Re: OT: Minimum requirements for Photoshop CS?

2005-01-31 Thread David Mann
On Jan 31, 2005, at 6:07 AM, Steve Pearson wrote:
I thought I would tap into your experience again.  I
know these are some of the minimum requirements for
Photoshop CS:
 1) Intel® Pentium® III or 4 processor
Or equivalent.  Get something reasonably fast.  I'd pay more attention 
to the memory speed than the processor speed.

 2) Microsoft® Windows® 2000 with Service Pack 3 or Windows XP
I thought it was XP only due to the product activation "feature".  One 
thing I like about the Mac version is that you don't need to activate 
it.

 3) 192MB of RAM (256MB recommended)
If I were any less sober I'd have fallen off my chair.  Start at 1Gb 
and work your way up from there.  FWIW I edit 350Mb 16-bit files 
comfortably in 3Gb.  Try to keep a couple of memory slots free for 
future upgrades if you anticipate filesizes growing.  Bear in mind that 
1Gb modules tend to cost more than a pair of 512Mb sticks.

I'd be inclined to believe that the 192Mb quoted is on top of the OS 
which will need 128Mb to run bearably or 256Mb to run well.  Hence my 
recommendation to start at 1Gb as any less than that is going to risk 
big performance penalties as the system swaps data to disk.

 4) 280MB of available hard-disk space
Considering the size of modern drives, especially when you want to have 
somewhere to put your files, I don't think this is much of a concern :) 
 Get a second drive and set it up as your Photoshop scratch drive.

 5) Color monitor with 16-bit color or greater video card
Anything halfway modern can do this.  Avoid anything that uses system 
RAM for video... but if you're looking at that end of the market I 
doubt you'd be serious about PS :)

BTW  you will want 24-bit video as an absolute minimum.  I run 16-bit 
colour at work where the PC is quite old and where desktop size is more 
important to me than colour fidelity.  There is just no way I'd edit 
photographs on that.  There is no such thing as tonality at 16-bit :)

 6) 1,024x768 or greater monitor resolution
For really serious users I'd recommend two 19" or 21" screens and a big 
desk to put them on, but that's only because I have such a system and 
would never go back.  If you don't want to buy a HD Cinema Display, you 
should get a good CRT which you can then calibrate and profile.  Some 
monitors (eg Barco, LaCie, Sony Artisan) come with calibration devices 
in the box.  For the rest of us there are third-party calibrators such 
as the Spyder and the Eye One which are relatively inexpensive (and 
absolutely necessary, IMHO: don't rely on manufacturer-preset colour 
temperatures being accurate).

The LCD revolution has caused the bottom to fall out of the CRT market 
so really good ones can be had for quite reasonable money.  I've heard 
that the Artisan is a great buy if you can get one (not available at 
all in NZ, much to the disappointment of a friend of mine).  Good 
(seriously good) LCD screens are few and expensive.

FWIW I have run Photoshop at 1024x768.  These days I can barely even 
browse the web at that res :(  I need to go back to that old 640x480 
screen for a while.

I'm thinking of purchasing a new desktop sometime soon
and would like to hear from user of Photoshop CS.
What type of a "system" would you build today to work
with with Photoshop CS?
Realistic or fantasy?
I was in this exact position just over a year ago.  At the time, all I 
was prepared to afford was a single 1.6GHz G5.  It had to be a Mac as 
Windows XP was not an option, especially with the prospect of Longhorn. 
 No way.

About all I'd like at the moment is a dual-processor workstation.  But 
the machine I have is perfectly capable of working on some huge files 
without really getting in the way.  All that bothers me right now is 
the performance of the Healing Brush tool with large files.  The bigger 
your file the slower it is - I have no idea why.  But with high-res 
film scans the clone tool is just as good for 95% of the work I do.

What type of system do you have to backup your work?
First backup is the original (film is still good for something).  Next 
is CD.  After that I guess it's time to get the crayons out and try to 
remember what I saw in the viewfinder :)

Also, is $299 a good deal for Photoshop CS?
To me, yes.  To purchase it legally costs a bit more than double that 
much down here, and we've been helped by a very strong exchange rate.

My only other recommendation for a Photoshop user is to buy a tablet if 
you don't already have one.  You'd wonder how you were able to live 
without pressure-sensitive control.

Cheers,
- Dave (oh no, the US price-drop of the 23" Cinema Display has finally 
made it to NZ must resist)

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/



Re: OT: Minimum requirements for Photoshop CS?

2005-01-31 Thread David Mann
On Jan 31, 2005, at 8:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been registering as a college student the last couple of 
semesters just
to get software/hardware at a discount. :-) Got Elements 3 at $30-40 
off.
I remember getting the entire Macromedia suite (Dreamweaver, Flash, 
Fireworks, Freehand) at about 1/4 of the retail price because I'd 
signed up for a weekend course.  The only reason I'd done the course 
was to learn how to work DW so being able to actually buy it cheaply 
was a real bonus.

Unfortunately the academic version has license restrictions that meant 
I eventually had to shell out full price :)

Cheers,
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/


Re: OT: Minimum requirements for Photoshop CS?

2005-01-30 Thread mike wilson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

El cheapo. Actually, I firmly believe in life long learning. Right. Hehehehe.
Something you don't get in academic institutions any more.


FW: Re: OT: Minimum requirements for Photoshop CS?

2005-01-30 Thread pnstenquist
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I use a Mac G4 dual-processor 1.25 G with 1.5 gig of ram, an apple 21-inch 
cinema display monitor and an old Sylvania 17 inch CRT monitor alongside. The 
second monitor is nice for tools and windows. I have an 80 G internal hard 
drive 
and two external firewire drives: a 140 G and a 250 G. I print on an Epson 
2200. 
The setup works beautifully, but if I were starting from scratch today, I'd go 
with a G5 dual processor 2.5 G with the biggest internal drive available and a 
500G external firewire drive. I'd probably go with at least 2 G of ram. In 
fact, 
I'm going to add another 1/2 G of ram to my current setup. 
Paul


> Hello again all,
> 
> I thought I would tap into your experience again.  I
> know these are some of the minimum requirements for
> Photoshop CS:
> 
>  1) Intel® Pentium® III or 4 processor  
>  
>  2) Microsoft® Windows® 2000 with Service Pack 3 or
> Windows XP  
>  
>  3) 192MB of RAM (256MB recommended)  
>  
>  4) 280MB of available hard-disk space  
>  
>  5) Color monitor with 16-bit color or greater video
> card  
>  
>  6) 1,024x768 or greater monitor resolution  
> 
> I'm thinking of purchasing a new desktop sometime soon
> and would like to hear from user of Photoshop CS. 
> What type of a "system" would you build today to work
> with with Photoshop CS?  
> 
> What type of system do you have to backup your work?
> 
> Also, is $299 a good deal for Photoshop CS?  
> 
> TIA!
> 
> 
> 
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Re: OT: Minimum requirements for Photoshop CS?

2005-01-30 Thread pnstenquist
I use a Mac G4 dual-processor 1.25 G with 1.5 gig of ram, an apple 21-inch 
cinema display monitor and an old Sylvania 17 inch CRT monitor alongside. The 
second monitor is nice for tools and windows. I have an 80 G internal hard 
drive and two external firewire drives: a 140 G and a 250 G. I print on an 
Epson 2200. The setup works beautifully, but if I were starting from scratch 
today, I'd go with a G5 dual processor 2.5 G with the biggest internal drive 
available and a 500G external firewire drive. I'd probably go with at least 2 G 
of ram. In fact, I'm going to add another 1/2 G of ram to my current setup. 
Paul


> Hello again all,
> 
> I thought I would tap into your experience again.  I
> know these are some of the minimum requirements for
> Photoshop CS:
> 
>  1) Intel® Pentium® III or 4 processor  
>  
>  2) Microsoft® Windows® 2000 with Service Pack 3 or
> Windows XP  
>  
>  3) 192MB of RAM (256MB recommended)  
>  
>  4) 280MB of available hard-disk space  
>  
>  5) Color monitor with 16-bit color or greater video
> card  
>  
>  6) 1,024x768 or greater monitor resolution  
> 
> I'm thinking of purchasing a new desktop sometime soon
> and would like to hear from user of Photoshop CS. 
> What type of a "system" would you build today to work
> with with Photoshop CS?  
> 
> What type of system do you have to backup your work?
> 
> Also, is $299 a good deal for Photoshop CS?  
> 
> TIA!
> 
> 
> 
>   
>   
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Re: OT: Minimum requirements for Photoshop CS?

2005-01-30 Thread Paul Sorenson
If you're a student in either the Wisconsin Technical College or University 
System , Creative Suite is available for $199.

It includes:   Photoshop CS (image editing), Illustrator CS (drawing and 
illustration), Indesign CS (page layout), Golive CS (web design), Acrobat 
Professional (includes forms creation and enhanced tools to enable advanced 
control/exchange and output of graphically complex documents), Version Cue.

You just need to be currently registered for one class and have a student ID 
number.

Paul
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Subject: Re: OT: Minimum requirements for Photoshop CS?


"Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You can often find academic copies at computer shows.  You can also find
bootleg copies there as well.  Sometimes you can't tell one from the 
other.

Joseph Tainter wrote:
"Also, is $299 a good deal for Photoshop CS?"
I think the only place you can get a legitimate copy at this price is
at a university store that can sell it to faculty and students at an
academic price. Otherwise, this may be a bootleg copy. I believe the
normal price is about $650.
Academic pricing gets you the entire CS suite for $365.95.
http://www.academicsuperstore.com
Photoshop CS alone is about $265 at academic pricing.
--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com




Re: OT: Minimum requirements for Photoshop CS?

2005-01-30 Thread Mark Roberts
"Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>You can often find academic copies at computer shows.  You can also find 
>bootleg copies there as well.  Sometimes you can't tell one from the other.
>
>Joseph Tainter wrote:
>
>> "Also, is $299 a good deal for Photoshop CS?"
>>
>> I think the only place you can get a legitimate copy at this price is 
>> at a university store that can sell it to faculty and students at an 
>> academic price. Otherwise, this may be a bootleg copy. I believe the 
>> normal price is about $650.

Academic pricing gets you the entire CS suite for $365.95.
http://www.academicsuperstore.com
Photoshop CS alone is about $265 at academic pricing.


-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: OT: Minimum requirements for Photoshop CS?

2005-01-30 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 1/30/2005 11:04:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You can often find academic copies at computer shows.  You can also find 
bootleg copies there as well.  Sometimes you can't tell one from the other.

I've been registering as a college student the last couple of semesters just 
to get software/hardware at a discount. :-) Got Elements 3 at $30-40 off. 
(Also picked up some programming stuff last semester at about 1/2 price -- a 
major 
savings.)

And, well, there were a couple of courses I wanted to take too. Sort of. But 
the real impetus was definitely the student discount. You only need one course 
a semester. And junior colleges qualify, naturally. So you don't need to drop 
big bucks on tuition.

El cheapo. Actually, I firmly believe in life long learning. Right. Hehehehe.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)



Re: OT: Minimum requirements for Photoshop CS?

2005-01-30 Thread Peter J. Alling
You can often find academic copies at computer shows.  You can also find 
bootleg copies there as well.  Sometimes you can't tell one from the other.

Joseph Tainter wrote:
"Also, is $299 a good deal for Photoshop CS?"
I think the only place you can get a legitimate copy at this price is 
at a university store that can sell it to faculty and students at an 
academic price. Otherwise, this may be a bootleg copy. I believe the 
normal price is about $650.

Joe


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Re: OT: Minimum requirements for Photoshop CS?

2005-01-30 Thread Joseph Tainter
"Also, is $299 a good deal for Photoshop CS?"
I think the only place you can get a legitimate copy at this price is at 
a university store that can sell it to faculty and students at an 
academic price. Otherwise, this may be a bootleg copy. I believe the 
normal price is about $650.

Joe


Re: OT: Minimum requirements for Photoshop CS?

2005-01-30 Thread Cotty
On 30/1/05, Steve Pearson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I'm thinking of purchasing a new desktop sometime soon
>and would like to hear from user of Photoshop CS.

Sure.
 
>What type of a "system" would you build today to work
>with with Photoshop CS?  

PowerMac G5 out of the box.

>
>What type of system do you have to backup your work?

LaCie FireWire PocketDrive with 80GB drive, plus DVD-R.


Cheers,
  Cotty


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OT: Minimum requirements for Photoshop CS?

2005-01-30 Thread Steve Pearson
Hello again all,

I thought I would tap into your experience again.  I
know these are some of the minimum requirements for
Photoshop CS:

 1) Intel® Pentium® III or 4 processor  
 
 2) Microsoft® Windows® 2000 with Service Pack 3 or
Windows XP  
 
 3) 192MB of RAM (256MB recommended)  
 
 4) 280MB of available hard-disk space  
 
 5) Color monitor with 16-bit color or greater video
card  
 
 6) 1,024x768 or greater monitor resolution  

I'm thinking of purchasing a new desktop sometime soon
and would like to hear from user of Photoshop CS. 
What type of a "system" would you build today to work
with with Photoshop CS?  

What type of system do you have to backup your work?

Also, is $299 a good deal for Photoshop CS?  

TIA!





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