MZ-S Data imprinting (WAS: RE: MZ-S Film-rewind Problem) - SOLVED
To anyone that's still interested! Thank you to all the people who responded to this question - very useful. Experiment: I thought I'd give a quick update based on the test I finally got round to performing: 1. Set the MZ-S NOT to fully pull a completed film back into the canister 2. Take a manufacturer-rolled Delta400 (DX-coded) film and shoot 10 shots 3. Rewind the film 4. Using a dark bag, pull these shots out into a tank and expose - leave some leader on the unexposed part of the film 5. Shoot the rest of the film - but DON'T rewind it 6. Using a dark bag pull these shots straight out of the back of the camera into a tank and expose 7. Check the difference Rationale: The reason for running the test in this way is that it eliminates everything that I've had suggested as a possible cause of the imprinting problem i.e. DX/non-DX coding, film-type, film-batch etc. If the first part imprints and and the other doesn't you KNOW that it's being printed on the rewind - there are no more variables (except the shape of the leader - I can't think that this has anything to do with anything - particularly as others a bulk loading without error). Results: Sure enough, all those people who stated that the data imprinting is done on the rewind were bang on the money. It was the failed rewind that was the problem NOT the failed imprint. Conclusion: Dodgy canisters? Not sure - was using plastic Jessops cannisters and someone did say they'd seen problems with them sticking. Have now run a dozen or so steel canisters from bulk without a problem. I will run some more tests on this as it may just be that I am being much more careful now with rolling and loading ;-) Footnote: I am a bit disappointed that Pentax misguided me (I deliberately prodded around the topic with their UK 'expert' and he ASSURED me that they imprinting was done on shot - not rewind.) However, I would like to stop sounding moaning for 2 seconds to say how much I LOVE the MZ-S - it is an absolute joy to use (although I am still learning to get the best out of it) - a friend of mine has recently got a Dynax7 (too many menus!!!) so I'll be intrigued to do some comparison. I know it's one loads of awards but I like the ergonomics of the MZ-S - SOMEONE HAS CLEARLY THOUGHT ABOUT SOMEONE QUITE IMPORTANT - THE USER! This may sound obvious but it is all too rare. Cheers P. Paul Wilkinson ELA Digital Content Service Centre of Excellence 1 Kingsway, London DDI: +44 (0) 207 844 7935 Mob: +44 (0) 7973 489 353 This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Data imprinting (WAS: RE: MZ-S Film-rewind Problem) - SOLVED
paul, Thanks for the extensive test. From your results, I'm guessing that Mid-roll change will work with data imprinting because the body would know how many frames it skipped. If you used the old method -fire until the right frame (kept dark of course), would probably double imprint the first portion of the roll. I, too, love the MZ-S. It is a joy to use! Bruce Dayton Thursday, December 13, 2001, 7:17:04 AM, you wrote: pxwac To anyone that's still interested! pxwac Thank you to all the people who responded to this question - very useful. pxwac Experiment: pxwac I thought I'd give a quick update based on the test I finally got round to pxwac performing: pxwac 1. Set the MZ-S NOT to fully pull a completed film back into the canister pxwac 2. Take a manufacturer-rolled Delta400 (DX-coded) film and shoot 10 shots pxwac 3. Rewind the film pxwac 4. Using a dark bag, pull these shots out into a tank and expose - leave pxwac some leader on the unexposed part of the film pxwac 5. Shoot the rest of the film - but DON'T rewind it pxwac 6. Using a dark bag pull these shots straight out of the back of the pxwac camera into a tank and expose pxwac 7. Check the difference pxwac Rationale: pxwac The reason for running the test in this way is that it eliminates pxwac everything that I've had suggested as a possible cause of the imprinting pxwac problem i.e. DX/non-DX coding, film-type, film-batch etc. If the first pxwac part imprints and and the other doesn't you KNOW that it's being printed on pxwac the rewind - there are no more variables (except the shape of the leader - pxwac I can't think that this has anything to do with anything - particularly as pxwac others a bulk loading without error). pxwac Results: pxwac Sure enough, all those people who stated that the data imprinting is done pxwac on the rewind were bang on the money. It was the failed rewind that was pxwac the problem NOT the failed imprint. pxwac Conclusion: pxwac Dodgy canisters? Not sure - was using plastic Jessops cannisters and pxwac someone did say they'd seen problems with them sticking. Have now run a pxwac dozen or so steel canisters from bulk without a problem. I will run some pxwac more tests on this as it may just be that I am being much more careful now pxwac with rolling and loading ;-) pxwac Footnote: pxwac I am a bit disappointed that Pentax misguided me (I deliberately prodded pxwac around the topic with their UK 'expert' and he ASSURED me that they pxwac imprinting was done on shot - not rewind.) However, I would like to stop pxwac sounding moaning for 2 seconds to say how much I LOVE the MZ-S - it is an pxwac absolute joy to use (although I am still learning to get the best out of pxwac it) - a friend of mine has recently got a Dynax7 (too many menus!!!) so pxwac I'll be intrigued to do some comparison. I know it's one loads of awards pxwac but I like the ergonomics of the MZ-S - SOMEONE HAS CLEARLY THOUGHT ABOUT pxwac SOMEONE QUITE IMPORTANT - THE USER! This may sound obvious but it is pxwac all too rare. pxwac Cheers pxwac P. pxwac Paul Wilkinson pxwac ELA Digital Content Service Centre of Excellence pxwac 1 Kingsway, London pxwac DDI: +44 (0) 207 844 7935 pxwac Mob: +44 (0) 7973 489 353 pxwac This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain pxwac privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have pxwac received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the pxwac original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. pxwac - pxwac This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, pxwac go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to pxwac visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Data imprinting (WAS: RE: MZ-S Film-rewind Problem) - SOLVED
This is why the MZ-S has the dial-in the first frame number feature. If it didn't and you used the conventional lens-cap-on, 1/6000th at f/22 technique, the original imprinting would be overwritten with the above data. Regards Jim Christien Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for sharing. Worrysome that it imprints on rewind. What happens if you change the film using MRC ? Does it imprint there up to the last frame shot on that role ?? Does it continue when the role is reused ? Things to think about. Chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Data imprinting (WAS: RE: MZ-S Film-rewind Problem) - SOLVED
Great!!. Another good reason to get the MZ-S :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is why the MZ-S has the dial-in the first frame number feature. If it didn't and you used the conventional lens-cap-on, 1/6000th at f/22 technique, the original imprinting would be overwritten with the above data. Regards Jim Christien Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for sharing. Worrysome that it imprints on rewind. What happens if you change the film using MRC ? Does it imprint there up to the last frame shot on that role ?? Does it continue when the role is reused ? Things to think about. Chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
