Re: Re: Negs and scratches
Thanks Paul. Thats what i did,position and close.Hu might be something else then. Any experience with that no scratchchemical.Does it work or just wreck the neg. Dave Begin Original Message From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 17:12:18 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Negs and scratches There's no reason why you should scratch negs in an enlarger. Any time you position a neg in the film carrier, it should be lifted by the edged and dropped in place before the carrier is closed. Never, ever pull film through the carrier. Paul Stenquist Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Re: Negs and scratches
Now that i think of it,both frames were end frames and did seem to 'wiggle' a tad.Might be what happened.I'm hoping to use a different enlarger next week and i'll be more carefull and observent. Thanks everyone who answered. Dave Begin Original Message From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 23:11:16 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Negs and scratches I still can't imagine how one could scratch a neg in the enlarger unless the film is being pulled through the carrier. That should never be done. It's simple: lift the film by the edges and position it in the carrier. Nothing comes in contact with the emulsion. Nothing can scratch it. Herb Chong wrote: Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There's no reason why you should scratch negs in an enlarger. Any time you position a neg in the film carrier, it should be lifted by the edged and dropped in place before the carrier is closed. Never, ever pull film through the carrier. Paul Stenquist no reason doesn't mean accidents don't happen. i can't remember the last time i scratched a negative in a carrier, it has been so long, but nonetheless, i don't do it anymore. every time film is handled, there is a chance for damage, even with your own equipment. Herb End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Negs and scratches
You're welcome. It could be that the negative was scratched in the camera before you processed the film. If it's near the end of the roll, the scratch could have occured in the developing tank if the film was miswound on the reel. And, as some members have noted, it is even possible to scratch a neg while pulling it in or out of a film sleeve. I have no experience with no scratch chemicals. However, using a hardening fixer will help prevent scratches. Paul David Brooks wrote: Thanks Paul. Thats what i did,position and close.Hu might be something else then. Any experience with that no scratchchemical.Does it work or just wreck the neg. Dave Begin Original Message From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 17:12:18 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Negs and scratches There's no reason why you should scratch negs in an enlarger. Any time you position a neg in the film carrier, it should be lifted by the edged and dropped in place before the carrier is closed. Never, ever pull film through the carrier. Paul Stenquist Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Re: Negs and scratches
thanks Paul. Dave Begin Original Message From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 17:27:39 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Negs and scratches You're welcome. It could be that the negative was scratched in the camera before you processed the film. If it's near the end of the roll, the scratch could have occured in the developing tank if the film was miswound on the reel. And, as some members have noted, it is even possible to scratch a neg while pulling it in or out of a film sleeve. I have no experience with no scratch chemicals. However, using a hardening fixer will help prevent scratches. Paul David Brooks wrote: Thanks Paul. Thats what i did,position and close.Hu might be something else then. Any experience with that no scratchchemical.Does it work or just wreck the neg. Dave Begin Original Message From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 17:12:18 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Negs and scratches There's no reason why you should scratch negs in an enlarger. Any time you position a neg in the film carrier, it should be lifted by the edged and dropped in place before the carrier is closed. Never, ever pull film through the carrier. Paul Stenquist Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
RE: Negs and scratches
Weird, I've never scratched a neg in my enlarger. Some of my negs do have very fine scratches from whatever, but I can't generally see them on the prints because I have a diffuse light source. You're probably using a condensor head, which will often accentuate any dust or scratch problems. If the carriers were ok last week, but this week you're seeing a problem, I'm wondering if you didn't damage them in-between. How are you storing and handling them? Just taking them in and out of print file sleeves can introduce fine scratches, generally along the entire strip. Is this what you're seeing? If it were the carrier, I would expect shorter scratches. It couldn't hurt to try the anti-scratch stuff on a crappy neg. Some folks just use a little nose grease on the non-emulsion side. -- Thomas Van Veen Photography www.bigdayphoto.com 301-758-3085 -Original Message- From: David Brooks [mailto:brooks_dee;canoemail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Negs and scratches Well i'm sure i'm not the only one who scratches negs in an enlarger(did it ti 2 last night in class)I handled them as delicatly as conditions allowed,but was curious as to what i may do in the future to help eliminate,or curb them. The equipment is high school Bessler 35 enlargers and look in ok shape.I used the same station as last week,and no damage then. The carriers are metal and look clean. Any suggestions. Also the instuctor said i could buy a product called 'no scratch' from any of the big camera stores to help in the removal.Do they work or do they destroy the frame. Dave(who HAD some nice prints last night) BTW picked up the Ilford square filters and boy do they make a difference in the IR prints.Bring out the hihlights,improve contrast etc. Best $19.99 i spent recently.:) Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: RE: Negs and scratches
tOM. One strip of cn had 3 deep scratches along the bottom.I dont knowe if the equipment did it or not.The other had a lighter but visible scratch along the hand of a guitar player that i printed last week fine,this week not fine. I store them in the plastic sleeves that i put in a binder,away from the cats(for WW:)) Its the same carrier, as i regognized the bent clip. It could be from taking them in and out.I just was suspicious as just about everything i did last nigh was flawed.My first print was ok though. Good ting i hv a cod now:) Dave Begin Original Message From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:45:41 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Negs and scratches Weird, I've never scratched a neg in my enlarger. Some of my negs do have very fine scratches from whatever, but I can't generally see them on the prints because I have a diffuse light source. You're probably using a condensor head, which will often accentuate any dust or scratch problems. If the carriers were ok last week, but this week you're seeing a problem, I'm wondering if you didn't damage them in-between. How are you storing and handling them? Just taking them in and out of print file sleeves can introduce fine scratches, generally along the entire strip. Is this what you're seeing? If it were the carrier, I would expect shorter scratches. It couldn't hurt to try the anti-scratch stuff on a crappy neg. Some folks just use a little nose grease on the non-emulsion side. -- Thomas Van Veen Photography www.bigdayphoto.com 301-758-3085 -Original Message- From: David Brooks [mailto:brooks_dee;canoemail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Negs and scratches Well i'm sure i'm not the only one who scratches negs in an enlarger(did it ti 2 last night in class)I handled them as delicatly as conditions allowed,but was curious as to what i may do in the future to help eliminate,or curb them. The equipment is high school Bessler 35 enlargers and look in ok shape.I used the same station as last week,and no damage then. The carriers are metal and look clean. Any suggestions. Also the instuctor said i could buy a product called 'no scratch' from any of the big camera stores to help in the removal.Do they work or do they destroy the frame. Dave(who HAD some nice prints last night) BTW picked up the Ilford square filters and boy do they make a difference in the IR prints.Bring out the hihlights,improve contrast etc. Best $19.99 i spent recently.:) Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: RE: Negs and scratches
there are 3 sources of scratches, the reel, the neg carrier ( only if your not careful ) and you. --- David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tOM. One strip of cn had 3 deep scratches along the bottom.I dont knowe if the equipment did it or not.The other had a lighter but visible scratch along the hand of a guitar player that i printed last week fine,this week not fine. I store them in the plastic sleeves that i put in a binder,away from the cats(for WW:)) Its the same carrier, as i regognized the bent clip. It could be from taking them in and out.I just was suspicious as just about everything i did last nigh was flawed.My first print was ok though. Good ting i hv a cod now:) Dave Begin Original Message From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:45:41 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Negs and scratches Weird, I've never scratched a neg in my enlarger. Some of my negs do have very fine scratches from whatever, but I can't generally see them on the prints because I have a diffuse light source. You're probably using a condensor head, which will often accentuate any dust or scratch problems. If the carriers were ok last week, but this week you're seeing a problem, I'm wondering if you didn't damage them in-between. How are you storing and handling them? Just taking them in and out of print file sleeves can introduce fine scratches, generally along the entire strip. Is this what you're seeing? If it were the carrier, I would expect shorter scratches. It couldn't hurt to try the anti-scratch stuff on a crappy neg. Some folks just use a little nose grease on the non-emulsion side. -- Thomas Van Veen Photography www.bigdayphoto.com 301-758-3085 -Original Message- From: David Brooks [mailto:brooks_dee;canoemail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Negs and scratches Well i'm sure i'm not the only one who scratches negs in an enlarger(did it ti 2 last night in class)I handled them as delicatly as conditions allowed,but was curious as to what i may do in the future to help eliminate,or curb them. The equipment is high school Bessler 35 enlargers and look in ok shape.I used the same station as last week,and no damage then. The carriers are metal and look clean. Any suggestions. Also the instuctor said i could buy a product called 'no scratch' from any of the big camera stores to help in the removal.Do they work or do they destroy the frame. Dave(who HAD some nice prints last night) BTW picked up the Ilford square filters and boy do they make a difference in the IR prints.Bring out the hihlights,improve contrast etc. Best $19.99 i spent recently.:) Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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Thats the shiny side right. Dave Begin Original Message From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] on the non-emulsion side. Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
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On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, David Brooks wrote: Good ting i hv a cod now:) You have cod? I could really go for some fish 'n chips... -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio.
Re: Negs and scratches
There's no reason why you should scratch negs in an enlarger. Any time you position a neg in the film carrier, it should be lifted by the edged and dropped in place before the carrier is closed. Never, ever pull film through the carrier. Paul Stenquist Herb Chong wrote: Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Well i'm sure i'm not the only one who scratches negs in an enlarger(did it ti 2 last night in class)I handled them as delicatly as conditions allowed,but was curious as to what i may do in the future to help eliminate,or curb them. scan and never work with the negatives again. every time out of the sleeve is another chance for damage. Herb
Re: Negs and scratches
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There's no reason why you should scratch negs in an enlarger. Any time you position a neg in the film carrier, it should be lifted by the edged and dropped in place before the carrier is closed. Never, ever pull film through the carrier. Paul Stenquist no reason doesn't mean accidents don't happen. i can't remember the last time i scratched a negative in a carrier, it has been so long, but nonetheless, i don't do it anymore. every time film is handled, there is a chance for damage, even with your own equipment. Herb
RE: Negs and scratches
Dave, I used to find that I had to release the pressure plate in the negative carrier slightly when moving the negatives along to reduce the possibility of scratching them. No matter how smooth the surfaces, there would always seem to be a little bit of grit somewhere! For small scratches, try this old trick - rub your finger on the side of your nose, then onto the neg you're printing; fills the scratches with nose grease! HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia On Friday, November 08, 2002 2:49 AM, David Brooks [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Well i'm sure i'm not the only one who scratches negs in an enlarger(did it ti 2 last night in class)I handled them as delicatly as conditions allowed,but was curious as to what i may do in the future to help eliminate,or curb them. The equipment is high school Bessler 35 enlargers and look in ok shape.I used the same station as last week,and no damage then. The carriers are metal and look clean. Any suggestions. Also the instuctor said i could buy a product called 'no scratch' from any of the big camera stores to help in the removal.Do they work or do they destroy the frame. Dave(who HAD some nice prints last night) BTW picked up the Ilford square filters and boy do they make a difference in the IR prints.Bring out the hihlights,improve contrast etc. Best $19.99 i spent recently.:) Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Negs and scratches
Don't move the negatives along through the film carrier! Open the carrier, lift the negative, and position it to the next frame. That is how these carriers are meant to be used. Just because it's possible to pull the film through the carriers doesn't mean that one should do that. Paul John Coyle wrote: Dave, I used to find that I had to release the pressure plate in the negative carrier slightly when moving the negatives along to reduce the possibility of scratching them. No matter how smooth the surfaces, there would always seem to be a little bit of grit somewhere! For small scratches, try this old trick - rub your finger on the side of your nose, then onto the neg you're printing; fills the scratches with nose grease! HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia On Friday, November 08, 2002 2:49 AM, David Brooks [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Well i'm sure i'm not the only one who scratches negs in an enlarger(did it ti 2 last night in class)I handled them as delicatly as conditions allowed,but was curious as to what i may do in the future to help eliminate,or curb them. The equipment is high school Bessler 35 enlargers and look in ok shape.I used the same station as last week,and no damage then. The carriers are metal and look clean. Any suggestions. Also the instuctor said i could buy a product called 'no scratch' from any of the big camera stores to help in the removal.Do they work or do they destroy the frame. Dave(who HAD some nice prints last night) BTW picked up the Ilford square filters and boy do they make a difference in the IR prints.Bring out the hihlights,improve contrast etc. Best $19.99 i spent recently.:) Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/ http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail
Re: Negs and scratches
I still can't imagine how one could scratch a neg in the enlarger unless the film is being pulled through the carrier. That should never be done. It's simple: lift the film by the edges and position it in the carrier. Nothing comes in contact with the emulsion. Nothing can scratch it. Herb Chong wrote: Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There's no reason why you should scratch negs in an enlarger. Any time you position a neg in the film carrier, it should be lifted by the edged and dropped in place before the carrier is closed. Never, ever pull film through the carrier. Paul Stenquist no reason doesn't mean accidents don't happen. i can't remember the last time i scratched a negative in a carrier, it has been so long, but nonetheless, i don't do it anymore. every time film is handled, there is a chance for damage, even with your own equipment. Herb
Re: Negs and scratches
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I still can't imagine how one could scratch a neg in the enlarger unless the film is being pulled through the carrier. That should never be done. It's simple: lift the film by the edges and position it in the carrier. Nothing comes in contact with the emulsion. Nothing can scratch it. drop the top of the carrier because you didn't hold it well enough. negative isn't necessarily positioned right then. pull out of the sleeve and something has gotten onto the sleeve. all these have happened. the better the negative or slide, the more often you print with it and the more often it is exposed to damage. nothing properly treated should damage any negative, but as i said earlier, accidents happen. Herb
