Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Steve Cottrell]

On 15/3/20, Olga Iona Custer, discombobulated, unleashed:

>A couple of other things come to mind - what I leave in the frame and
>what I leave out of the frame, how do I do things in post (an obvious
>example is making things B rather than color).

Ah, well, yes. I tend to shoot large fine jpegs in camera and as such, I set up 
my gear for either black and white or colour (as if the camera was loaded with 
either black and white film or colour film). That way, my mind is either tuned 
in to mono or tuned in to colour, as so I tend to think in either of those 
modes. It works for me.

>And when you do your PP is that Lightroom that you use?

I use Adobe CS6 which is basically a standalone version of Photoshop. I 
organise my pics as files and folders right on the Mac.

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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Olga Iona Custer]

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 3:56 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 13/3/20, Olga Iona Custer, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Picture of Larry was more intentional. Picture of Kate was more
>> opportunistic - I just saw nice light on her face. Larry and I also
>> cropped him out of picture of Kate in postprocessing. I wondered at the
>> time if adding another person with a camera added to a story. 
> 
> Hmmm. When I approach a photograph at the taking stage, sometimes I see 'the 
> story' right away, sometimes I see the story about to happen, but sometimes I 
> don't see the story at all.
> 
> Taking the last category first (as I do tend to do things ass-backwards) not 
> seeing 'the story' (or call it what you like) is not  a bad thing. Sometimes 
> I *think* I see something, and other times I think that maybe there is 
> something there that I can't 'see' now, but might 'see' later. In any event, 
> when later looking through the images, I'll know right away by seeing them on 
> the screen in front of me. More in a moment about my selection process.
> 
> Here's an example of a shot that I simply grabbed as I was walking and had no 
> idea if it would work or not. Only when I saw it later, I realised I liked it 
> and there was a story there:
> 
> 
This is great. Almost like a scene from some sort of an antiutopia movie. I am 
not sure I can discern a story from this shot, but it has atmosphere.
> 
> When 'sometimes I see the story about to happen' is when the elements of a 
> would-be photo are taking shape, and about to happen, but haven't happened 
> yet. A classic example would be that you've found a wonderful scenario in 
> front of you but it just needs a little something 'extra' to make it work 
> better. Say, you find some graffiti on a wall next to a walkway, so it might 
> be better to wait for an added element (say, someone walking past) before you 
> push the shutter button. But it might not. Pressing the sutter at the right 
> time is 'the decisive moment'. Here's my humble offering:
> 
> 
> 
> And seeing the story right away is the obvious one. You can see it happening 
> in front of you, sometimes looking through the lens, sometimes not. Mostly 
> not.

> What I would define as a 'good photographer' is being aware of what is going 
> on around you, being aware of what is likely to happen, and being aware of 
> what your own preferences are.
I like this definition very much.
> The story you want to tell. Don't forget that a photograph isn't just a 
> representation of what is going on in front of you and your camera, but a 
> representation of your interpretation of the story that is going on in front 
> of you and your camera.

> How you tell that story is how you select the lens, how you select the 
> shutter speed and aperture, how you position yourself with the light - or 
> indeed if you bring your own light. It's your blank canvas to tell that 
> story, to convey that scene, to photographically describe what you see and 
> later present it as part of your art.
A couple of other things come to mind - what I leave in the frame and what I 
leave out of the frame, how do I do things in post (an obvious example is 
making things B rather than color).
> 
> 
> 
> And finally, just a word on selection. If you take a LOT of pictures (I'm 
> naming no names here!!) it can be daunting to look through endless thumbnails 
> in search of that keeper. We all do it slightly differently. All I can tell 
> you is how I do it.
Thank you for that! right now I am looking for the comfortable workflow.
> 
> When I pop the memory card into my computer, I drag across  the folder with 
> the images in onto my desktop, and eject the card. Then I open the folder 
> with the images and open the images in a basic frontline photo viewer, in my 
> case, on a Mac and with 'Preview’.
Is it a good one for preserving the colors?
> I then go through each image, one by one, and right away, if I don't see 'the 
> story' then it's 'cmd' + 'del' instantly. Yes, I delete them into the trash 
> there and then. Each pic, as I look at it, right away, if it doesn't hit me 
> right away with a 'this pic definitely has something to it' or a 'hmm this 
> pic might have something to it, maybe look again at it later', if none of 
> those 2 criteria are met, it's trashed. This is because I feel comfortable 
> looking at something and getting a gut reaction.
I tend to only have a good gut reaction for something that’s amazing. Problem 
is, I do not take a lot of amazing shots. Of course.
> 
> That thins out the crowd by probably 50 percent or so.
> 
> Later, I will look again at the rest, and from those I will reverse the trend 
> and pic out those I like, those that stand out of the crowd and sing to me. 
> But I won't delete the rest, they'll get saved in an archive. Who knows, I 
> might change my idea of style, or look 

Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Olga Iona Custer]

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:38 AM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 3/13/2020 3:09 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:
>> Welcome Olga,
>> Looking at your two portraits,
>> I must say you certainly look far more experienced than you declared.
>> That must be a good sign of talent.
> 
> Or..
> wait for it
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> She must have a good camera.
> 
> HAR!!
I sure do, Borya and Larry saw to that :-)
> 
> Really good pictures, though Flickr sucks.
What about it? 
> 
> bill
> 
> 
>> Bulent
>> -
>> http://patoloji.gen.tr
>> http://celasun.wordpress.com/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/
>> http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun
>> Olga Iona Custer , 13 Mar 2020 Cum, 07:59
>> tarihinde şunu yazdı:
>>> 
>>> Hello!
>>> I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new to 
>>> photography.
>>> 
>>> I am still discovering the features of my newly acquired K-5 (thanks so 
>>> much, Boris!) after playing with Larry’s K-3 (thanks, Larry, for your gear, 
>>> your time, and your nearly endless patience). I am still struggling with 
>>> focusing and am barely touching the surface of comprehension of what light 
>>> actually means when you are not just looking at it but operating an 
>>> external lens to create images.
>>> 
>>> The reason I started paying attention to photography was Larry’s landscape 
>>> photos. He photographed places in Oregon and I layered his vision of them 
>>> with my vision of them. I thought that I could communicate my vision 
>>> through the images I take but so far I cannot. As of now I find my 
>>> landscape photos to be interminably boring. But flowers and humans do 
>>> cooperate sometimes.
>>> 
>>> Below are the two photos I am currently happiest with. While the 
>>> photographers were creating landscape photos that would be pleasing for me 
>>> to look I was photographing them, trying to capture their faces lit by 
>>> sunshine and smiles.
>>> 
>>> Kate:
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49653882881/in/dateposted-public/
>>>  
>>> 
>>> K-3 Tamron 18-250 f/3.5-6.3
>>> 
>>> Larry:
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49654162487/in/dateposted-public/
>>>  
>>> 
>>> K-5 Tamron 28-75 f/2.8
>>> 
>>> I am looking forward to sharing more photos in the future and to hearing 
>>> from you what works, what doesn’t, and how I can get better.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> Olga aka OIC
>>> 
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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Olga Iona Custer]

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 2:09 AM, Bulent Celasun  wrote:
> 
> Welcome Olga,
> 
> Looking at your two portraits,
> I must say you certainly look far more experienced than you declared.
Before Larry loaned me his K-3 I just shot pictures with my phone, putting 
everything I could in the center of the frame. Larry talked, showed, and 
helped. I think I mentioned his nearly infinite patience.
> That must be a good sign of talent.
Thank you!
It could be beginner’s luck, in my experience that’s definitely a thing.
But in my case it is also help of a much, much more experienced photographer.
> That must be a good sign of talent.
> 
> Bulent
> -
> http://patoloji.gen.tr
> http://celasun.wordpress.com/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/
> http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun
> 
> Olga Iona Custer , 13 Mar 2020 Cum, 07:59
> tarihinde şunu yazdı:
>> 
>> Hello!
>> I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new to 
>> photography.
>> 
>> I am still discovering the features of my newly acquired K-5 (thanks so 
>> much, Boris!) after playing with Larry’s K-3 (thanks, Larry, for your gear, 
>> your time, and your nearly endless patience). I am still struggling with 
>> focusing and am barely touching the surface of comprehension of what light 
>> actually means when you are not just looking at it but operating an external 
>> lens to create images.
>> 
>> The reason I started paying attention to photography was Larry’s landscape 
>> photos. He photographed places in Oregon and I layered his vision of them 
>> with my vision of them. I thought that I could communicate my vision through 
>> the images I take but so far I cannot. As of now I find my landscape photos 
>> to be interminably boring. But flowers and humans do cooperate sometimes.
>> 
>> Below are the two photos I am currently happiest with. While the 
>> photographers were creating landscape photos that would be pleasing for me 
>> to look I was photographing them, trying to capture their faces lit by 
>> sunshine and smiles.
>> 
>> Kate:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49653882881/in/dateposted-public/
>>  
>> 
>> K-3 Tamron 18-250 f/3.5-6.3
>> 
>> Larry:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49654162487/in/dateposted-public/
>>  
>> 
>> K-5 Tamron 28-75 f/2.8
>> 
>> I am looking forward to sharing more photos in the future and to hearing 
>> from you what works, what doesn’t, and how I can get better.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Olga aka OIC
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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Olga Iona Custer]

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 2:05 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> 
> Welcome.
> 
> Olga, given that we share the same language (not the one I am using to
> write this message), I would gladly share with you some of my digital
> library. Specifically, on subject of photographic composition.
Of course. And thank you. I’d love to. Interestingly, because I just started 
photographing, I already ran into learning photography terminology in both 
languages.
> 
> And I absolutely second what Cotty wrote you in his message - pictures tell
> stories. So, I am all ears :-).
Pressure’s on :-)
> 
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 6:59 AM Olga Iona Custer 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello!
>> I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new
>> to photography.
>> 
>> I am still discovering the features of my newly acquired K-5 (thanks so
>> much, Boris!) after playing with Larry’s K-3 (thanks, Larry, for your gear,
>> your time, and your nearly endless patience). I am still struggling with
>> focusing and am barely touching the surface of comprehension of what light
>> actually means when you are not just looking at it but operating an
>> external lens to create images.
>> 
>> The reason I started paying attention to photography was Larry’s landscape
>> photos. He photographed places in Oregon and I layered his vision of them
>> with my vision of them. I thought that I could communicate my vision
>> through the images I take but so far I cannot. As of now I find my
>> landscape photos to be interminably boring. But flowers and humans do
>> cooperate sometimes.
>> 
>> Below are the two photos I am currently happiest with. While the
>> photographers were creating landscape photos that would be pleasing for me
>> to look I was photographing them, trying to capture their faces lit by
>> sunshine and smiles.
>> 
>> Kate:
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49653882881/in/dateposted-public/
>> <
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49653882881/in/dateposted-public/
>>> 
>> K-3 Tamron 18-250 f/3.5-6.3
>> 
>> Larry:
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49654162487/in/dateposted-public/
>> <
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49654162487/in/dateposted-public/
>>> 
>> K-5 Tamron 28-75 f/2.8
>> 
>> I am looking forward to sharing more photos in the future and to hearing
>> from you what works, what doesn’t, and how I can get better.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Olga aka OIC
>> 
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RE: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[jcoyle]

Welcome to what can sometimes be the madhouse, Olga!
The two shots you show I think are excellent, so you may be doing better than 
you thought.


John in Brisbane



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Subject: New member's intro - photographing photographers

Hello!
I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new to 
photography.

I am still discovering the features of my newly acquired K-5 (thanks so much, 
Boris!) after playing with Larry’s K-3 (thanks, Larry, for your gear, your 
time, and your nearly endless patience). I am still struggling with focusing 
and am barely touching the surface of comprehension of what light actually 
means when you are not just looking at it but operating an external lens to 
create images.

The reason I started paying attention to photography was Larry’s landscape 
photos. He photographed places in Oregon and I layered his vision of them with 
my vision of them. I thought that I could communicate my vision through the 
images I take but so far I cannot. As of now I find my landscape photos to be 
interminably boring. But flowers and humans do cooperate sometimes.

Below are the two photos I am currently happiest with. While the photographers 
were creating landscape photos that would be pleasing for me to look I was 
photographing them, trying to capture their faces lit by sunshine and smiles.

Kate:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49653882881/in/dateposted-public/ 
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49653882881/in/dateposted-public/>
K-3 Tamron 18-250 f/3.5-6.3

Larry:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49654162487/in/dateposted-public/ 
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49654162487/in/dateposted-public/>
K-5 Tamron 28-75 f/2.8

I am looking forward to sharing more photos in the future and to hearing from 
you what works, what doesn’t, and how I can get better.

Thanks!
Olga aka OIC

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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Steve Cottrell]

On 14/3/20, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>with the are in focus

the *area* in

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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Steve Cottrell]

On 14/3/20, Postmaster, discombobulated, unleashed:

>>
>
>That's a great shot!

Thankee kindly sir. I can't remember if I was shooting from the hip or looking 
through. I think I was amazingly lucky with the are in focus as the camera was 
clearly rotating during exposure. 

Thing is, you could do this on purpose a hundred times and never hit it. 
Sometimes it just works

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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

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Steve Cottrell wrote:

>Here's an example of a shot that I simply grabbed as I was walking and had no 
>idea if it would work or not. Only when I saw it later, I realised I liked it 
>and there was a story there:
>
>

That's a great shot!

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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Steve Cottrell]

On 13/3/20, Olga Iona Custer, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Picture of Larry was more intentional. Picture of Kate was more
>opportunistic - I just saw nice light on her face. Larry and I also
>cropped him out of picture of Kate in postprocessing. I wondered at the
>time if adding another person with a camera added to a story. 

Hmmm. When I approach a photograph at the taking stage, sometimes I see 'the 
story' right away, sometimes I see the story about to happen, but sometimes I 
don't see the story at all.

Taking the last category first (as I do tend to do things ass-backwards) not 
seeing 'the story' (or call it what you like) is not  a bad thing. Sometimes I 
*think* I see something, and other times I think that maybe there is something 
there that I can't 'see' now, but might 'see' later. In any event, when later 
looking through the images, I'll know right away by seeing them on the screen 
in front of me. More in a moment about my selection process.

Here's an example of a shot that I simply grabbed as I was walking and had no 
idea if it would work or not. Only when I saw it later, I realised I liked it 
and there was a story there:



When 'sometimes I see the story about to happen' is when the elements of a 
would-be photo are taking shape, and about to happen, but haven't happened yet. 
A classic example would be that you've found a wonderful scenario in front of 
you but it just needs a little something 'extra' to make it work better. Say, 
you find some graffiti on a wall next to a walkway, so it might be better to 
wait for an added element (say, someone walking past) before you push the 
shutter button. But it might not. Pressing the sutter at the right time is 'the 
decisive moment'. Here's my humble offering:



And seeing the story right away is the obvious one. You can see it happening in 
front of you, sometimes looking through the lens, sometimes not. Mostly not. 
What I would define as a 'good photographer' is being aware of what is going on 
around you, being aware of what is likely to happen, and being aware of what 
your own preferences are. The story you want to tell. Don't forget that a 
photograph isn't just a representation of what is going on in front of you and 
your camera, but a representation of your interpretation of the story that is 
going on in front of you and your camera. How you tell that story is how you 
select the lens, how you select the shutter speed and aperture, how you 
position yourself with the light - or indeed if you bring your own light. It's 
your blank canvas to tell that story, to convey that scene, to photographically 
describe what you see and later present it as part of your art.



And finally, just a word on selection. If you take a LOT of pictures (I'm 
naming no names here!!) it can be daunting to look through endless thumbnails 
in search of that keeper. We all do it slightly differently. All I can tell you 
is how I do it.

When I pop the memory card into my computer, I drag across  the folder with the 
images in onto my desktop, and eject the card. Then I open the folder with the 
images and open the images in a basic frontline photo viewer, in my case, on a 
Mac and with 'Preview'. I then go through each image, one by one, and right 
away, if I don't see 'the story' then it's 'cmd' + 'del' instantly. Yes, I 
delete them into the trash there and then. Each pic, as I look at it, right 
away, if it doesn't hit me right away with a 'this pic definitely has something 
to it' or a 'hmm this pic might have something to it, maybe look again at it 
later', if none of those 2 criteria are met, it's trashed. This is because I 
feel comfortable looking at something and getting a gut reaction.

That thins out the crowd by probably 50 percent or so.

Later, I will look again at the rest, and from those I will reverse the trend 
and pic out those I like, those that stand out of the crowd and sing to me. But 
I won't delete the rest, they'll get saved in an archive. Who knows, I might 
change my idea of style, or look again at how I interpret a scene, or at the 
very least give me something to do in those years to come when I am less mobile 
and more likely to sit on my butt all day!

I hope this gives you some insight into another way. There is no right and 
wrong way, there's only your way :-)

But please, do keep posting images - that's what this group is all about.

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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Steve Cottrell]

>>>And I absolutely second what Cotty wrote you in his message - pictures tell
>>>stories. So, I am all ears :-).
>>
>>Mark Roberts is obviously incommunicado as otherwise he would, at this
>point, have told you not to listen to a word I say :-)
>
>I'm thinking at this point it should be self-evident.

I see your point.


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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Alan C]

Welcome, Olga. I won't say anything because I think the others have said 
too much already!


Alan C    (In sunny, hot, dry Phalabowa)

On 13-Mar-20 06:58 AM, Olga Iona Custer wrote:

Hello!
I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new to 
photography.

I am still discovering the features of my newly acquired K-5 (thanks so much, 
Boris!) after playing with Larry’s K-3 (thanks, Larry, for your gear, your 
time, and your nearly endless patience). I am still struggling with focusing 
and am barely touching the surface of comprehension of what light actually 
means when you are not just looking at it but operating an external lens to 
create images.

The reason I started paying attention to photography was Larry’s landscape 
photos. He photographed places in Oregon and I layered his vision of them with 
my vision of them. I thought that I could communicate my vision through the 
images I take but so far I cannot. As of now I find my landscape photos to be 
interminably boring. But flowers and humans do cooperate sometimes.

Below are the two photos I am currently happiest with. While the photographers 
were creating landscape photos that would be pleasing for me to look I was 
photographing them, trying to capture their faces lit by sunshine and smiles.

Kate:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49653882881/in/dateposted-public/ 

K-3 Tamron 18-250 f/3.5-6.3

Larry:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49654162487/in/dateposted-public/ 

K-5 Tamron 28-75 f/2.8

I am looking forward to sharing more photos in the future and to hearing from 
you what works, what doesn’t, and how I can get better.

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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[John]

Quotations list might be a good place to start.

"The annual tradition: https://www.robertstech.com/quote.htm;


On 3/13/2020 17:52:37, P. J. Alling wrote:
Welcome to the list.  I was going to list a bunch of denizens, and warnings 
about them, but you can go back and read the archives, they're funnier than I 
am, well most of the time anyway.


On 3/13/2020 12:58 AM, Olga Iona Custer wrote:

Hello!
I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new to 
photography.


I am still discovering the features of my newly acquired K-5 (thanks so much, 
Boris!) after playing with Larry’s K-3 (thanks, Larry, for your gear, your 
time, and your nearly endless patience). I am still struggling with focusing 
and am barely touching the surface of comprehension of what light actually 
means when you are not just looking at it but operating an external lens to 
create images.


The reason I started paying attention to photography was Larry’s landscape 
photos. He photographed places in Oregon and I layered his vision of them with 
my vision of them. I thought that I could communicate my vision through the 
images I take but so far I cannot. As of now I find my landscape photos to be 
interminably boring. But flowers and humans do cooperate sometimes.


Below are the two photos I am currently happiest with. While the photographers 
were creating landscape photos that would be pleasing for me to look I was 
photographing them, trying to capture their faces lit by sunshine and smiles.


Kate:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49653882881/in/dateposted-public/ 


K-3 Tamron 18-250 f/3.5-6.3

Larry:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49654162487/in/dateposted-public/ 


K-5 Tamron 28-75 f/2.8

I am looking forward to sharing more photos in the future and to hearing from 
you what works, what doesn’t, and how I can get better.


Thanks!
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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[ann sanfedele]

welcome, Olga!
glad to have another gal on board.
Both of those shots are nice.. showing to me, at least, a lot of 
personality of the subject.
I'd guess, though, that the photo of Kate was taken without her 
knowledge at that moment and when you shot the photo
of Larry, with that big grin on his mug, that he knew very well he was 
in your cross hairs...maybe even posing for a " look at the happy Pentax 
user"
or you just said something that made him laugh. Though it's been (gasp) 
ten years since I met him in person - I remember him shooting with a 
look of intense concentration.  NIce shot whicheve but I"m curious if 
I'm right :-)


ann




On 3/13/2020 12:58 AM, Olga Iona Custer wrote:

Hello!
I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new to 
photography.

I am still discovering the features of my newly acquired K-5 (thanks so much, 
Boris!) after playing with Larry’s K-3 (thanks, Larry, for your gear, your 
time, and your nearly endless patience). I am still struggling with focusing 
and am barely touching the surface of comprehension of what light actually 
means when you are not just looking at it but operating an external lens to 
create images.

The reason I started paying attention to photography was Larry’s landscape 
photos. He photographed places in Oregon and I layered his vision of them with 
my vision of them. I thought that I could communicate my vision through the 
images I take but so far I cannot. As of now I find my landscape photos to be 
interminably boring. But flowers and humans do cooperate sometimes.

Below are the two photos I am currently happiest with. While the photographers 
were creating landscape photos that would be pleasing for me to look I was 
photographing them, trying to capture their faces lit by sunshine and smiles.

Kate:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49653882881/in/dateposted-public/ 

K-3 Tamron 18-250 f/3.5-6.3

Larry:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49654162487/in/dateposted-public/ 

K-5 Tamron 28-75 f/2.8

I am looking forward to sharing more photos in the future and to hearing from 
you what works, what doesn’t, and how I can get better.

Thanks!
Olga aka OIC



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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[P. J. Alling]

Hey, I resemble that remark...

On 3/13/2020 5:54 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Mar 13, 2020, at 2:52 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

Welcome to the list.  I was going to list a bunch of denizens, and warnings 
about them, but you can go back and read the archives, they're funnier than I 
am, well most of the time anyway.

Maybe not funnier looking.

Maybe.


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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[P. J. Alling]

There, see.

On 3/13/2020 3:57 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Steve Cottrell wrote:


On 13/3/20, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:


And I absolutely second what Cotty wrote you in his message - pictures tell
stories. So, I am all ears :-).

Mark Roberts is obviously incommunicado as otherwise he would, at this point, 
have told you not to listen to a word I say :-)

I'm thinking at this point it should be self-evident.
  


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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

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> On Mar 13, 2020, at 2:52 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> Welcome to the list.  I was going to list a bunch of denizens, and warnings 
> about them, but you can go back and read the archives, they're funnier than I 
> am, well most of the time anyway.

Maybe not funnier looking.

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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[P. J. Alling]

Welcome to the list.  I was going to list a bunch of denizens, and 
warnings about them, but you can go back and read the archives, they're 
funnier than I am, well most of the time anyway.


On 3/13/2020 12:58 AM, Olga Iona Custer wrote:

Hello!
I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new to 
photography.

I am still discovering the features of my newly acquired K-5 (thanks so much, 
Boris!) after playing with Larry’s K-3 (thanks, Larry, for your gear, your 
time, and your nearly endless patience). I am still struggling with focusing 
and am barely touching the surface of comprehension of what light actually 
means when you are not just looking at it but operating an external lens to 
create images.

The reason I started paying attention to photography was Larry’s landscape 
photos. He photographed places in Oregon and I layered his vision of them with 
my vision of them. I thought that I could communicate my vision through the 
images I take but so far I cannot. As of now I find my landscape photos to be 
interminably boring. But flowers and humans do cooperate sometimes.

Below are the two photos I am currently happiest with. While the photographers 
were creating landscape photos that would be pleasing for me to look I was 
photographing them, trying to capture their faces lit by sunshine and smiles.

Kate:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49653882881/in/dateposted-public/ 

K-3 Tamron 18-250 f/3.5-6.3

Larry:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49654162487/in/dateposted-public/ 

K-5 Tamron 28-75 f/2.8

I am looking forward to sharing more photos in the future and to hearing from 
you what works, what doesn’t, and how I can get better.

Thanks!
Olga aka OIC


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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Mark Roberts]

Steve Cottrell wrote:

>On 13/3/20, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>And I absolutely second what Cotty wrote you in his message - pictures tell
>>stories. So, I am all ears :-).
>
>Mark Roberts is obviously incommunicado as otherwise he would, at this point, 
>have told you not to listen to a word I say :-)

I'm thinking at this point it should be self-evident.
 
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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Olga Iona Custer]

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 1:45 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 12/3/20, Olga Iona Custer, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new
>> to photography.
> 
> Welcome Olga. There re some wise voices on this list - mine is not one of 
> them.
All the more reason to listen to it, you might be saying something fun ;-)
> 
> But that pic of Larry is really good - it's captured an atmosphere, it's 
> telling a story. The picture of Kate, not so much.
Picture of Larry was more intentional. Picture of Kate was more opportunistic - 
I just saw nice light on her face. Larry and I also cropped him out of picture 
of Kate in postprocessing. I wondered at the time if adding another person with 
a camera added to a story. 


> 
> Pictures tell stories. It's up to you to interpret that story and bring it to 
> the attention of others. Based on what you've shown so far, I'd say a 50% hit 
> rate is exceptionally good ;-)
> 
> I'm lucky to hit 10% !!
> 
> Enjoy your photography.
Thank you!

> 
> -- 
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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

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> On Mar 13, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 13/3/20, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I've got something like 700k frames in my lightroom catalog, though many
>> of them are bracketing, there are about fifty photos in the portfolio I
>> use to show off photos.  That's about one percent of one percent, so it
>> sounds like Cotty is a thousand times better than me at photography.
> 
> Rubbish.
> 
> Have you ever thought of getting into MF? Not digital!

Actually, I do have one, a Pentax 67 that was given to me.  I was experimenting 
with both hand held light meters and using my dslr to get the exposure, and the 
frames I got with my DSLR looked better than the film frames.

> 
> Concentrates the mind (or so they say!)
> 
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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Steve Cottrell]

On 13/3/20, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

>And I absolutely second what Cotty wrote you in his message - pictures tell
>stories. So, I am all ears :-).

Mark Roberts is obviously incommunicado as otherwise he would, at this point, 
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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

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On 13/3/20, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I've got something like 700k frames in my lightroom catalog, though many
>of them are bracketing, there are about fifty photos in the portfolio I
>use to show off photos.  That's about one percent of one percent, so it
>sounds like Cotty is a thousand times better than me at photography.

Rubbish.

Have you ever thought of getting into MF? Not digital!

Concentrates the mind (or so they say!)

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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Paul Stenquist]

Welcome! Nice pics. You have a good eye.
Paul

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 12:57 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> Welcome.
> 
> On 3/13/2020 00:58:28, Olga Iona Custer wrote:
>> Hello!
>> I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new to 
>> photography.
>> I am still discovering the features of my newly acquired K-5 (thanks so 
>> much, Boris!) after playing with Larry’s K-3 (thanks, Larry, for your gear, 
>> your time, and your nearly endless patience). I am still struggling with 
>> focusing and am barely touching the surface of comprehension of what light 
>> actually means when you are not just looking at it but operating an external 
>> lens to create images.
>> The reason I started paying attention to photography was Larry’s landscape 
>> photos. He photographed places in Oregon and I layered his vision of them 
>> with my vision of them. I thought that I could communicate my vision through 
>> the images I take but so far I cannot. As of now I find my landscape photos 
>> to be interminably boring. But flowers and humans do cooperate sometimes.
>> Below are the two photos I am currently happiest with. While the 
>> photographers were creating landscape photos that would be pleasing for me 
>> to look I was photographing them, trying to capture their faces lit by 
>> sunshine and smiles.
>> Kate:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49653882881/in/dateposted-public/
>>  
>> 
>> K-3 Tamron 18-250 f/3.5-6.3
>> Larry:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49654162487/in/dateposted-public/
>>  
>> 
>> K-5 Tamron 28-75 f/2.8
>> I am looking forward to sharing more photos in the future and to hearing 
>> from you what works, what doesn’t, and how I can get better.
>> Thanks!
>> Olga aka OIC
> 
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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[John]

Welcome.

On 3/13/2020 00:58:28, Olga Iona Custer wrote:

Hello!
I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new to 
photography.

I am still discovering the features of my newly acquired K-5 (thanks so much, 
Boris!) after playing with Larry’s K-3 (thanks, Larry, for your gear, your 
time, and your nearly endless patience). I am still struggling with focusing 
and am barely touching the surface of comprehension of what light actually 
means when you are not just looking at it but operating an external lens to 
create images.

The reason I started paying attention to photography was Larry’s landscape 
photos. He photographed places in Oregon and I layered his vision of them with 
my vision of them. I thought that I could communicate my vision through the 
images I take but so far I cannot. As of now I find my landscape photos to be 
interminably boring. But flowers and humans do cooperate sometimes.

Below are the two photos I am currently happiest with. While the photographers 
were creating landscape photos that would be pleasing for me to look I was 
photographing them, trying to capture their faces lit by sunshine and smiles.

Kate:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49653882881/in/dateposted-public/ 

K-3 Tamron 18-250 f/3.5-6.3

Larry:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49654162487/in/dateposted-public/ 

K-5 Tamron 28-75 f/2.8

I am looking forward to sharing more photos in the future and to hearing from 
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Thanks!
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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

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> On Mar 13, 2020, at 1:45 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 12/3/20, Olga Iona Custer, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new
>> to photography.
> 
> Welcome Olga. There re some wise voices on this list - mine is not one of 
> them.
> 
> But that pic of Larry is really good - it's captured an atmosphere, it's 
> telling a story. The picture of Kate, not so much.
> 
> Pictures tell stories. It's up to you to interpret that story and bring it to 
> the attention of others. Based on what you've shown so far, I'd say a 50% hit 
> rate is exceptionally good ;-)

The way I phrase it:

Photos are like sentences, the best ones have both a subject and a verb.


> 
> I'm lucky to hit 10% !!

I’ve got something like 700k frames in my lightroom catalog, though many of 
them are bracketing, there are about fifty photos in the portfolio I use to 
show off photos.  That’s about one percent of one percent, so it sounds like 
Cotty is a thousand times better than me at photography.

> 
> Enjoy your photography.
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
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> 
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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Bill]

On 3/13/2020 3:09 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

Welcome Olga,

Looking at your two portraits,
I must say you certainly look far more experienced than you declared.
That must be a good sign of talent.


Or..
wait for it
.
.
.
.
.
.
She must have a good camera.

HAR!!

Really good pictures, though Flickr sucks.

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Olga Iona Custer , 13 Mar 2020 Cum, 07:59
tarihinde şunu yazdı:


Hello!
I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new to 
photography.

I am still discovering the features of my newly acquired K-5 (thanks so much, 
Boris!) after playing with Larry’s K-3 (thanks, Larry, for your gear, your 
time, and your nearly endless patience). I am still struggling with focusing 
and am barely touching the surface of comprehension of what light actually 
means when you are not just looking at it but operating an external lens to 
create images.

The reason I started paying attention to photography was Larry’s landscape 
photos. He photographed places in Oregon and I layered his vision of them with 
my vision of them. I thought that I could communicate my vision through the 
images I take but so far I cannot. As of now I find my landscape photos to be 
interminably boring. But flowers and humans do cooperate sometimes.

Below are the two photos I am currently happiest with. While the photographers 
were creating landscape photos that would be pleasing for me to look I was 
photographing them, trying to capture their faces lit by sunshine and smiles.

Kate:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49653882881/in/dateposted-public/ 

K-3 Tamron 18-250 f/3.5-6.3

Larry:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49654162487/in/dateposted-public/ 

K-5 Tamron 28-75 f/2.8

I am looking forward to sharing more photos in the future and to hearing from 
you what works, what doesn’t, and how I can get better.

Thanks!
Olga aka OIC

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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Boris Liberman]

Welcome.

Olga, given that we share the same language (not the one I am using to
write this message), I would gladly share with you some of my digital
library. Specifically, on subject of photographic composition.

And I absolutely second what Cotty wrote you in his message - pictures tell
stories. So, I am all ears :-).

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 6:59 AM Olga Iona Custer 
wrote:

> Hello!
> I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new
> to photography.
>
> I am still discovering the features of my newly acquired K-5 (thanks so
> much, Boris!) after playing with Larry’s K-3 (thanks, Larry, for your gear,
> your time, and your nearly endless patience). I am still struggling with
> focusing and am barely touching the surface of comprehension of what light
> actually means when you are not just looking at it but operating an
> external lens to create images.
>
> The reason I started paying attention to photography was Larry’s landscape
> photos. He photographed places in Oregon and I layered his vision of them
> with my vision of them. I thought that I could communicate my vision
> through the images I take but so far I cannot. As of now I find my
> landscape photos to be interminably boring. But flowers and humans do
> cooperate sometimes.
>
> Below are the two photos I am currently happiest with. While the
> photographers were creating landscape photos that would be pleasing for me
> to look I was photographing them, trying to capture their faces lit by
> sunshine and smiles.
>
> Kate:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49653882881/in/dateposted-public/
> <
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49653882881/in/dateposted-public/
> >
> K-3 Tamron 18-250 f/3.5-6.3
>
> Larry:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49654162487/in/dateposted-public/
> <
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49654162487/in/dateposted-public/
> >
> K-5 Tamron 28-75 f/2.8
>
> I am looking forward to sharing more photos in the future and to hearing
> from you what works, what doesn’t, and how I can get better.
>
> Thanks!
> Olga aka OIC
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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Bulent Celasun]

Welcome Olga,

Looking at your two portraits,
I must say you certainly look far more experienced than you declared.
That must be a good sign of talent.

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Olga Iona Custer , 13 Mar 2020 Cum, 07:59
tarihinde şunu yazdı:
>
> Hello!
> I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new to 
> photography.
>
> I am still discovering the features of my newly acquired K-5 (thanks so much, 
> Boris!) after playing with Larry’s K-3 (thanks, Larry, for your gear, your 
> time, and your nearly endless patience). I am still struggling with focusing 
> and am barely touching the surface of comprehension of what light actually 
> means when you are not just looking at it but operating an external lens to 
> create images.
>
> The reason I started paying attention to photography was Larry’s landscape 
> photos. He photographed places in Oregon and I layered his vision of them 
> with my vision of them. I thought that I could communicate my vision through 
> the images I take but so far I cannot. As of now I find my landscape photos 
> to be interminably boring. But flowers and humans do cooperate sometimes.
>
> Below are the two photos I am currently happiest with. While the 
> photographers were creating landscape photos that would be pleasing for me to 
> look I was photographing them, trying to capture their faces lit by sunshine 
> and smiles.
>
> Kate:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49653882881/in/dateposted-public/ 
> 
> K-3 Tamron 18-250 f/3.5-6.3
>
> Larry:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49654162487/in/dateposted-public/ 
> 
> K-5 Tamron 28-75 f/2.8
>
> I am looking forward to sharing more photos in the future and to hearing from 
> you what works, what doesn’t, and how I can get better.
>
> Thanks!
> Olga aka OIC
>
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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Steve Cottrell]

On 12/3/20, Olga Iona Custer, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new
>to photography.

Welcome Olga. There re some wise voices on this list - mine is not one of them.

But that pic of Larry is really good - it's captured an atmosphere, it's 
telling a story. The picture of Kate, not so much.

Pictures tell stories. It's up to you to interpret that story and bring it to 
the attention of others. Based on what you've shown so far, I'd say a 50% hit 
rate is exceptionally good ;-)

I'm lucky to hit 10% !!

Enjoy your photography.

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Re: New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Larry Colen]

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 9:58 PM, Olga Iona Custer  wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new to 
> photography.

Welcome Olga, I should probably apologize in advance for subjecting you to this 
crew.


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New member's intro - photographing photographers

[Olga Iona Custer]

Hello!
I am new to the list, new to Pentax, new to digital photography, and new to 
photography.

I am still discovering the features of my newly acquired K-5 (thanks so much, 
Boris!) after playing with Larry’s K-3 (thanks, Larry, for your gear, your 
time, and your nearly endless patience). I am still struggling with focusing 
and am barely touching the surface of comprehension of what light actually 
means when you are not just looking at it but operating an external lens to 
create images.

The reason I started paying attention to photography was Larry’s landscape 
photos. He photographed places in Oregon and I layered his vision of them with 
my vision of them. I thought that I could communicate my vision through the 
images I take but so far I cannot. As of now I find my landscape photos to be 
interminably boring. But flowers and humans do cooperate sometimes.

Below are the two photos I am currently happiest with. While the photographers 
were creating landscape photos that would be pleasing for me to look I was 
photographing them, trying to capture their faces lit by sunshine and smiles.

Kate:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49653882881/in/dateposted-public/ 

K-3 Tamron 18-250 f/3.5-6.3

Larry:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/146792565@N05/49654162487/in/dateposted-public/ 

K-5 Tamron 28-75 f/2.8

I am looking forward to sharing more photos in the future and to hearing from 
you what works, what doesn’t, and how I can get better.

Thanks!
Olga aka OIC

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