Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...
Exactly, Mr. Harley. My boss's father, the former CEO of his family of companies, often says that he would rather have $1 from 1 million people, than he would $1 million dollars from one person. It doesn't take a lot of deep reflection to figure out which is the better business model. Add to that concept $1 per MONTH from a million people and you have now effectively made your business a utility, like the electric bill. One that your subscribers would presumably have a hard time living without. There are exercise/workout businesses now whose entire business model is making their monthly fees so low that people won't quit - even though 80% of their members NEVER come in to workout. What does the business care? They'd rather get their money for nothing (and their chicks for free). Imagine being a software developer and selling a high ticket piece of software. Maybe 3 out of 10 people who want your product will justify the high cost and purchase it. As soon as one version is released you need to start working on the next, with only the revenue of the previous version (and upgrades to it) to support your efforts. How much better would it be to make a subscription model, where 10 out of 10 people who want it could afford your product and you will have a known amount of money coming in next month... and the month after that... that you can use to accurately project costs and profits. The thing I think we all worry about is how high the monthly subscription rate will go, particularly with a product that has virtually no competition like Photoshop. On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:50 AM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2015-04-24 23:45 , Bob W-PDML wrote: A better analogy is photocopying a book rather than buying it, and photocopying it is a lesser crime than stealing it. But still a crime. right, it's a license violation, not a theft i proposed a theory many years ago that Adobe purposely tolerated the widespread pirating of their large collection of fonts because it made their fonts ubiquitous, and it supported their other offerings the subscription model is not so much about license violations, though, it's because it is harder and harder to excite people about buying the next version when their apps are more or less feature-complete; death of print has something to do with it as well; revenue from the apps in Creative Cloud apps was on a long-term revenue slide when the subscription strategy was launched -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2015-04-24 23:45 , Bob W-PDML wrote: A better analogy is photocopying a book rather than buying it, and photocopying it is a lesser crime than stealing it. But still a crime. right, it's a license violation, not a theft i proposed a theory many years ago that Adobe purposely tolerated the widespread pirating of their large collection of fonts because it made their fonts ubiquitous, and it supported their other offerings the subscription model is not so much about license violations, though, it's because it is harder and harder to excite people about buying the next version when their apps are more or less feature-complete; death of print has something to do with it as well; revenue from the apps in Creative Cloud apps was on a long-term revenue slide when the subscription strategy was launched -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com: The thing I think we all worry about is how high the monthly subscription rate will go, particularly with a product that has virtually no competition like Photoshop. I'm not sure that there's no competition. For the Mac platform Serif's recent release, Affinity Photo, seems to be getting good reviews as a Photoshop alternative (I'm not a Mac man so I don't know for sure about that). Even software like Zoner Photo Studio is getting better all the time in raw support. The thing is, though, older versions of Photoshop still do most of the things that newer versions do. Certainly I could live with CS3 if the CC subscription becomes outrageous. Of course, if Adobe lumped their DNG Converter into the CC subscription, that might complicate things with newer cameras. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:50 AM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2015-04-24 23:45 , Bob W-PDML wrote: A better analogy is photocopying a book rather than buying it, and photocopying it is a lesser crime than stealing it. But still a crime. right, it's a license violation, not a theft i proposed a theory many years ago that Adobe purposely tolerated the widespread pirating of their large collection of fonts because it made their fonts ubiquitous, and it supported their other offerings the subscription model is not so much about license violations, though, it's because it is harder and harder to excite people about buying the next version when their apps are more or less feature-complete; death of print has something to do with it as well; revenue from the apps in Creative Cloud apps was on a long-term revenue slide when the subscription strategy was launched -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Apr 25, 2015, at 1:15 am, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: I don't blame Adome for trying to stop piracy. But 99% of their responses make it a pain in the arse for us *legal* users and have NO EFFECT AT ALL on the pirates! In fact, the pirated versions of Photoshop, etc. are blissfully free of the inconveniences and intrusions we legitimate buyers have to put up with (I deal with college students constantly so I'm well aware of what the cracked versions do and don't do). I think of this every time I watch a DVD. http://i.imgur.com/GxzeV.jpg Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 24/04/2015 11:45 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: On 25 Apr 2015, at 01:03, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: The thing is that the people who were using pirated copies of Photoshop, etc. were, for the most part, people who would never have bought it if they couldn't get it free – professionals overwhelmingly buy their software legally. So no matter how many pirated copies were in circulation, Adobe was really losing very little revenue from piracy. I think that's a little disingenuous. It's in the same train of thought of since I will never buy a Ferrari it's OK if I steal one from the dealership. Naturally I disagree with people stealing Photoshop, or Ferraris or whatever else, but the analogy is incorrect since copying a piece of software doesn't deprive anyone else of the software or (assuming the thief would never have bought it) deprive the seller of revenue, whereas if I stole a car the legitimate owner no longer has it and can't get any revenue from it. In that sense I'd say pirating software is a lesser crime than stealing a car. A better analogy is photocopying a book rather than buying it, and photocopying it is a lesser crime than stealing it. But still a crime. B My girlfriend was a little bit pregnant once. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2015-04-23 22:56 , Brian Walters wrote: I snaffled one of the preset macro Takumar's a few years ago. I've been trying it on my Q recently but it's too long for hand-holding on that format. i've got one that lives on my partner's micro-four thirds camera; it was her only lens for a while -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: If 85% or more of what you made was stolen from you, you'd be looking at ways to plug the leaks too. I don't blame Adome for trying to stop piracy. But 99% of their responses make it a pain in the arse for us *legal* users and have NO EFFECT AT ALL on the pirates! In fact, the pirated versions of Photoshop, etc. are blissfully free of the inconveniences and intrusions we legitimate buyers have to put up with (I deal with college students constantly so I'm well aware of what the cracked versions do and don't do). Their goal is admirable but their approach is fundamentally flawed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 23/04/2015 11:58 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting John sesso...@earthlink.net: Adobe are starting to be real ASSHOLES! Starting?? If 85% or more of what you made was stolen from you, you'd be looking at ways to plug the leaks too. I don't have any special love for Adobe, but we are where we are with them for a reason. Actually this is nothing new - I'm surprised they're even offering new camera support etc for CS6. They're really trying to move users to the CC world. I wouldn't be surprised if LR 6 is the last stand-alone version. CS6 is apparently the last stand alone version of Photoshop, so I wouldn't be surprised if Lightroom goes the same way. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If their pricing structure for the previous non-cloud applications were reasonable over the years then they would likely have had far lower piracy rates and a significantly higher purchase volume. On 24 April 2015 at 23:15, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: If 85% or more of what you made was stolen from you, you'd be looking at ways to plug the leaks too. I don't blame Adome for trying to stop piracy. But 99% of their responses make it a pain in the arse for us *legal* users and have NO EFFECT AT ALL on the pirates! In fact, the pirated versions of Photoshop, etc. are blissfully free of the inconveniences and intrusions we legitimate buyers have to put up with (I deal with college students constantly so I'm well aware of what the cracked versions do and don't do). Their goal is admirable but their approach is fundamentally flawed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com: If their pricing structure for the previous non-cloud applications were reasonable over the years then they would likely have had far lower piracy rates and a significantly higher purchase volume. Agreed. At least the CC Subscription price is affordable. Wonder how long that will last? The thing is that the people who were using pirated copies of Photoshop, etc. were, for the most part, people who would never have bought it if they couldn't get it free professionals overwhelmingly buy their software legally. So no matter how many pirated copies were in circulation, Adobe was really losing very little revenue from piracy. I think the subscription model, far from being an attempt to reduce piracy, is a result of Adobe *realizing* that ending piracy would have very little effect on their bottom line and looking for an alternative way to increase revenue. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Hat's off to you: You folks are so much better complainers than I am. Don't be so hard on yourself. You're quite good at complaining about people complaining. :) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 24/04/2015 4:08 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com: If their pricing structure for the previous non-cloud applications were reasonable over the years then they would likely have had far lower piracy rates and a significantly higher purchase volume. Chicken or egg, perhaps? It doesn't matter how something is priced, people will steal it. FFS, the most stolen items from my hardware store cost less than 5 dollars. They could have priced Photoshop for the equivalent of 50 of today's dollars and people would have stolen it, and all Adobe would have succeeded at doing is cheapening their brand. Agreed. At least the CC Subscription price is affordable. Wonder how long that will last? The thing is that the people who were using pirated copies of Photoshop, etc. were, for the most part, people who would never have bought it if they couldn't get it free – professionals overwhelmingly buy their software legally. So no matter how many pirated copies were in circulation, Adobe was really losing very little revenue from piracy. I think that's a little disingenuous. It's in the same train of thought of since I will never buy a Ferrari it's OK if I steal one from the dealership. I think the subscription model, far from being an attempt to reduce piracy, is a result of Adobe *realizing* that ending piracy would have very little effect on their bottom line and looking for an alternative way to increase revenue. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What I find on so many photography lists and forums is that whenever the manufacturers announce something new, people go out of their way to whine, bitch, and moan about the manufacturer, the new product, the old products, the prices, the policies, … whatever. Hat's off to you: You folks are so much better complainers than I am. Me, I am nearly always surprised and delighted when Adobe, Pentax, Leica, Nikon, or Olympus announce a new product. Because my experience has been in nearly all cases that the new product was an improvement on the old, even if I didn't need it. I've not had a lot of time to work with LR6 just yet. But my initial reactions are simple: it's faster at import/export/rendering 1:1, the new panorama/HDR tools are nice, and they continue to offer it as a perpetual license/standalone product *as they said they would.* The five photos I've processed and exported using it look great. I paid my $80, downloaded and installed on two systems, and it's working without a hitch. The rest of the folderol all'y'all are going on about … I don't know what to make of it. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bill wrote: On 24/04/2015 4:08 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: The thing is that the people who were using pirated copies of Photoshop, etc. were, for the most part, people who would never have bought it if they couldn't get it free professionals overwhelmingly buy their software legally. So no matter how many pirated copies were in circulation, Adobe was really losing very little revenue from piracy. I think that's a little disingenuous. It's in the same train of thought of since I will never buy a Ferrari it's OK if I steal one from the dealership. Perhaps I wasn't clear: I'm not saying it's OK, I'm just saying Adobe didn't lose much revenue over it. And I suspect their subscription program is partly because they recognize that, too. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Here's another, and ironic, side effect: The typical person who gets a pirated version of Photoshop is someone who, if he couldn't have acquired an illegal copy of Photoshop, would probably have bought a cheaper image editor. Perhaps Photoshop Elements, but possibly Paint Shop Pro, Photo Paint or whatever. Or perhaps a product that never came to market but might have if not for the availability of free, cracked copies of Photoshop. Bizarrely, one of the things accomplished by pirated copies of Photoshop is to make the market very, very tough for any possible *competitor* to Photoshop. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Hat's off to you: You folks are so much better complainers than I am. Don't be so hard on yourself. You're quite good at complaining about people complaining. :) I've never met a metacomplainer like Godfrey! (Just kidding; I agree with Godfrey. New Lightroom Day is one of my favorite days of the year, and $10/month for Lightroom and Photoshop provides so much capability, for a fraction of what I used to spend on film and processing, that I'm hard pressed to complain about the cost.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 25 Apr 2015, at 01:03, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: The thing is that the people who were using pirated copies of Photoshop, etc. were, for the most part, people who would never have bought it if they couldn't get it free – professionals overwhelmingly buy their software legally. So no matter how many pirated copies were in circulation, Adobe was really losing very little revenue from piracy. I think that's a little disingenuous. It's in the same train of thought of since I will never buy a Ferrari it's OK if I steal one from the dealership. Naturally I disagree with people stealing Photoshop, or Ferraris or whatever else, but the analogy is incorrect since copying a piece of software doesn't deprive anyone else of the software or (assuming the thief would never have bought it) deprive the seller of revenue, whereas if I stole a car the legitimate owner no longer has it and can't get any revenue from it. In that sense I'd say pirating software is a lesser crime than stealing a car. A better analogy is photocopying a book rather than buying it, and photocopying it is a lesser crime than stealing it. But still a crime. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/24/2015 6:08 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com: If their pricing structure for the previous non-cloud applications were reasonable over the years then they would likely have had far lower piracy rates and a significantly higher purchase volume. Agreed. At least the CC Subscription price is affordable. Wonder how long that will last? The thing is that the people who were using pirated copies of Photoshop, etc. were, for the most part, people who would never have bought it if they couldn't get it free – professionals overwhelmingly buy their software legally. So no matter how many pirated copies were in circulation, Adobe was really losing very little revenue from piracy. I think the subscription model, far from being an attempt to reduce piracy, is a result of Adobe *realizing* that ending piracy would have very little effect on their bottom line and looking for an alternative way to increase revenue. I haven't forgotten their login server debacle from last year. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 2:05 AM, Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com wrote: Brian Walters wrote: Actually this is nothing new - I'm surprised they're even offering new camera support etc for CS6. They're really trying to move users to the CC world. I wouldn't be surprised if LR 6 is the last stand-alone version. I'm surprised that LR 6 was offered as a stand-alone product. The day comes shortly where upgrade equals monthly subscription. After that day I'll be moving to Capture One, most likely. My only concern is their slow support for Pentax. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Brian Walters wrote: Actually this is nothing new - I'm surprised they're even offering new camera support etc for CS6. They're really trying to move users to the CC world. I wouldn't be surprised if LR 6 is the last stand-alone version. I'm surprised that LR 6 was offered as a stand-alone product. The day comes shortly where upgrade equals monthly subscription. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com: If their pricing structure for the previous non-cloud applications were reasonable over the years then they would likely have had far lower piracy rates and a significantly higher purchase volume. Agreed. At least the CC Subscription price is affordable. Wonder how long that will last? Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ On 24 April 2015 at 23:15, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: If 85% or more of what you made was stolen from you, you'd be looking at ways to plug the leaks too. I don't blame Adome for trying to stop piracy. But 99% of their responses make it a pain in the arse for us *legal* users and have NO EFFECT AT ALL on the pirates! In fact, the pirated versions of Photoshop, etc. are blissfully free of the inconveniences and intrusions we legitimate buyers have to put up with (I deal with college students constantly so I'm well aware of what the cracked versions do and don't do). Their goal is admirable but their approach is fundamentally flawed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Interesting images. A few years ago I experimented with the DFA100 and the 1.7x TC and also found it to be a very good combination. The Kiron MC7 2x that I also tried was not as good. The 2:1 macro is very tempting but for me it falls between niches. I would like to use it in the field where being able to focus from infinity to 2:1 would be great - but for field work I would want at least an A compatible lens to allow for open aperture metering and P-TTL flash. The Venus seems to be K compatible only, not KA. In the studio I don't care about open aperture metering or P-TTL flash - in fact the pre-flash on P-TTL interferes with setting up slave flashes with optical triggers so I usually wind up just using manual flash anyhow. But then - in the studio the infinity to 2:1 focus range is not important - the magnification can be customized using tubes, bellows, etc. Mark On 4/22/2015 11:30 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: It is indeed a rather interesting lens. Thanks for posting the info. As for 2:1, I am thinking about how often it gets practical (for me). I've used the D-FA 100/2.8 with 1.7x for a few things like a fruit-fly caught by a spider, etc. I know that when I tried to stack 2x on top of that it was too much (and the image was degraded - probably too much glass and it might also be that I was hitting the diffraction limit from the effective aperture). I posted a few photos back in 2007: http://komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Raspberries/100-2_0x-1_7x/IMGP9608.jpg http://komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Raspberries/100-2_0x-1_7x/IMGP9609.jpg The quality of the shots taken with DFA 100/2.8 + x1.7 was reasonable (you may like or dislike the photos themselves- different people had different view on the composition,etc.): http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Raspberries/IMGP9503.jpg http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Raspberries/IMGP9527.jpg Here is the old message describing those: https://www.mail-archive.com/pdml%40pdml.net/msg422565.html So, yes, I would benefit from that lens occasionally.. But not sure, - how often. Cheers, Igor On 4/22/2015 6:54 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Tempting indeed. I think that all PK users should get one before the realize that the cool kids don't make their lenses in a PK mount. Reading about it, it is also funny how many people think that 1:2 is the same as 2:1. Pentax made only one macro lens that does 1:1 and that was the old preset Macro-Takumar. The rest are all 1:2. This lens (at 2:1) is 4x that. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2015-04-22 19:42 , Mark Roberts wrote: All the 100mm f/2.8 macro lenses (A, F, FA and D-FA) did 1:1 magnification. As did the A 200/4.0 macro and the FA 200/4.0 Macro. and DA 35/2.8 Macro is also spec'd as 1:1 now i'm wondering which Pentax macro primes *aren't* 1:1 ? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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steve harley wrote: On 2015-04-22 19:42 , Mark Roberts wrote: All the 100mm f/2.8 macro lenses (A, F, FA and D-FA) did 1:1 magnification. As did the A 200/4.0 macro and the FA 200/4.0 Macro. and DA 35/2.8 Macro is also spec'd as 1:1 now i'm wondering which Pentax macro primes *aren't* 1:1 ? Mostly the 50mm ones and the old, third-party 100mm f/3.5 -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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All 50mm f/4 ones, except the preset Macro Takumar. Also Pentax-M 100mm macro and earlier Pentax 100mm f/4 macros (M, K, Takumar). Most of your other brand 90mm f2.5 macros will also only do 1:2. Some had a separate 1:1 matched extender that would get you there. The famous Vivitar Series 1 Bokina and the later Tokina made version are examples of that. On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: steve harley wrote: On 2015-04-22 19:42 , Mark Roberts wrote: All the 100mm f/2.8 macro lenses (A, F, FA and D-FA) did 1:1 magnification. As did the A 200/4.0 macro and the FA 200/4.0 Macro. and DA 35/2.8 Macro is also spec'd as 1:1 now i'm wondering which Pentax macro primes *aren't* 1:1 ? Mostly the 50mm ones and the old, third-party 100mm f/3.5 -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Adobe are starting to be real ASSHOLES! : As mentioned here, updates to Camera Raw for Photoshop CS6 only include : new camera support, lens profile support, and bug fixes. The new : features listed in the release notes are only available in Photoshop CC. On 4/22/2015 6:00 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Thought this might be of interest on multiple counts... I saw that a new ACR was released and scanned the new lenses supported looking for Pentax: https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2015/04/camera-raw-9-now-available.html It was there I saw a lens I hadn't heard of: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=1128065 Quite the specs. Here are a couple of early impressions of it: http://regex.info/blog/2015-02-26/2530 http://www.ephotozine.com/article/venus-laowa-60mm-f-2-8-2-1-macro-lens-user-review-27046 A few images showing up correctly tagged on Flickr also: https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=relevancetext=Laowa%2060mm%20f%2F2.8%20 Color me impressed. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting John sesso...@earthlink.net: Adobe are starting to be real ASSHOLES! Starting?? Actually this is nothing new - I'm surprised they're even offering new camera support etc for CS6. They're really trying to move users to the CC world. I wouldn't be surprised if LR 6 is the last stand-alone version. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ : As mentioned here, updates to Camera Raw for Photoshop CS6 only include : new camera support, lens profile support, and bug fixes. The new : features listed in the release notes are only available in Photoshop CC. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com: All 50mm f/4 ones, except the preset Macro Takumar. Also Pentax-M 100mm macro and earlier Pentax 100mm f/4 macros (M, K, Takumar). Most of your other brand 90mm f2.5 macros will also only do 1:2. Some had a separate 1:1 matched extender that would get you there. The famous Vivitar Series 1 Bokina and the later Tokina made version are examples of that. The recent implementations of Tamron's 90mm 2.5 do 1:1 without the adapter. I snaffled one of the preset macro Takumar's a few years ago. I've been trying it on my Q recently but it's too long for hand-holding on that format. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yep - those two plus the FA 100 f3.5 macro, though I think it had an optional converter (maybe ust an extension tube) that would allow it to go to 1:1. (Not sure if infinity focus was sacrificed when the converter was used.) Mark On 4/23/2015 6:29 PM, Darren Addy wrote: All 50mm f/4 ones, except the preset Macro Takumar. Also Pentax-M 100mm macro and earlier Pentax 100mm f/4 macros (M, K, Takumar). Most of your other brand 90mm f2.5 macros will also only do 1:2. Some had a separate 1:1 matched extender that would get you there. The famous Vivitar Series 1 Bokina and the later Tokina made version are examples of that. On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: steve harley wrote: On 2015-04-22 19:42 , Mark Roberts wrote: All the 100mm f/2.8 macro lenses (A, F, FA and D-FA) did 1:1 magnification. As did the A 200/4.0 macro and the FA 200/4.0 Macro. and DA 35/2.8 Macro is also spec'd as 1:1 now i'm wondering which Pentax macro primes *aren't* 1:1 ? Mostly the 50mm ones and the old, third-party 100mm f/3.5 -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thank Marks. I stand corrected. On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Mark C wrote: Not quite following you on the ratios... I've long thought that 1:1 means the image on the sensor is the same size as in real life, 2:1 means 2x lifesized. Did the Macro Takumar achieve greater magnification that say, the DFA 50mm macro (which Pentax specs as a 1:1 lens)? All the 100mm f/2.8 macro lenses (A, F, FA and D-FA) did 1:1 magnification. As did the A 200/4.0 macro and the FA 200/4.0 Macro. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It is indeed a rather interesting lens. Thanks for posting the info. As for 2:1, I am thinking about how often it gets practical (for me). I've used the D-FA 100/2.8 with 1.7x for a few things like a fruit-fly caught by a spider, etc. I know that when I tried to stack 2x on top of that it was too much (and the image was degraded - probably too much glass and it might also be that I was hitting the diffraction limit from the effective aperture). I posted a few photos back in 2007: http://komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Raspberries/100-2_0x-1_7x/IMGP9608.jpg http://komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Raspberries/100-2_0x-1_7x/IMGP9609.jpg The quality of the shots taken with DFA 100/2.8 + x1.7 was reasonable (you may like or dislike the photos themselves- different people had different view on the composition,etc.): http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Raspberries/IMGP9503.jpg http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Raspberries/IMGP9527.jpg Here is the old message describing those: https://www.mail-archive.com/pdml%40pdml.net/msg422565.html So, yes, I would benefit from that lens occasionally.. But not sure, - how often. Cheers, Igor On 4/22/2015 6:54 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Tempting indeed. I think that all PK users should get one before the realize that the cool kids don't make their lenses in a PK mount. Reading about it, it is also funny how many people think that 1:2 is the same as 2:1. Pentax made only one macro lens that does 1:1 and that was the old preset Macro-Takumar. The rest are all 1:2. This lens (at 2:1) is 4x that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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oops. i think i've been corrected on that before forgot about that one. No you are correct, the Macro Takumar would be the same as that one. But the Venus is twice life size. On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Not quite following you on the ratios... I've long thought that 1:1 means the image on the sensor is the same size as in real life, 2:1 means 2x lifesized. Did the Macro Takumar achieve greater magnification that say, the DFA 50mm macro (which Pentax specs as a 1:1 lens)? On 4/22/2015 6:54 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Tempting indeed. I think that all PK users should get one before the realize that the cool kids don't make their lenses in a PK mount. Reading about it, it is also funny how many people think that 1:2 is the same as 2:1. Pentax made only one macro lens that does 1:1 and that was the old preset Macro-Takumar. The rest are all 1:2. This lens (at 2:1) is 4x that. The number of aperture blades (and round aperture) should make for lovely bokeh. On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I recall reading about that lens here on the PDML a few weeks ago. It is indeed tempting. Mark On 4/22/2015 6:00 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Thought this might be of interest on multiple counts... I saw that a new ACR was released and scanned the new lenses supported looking for Pentax: https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2015/04/camera-raw-9-now-available.html It was there I saw a lens I hadn't heard of: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=1128065 Quite the specs. Here are a couple of early impressions of it: http://regex.info/blog/2015-02-26/2530 http://www.ephotozine.com/article/venus-laowa-60mm-f-2-8-2-1-macro-lens-user-review-27046 A few images showing up correctly tagged on Flickr also: https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=relevancetext=Laowa%2060mm%20f%2F2.8%20 Color me impressed. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark C wrote: Not quite following you on the ratios... I've long thought that 1:1 means the image on the sensor is the same size as in real life, 2:1 means 2x lifesized. Did the Macro Takumar achieve greater magnification that say, the DFA 50mm macro (which Pentax specs as a 1:1 lens)? All the 100mm f/2.8 macro lenses (A, F, FA and D-FA) did 1:1 magnification. As did the A 200/4.0 macro and the FA 200/4.0 Macro. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Not quite following you on the ratios... I've long thought that 1:1 means the image on the sensor is the same size as in real life, 2:1 means 2x lifesized. Did the Macro Takumar achieve greater magnification that say, the DFA 50mm macro (which Pentax specs as a 1:1 lens)? On 4/22/2015 6:54 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Tempting indeed. I think that all PK users should get one before the realize that the cool kids don't make their lenses in a PK mount. Reading about it, it is also funny how many people think that 1:2 is the same as 2:1. Pentax made only one macro lens that does 1:1 and that was the old preset Macro-Takumar. The rest are all 1:2. This lens (at 2:1) is 4x that. The number of aperture blades (and round aperture) should make for lovely bokeh. On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I recall reading about that lens here on the PDML a few weeks ago. It is indeed tempting. Mark On 4/22/2015 6:00 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Thought this might be of interest on multiple counts... I saw that a new ACR was released and scanned the new lenses supported looking for Pentax: https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2015/04/camera-raw-9-now-available.html It was there I saw a lens I hadn't heard of: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=1128065 Quite the specs. Here are a couple of early impressions of it: http://regex.info/blog/2015-02-26/2530 http://www.ephotozine.com/article/venus-laowa-60mm-f-2-8-2-1-macro-lens-user-review-27046 A few images showing up correctly tagged on Flickr also: https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=relevancetext=Laowa%2060mm%20f%2F2.8%20 Color me impressed. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tempting indeed. I think that all PK users should get one before the realize that the cool kids don't make their lenses in a PK mount. Reading about it, it is also funny how many people think that 1:2 is the same as 2:1. Pentax made only one macro lens that does 1:1 and that was the old preset Macro-Takumar. The rest are all 1:2. This lens (at 2:1) is 4x that. The number of aperture blades (and round aperture) should make for lovely bokeh. On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I recall reading about that lens here on the PDML a few weeks ago. It is indeed tempting. Mark On 4/22/2015 6:00 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Thought this might be of interest on multiple counts... I saw that a new ACR was released and scanned the new lenses supported looking for Pentax: https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2015/04/camera-raw-9-now-available.html It was there I saw a lens I hadn't heard of: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=1128065 Quite the specs. Here are a couple of early impressions of it: http://regex.info/blog/2015-02-26/2530 http://www.ephotozine.com/article/venus-laowa-60mm-f-2-8-2-1-macro-lens-user-review-27046 A few images showing up correctly tagged on Flickr also: https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=relevancetext=Laowa%2060mm%20f%2F2.8%20 Color me impressed. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...
Thought this might be of interest on multiple counts... I saw that a new ACR was released and scanned the new lenses supported looking for Pentax: https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2015/04/camera-raw-9-now-available.html It was there I saw a lens I hadn't heard of: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=1128065 Quite the specs. Here are a couple of early impressions of it: http://regex.info/blog/2015-02-26/2530 http://www.ephotozine.com/article/venus-laowa-60mm-f-2-8-2-1-macro-lens-user-review-27046 A few images showing up correctly tagged on Flickr also: https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=relevancetext=Laowa%2060mm%20f%2F2.8%20 Color me impressed. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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There is a Flickr group for this lens with 179 images: https://www.flickr.com/groups/venus_macro/ On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Thought this might be of interest on multiple counts... I saw that a new ACR was released and scanned the new lenses supported looking for Pentax: https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2015/04/camera-raw-9-now-available.html It was there I saw a lens I hadn't heard of: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=1128065 Quite the specs. Here are a couple of early impressions of it: http://regex.info/blog/2015-02-26/2530 http://www.ephotozine.com/article/venus-laowa-60mm-f-2-8-2-1-macro-lens-user-review-27046 A few images showing up correctly tagged on Flickr also: https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=relevancetext=Laowa%2060mm%20f%2F2.8%20 Color me impressed. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I recall reading about that lens here on the PDML a few weeks ago. It is indeed tempting. Mark On 4/22/2015 6:00 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Thought this might be of interest on multiple counts... I saw that a new ACR was released and scanned the new lenses supported looking for Pentax: https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2015/04/camera-raw-9-now-available.html It was there I saw a lens I hadn't heard of: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=1128065 Quite the specs. Here are a couple of early impressions of it: http://regex.info/blog/2015-02-26/2530 http://www.ephotozine.com/article/venus-laowa-60mm-f-2-8-2-1-macro-lens-user-review-27046 A few images showing up correctly tagged on Flickr also: https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=relevancetext=Laowa%2060mm%20f%2F2.8%20 Color me impressed. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
