Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ???
Bill, Build quality for me was a *major* factor in deciding to buy one. My PZ-1ps have served me well. But I would like an LX like (build quality) modern AF camera. The MZ-S is that camera in the Pentax line. I look forward to receiving mine soon. Bruce Dayton Sacramento, CA - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 3:01 PM Subject: Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ??? - Original Message - From: Paul Jones Subject: Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ??? yeah, just like the a PZ1p Would be more successful if it were sold for $300. I am sort of curious about this price point thing. The talk has been completely about price to obvious features, such as top shutter speed or flash sync or number of focus points, etc. Nothing has ever been mentioned about setting price according to build quality, or what would be a reasonable mark up based on cost to produce vs. expected sales over the life of the product. Especially build quality, from what I have heard on this list, the MZ-S build quality is better than the cameras it is supposed to be competing with. Build quality does cost money. Magnesium alloy costs more than aluminium or steel to produce, and a metal skin costs more than a plastic one. I don't think we can even begin to compare the pricing of a camera with the build of the MZ-S against the build of plastic competitors. At least, not logically. William Robb Remember, the LX Gallery is coming up. Please see: http://pug.komkon.org/LX_Gallery/LX_Submit.html for more information. Submission deadline is June 30, 2001 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ???
So a regular sale price of $849.95 to $899.95 would appear to be where we're heading. For European Pentax enthusiasts it may be interesting that Audiophil Foto (http://www.internet-foto.de/) in Aachen (Aix-la-Chapelle) lists the MZ-S at 1949 DM (860 US$). Arnold - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: MZ-S Price Stabilization ???
As a former studio photographer (Hartford, CT and NYC) - I stopped buying high end stuff (Nikon and Blad) from the locals because they are too high, can't stock, and usually unable or unwilling to remedy their mistakes. Bot a ton of stuff from 47th st photo a hundred years ago and am now buying happily from BH. BTW, I am buying used gear from BH (lots of Pentax 67), and finding that when you disagree with them on the condition of the gear, they will negotiate or happily take it back for credit which appears very promptly on your credit card. One caveat - I strongly suspect what they call a demo piece is really just a cherry used item which they guarantee, but what the heck if the price is right. Anther comment - These Pentax 67 cameras are really a good deal. Well built, fun to use, and they produces some really sharp stuff. I shoot mostly outdoors. Still think I would want the Blads if I was doing studio stuff tho. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Brogden Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ??? On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Aaron Reynolds wrote: I've heard lots of complaints over the years on this list that it's hard to find places that stock the good stuff from Pentax on the shelves, where you can come in and look at it and shop. Well, ordering mail-order is the best way to ensure that the situation gets worse. Hear, hear! I second everything that Aaron said. It's a vicious circle. Local stores aren't as likely to carry the more expensive stuff because very few people buy it, and those who do often use mail-order instead. If local stores see that they can actually sell upper-end items, there's more reason for them to stock them as a matter of course, meaning that you get more fun stuff to play with when you browse there. Would I pay a premium for shopping locally? Definitely, because of the many, many advantages. And if the local shop is *way* more expensive, then try talking to them. Explain the situation, show them what other places are selling the item for, and see if there's some way they can meet you in the middle, or at least give you a good deal on some other stuff. Believe me, they're not getting rich selling you cameras. There's a ridiculously low mark-up on cameras, and most local stores can only survive because of their photofinishing. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: MZ-S Price Stabilization ???
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Chuck Riccardo wrote: As a former studio photographer (Hartford, CT and NYC) - I stopped buying high end stuff (Nikon and Blad) from the locals because they are too high, By how much? Are they negotiable? It's nice to be able to handle the stuff before you buy it, and that's where local shops come in handy. I see nothing wrong with paying a bit of a premium for local service, since when your cojones are in the figurative vice, local shops are often the only people who can help you out in time. can't stock, And they never will if no one wants to buy stuff from them. Sheesh... vicious circle. While it's nice to want a local shop to carry every single piece of equipment that you might want, it's impractical to expect most of them to. Once you actually start buying stuff from them, they'll see what high-end stuff they can sell and can hopefully start to stock some of those items regularly. and usually unable or unwilling to remedy their mistakes. That's inexcusable. The main advantage of a local shop is the rapport that you can build with them, and if they're doing nothing about their own errors, that's not a good sign. Bot a ton of stuff from 47th st photo a hundred years ago and am now buying happily from BH. BTW, I am buying used gear from BH (lots of Pentax 67), and finding that when you disagree with them on the condition of the gear, they will negotiate or happily take it back for credit which appears very promptly on your credit card. All of which a local shop should be able to do, only quicker. And at least you can see the gear before you buy it. I'm not trying to say that you should never buy from BH, etc., but if you have a decent local shop that genuinely wants your business, you can get an excellent working relationship going by buying some big-ticket items from them. Both types of store have their advantages, but local stores are quickly becoming an endangered species. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ???
Hello And after this analysis, you want me to say that the Pentax MZ-S worth its price ??? Of course it worth but what I mean is that the SLR will be more successful if it was sold at 799$ as a regular price !!! See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dimanche 17 juin 2001 14:18 Subject: MZ-S Price Stabilization ??? BH in NYC originally listed the MZ-S for $999.95. Friday they had a one-day special price of $799.95. And today if you click on the MZ-S more info button they list a price of $899.95. Adorama originally had a special unlisted price of $849.95. They still don't list an official price, but if you request a quote they too are quoting a $899.95 sale price. So it appears if you want an MZ-S in the near future it will cost you $899.95. Of course, neither BH or Adorama currently have the MZ-S in stock. It will be interesting to see if the cost drops again once the camera is actually available. The reaction to the $799.95 special sale price indicates there is a definite market for the MZ-S at that price range. So a regular sale price of $849.95 to $899.95 would appear to be where we're heading. Alexander Grigolia - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ???
yeah, just like the a PZ1p Would be more successful if it were sold for $300. - Original Message - From: Pentax Clover [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 2:52 PM Subject: Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ??? Hello And after this analysis, you want me to say that the Pentax MZ-S worth its price ??? Of course it worth but what I mean is that the SLR will be more successful if it was sold at 799$ as a regular price !!! See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dimanche 17 juin 2001 14:18 Subject: MZ-S Price Stabilization ??? BH in NYC originally listed the MZ-S for $999.95. Friday they had a one-day special price of $799.95. And today if you click on the MZ-S more info button they list a price of $899.95. Adorama originally had a special unlisted price of $849.95. They still don't list an official price, but if you request a quote they too are quoting a $899.95 sale price. So it appears if you want an MZ-S in the near future it will cost you $899.95. Of course, neither BH or Adorama currently have the MZ-S in stock. It will be interesting to see if the cost drops again once the camera is actually available. The reaction to the $799.95 special sale price indicates there is a definite market for the MZ-S at that price range. So a regular sale price of $849.95 to $899.95 would appear to be where we're heading. Alexander Grigolia - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ???
- Original Message - From: Paul Jones Subject: Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ??? yeah, just like the a PZ1p Would be more successful if it were sold for $300. I am sort of curious about this price point thing. The talk has been completely about price to obvious features, such as top shutter speed or flash sync or number of focus points, etc. Nothing has ever been mentioned about setting price according to build quality, or what would be a reasonable mark up based on cost to produce vs. expected sales over the life of the product. Especially build quality, from what I have heard on this list, the MZ-S build quality is better than the cameras it is supposed to be competing with. Build quality does cost money. Magnesium alloy costs more than aluminium or steel to produce, and a metal skin costs more than a plastic one. I don't think we can even begin to compare the pricing of a camera with the build of the MZ-S against the build of plastic competitors. At least, not logically. William Robb Remember, the LX Gallery is coming up. Please see: http://pug.komkon.org/LX_Gallery/LX_Submit.html for more information. Submission deadline is June 30, 2001 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ???
At $799 has a profit so I do expect the price to stabilize there when there are adequate supplies unless there is a great demand and they want to take advantage of the demand. ___MKR___ At 11:52 PM 6/17/01 +0200, Pentax Clover wrote: Hello And after this analysis, you want me to say that the Pentax MZ-S worth its price ??? Of course it worth but what I mean is that the SLR will be more successful if it was sold at 799$ as a regular price !!! See you [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Price Stabilization ???
If they were able to do $800, that mean they could still make enough profit at that price point. I would expect the price will drop below $800 eventually, if you wait long enough (1 year?). Besides, I don't think the MZ-S would be a big hit in the US. regards, Alan Chan BH in NYC originally listed the MZ-S for $999.95. Friday they had a one-day special price of $799.95. And today if you click on the MZ-S more info button they list a price of $899.95. Adorama originally had a special unlisted price of $849.95. They still don't list an official price, but if you request a quote they too are quoting a $899.95 sale price. So it appears if you want an MZ-S in the near future it will cost you $899.95. Of course, neither BH or Adorama currently have the MZ-S in stock. It will be interesting to see if the cost drops again once the camera is actually available. The reaction to the $799.95 special sale price indicates there is a definite market for the MZ-S at that price range. So a regular sale price of $849.95 to $899.95 would appear to be where we're heading. Alexander Grigolia _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
