Re: OT: Battery Tester for nonrechargeable Lithium AA Batteries.

2005-11-04 Thread Rob Smith
Nearly full voltage, but not quite.  If you have an accurate voltmeter you 
can cross reference the voltage (and temperature) and look up the state of 
charge assuming you have the relevant data tables.  Once upon a time I had 
these for lead/acid batteries but presumably thay can be obtained for other 
types as well.


Rob.

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I would guess even an almost depleted battery will show nearly full voltage 
with no load. The problem is that testing is a catch 22. If you provide 
adequate load to really test the batteries, you'll drain them.




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Re: OT: Battery Tester for nonrechargeable Lithium AA Batteries.

2005-11-03 Thread Otis C. Wright, Jr.
Understand.   Your approach makes sense for you requirement.  In my 
case, the cells are in reserve/backup circuit. Load is applied randomly 
for varying period.  There is no meaningful indication over a given 
period how much capacity has been used, etc. etc.


Otis Wright

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Perhaps I don't understand the circumstances of your need adequately.  
It's certainly too much trouble for my uses to test and measure  
battery status.


Whenever I buy batteries, particularly Li disposables, I put a date  
on them and put them into my battery box. I know Li disposables have  
a 6-7 year shelf life ... after a year, they will rarely have lost  
more than 5% total capacity. I rarely do this, but if I have been  
using a particular set and taken it out of the camera, I mark it with  
a red dot to say "partially used". The reason I rarely do this is  
that it's generally speaking not common to just swap batteries in and  
out with Li disposables. Most of the time you just keep them in the  
camera until they are exhausted and replace them.


When putting together equipment for a trip or field session and  
counting on Li disposables, I just make sure I have an appropriate  
number of unused new batteries as backup. I've never been caught out.


Godfrey


On Nov 3, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Otis C. Wright, Jr. wrote:

Nothing, if you understand what you get when you read open circuit  
voltage and these results are acceptable for your application.   
Depends on the accuracy you want.   My experience has been that  
testing batteries under load  gives more accurate indication of  
status.I could, but am not interested in doing so, assemble a  
load/meter combo using the manufacturers data.   Assembly is  
relatively easy.  Calibration/test and packaging for field use  takes 
time I'd rather spend doing something else.  I was  looking for a 
prepackaged reasonable quality unit for field use in  assessing cells 
used randomly in a standby/backup application.


Otis Wright

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


What's wrong with a simple voltmeter?

Godfrey

On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Otis C. Wright, Jr. wrote:

Anyone have experience with a good tester for nonrechargeable   
Lithium AA batteries?


Thanks in advance.

Otis Wright













Re: OT: Battery Tester for nonrechargeable Lithium AA Batteries.

2005-11-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Perhaps I don't understand the circumstances of your need adequately.  
It's certainly too much trouble for my uses to test and measure  
battery status.


Whenever I buy batteries, particularly Li disposables, I put a date  
on them and put them into my battery box. I know Li disposables have  
a 6-7 year shelf life ... after a year, they will rarely have lost  
more than 5% total capacity. I rarely do this, but if I have been  
using a particular set and taken it out of the camera, I mark it with  
a red dot to say "partially used". The reason I rarely do this is  
that it's generally speaking not common to just swap batteries in and  
out with Li disposables. Most of the time you just keep them in the  
camera until they are exhausted and replace them.


When putting together equipment for a trip or field session and  
counting on Li disposables, I just make sure I have an appropriate  
number of unused new batteries as backup. I've never been caught out.


Godfrey


On Nov 3, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Otis C. Wright, Jr. wrote:

Nothing, if you understand what you get when you read open circuit  
voltage and these results are acceptable for your application.   
Depends on the accuracy you want.   My experience has been that  
testing batteries under load  gives more accurate indication of  
status.I could, but am not interested in doing so, assemble a  
load/meter combo using the manufacturers data.   Assembly is  
relatively easy.  Calibration/test and packaging for field use  
takes time I'd rather spend doing something else.  I was  
looking for a prepackaged reasonable quality unit for field use in  
assessing cells used randomly in a standby/backup application.


Otis Wright

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


What's wrong with a simple voltmeter?

Godfrey

On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Otis C. Wright, Jr. wrote:

Anyone have experience with a good tester for nonrechargeable   
Lithium AA batteries?


Thanks in advance.

Otis Wright










Re: OT: Battery Tester for nonrechargeable Lithium AA Batteries.

2005-11-03 Thread Otis C. Wright, Jr.
Nothing, if you understand what you get when you read open circuit 
voltage and these results are acceptable for your application.  Depends 
on the accuracy you want.   My experience has been that testing 
batteries under load  gives more accurate indication of status.I 
could, but am not interested in doing so, assemble a load/meter combo 
using the manufacturers data.   Assembly is relatively easy.  
Calibration/test and packaging for field use takes time I'd rather spend 
doing something else.  I was looking for a prepackaged reasonable 
quality unit for field use in assessing cells used randomly in a 
standby/backup application.


Otis Wright

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


What's wrong with a simple voltmeter?

Godfrey

On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Otis C. Wright, Jr. wrote:

Anyone have experience with a good tester for nonrechargeable  
Lithium AA batteries?


Thanks in advance.

Otis Wright








Re: OT: Battery Tester for nonrechargeable Lithium AA Batteries.

2005-11-03 Thread pnstenquist
I would guess even an almost depleted battery will show nearly full voltage 
with no load. The problem is that testing is a catch 22. If you provide 
adequate load to really test the batteries, you'll drain them.
Paul


> That's what I'd use.  OTOH maybe he wants to test them under load.
> 
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> 
> > What's wrong with a simple voltmeter?
> >
> > Godfrey
> >
> > On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Otis C. Wright, Jr. wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone have experience with a good tester for nonrechargeable  
> >> Lithium AA batteries?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance.
> >>
> >> Otis Wright
> >>
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> When you're worried or in doubt, 
>   Run in circles, (scream and shout).
> 



Re: OT: Battery Tester for nonrechargeable Lithium AA Batteries.

2005-11-03 Thread P. J. Alling

That's what I'd use.  OTOH maybe he wants to test them under load.

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


What's wrong with a simple voltmeter?

Godfrey

On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Otis C. Wright, Jr. wrote:

Anyone have experience with a good tester for nonrechargeable  
Lithium AA batteries?


Thanks in advance.

Otis Wright







--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).




Re: OT: Battery Tester for nonrechargeable Lithium AA Batteries.

2005-11-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

What's wrong with a simple voltmeter?

Godfrey

On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Otis C. Wright, Jr. wrote:

Anyone have experience with a good tester for nonrechargeable  
Lithium AA batteries?


Thanks in advance.

Otis Wright





OT: Battery Tester for nonrechargeable Lithium AA Batteries.

2005-11-03 Thread Otis C. Wright, Jr.
Anyone have experience with a good tester for nonrechargeable Lithium AA 
batteries?


Thanks in advance.

Otis Wright