Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
_Much_ better than the previously posted stuff. Now I'm intrigued. From: Ryan Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/09 Thu AM 06:42:39 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled Ryan Brooks wrote: Just picked up the M8. First impressions (pictures will have to wait until tomorrow): First test pics here: www.hack.net/m8 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
Here are some samples that my friend made lately during test for Fotopolis photo portal. ISO 2500 looks pretty bad, worse than iso1600 in K10D. And last but not least - you have to change ISO and WB via menu a'la Pentax - can't be, Leica is PRO camera ;-) And sorry, but sample images are in Polish :-) On 08.11.2006, at 02:08 , Shel Belinkoff wrote: Tina Manley put up a dozen or so pics she made with an M8, including a bug close-up made with a 90mm lens. Many of the pics were @ 2500 ISO and they looked pretty good. Unfortunately, I don't have the URL's for them here ... but I believe you can find her messages and the URL's here: http://www.freelists.org/archives/leica/11-2006/ Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
The URL looks to be in Invisible, rather than Polish. From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/09 Thu PM 12:57:11 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled Here are some samples that my friend made lately during test for Fotopolis photo portal. ISO 2500 looks pretty bad, worse than iso1600 in K10D. And last but not least - you have to change ISO and WB via menu a'la Pentax - can't be, Leica is PRO camera ;-) And sorry, but sample images are in Polish :-) On 08.11.2006, at 02:08 , Shel Belinkoff wrote: Tina Manley put up a dozen or so pics she made with an M8, including a bug close-up made with a 90mm lens. Many of the pics were @ 2500 ISO and they looked pretty good. Unfortunately, I don't have the URL's for them here ... but I believe you can find her messages and the URL's here: http://www.freelists.org/archives/leica/11-2006/ Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
That's typical for Polish - be invisible ;-) Thanks Mike, here is the link: http://www.fotopolis.pl/index.php?n=5059 On 09.11.2006, at 14:34 , mike wilson wrote: The URL looks to be in Invisible, rather than Polish. Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
From: Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/08 Wed AM 06:15:25 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled I'm subscribed to the Laica list, so I've seen those already. Pretty good noise-wise, the conversions looked like she doesn't have too much experience with. j I thought it was just the grotty work monitor (or maybe me) but I agree about the presentation. I'm not entirely sure it's due to the conversion, though. The first shot seems not to be focused on anything. Funny patterns in the t-shirt. Nothing in the boat shot seems to be in focus. Interesting effect from the highlight in the scary family pic. I'm not impressed. On 11/7/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tina Manley put up a dozen or so pics she made with an M8, including a bug close-up made with a 90mm lens. Many of the pics were @ 2500 ISO and they looked pretty good. Unfortunately, I don't have the URL's for them here ... but I believe you can find her messages and the URL's here: http://www.freelists.org/archives/leica/11-2006/ Shel [Original Message] From: Juan Buhler Look forward to seeing some pictures from your M8! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com a book: http://www.jbuhler.com/book.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
Ryan Brooks wrote: Just picked up the M8. First impressions (pictures will have to wait until tomorrow): First test pics here: www.hack.net/m8 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
Just picked up the M8. First impressions (pictures will have to wait until tomorrow): - Really solid. - Very nice user interface (mechanical and software)... especially the menus. Super easy to navigate and work with; everything is very obvious. - Lowest ISO is 160 (1/8000th top shutter speed) - Highest ISO is 2500. - It's built very, very well- but you can tell that the soul has changed. When you take the bottom off, it's a digi-cam- no doubt about it. - Even the LCD has a very high quality anti-reflective coating- looks like the front of a multicoated lens Things to get used to: - Shutter button feels weird to me. It's just different from the M7... there are three steps now. - The top of the camera looks empty without the cocking lever. - The Self-timer/C/S/OFF selection switch is too easy to turn IMHO. And they should have put single shot all the way on one end instead of the middle of the stroke. (if you just slide it all the way on w/o looking, you get self-timer... you should get single shot IMHO). - With the 1.33x crop, the framelines are different and my brain doesn't recognize them. Maybe this is because I'm used to the .8x finder. - Seems slightly fatter and heavier than the M7. - Motor whirring sound after the shot. -Ryan Gonz wrote: Its real, or so it would seem, since its now up on DPreview. rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/14/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while we're having a love fest on the K10D another leak ... in french (babelfish does a good translation) http://www.macandphoto.com/2006/09/prise_en_main_d.html I think I saw a couple of pigs flying south a few moments ago ... ;-) I'll drool anyway. Even if it's real, I could never afford it, so ontological verity is somewhat moot. g -frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
On Nov 7, 2006, at 6:16 PM, Ryan Brooks wrote: Just picked up the M8. First impressions (pictures will have to wait until tomorrow): - It's built very, very well- but you can tell that the soul has changed. When you take the bottom off, it's a digi-cam- no doubt about it. I would hope so. If I took off the bottom plate, and it was a film camera, I would want my money back. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
Yes, but, how fast is the AF? :) Good for you Ryan. I've decided to start an M8 fund, so now all the money coming from print or book sales will go towards an M8 and (used) 35mm Summicron. Hopefully, I'll get one before the M9 comes out. Look forward to seeing some pictures from your M8! j On 11/7/06, Ryan Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just picked up the M8. First impressions (pictures will have to wait until tomorrow): - Really solid. - Very nice user interface (mechanical and software)... especially the menus. Super easy to navigate and work with; everything is very obvious. - Lowest ISO is 160 (1/8000th top shutter speed) - Highest ISO is 2500. - It's built very, very well- but you can tell that the soul has changed. When you take the bottom off, it's a digi-cam- no doubt about it. - Even the LCD has a very high quality anti-reflective coating- looks like the front of a multicoated lens Things to get used to: - Shutter button feels weird to me. It's just different from the M7... there are three steps now. - The top of the camera looks empty without the cocking lever. - The Self-timer/C/S/OFF selection switch is too easy to turn IMHO. And they should have put single shot all the way on one end instead of the middle of the stroke. (if you just slide it all the way on w/o looking, you get self-timer... you should get single shot IMHO). - With the 1.33x crop, the framelines are different and my brain doesn't recognize them. Maybe this is because I'm used to the .8x finder. - Seems slightly fatter and heavier than the M7. - Motor whirring sound after the shot. -Ryan Gonz wrote: Its real, or so it would seem, since its now up on DPreview. rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/14/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while we're having a love fest on the K10D another leak ... in french (babelfish does a good translation) http://www.macandphoto.com/2006/09/prise_en_main_d.html I think I saw a couple of pigs flying south a few moments ago ... ;-) I'll drool anyway. Even if it's real, I could never afford it, so ontological verity is somewhat moot. g -frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com a book: http://www.jbuhler.com/book.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
Seriously, I would like to have one myself. It could be in the future. I'd love to see what kind of images my Summicron 50/2 produces on a digital sensor. An interesting thought. Paul On Nov 7, 2006, at 6:43 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: Yes, but, how fast is the AF? :) Good for you Ryan. I've decided to start an M8 fund, so now all the money coming from print or book sales will go towards an M8 and (used) 35mm Summicron. Hopefully, I'll get one before the M9 comes out. Look forward to seeing some pictures from your M8! j On 11/7/06, Ryan Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just picked up the M8. First impressions (pictures will have to wait until tomorrow): - Really solid. - Very nice user interface (mechanical and software)... especially the menus. Super easy to navigate and work with; everything is very obvious. - Lowest ISO is 160 (1/8000th top shutter speed) - Highest ISO is 2500. - It's built very, very well- but you can tell that the soul has changed. When you take the bottom off, it's a digi-cam- no doubt about it. - Even the LCD has a very high quality anti-reflective coating- looks like the front of a multicoated lens Things to get used to: - Shutter button feels weird to me. It's just different from the M7... there are three steps now. - The top of the camera looks empty without the cocking lever. - The Self-timer/C/S/OFF selection switch is too easy to turn IMHO. And they should have put single shot all the way on one end instead of the middle of the stroke. (if you just slide it all the way on w/o looking, you get self-timer... you should get single shot IMHO). - With the 1.33x crop, the framelines are different and my brain doesn't recognize them. Maybe this is because I'm used to the .8x finder. - Seems slightly fatter and heavier than the M7. - Motor whirring sound after the shot. -Ryan Gonz wrote: Its real, or so it would seem, since its now up on DPreview. rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/14/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while we're having a love fest on the K10D another leak ... in french (babelfish does a good translation) http://www.macandphoto.com/2006/09/prise_en_main_d.html I think I saw a couple of pigs flying south a few moments ago ... ;-) I'll drool anyway. Even if it's real, I could never afford it, so ontological verity is somewhat moot. g -frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com a book: http://www.jbuhler.com/book.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
Tina Manley put up a dozen or so pics she made with an M8, including a bug close-up made with a 90mm lens. Many of the pics were @ 2500 ISO and they looked pretty good. Unfortunately, I don't have the URL's for them here ... but I believe you can find her messages and the URL's here: http://www.freelists.org/archives/leica/11-2006/ Shel [Original Message] From: Juan Buhler Look forward to seeing some pictures from your M8! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
This is a leak? This camera is no secret - I saw one on Saturday, as I'd planned to in advance. :) Amita -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
Yes, I'd love to have one too. But since I no longer own any Leica M lenses, and the body is sooo expensive, I'll just wait for a 645D to appear. I'm more inclined to spend that kind of dosh on a BIG sensor, not them little piddly things that Canon calls full frame. ]'-) Godfrey On Nov 7, 2006, at 4:03 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Seriously, I would like to have one myself. It could be in the future. I'd love to see what kind of images my Summicron 50/2 produces on a digital sensor. An interesting thought. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
I'm subscribed to the Laica list, so I've seen those already. Pretty good noise-wise, the conversions looked like she doesn't have too much experience with. j On 11/7/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tina Manley put up a dozen or so pics she made with an M8, including a bug close-up made with a 90mm lens. Many of the pics were @ 2500 ISO and they looked pretty good. Unfortunately, I don't have the URL's for them here ... but I believe you can find her messages and the URL's here: http://www.freelists.org/archives/leica/11-2006/ Shel [Original Message] From: Juan Buhler Look forward to seeing some pictures from your M8! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com a book: http://www.jbuhler.com/book.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
On 7/11/06, Ryan Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: - Even the LCD has a very high quality anti-reflective coating- looks like the front of a multicoated lens The exposed screen would be a show-stopper for me. Some way of covering it up with a solid panel would seem mandatory IMO. A reversible affair would be okay, like the Canon G series, and Pentax 750 -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
On 15/09/06, Gonz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its real, or so it would seem, since its now up on DPreview. Spec page is interesting: • 27 x 18 mm CCD sensor (by Kodak) • 10.3 million effective pixels • 6.8 x 6.8 µm pixel pitch • RGB Color Filter Array • Offset microlenses near frame corners • No anti-alias filter (low pass filter) • 1.33x FOV crop http://www.dpreview.com/articles/leicam8/page2.asp So I guess the sensor microlenses have been offset in a compromise between the very acute angles of incidence experienced using symmetrical WA lenses vs the short teles. It will be interesting to see how it fares against the Epson RD-1 using the same lenses given the larger frame size. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
while we're having a love fest on the K10D another leak ... in french (babelfish does a good translation) http://www.macandphoto.com/2006/09/prise_en_main_d.html I think I saw a couple of pigs flying south a few moments ago ... ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
--- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while we're having a love fest on the K10D another leak ... in french (babelfish does a good translation) http://www.macandphoto.com/2006/09/prise_en_main_d.html I think I saw a couple of pigs flying south a few moments ago ... ;-) Godfrey Yeah, and their destination is a blizzard on the river Styx. -Brendan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
On 14/09/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while we're having a love fest on the K10D another leak ... in french (babelfish does a good translation) http://www.macandphoto.com/2006/09/prise_en_main_d.html I think I saw a couple of pigs flying south a few moments ago ... ;-) More info: http://www.nemeng.com/leica/004f.shtml It's a bit of a little piggy compared to a regular M. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
Ooh expensive, but then it's a Leica. Digital Image Studio wrote: On 14/09/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while we're having a love fest on the K10D another leak ... in french (babelfish does a good translation) http://www.macandphoto.com/2006/09/prise_en_main_d.html I think I saw a couple of pigs flying south a few moments ago ... ;-) More info: http://www.nemeng.com/leica/004f.shtml It's a bit of a little piggy compared to a regular M. -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
On 9/14/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while we're having a love fest on the K10D another leak ... in french (babelfish does a good translation) http://www.macandphoto.com/2006/09/prise_en_main_d.html I think I saw a couple of pigs flying south a few moments ago ... ;-) I'll drool anyway. Even if it's real, I could never afford it, so ontological verity is somewhat moot. g -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Leica M8 digital unveiled
Its real, or so it would seem, since its now up on DPreview. rg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/14/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while we're having a love fest on the K10D another leak ... in french (babelfish does a good translation) http://www.macandphoto.com/2006/09/prise_en_main_d.html I think I saw a couple of pigs flying south a few moments ago ... ;-) I'll drool anyway. Even if it's real, I could never afford it, so ontological verity is somewhat moot. g -frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: M8 Digital
I have confirmed this morning from an inside source that these photos are genuine. Bob On Aug 28, 2006, at 9:34 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Aug 27, 2006, at 11:39 AM, Bob Shell wrote: http://www.bobshell.com/PESO/m8.jpg Whether simulation or not, it's in keeping with what Leica Ms are like. Hate the neckstrap eyelets. And it looks even bulkier than my M6 TTL was. Nice cameras, nice lenses however. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: M8 Digital
Which, Vacuum or Pneumatic? Scott Loveless wrote: On 8/27/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's just propagation of the outgoing messages from the list server, passing through the swirls and eddies of the Internet on their way to you... Maybe the tubes are clogged. -- -- Its easy to understand why the cat has eclipsed the dog as modern America's favorite pet. People like pets to possess the same qualities they do. Cats are irresponsible and recognize no authority, yet are completely dependent on others for their material needs. Cats cannot be made to do anything useful. Cats are mean for the fun of it P. J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: M8 Digital
On 8/28/06, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which, Vacuum or Pneumatic? Good question. I'm sure it comes down to whether the internet sucks or blows. Let's ask Ted Stevens. Maybe he knows. Scott Loveless wrote: On 8/27/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's just propagation of the outgoing messages from the list server, passing through the swirls and eddies of the Internet on their way to you... Maybe the tubes are clogged. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: M8 Digital
On Aug 28, 2006, at 1:06 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: Good question. I'm sure it comes down to whether the internet sucks or blows. Let's ask Ted Stevens. Maybe he knows. Ask Al Gore, since he invented it. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: M8 Digital
I think Al left that up to his former buddy Bill. Bob Shell wrote: On Aug 28, 2006, at 1:06 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: Good question. I'm sure it comes down to whether the internet sucks or blows. Let's ask Ted Stevens. Maybe he knows. Ask Al Gore, since he invented it. Bob -- -- Its easy to understand why the cat has eclipsed the dog as modern America's favorite pet. People like pets to possess the same qualities they do. Cats are irresponsible and recognize no authority, yet are completely dependent on others for their material needs. Cats cannot be made to do anything useful. Cats are mean for the fun of it P. J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: M8 Digital
On Aug 27, 2006, at 11:39 AM, Bob Shell wrote: http://www.bobshell.com/PESO/m8.jpg Whether simulation or not, it's in keeping with what Leica Ms are like. Hate the neckstrap eyelets. And it looks even bulkier than my M6 TTL was. Nice cameras, nice lenses however. I used Leica RF cameras alongside Nikon SLR cameras for 30 years and a bit. Sold them off in 2002 when I stopped shooting film. I don't have any more Leica M-bayonet lenses, so an M-bayonet digital body is not of pressing interest to me at this time. My favorite M was the M4-P. I bought two very very nice ones for less than $700 each, san lens, in the past decade and liked them more than the M6 TTL and the previous M bodies. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
M8 Digital
Weird how this list works. I downloaded the supposed M8 Digital image, tweaked it to have some shadow detail, and posted it on my web site in my PESO file at: http://www.bobshell.com/PESO/m8.jpg I sent a note saying so. That note has not shown up on the list, but another that I answered well after that has shown up already. Anyone know why the server can't keep posts in order? If this list was on Yahoo, I'd take stuff like this for granted, but we're not yahoos here. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: M8 Digital
Bob Shell wrote: Weird how this list works. I downloaded the supposed M8 Digital image, tweaked it to have some shadow detail, and posted it on my web site in my PESO file at: http://www.bobshell.com/PESO/m8.jpg I sent a note saying so. That note has not shown up on the list, but another that I answered well after that has shown up already. Anyone know why the server can't keep posts in order? I just checked the timestamps in the headers and it seems the list server *does* keep them in order (indeed, I received them in order - this second post came well after your first one). It's just propagation of the outgoing messages from the list server, passing through the swirls and eddies of the Internet on their way to you... -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: M8 Digital
On 8/27/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's just propagation of the outgoing messages from the list server, passing through the swirls and eddies of the Internet on their way to you... Maybe the tubes are clogged. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: M8 Digital
On 8/27/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's just propagation of the outgoing messages from the list server, passing through the swirls and eddies of the Internet on their way to you... Swirls and eddies? Those are class 5 rapids out there. With rabid alligators in the water. :-) -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: M8 Digital
Internet paths are a drunkard's walk. One email may go directly from a to b, another may go from a to z to h to g to y to k to e to r to b. Obviously the first message would arrive sooner than the second. It works amazingly well unless some server along the way accepts the message and then crashes before sending it on. To prevent that from causing a problem mail-servers send it out along several paths, and after it arrives the final mail-server says I already have that message, you may delete it. I have seen messages that have gone all the way around the world to get to a point a few miles away. That it normally only takes a few minutes is mind boggling. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Bob Shell wrote: Weird how this list works. I downloaded the supposed M8 Digital image, tweaked it to have some shadow detail, and posted it on my web site in my PESO file at: http://www.bobshell.com/PESO/m8.jpg I sent a note saying so. That note has not shown up on the list, but another that I answered well after that has shown up already. Anyone know why the server can't keep posts in order? If this list was on Yahoo, I'd take stuff like this for granted, but we're not yahoos here. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: M8 Digital
On Aug 27, 2006, at 3:13 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: I just checked the timestamps in the headers and it seems the list server *does* keep them in order (indeed, I received them in order - this second post came well after your first one). It's just propagation of the outgoing messages from the list server, passing through the swirls and eddies of the Internet on their way to you... Why, then, does this only happen on this list and not on the others I am on? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: M8 Digital
graywolf wrote: Internet paths are a drunkard's walk. One email may go directly from a to b, another may go from a to z to h to g to y to k to e to r to b. Obviously the first message would arrive sooner than the second. It works amazingly well unless some server along the way accepts the message and then crashes before sending it on. To prevent that from causing a problem mail-servers send it out along several paths, and after it arrives the final mail-server says I already have that message, That is absolutely NOT how email delivery works. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: M8 Digital
Read the path lists from a large bunch of emails and get back to me on that. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Ryan Brooks wrote: graywolf wrote: Internet paths are a drunkard's walk. One email may go directly from a to b, another may go from a to z to h to g to y to k to e to r to b. Obviously the first message would arrive sooner than the second. It works amazingly well unless some server along the way accepts the message and then crashes before sending it on. To prevent that from causing a problem mail-servers send it out along several paths, and after it arrives the final mail-server says I already have that message, That is absolutely NOT how email delivery works. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: M8 Digital
On 28/08/06, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Weird how this list works. I downloaded the supposed M8 Digital image, tweaked it to have some shadow detail, and posted it on my web site in my PESO file at: http://www.bobshell.com/PESO/m8.jpg Mmmm, I want one of those, I do believe it's nothing more than a PS fabrication though. I don't expect that it would be possible to fit both a sensor then a LCD in the depth of a regular M body (assuming that this beast is the same dimensions) I sent a note saying so. That note has not shown up on the list, but another that I answered well after that has shown up already. It's been happening to me also. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
