Re: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-15 Thread Sandy Harris
P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well lets see, they stole the picture of another manufactures prototype
 to represent the new product, and claimed it would be compatible with
 Leica lenses.  Either the  translation is completely Fd up or Aigo
 should be using their press releases to fertilize rice fields.  I'm
 betting on the latter.

I've checked the Aigo web site and there's no such press release.

I doubt Aigo are to blame for this. My guess is their name is being
misused just as the photo is; they have no more to do with the hoax
than Pentax does.

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Re: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-15 Thread Sandy Harris
Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Non-technical idiots conflating 'Large sensor interchangable lens
 digital' with 'DSLR'. This sounds like a description of the rumoured
 Zeiss Ikon Digital RF.

Meanwhile, over on the Olympus OM list (which has as many off-topic
posts as this one :-), I noticed this:

 There are strong rumors that FujiFilm has sold the rights to their
 DSLR and medium format business. They are retaining the sensor
 business, digicams and what is left of the film business.

So what's the next rumour? Aigo building things for Zeiis? Aigo
buying a piece of Fuji? They are a major player in the Chinese
market; they might actually have the technology or money to
do one of those.

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Re: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-15 Thread James
On Wed, 14 May 2008 12:07:56 -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote:




Samsung/Microsoft are working the bugs out of chips and software.

So where would the ALT,CTL,Delete buttons go?

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Re: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-15 Thread Adam Maas
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:06 AM, Sandy Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Non-technical idiots conflating 'Large sensor interchangable lens
 digital' with 'DSLR'. This sounds like a description of the rumoured
 Zeiss Ikon Digital RF.

 Meanwhile, over on the Olympus OM list (which has as many off-topic
 posts as this one :-), I noticed this:

 There are strong rumors that FujiFilm has sold the rights to their
 DSLR and medium format business. They are retaining the sensor
 business, digicams and what is left of the film business.

 So what's the next rumour? Aigo building things for Zeiis? Aigo
 buying a piece of Fuji? They are a major player in the Chinese
 market; they might actually have the technology or money to
 do one of those.

 --
 Sandy Harris,
 Nanjing, China


Doesn't sound like a believable rumour, especially since Fuji's been
showing off a new _film_ MF camera lately. I could see them selling
off their DSLR and PS business though, possibly keeping the sensors
as well, but not the MF business where they're a big player (they
build Hassy's H-series cameras and lenses and also sell them as Fuji's
in Japan).


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MZ-D Shock

2008-05-14 Thread Cotty
Have a look at the third product down on this Chinese Engadget page and
tell me I'm dreaming...

http://chinese.engadget.com/category/digitalcameras/page/2/

Deja vu or what?

for ref:

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Re: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-14 Thread Bob Sullivan
Wow, that sure looks like a MZ-D!  Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 5:46 AM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Have a look at the third product down on this Chinese Engadget page and
 tell me I'm dreaming...

 http://chinese.engadget.com/category/digitalcameras/page/2/

 Deja vu or what?

 for ref:

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Re: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-14 Thread Sandy Harris
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Have a look at the third product down on this Chinese Engadget page and
 tell me I'm dreaming...

 http://chinese.engadget.com/category/digitalcameras/page/2/

 Deja vu or what?

 for ref:

 http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/prototypes/MZ-D.html

Aigo, the brand in the photo, are fairly big in China. They make
assorted electronic consumer goods -- MP3 players, USB
memory sticks. some digital cameras -- and have a decent
reputation.

I've never heard of them doing anything in this class, though,
and their web site does not have the product:
http://en.aigo.com



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Re: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-14 Thread P. J. Alling
It seems to be the picture of the Pentax K1, (which may or may not have 
been a Photoshop alteration of the MZ-D), posted on another Camera 
speculation site modified still further.  I translated the text with 
google for what it's worth here it is.

 Map spread on the Internet is the Patriot Aigo first digital 
 single-lens reflex camera DSLR work style plans (obviously 
 non-official, readers have responded to images of), we all know that 
 the Patriot has been creating digital cameras to inexpensive as a 
 criterion, If they successfully launched DSLR, it will become China's 
 first DSLR camera.

 According to hearsay: The CCD camera will not be lower than the same 
 period of the DSLR, and the fuselage will be used as reasons for the 
 cost of plastic; fuselage interface, known as Patriot will be used 
 jointly developed with Carl Zeiss AG to the I will be compatible with 
 the Leica M-mouth, while Carl Zeiss will also develop a series of new 
 DSLR single-lens reflex camera.

 Of course now all outstanding conclusion, as the latest news is that 
 the current Patriot insufficient funds, creating single-lens reflex is 
 not a simple matter, we mention it, and so on. The other hand, our 
 friend the other side of the national character can be really strong, 
 regardless of all on the strength of large, network DSLR scored the 
 hills. Will be 10, because the national character of the momentum, 
 China's consumers to buy the DSLR loved it
That certainly clarifies things.

Cotty wrote:
 Have a look at the third product down on this Chinese Engadget page and
 tell me I'm dreaming...

 http://chinese.engadget.com/category/digitalcameras/page/2/

 Deja vu or what?

 for ref:

 http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/prototypes/MZ-D.html



   


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Re: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-14 Thread Adam Maas
Bad Photoshopping of a K-1D (aka MZ-D).

-Adam

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Have a look at the third product down on this Chinese Engadget page and
  tell me I'm dreaming...

  http://chinese.engadget.com/category/digitalcameras/page/2/

  Deja vu or what?

  for ref:

  http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/prototypes/MZ-D.html



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Re: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-14 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty wrote:
 Have a look at the third product down on this Chinese Engadget page and
 tell me I'm dreaming...
 
 http://chinese.engadget.com/category/digitalcameras/page/2/
 
 Deja vu or what?

No deja vu. Just Wishful Thinking + Photoshop + Too Much Free Time.


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Re: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-14 Thread Scott Loveless
Mark Roberts wrote:
 Cotty wrote:
 Have a look at the third product down on this Chinese Engadget page and
 tell me I'm dreaming...

 http://chinese.engadget.com/category/digitalcameras/page/2/

 Deja vu or what?
 
 No deja vu. Just Wishful Thinking + Photoshop + Too Much Free Time.
 
 
Wouldn't hurt to marinade that hat, anyway.

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Re: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-14 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Have a look at the third product down on this Chinese Engadget page and
 tell me I'm dreaming...

 http://chinese.engadget.com/category/digitalcameras/page/2/

 Deja vu or what?

Nope, its a camera Cotty.

Back to sleep now.

Dave

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Re: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-14 Thread Patrick Genovese
Given the short register distance of a Leica M mount I simply can't
see how a dslr could be possible.. Where would the mirror box fit ?

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:31 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It seems to be the picture of the Pentax K1, (which may or may not have
 been a Photoshop alteration of the MZ-D), posted on another Camera
 speculation site modified still further.  I translated the text with
 google for what it's worth here it is.

 Map spread on the Internet is the Patriot Aigo first digital
 single-lens reflex camera DSLR work style plans (obviously
 non-official, readers have responded to images of), we all know that
 the Patriot has been creating digital cameras to inexpensive as a
 criterion, If they successfully launched DSLR, it will become China's
 first DSLR camera.

 According to hearsay: The CCD camera will not be lower than the same
 period of the DSLR, and the fuselage will be used as reasons for the
 cost of plastic; fuselage interface, known as Patriot will be used
 jointly developed with Carl Zeiss AG to the I will be compatible with
 the Leica M-mouth, while Carl Zeiss will also develop a series of new
 DSLR single-lens reflex camera.

 Of course now all outstanding conclusion, as the latest news is that
 the current Patriot insufficient funds, creating single-lens reflex is
 not a simple matter, we mention it, and so on. The other hand, our
 friend the other side of the national character can be really strong,
 regardless of all on the strength of large, network DSLR scored the
 hills. Will be 10, because the national character of the momentum,
 China's consumers to buy the DSLR loved it
 That certainly clarifies things.

 Cotty wrote:
 Have a look at the third product down on this Chinese Engadget page and
 tell me I'm dreaming...

 http://chinese.engadget.com/category/digitalcameras/page/2/

 Deja vu or what?

 for ref:

 http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/prototypes/MZ-D.html






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Re: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-14 Thread P. J. Alling
Well lets see, they stole the picture of another manufactures prototype 
to represent the new product, and claimed it would be compatible with 
Leica lenses.  Either the  translation is completely Fd up or Aigo 
should be using their press releases to fertilize rice fields.  I'm 
betting on the latter.

Patrick Genovese wrote:
 Given the short register distance of a Leica M mount I simply can't
 see how a dslr could be possible.. Where would the mirror box fit ?

 On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:31 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 It seems to be the picture of the Pentax K1, (which may or may not have
 been a Photoshop alteration of the MZ-D), posted on another Camera
 speculation site modified still further.  I translated the text with
 google for what it's worth here it is.

 
 Map spread on the Internet is the Patriot Aigo first digital
 single-lens reflex camera DSLR work style plans (obviously
 non-official, readers have responded to images of), we all know that
 the Patriot has been creating digital cameras to inexpensive as a
 criterion, If they successfully launched DSLR, it will become China's
 first DSLR camera.

 According to hearsay: The CCD camera will not be lower than the same
 period of the DSLR, and the fuselage will be used as reasons for the
 cost of plastic; fuselage interface, known as Patriot will be used
 jointly developed with Carl Zeiss AG to the I will be compatible with
 the Leica M-mouth, while Carl Zeiss will also develop a series of new
 DSLR single-lens reflex camera.

 Of course now all outstanding conclusion, as the latest news is that
 the current Patriot insufficient funds, creating single-lens reflex is
 not a simple matter, we mention it, and so on. The other hand, our
 friend the other side of the national character can be really strong,
 regardless of all on the strength of large, network DSLR scored the
 hills. Will be 10, because the national character of the momentum,
 China's consumers to buy the DSLR loved it
   
 That certainly clarifies things.

 Cotty wrote:
 
 Have a look at the third product down on this Chinese Engadget page and
 tell me I'm dreaming...

 http://chinese.engadget.com/category/digitalcameras/page/2/

 Deja vu or what?

 for ref:

 http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/prototypes/MZ-D.html




   
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RE: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-14 Thread Bob W
Do you want soy sauce with your hat? 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Cotty
 Sent: 14 May 2008 11:47
 To: pentax list
 Subject: MZ-D Shock
 
 Have a look at the third product down on this Chinese 
 Engadget page and
 tell me I'm dreaming...
 
 http://chinese.engadget.com/category/digitalcameras/page/2/
 
 Deja vu or what?
 
 for ref:
 
 http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/prototypes/MZ-D.html
 
 
 
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Re: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-14 Thread Bob Sullivan
Shouldn't we send this over to the Pentax 'THE SKY IS FALLING' list
with a short note.

Pentax/Hoya/Samsung are making an end run into the full frame DSLR business.
This is an early production sample of the K1.
The copy about Leica lenses is just a smoke screen.
Look at that lens mount.  It's a Pentax K!
This camera will be full frame and incorporate GPS (ala the Microsoft
partnership).

Pentax/Hoya are busy on new lens designs.
Samsung/Microsoft are working the bugs out of chips and software.
It will all be available for next Christmas.

Regards, Bob S.

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:20 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well lets see, they stole the picture of another manufactures prototype
 to represent the new product, and claimed it would be compatible with
 Leica lenses.  Either the  translation is completely Fd up or Aigo
 should be using their press releases to fertilize rice fields.  I'm
 betting on the latter.

 Patrick Genovese wrote:
 Given the short register distance of a Leica M mount I simply can't
 see how a dslr could be possible.. Where would the mirror box fit ?

 On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:31 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It seems to be the picture of the Pentax K1, (which may or may not have
 been a Photoshop alteration of the MZ-D), posted on another Camera
 speculation site modified still further.  I translated the text with
 google for what it's worth here it is.


 Map spread on the Internet is the Patriot Aigo first digital
 single-lens reflex camera DSLR work style plans (obviously
 non-official, readers have responded to images of), we all know that
 the Patriot has been creating digital cameras to inexpensive as a
 criterion, If they successfully launched DSLR, it will become China's
 first DSLR camera.

 According to hearsay: The CCD camera will not be lower than the same
 period of the DSLR, and the fuselage will be used as reasons for the
 cost of plastic; fuselage interface, known as Patriot will be used
 jointly developed with Carl Zeiss AG to the I will be compatible with
 the Leica M-mouth, while Carl Zeiss will also develop a series of new
 DSLR single-lens reflex camera.

 Of course now all outstanding conclusion, as the latest news is that
 the current Patriot insufficient funds, creating single-lens reflex is
 not a simple matter, we mention it, and so on. The other hand, our
 friend the other side of the national character can be really strong,
 regardless of all on the strength of large, network DSLR scored the
 hills. Will be 10, because the national character of the momentum,
 China's consumers to buy the DSLR loved it

 That certainly clarifies things.

 Cotty wrote:

 Have a look at the third product down on this Chinese Engadget page and
 tell me I'm dreaming...

 http://chinese.engadget.com/category/digitalcameras/page/2/

 Deja vu or what?

 for ref:

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Re: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-14 Thread Adam Maas
Non-technical idiots conflating 'Large sensor interchangable lens
digital' with 'DSLR'. This sounds like a description of the rumoured
Zeiss Ikon Digital RF.

-Adam

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Patrick Genovese
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Given the short register distance of a Leica M mount I simply can't
  see how a dslr could be possible.. Where would the mirror box fit ?



  On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:31 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   It seems to be the picture of the Pentax K1, (which may or may not have
   been a Photoshop alteration of the MZ-D), posted on another Camera
   speculation site modified still further.  I translated the text with
   google for what it's worth here it is.
  
   Map spread on the Internet is the Patriot Aigo first digital
   single-lens reflex camera DSLR work style plans (obviously
   non-official, readers have responded to images of), we all know that
   the Patriot has been creating digital cameras to inexpensive as a
   criterion, If they successfully launched DSLR, it will become China's
   first DSLR camera.
  
   According to hearsay: The CCD camera will not be lower than the same
   period of the DSLR, and the fuselage will be used as reasons for the
   cost of plastic; fuselage interface, known as Patriot will be used
   jointly developed with Carl Zeiss AG to the I will be compatible with
   the Leica M-mouth, while Carl Zeiss will also develop a series of new
   DSLR single-lens reflex camera.
  
   Of course now all outstanding conclusion, as the latest news is that
   the current Patriot insufficient funds, creating single-lens reflex is
   not a simple matter, we mention it, and so on. The other hand, our
   friend the other side of the national character can be really strong,
   regardless of all on the strength of large, network DSLR scored the
   hills. Will be 10, because the national character of the momentum,
   China's consumers to buy the DSLR loved it
   That certainly clarifies things.
  
   Cotty wrote:
   Have a look at the third product down on this Chinese Engadget page and
   tell me I'm dreaming...
  
   http://chinese.engadget.com/category/digitalcameras/page/2/
  
   Deja vu or what?
  
   for ref:
  
   http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/prototypes/MZ-D.html
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-14 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Wed, 14 May 2008 18:20:42 +0200 schreef P. J. Alling  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

I do like the transformer camera further down the page, though :o)

 Well lets see, they stole the picture of another manufactures prototype
 to represent the new product, and claimed it would be compatible with
 Leica lenses.  Either the  translation is completely Fd up or Aigo
 should be using their press releases to fertilize rice fields.  I'm
 betting on the latter.

 Patrick Genovese wrote:
 Given the short register distance of a Leica M mount I simply can't
 see how a dslr could be possible.. Where would the mirror box fit ?

 On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:31 PM, P. J. Alling  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It seems to be the picture of the Pentax K1, (which may or may not have
 been a Photoshop alteration of the MZ-D), posted on another Camera
 speculation site modified still further.  I translated the text with
 google for what it's worth here it is.


 Map spread on the Internet is the Patriot Aigo first digital
 single-lens reflex camera DSLR work style plans (obviously
 non-official, readers have responded to images of), we all know that
 the Patriot has been creating digital cameras to inexpensive as a
 criterion, If they successfully launched DSLR, it will become China's
 first DSLR camera.

 According to hearsay: The CCD camera will not be lower than the same
 period of the DSLR, and the fuselage will be used as reasons for the
 cost of plastic; fuselage interface, known as Patriot will be used
 jointly developed with Carl Zeiss AG to the I will be compatible with
 the Leica M-mouth, while Carl Zeiss will also develop a series of new
 DSLR single-lens reflex camera.

 Of course now all outstanding conclusion, as the latest news is that
 the current Patriot insufficient funds, creating single-lens reflex is
 not a simple matter, we mention it, and so on. The other hand, our
 friend the other side of the national character can be really strong,
 regardless of all on the strength of large, network DSLR scored the
 hills. Will be 10, because the national character of the momentum,
 China's consumers to buy the DSLR loved it

 That certainly clarifies things.

 Cotty wrote:

 Have a look at the third product down on this Chinese Engadget page  
 and
 tell me I'm dreaming...

 http://chinese.engadget.com/category/digitalcameras/page/2/

 Deja vu or what?

 for ref:

 http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/prototypes/MZ-D.html





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Re: MZ-D Shock

2008-05-14 Thread keith_w
Cotty wrote:
 Have a look at the third product down on this Chinese Engadget page and
 tell me I'm dreaming...
 
 http://chinese.engadget.com/category/digitalcameras/page/2/
 
 Deja vu or what?
 
 for ref:
 
 http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/prototypes/MZ-D.html

Oh yes! Identrical!  ;-)

keith

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