - Auto-focus confirmation works (!!) - I was surprised at this, but I suppose there's no reason why it wouldn't. - The metering seems to work fine. I couldn't be entirely sure, but I think spot and centre-weighted metering both work. - The focus feel is fantastic ;-) ... so, why don't I have a nice 50/1.4 now? Well, it had not one but two tiny fungal colonies. Does anyone know how to get rid of these, or is the lens doomed forever? -- Kristian PS. The shop had actually received, and sold, a Contax N Digital, so there must me some around somewhere. Price was 9500, but I think that was with two zoom lenses. Can you imagine Pentax trying to get that kind of money for a body? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
M50/1.4 fungus remedies?
Hi, Firstly, thanks to all for the tips on the Leica. It turned out to have a messed up shutter (1sec varied between 1 and 2 seconds, and above 125 the shutter didn't fully open). I'm waiting for a quote on a CLA before I put my cash into it. Oh, and the lens had fungus. Speaking of which, the shop had a lovely M50/1.4 (or maybe a K -- don't know how to tell them apart, but it wasn't an A. Minimum focus was 0.48m, and there were 8 aperture blades - the casing felt like plastic over metal). I had a quick try on their MZ-5n body and I was very impressed. I know these questions come up occasionally, so here are some answers to look up in future: - Auto-focus confirmation works (!!) - I was surprised at this, but I suppose there's no reason why it wouldn't. - The metering seems to work fine. I couldn't be entirely sure, but I think spot and centre-weighted metering both work. - The focus feel is fantastic ;-) ... so, why don't I have a nice 50/1.4 now? Well, it had not one but two tiny fungal colonies. Does anyone know how to get rid of these, or is the lens doomed forever? -- Kristian PS. The shop had actually received, and sold, a Contax N Digital, so there must me some around somewhere. Price was 9500, but I think that was with two zoom lenses. Can you imagine Pentax trying to get that kind of money for a body? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?
I haven't had a Leica to play with for a long time but I suspect that the shutter not fully opening at speeds above 1/125th is normal. Now that I think about it it makes perfect sense - since Leica's flash sync is 1/55, the shutter won't fully open at times faster than this. Lukasz - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?
Fungus remedy: 1.Find a brick or concrete wall. 2.Place yourself approximately 7 meters from the wall. 3.Hold the lens in your hand with the first two fingers of your hand on top of the lens barrel and the pocket formed by your thumb and curled third and forth fingers. 4.Turn so that you are 3/4 facing the wall, keep your eye on the wall. 5.Lean back, placing your weight on your rear foot, lifting your forward foot. Stretch your forward arm out toward the wall. 6.Begin to push forward toward the wall with your rear foot while at the same time propelling the lens forward with your two fingers. 7.As your forward foot nears the ground and your (was) rear arm whips rapidly forward with the lens, give that extra push forward with those two fingers thereby imparting more speed and a reverse spin which will add lift to the lens. 8.Pick up lens and extract the excess glass fragments. 9.Place on desk as paper weight. Regards, Bob... --- In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' --Rudyard Kipling - Original Message - From: Kristian Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: M50/1.4 fungus remedies? Hi, Firstly, thanks to all for the tips on the Leica. It turned out to have a messed up shutter (1sec varied between 1 and 2 seconds, and above 125 the shutter didn't fully open). I'm waiting for a quote on a CLA before I put my cash into it. Oh, and the lens had fungus. Speaking of which, the shop had a lovely M50/1.4 (or maybe a K -- don't know how to tell them apart, but it wasn't an A. Minimum focus was 0.48m, and there were 8 aperture blades - the casing felt like plastic over metal). I had a quick try on their MZ-5n body and I was very impressed. I know these questions come up occasionally, so here are some answers to look up in future: - Auto-focus confirmation works (!!) - I was surprised at this, but I suppose there's no reason why it wouldn't. - The metering seems to work fine. I couldn't be entirely sure, but I think spot and centre-weighted metering both work. - The focus feel is fantastic ;-) ... so, why don't I have a nice 50/1.4 now? Well, it had not one but two tiny fungal colonies. Does anyone know how to get rid of these, or is the lens doomed forever? -- Kristian PS. The shop had actually received, and sold, a Contax N Digital, so there must me some around somewhere. Price was 9500, but I think that was with two zoom lenses. Can you imagine Pentax trying to get that kind of money for a body? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?
Hi, Bob, Did you go to the Nolan Ryan School of Photography? g -frank Bob Blakely wrote: Fungus remedy: 1.Find a brick or concrete wall. 2.Place yourself approximately 7 meters from the wall. 3.Hold the lens in your hand with the first two fingers of your hand on top of the lens barrel and the pocket formed by your thumb and curled third and forth fingers. 4.Turn so that you are 3/4 facing the wall, keep your eye on the wall. 5.Lean back, placing your weight on your rear foot, lifting your forward foot. Stretch your forward arm out toward the wall. 6.Begin to push forward toward the wall with your rear foot while at the same time propelling the lens forward with your two fingers. 7.As your forward foot nears the ground and your (was) rear arm whips rapidly forward with the lens, give that extra push forward with those two fingers thereby imparting more speed and a reverse spin which will add lift to the lens. 8.Pick up lens and extract the excess glass fragments. 9.Place on desk as paper weight. -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?
Yup! Bet that in my younger days I could have gotten 92 mph out of a 50/1.4! (that's 148 km for you Canucks, Brits, Frenchies, Spaniards, Italians and others who bowed to the metric gods...) Perfection is 90 feet between bases! Har! Regards, Bob... --- In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' --Rudyard Kipling From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Bob, Did you go to the Nolan Ryan School of Photography? g -frank Bob Blakely wrote: Fungus remedy: 1.Find a brick or concrete wall. 2.Place yourself approximately 7 meters from the wall. 3.Hold the lens in your hand with the first two fingers of your hand on top of the lens barrel and the pocket formed by your thumb and curled third and forth fingers. 4.Turn so that you are 3/4 facing the wall, keep your eye on the wall. 5.Lean back, placing your weight on your rear foot, lifting your forward foot. Stretch your forward arm out toward the wall. 6.Begin to push forward toward the wall with your rear foot while at the same time propelling the lens forward with your two fingers. 7.As your forward foot nears the ground and your (was) rear arm whips rapidly forward with the lens, give that extra push forward with those two fingers thereby imparting more speed and a reverse spin which will add lift to the lens. 8.Pick up lens and extract the excess glass fragments. 9.Place on desk as paper weight. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?
Yup! Bet that in my younger days I could have gotten 92 mph out of a 50/1.4! (that's 148 km for you Canucks, Brits, Frenchies, Spaniards, Italians and others who bowed to the metric gods...) Perfection is 90 feet between bases! And 60 feet 6 inches from pitcher's rubber to home plate? Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: M50/1.4 fungus remedies?
A friend of mine who is a mycologist tells me that nothing really kills a fungus it only seems to die. At 09:38 PM 7/30/2002 -0400, you wrote: I read somewhere that if you fumigate the lens with Thymol it will kill the fungus. I had a Tokina 24-40 f2.8 zoom that developed fungus and tried this - I don't know if it worked. The fungus was still there, but I could not tell if it was dead or alive. After a couple of months in a coffee can with thymol crystals, the lens sure did smell like thyme though. I bought my thymol from a chemical supply house. - MCC At 06:58 PM 7/30/2002 +0100, you wrote: Hi, Firstly, thanks to all for the tips on the Leica. It turned out to have a messed up shutter (1sec varied between 1 and 2 seconds, and above 125 the shutter didn't fully open). I'm waiting for a quote on a CLA before I put my cash into it. Oh, and the lens had fungus. Speaking of which, the shop had a lovely M50/1.4 (or maybe a K -- don't know how to tell them apart, but it wasn't an A. Minimum focus was 0.48m, and there were 8 aperture blades - the casing felt like plastic over metal). I had a quick try on their MZ-5n body and I was very impressed. I know these questions come up occasionally, so here are some answers to look up in future: - Auto-focus confirmation works (!!) - I was surprised at this, but I suppose there's no reason why it wouldn't. - The metering seems to work fine. I couldn't be entirely sure, but I think spot and centre-weighted metering both work. - The focus feel is fantastic ;-) ... so, why don't I have a nice 50/1.4 now? Well, it had not one but two tiny fungal colonies. Does anyone know how to get rid of these, or is the lens doomed forever? -- Kristian PS. The shop had actually received, and sold, a Contax N Digital, so there must me some around somewhere. Price was 9500, but I think that was with two zoom lenses. Can you imagine Pentax trying to get that kind of money for a body? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
