Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[P. J. Alling]

This is more interesting, especially the second half...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfZzmfjygwQ&NR

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>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8h2AMllP0Y>
>>
>> It's almost a video camera!!
>> 
>
> Remarkable speed. Not that I have even the first idea how I would use
> it other than to make motion pictures...
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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Cotty]

On 11/3/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Cotty, machine guns would only fire as long as they have ammo, right?

Er, yes.

And?

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RE: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Jens Bladt]

Funny movei. It zooms in further every time. After placing it 10 times I
don't get to see the guys face anmore!
Regards
jens

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On Mar 10, 2007, at 9:07 AM, David Savage wrote:

> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8h2AMllP0Y>
>
> It's almost a video camera!!

Remarkable speed. Not that I have even the first idea how I would use
it other than to make motion pictures...

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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[John Francis]

On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 08:37:58PM -0600, Nick Wright wrote:
> 
> The only good thing that I think comes out of so many frames per
> second is that it means that in single frame mode the camera is ready
> to take another picture at my press of the button that much sooner.

I quite agree.  That's why I want a 5fps or better body.  The PZ-1p
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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[David Savage]

With the wireless transmitter it's conceivable that the memory card
would never get full.

Cheers,

Dave

On 3/11/07, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cotty, machine guns would only fire as long as they have ammo, right?
>
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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Boris Liberman]

Cotty, machine guns would only fire as long as they have ammo, right?

;-)

Boris


Cotty wrote:
> On 10/3/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Remarkable speed. Not that I have even the first idea how I would use  
>> it other than to make motion pictures...
> 
> Good point. My 1DmII will do (allegedly) 8.5 fps but I hardly ever use
> that. In continuous mode there are two speed settings on the quick top-
> panel switches - high and low and the user can set the frame rates for
> both. I have high set at max and low set at 4 fps which is usually
> plenty. I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
> easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of old,
> as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
> focus confirmation beeps etc.
> 
> The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree, but it
> depends on the situation, surely. I have photographed football (soccer)
> and with some scenarios it is better to use the machine gun due to the
> frequent unpredictable nature of the game. Sure, lots of it is quite
> predictable, like a corner kick, but the scramble in the goal mouth can
> be totally whacky and half the time the decisive moment turns out to be
> not when and where one expects. Machine guns at 8 or 10 fps will get the
> result most of the time. if you're making money selling pictures like
> this, it's a no-brainer IMO.
> 
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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Bruce Dayton]

Guess I should chime in a bit here.  I just got back from shooting
little league baseball.  I do set the K10D to continuous but rarely
machine gun.  Pretty much I do that when I want an actual sequence of
shots rather than just trying to get the 'moment' - like a slide into
2nd or 3rd or a pitcher in windup and throwing.  The concept there is
that most of the frames are good rather than boring or throwaway.

However, I will say that there have been many times especially
shooting something less predictable like soccer where I have missed
the moment partly because I never really saw the moment.  I could see
sometimes getting an interesting shot in the bunch by machine gunning
in the thick of the action.

I don't shoot that way, but can see some logic in it.

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Saturday, March 10, 2007, 2:37:25 PM, you wrote:


GD> On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote:

>> Good point.
>> ...
>> I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
>> easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of
>> old,
>> as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
>> focus confirmation beeps etc.

GD> Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the
GD> K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures,
GD> unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/ 
GD> responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera
GD> always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am.

>> The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree,  
>> but it
>> depends on the situation, surely.  ...

GD> Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to
GD> work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally
GD> makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos.

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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Adam Maas]

I tend to shoot single frames. Continuous mode doesn't require 
spray-and-pray shooting, although it's difficult no to if the camera is 
setup for 8fps (That's actually one reason I don't want a high fps 
camera, the other being the inherent audible noise, my 10D is rather 
quiet compared to a 20D, let alone a 1D).

-Adam


Nick Wright wrote:
> I used to leave my EOS1D in continuous mode, which is rated for 8
> frames per second.
> 
> And I got sick and tired of shooting that way. So I set it to single
> frame as something of an experiment. And I believe that my photography
> is improving because of it.
> 
> Take the following example:
> In motor-drive mode I'd shoot 600+ images at a high school basketball
> game. Out of those 600 frames I'd get 10-20 "keepers." Now in single
> frame mode, I shoot 60 images at a game and I still get 10 to 20
> keepers. The only differences are that now each photo is a conscious
> act of creation (instead of spraying and praying), and I don't have to
> wade through 580 crap shots to find the good ones.
> 
> Also, in my experience with motor drive, if I missed the best action
> with the first shutter press, then all the subsequent frames missed it
> too. I can't think of a single time where I got a good action shot out
> of a motor sequence. The frames were always one bit too soon or one
> bit too late.
> 
> The only good thing that I think comes out of so many frames per
> second is that it means that in single frame mode the camera is ready
> to take another picture at my press of the button that much sooner.
> 
> On 3/10/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>> On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote:
>>>
 Good point.
 ...
 I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
 easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of
 old,
 as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
 focus confirmation beeps etc.
>>> Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the
>>> K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures,
>>> unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/
>>> responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera
>>> always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am.
>> Interesting as well. Right now I've got the 10D set to continuous, which
>> is how I normally have my film cameras setup (except the F3, which is
>> just too fast to leave in Continuous, unless I get around to buying a
>> MK-1 firing rate converter to slow it down). I find it's very easy on a
>> 2-3fps body to not shoot that extra frame, and sometimes I want the
>> extra frame and don't have time to reset the drive mode. The only DSLR I
>> left in single was the K100D, the shutter was just too sensitive for
>> continuous to be left on.
>>
 The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree,
 but it
 depends on the situation, surely.  ...
>>> Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to
>>> work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally
>>> makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos.
>>>
>>> Godfrey
>> Indeed it does, except for some particular circumstances, such as what
>> Cotty's shooting.
>>
>> -Adam
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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Nick Wright]

I used to leave my EOS1D in continuous mode, which is rated for 8
frames per second.

And I got sick and tired of shooting that way. So I set it to single
frame as something of an experiment. And I believe that my photography
is improving because of it.

Take the following example:
In motor-drive mode I'd shoot 600+ images at a high school basketball
game. Out of those 600 frames I'd get 10-20 "keepers." Now in single
frame mode, I shoot 60 images at a game and I still get 10 to 20
keepers. The only differences are that now each photo is a conscious
act of creation (instead of spraying and praying), and I don't have to
wade through 580 crap shots to find the good ones.

Also, in my experience with motor drive, if I missed the best action
with the first shutter press, then all the subsequent frames missed it
too. I can't think of a single time where I got a good action shot out
of a motor sequence. The frames were always one bit too soon or one
bit too late.

The only good thing that I think comes out of so many frames per
second is that it means that in single frame mode the camera is ready
to take another picture at my press of the button that much sooner.

On 3/10/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> > On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote:
> >
> >> Good point.
> >> ...
> >> I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
> >> easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of
> >> old,
> >> as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
> >> focus confirmation beeps etc.
> >
> > Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the
> > K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures,
> > unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/
> > responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera
> > always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am.
>
> Interesting as well. Right now I've got the 10D set to continuous, which
> is how I normally have my film cameras setup (except the F3, which is
> just too fast to leave in Continuous, unless I get around to buying a
> MK-1 firing rate converter to slow it down). I find it's very easy on a
> 2-3fps body to not shoot that extra frame, and sometimes I want the
> extra frame and don't have time to reset the drive mode. The only DSLR I
> left in single was the K100D, the shutter was just too sensitive for
> continuous to be left on.
>
> >
> >> The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree,
> >> but it
> >> depends on the situation, surely.  ...
> >
> > Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to
> > work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally
> > makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos.
> >
> > Godfrey
>
> Indeed it does, except for some particular circumstances, such as what
> Cotty's shooting.
>
> -Adam
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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Adam Maas]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote:
> 
>> Good point.
>> ...
>> I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
>> easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of  
>> old,
>> as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
>> focus confirmation beeps etc.
> 
> Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the  
> K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures,  
> unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/ 
> responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera  
> always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am.

Interesting as well. Right now I've got the 10D set to continuous, which 
is how I normally have my film cameras setup (except the F3, which is 
just too fast to leave in Continuous, unless I get around to buying a 
MK-1 firing rate converter to slow it down). I find it's very easy on a 
2-3fps body to not shoot that extra frame, and sometimes I want the 
extra frame and don't have time to reset the drive mode. The only DSLR I 
left in single was the K100D, the shutter was just too sensitive for 
continuous to be left on.

> 
>> The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree,  
>> but it
>> depends on the situation, surely.  ...
> 
> Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to  
> work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally  
> makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos.
> 
> Godfrey

Indeed it does, except for some particular circumstances, such as what 
Cotty's shooting.

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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Cotty]

On 10/3/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Remarkable speed. Not that I have even the first idea how I would use  
>it other than to make motion pictures...

Good point. My 1DmII will do (allegedly) 8.5 fps but I hardly ever use
that. In continuous mode there are two speed settings on the quick top-
panel switches - high and low and the user can set the frame rates for
both. I have high set at max and low set at 4 fps which is usually
plenty. I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of old,
as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
focus confirmation beeps etc.

The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree, but it
depends on the situation, surely. I have photographed football (soccer)
and with some scenarios it is better to use the machine gun due to the
frequent unpredictable nature of the game. Sure, lots of it is quite
predictable, like a corner kick, but the scramble in the goal mouth can
be totally whacky and half the time the decisive moment turns out to be
not when and where one expects. Machine guns at 8 or 10 fps will get the
result most of the time. if you're making money selling pictures like
this, it's a no-brainer IMO.



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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Cotty wrote:

> Good point.
> ...
> I don't use single frame, always 'continuous - low' which is
> easy to shoot single frames with. This is more like film cameras of  
> old,
> as I can shoot and focus at the same time instead of waiting for silly
> focus confirmation beeps etc.

Interesting differences in shooting methodology. I normally have the  
K10D set to one-shot as I rarely make more than one or two exposures,  
unless I have auto-bracketing turned on, and the focusing/ 
responsiveness of the K10D seems able to keep up with me: the camera  
always seems to be ready to make the next exposure at the moment I am.

> The decisive moment is the best way to shoot as most would agree,  
> but it
> depends on the situation, surely.  ...

Yes, I agree. Even for sports work, though, I've found it best to  
work on MY timing, not machine gun blast it. The latter generally  
makes for a whole lot of mostly boring photos.

Godfrey



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Re: OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 10, 2007, at 9:07 AM, David Savage wrote:

> 
>
> It's almost a video camera!!

Remarkable speed. Not that I have even the first idea how I would use  
it other than to make motion pictures...

G

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OT: Don't ever miss the decisive moment

[David Savage]

It's almost a video camera!!

Cheers,

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