Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Bummer, dude. When it comes to developing traditional B&W - the beauty of it is that there is no right or wrong way to do it. It is not an exercise in conforming to a rule or a process, it is an exercise in understanding how the film and developer interact and how your workflow (both in-camera and in-the-lab) affects that. That's why the tech sheets all talk about the recommended development times being the starting point for determining your own process. My expericne with commercial labs is that they just develop to standard times and leave it at that. Worst case - they combine multiple rolls and average times. So we stick films x y and z in the tank and their recommended development times in D76 1:1 are 10, 12, and 14 minutes. We'll do the whole lot at 12 minutes and call it a day. If you can't scan your own film I'd suggest using a chromogenic B&W - basically C41 film. Let the lab develop it and scan it. There the development process *is* an exercise in conforming to a rule, so you should get consistent results. If your images are too faint or too dense, you can attribute it to your exposure and not the processing. Kodak 400CN or Ilford XP2 come to mind. You might want to confirm with your lab that they can scan the Ilford without a color cast. - MCC On 5/29/2012 1:23 PM, Kenton Brede wrote: So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try. I bought a couple old Pentax cameras and started shooting. Locally we have a camera shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk. So I shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual film camera. So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me. So I worked with the owner and bought all the chemicals. I mixed the D-76 and Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight. So I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan three rolls. This is the breakdown: Prices for them to develop one roll of B&W and scan to disk. $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24 Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames. 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83 I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and the answer was, after consulting management, "We give a price break on the scanning, if you develop your film here." Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight. Anyway, just a rant. Sorry it was so long. I know there are cheaper scanning alternatives online. I really didn't want to purchase a scanner right away. I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to stick with film, before buying a scanner. But at those prices it wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
I was going to recommend checking with someone like Target, but I just found out they're pulling the film processors from all their photo-labs & won't do anything with film, not even scanning existing negatives to CD. You might ask Ritz/Wolf Camera if you have one nearby. I'm pretty sure they still process 35mm C-41 & the scanner is attached to the printer. Also some Walgreens stores can still do film. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Sorry, forgot to mention... On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > BTW: Can anyone recommend a place that will do medium format E6 and > scanning? I'm taking the 67 and a few rolls of Velvia down to GFM > (leaving tomorrow!) > For E-6 I use http://www.dwaynesphoto.com they are ok and scan slides good (but nothing exceptional). Used them for Kodachrome as well (with their last batches last year). D. -- //DG LOC(NJ) //* -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Hi! On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Dmitry Gromov wrote: > > >From the description, Kenton is doing regular B&W, which I doubt >>machines like the ones for C-41 exist... > > There are machines for regular B&W. The photo shop where I worked in > Pittsburgh had one. > Do those machines scan film right after processing it or you have to feed it into different one? I believe, current C-41 processors do it all automatically. >>Cutting into strips? That probably can also be arranged to keep in >>roll before scanning. > > It's usually preferable to keep the film in one long strip for > scanning. That's how we did it with the Fuji Frontier machine. > Yeah, I keep film in rolls until I'm done with all this and it is ready for archival. > BTW: Can anyone recommend a place that will do medium format E6 and > scanning? I'm taking the 67 and a few rolls of Velvia down to GFM > (leaving tomorrow!) > -- //DG LOC(NJ) //* -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Hi! On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kenton Brede wrote: > At first I thought there might be more automation involved, if they > developed. But their website says, "Hand processed by our skilled > technicians." They also have a 5 day turnaround for B&W, whereas > color is one day. Dmitry, I did ask them if I could pay for the > develop/scan, hand over my negs, and save them some work. She gave me > a look like, is this guy serious, and shook her head. LOL Yeah, strange, always wondered why those businesses are not that flexible... D. -- //DG LOC(NJ) //* -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
You know, I somehow doubt that they're machine processing Silver based B&W. On 5/29/2012 1:41 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: Their processor scans the film as it exits the dryer, writes the resultant data to CD. Little or no followup accounting for exposure error. Their scanner is calibrated to do the best with the images their machine provides. If you process your own, you most likely cut it into strips of 6 or 4, which they would have to feed through their scanner one strip at a time. It's unlikely that your negs would match the calibrated gamma their scanner is expecting. My thoughts on the subject, subject to re-interpretation by folks who know what they are talking about. Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time On May 29, 2012, at 10:23 , Kenton Brede wrote: So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try. I bought a couple old Pentax cameras and started shooting. Locally we have a camera shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk. So I shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual film camera. So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me. So I worked with the owner and bought all the chemicals. I mixed the D-76 and Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight. So I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan three rolls. This is the breakdown: Prices for them to develop one roll of B&W and scan to disk. $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24 Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames. 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83 I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and the answer was, after consulting management, "We give a price break on the scanning, if you develop your film here." Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight. Anyway, just a rant. Sorry it was so long. I know there are cheaper scanning alternatives online. I really didn't want to purchase a scanner right away. I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to stick with film, before buying a scanner. But at those prices it wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself. -- Kent Brede http://kentonbrede.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Dmitry Gromov wrote: >From the description, Kenton is doing regular B&W, which I doubt >machines like the ones for C-41 exist... There are machines for regular B&W. The photo shop where I worked in Pittsburgh had one. >Cutting into strips? That probably can also be arranged to keep in >roll before scanning. It's usually preferable to keep the film in one long strip for scanning. That's how we did it with the Fuji Frontier machine. BTW: Can anyone recommend a place that will do medium format E6 and scanning? I'm taking the 67 and a few rolls of Velvia down to GFM (leaving tomorrow!) -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Most local scanning services are outrageous. Look for a good used film scanner. You'll pay for it very quickly at their prices. However you'll also learn the joys of digital spotting in Photoshop, or some other similar program. Black and white film by it's nature will not allow Digital Ice, which is very good for dust and removal at scan time, to work properly. I can recommend the Benq/Acer Scanwit 2720s and 2740s scanners they work very well, for an moderately priced dedicated 35mm film scanner. The biggest problem is that their film carriers are a bit fragile, so you have to be careful using and buying used. True they only scan at 2700 dpi, but they give a full 36 bits of color depth. That's /only/ 9 mp but your local shop was most likely going to scan at 24 bits and 6mp. They are a bargain if you can find one. You'll probably have to invest in a modern SCSI card as the one supplied only has drivers up to Windows XP. Unless that's what you're using. The only difference the 20s and 40s is the inclusion of digital Ice in the latter. Not something you'll need if you're shooting Silver based B&W. One more thing you should probably invest in is Vuescan to replace the supplied MiraScan software which sux. On 5/29/2012 1:23 PM, Kenton Brede wrote: So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try. I bought a couple old Pentax cameras and started shooting. Locally we have a camera shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk. So I shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual film camera. So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me. So I worked with the owner and bought all the chemicals. I mixed the D-76 and Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight. So I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan three rolls. This is the breakdown: Prices for them to develop one roll of B&W and scan to disk. $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24 Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames. 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83 I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and the answer was, after consulting management, "We give a price break on the scanning, if you develop your film here." Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight. Anyway, just a rant. Sorry it was so long. I know there are cheaper scanning alternatives online. I really didn't want to purchase a scanner right away. I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to stick with film, before buying a scanner. But at those prices it wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
At first I thought there might be more automation involved, if they developed. But their website says, "Hand processed by our skilled technicians." They also have a 5 day turnaround for B&W, whereas color is one day. Dmitry, I did ask them if I could pay for the develop/scan, hand over my negs, and save them some work. She gave me a look like, is this guy serious, and shook her head. LOL Kent On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Dmitry Gromov wrote: > Hi! > > From the description, Kenton is doing regular B&W, which I doubt > machines like the ones for C-41 exist... > Cutting into strips? That probably can also be arranged to keep in > roll before scanning. > > So - I still don't buy that price difference. > > D. > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: >> Their processor scans the film as it exits the dryer, writes the resultant >> data to CD. Little or no followup accounting for exposure error. Their >> scanner is calibrated to do the best with the images their machine provides. >> >> If you process your own, you most likely cut it into strips of 6 or 4, which >> they would have to feed through their scanner one strip at a time. It's >> unlikely that your negs would match the calibrated gamma their scanner is >> expecting. >> >> My thoughts on the subject, subject to re-interpretation by folks who know >> what they are talking about. >> >> Joseph McAllister >> Lots of gear, not much time >> >> On May 29, 2012, at 10:23 , Kenton Brede wrote: >> >>> So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try. I bought a couple >>> old Pentax cameras and started shooting. Locally we have a camera >>> shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk. So I >>> shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual >>> film camera. So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing >>> the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me. So I worked >>> with the owner and bought all the chemicals. I mixed the D-76 and >>> Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight. So >>> I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan >>> three rolls. This is the breakdown: >>> >>> Prices for them to develop one roll of B&W and scan to disk. >>> >>> $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24 >>> >>> Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames. >>> >>> 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83 >>> >>> I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and >>> the answer was, after consulting management, "We give a price break on >>> the scanning, if you develop your film here." >>> >>> Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight. >>> >>> Anyway, just a rant. Sorry it was so long. I know there are cheaper >>> scanning alternatives online. I really didn't want to purchase a >>> scanner right away. I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to >>> stick with film, before buying a scanner. But at those prices it >>> wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself. >>> >>> -- >>> Kent Brede >>> http://kentonbrede.com/ >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > //DG LOC(NJ) > //* > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Kent Brede http://kentonbrede.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Hi! >From the description, Kenton is doing regular B&W, which I doubt machines like the ones for C-41 exist... Cutting into strips? That probably can also be arranged to keep in roll before scanning. So - I still don't buy that price difference. D. On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: > Their processor scans the film as it exits the dryer, writes the resultant > data to CD. Little or no followup accounting for exposure error. Their > scanner is calibrated to do the best with the images their machine provides. > > If you process your own, you most likely cut it into strips of 6 or 4, which > they would have to feed through their scanner one strip at a time. It's > unlikely that your negs would match the calibrated gamma their scanner is > expecting. > > My thoughts on the subject, subject to re-interpretation by folks who know > what they are talking about. > > Joseph McAllister > Lots of gear, not much time > > On May 29, 2012, at 10:23 , Kenton Brede wrote: > >> So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try. I bought a couple >> old Pentax cameras and started shooting. Locally we have a camera >> shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk. So I >> shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual >> film camera. So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing >> the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me. So I worked >> with the owner and bought all the chemicals. I mixed the D-76 and >> Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight. So >> I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan >> three rolls. This is the breakdown: >> >> Prices for them to develop one roll of B&W and scan to disk. >> >> $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24 >> >> Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames. >> >> 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83 >> >> I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and >> the answer was, after consulting management, "We give a price break on >> the scanning, if you develop your film here." >> >> Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight. >> >> Anyway, just a rant. Sorry it was so long. I know there are cheaper >> scanning alternatives online. I really didn't want to purchase a >> scanner right away. I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to >> stick with film, before buying a scanner. But at those prices it >> wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself. >> >> -- >> Kent Brede >> http://kentonbrede.com/ >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- //DG LOC(NJ) //* -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
on 2012-05-29 11:41 Joseph McAllister wrote If you process your own, you most likely cut it into strips of 6 or 4, which they would have to feed through their scanner one strip at a time. It's unlikely that your negs would match the calibrated gamma their scanner is expecting. exactly — there's a lot more operator time (and care) involved -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Their processor scans the film as it exits the dryer, writes the resultant data to CD. Little or no followup accounting for exposure error. Their scanner is calibrated to do the best with the images their machine provides. If you process your own, you most likely cut it into strips of 6 or 4, which they would have to feed through their scanner one strip at a time. It's unlikely that your negs would match the calibrated gamma their scanner is expecting. My thoughts on the subject, subject to re-interpretation by folks who know what they are talking about. Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time On May 29, 2012, at 10:23 , Kenton Brede wrote: > So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try. I bought a couple > old Pentax cameras and started shooting. Locally we have a camera > shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk. So I > shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual > film camera. So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing > the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me. So I worked > with the owner and bought all the chemicals. I mixed the D-76 and > Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight. So > I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan > three rolls. This is the breakdown: > > Prices for them to develop one roll of B&W and scan to disk. > > $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24 > > Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames. > > 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83 > > I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and > the answer was, after consulting management, "We give a price break on > the scanning, if you develop your film here." > > Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight. > > Anyway, just a rant. Sorry it was so long. I know there are cheaper > scanning alternatives online. I really didn't want to purchase a > scanner right away. I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to > stick with film, before buying a scanner. But at those prices it > wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself. > > -- > Kent Brede > http://kentonbrede.com/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
Hi! That is an unfortunate truth about scanning. You either buy your own scanner or give up your own development. Did you propose to your local lab to pay development "surcharge"? They would save on chemicals... Dmitry On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Kenton Brede wrote: > So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try. I bought a couple > old Pentax cameras and started shooting. Locally we have a camera > shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk. So I > shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual > film camera. So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing > the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me. So I worked > with the owner and bought all the chemicals. I mixed the D-76 and > Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight. So > I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan > three rolls. This is the breakdown: > > Prices for them to develop one roll of B&W and scan to disk. > > $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24 > > Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames. > > 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83 > > I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and > the answer was, after consulting management, "We give a price break on > the scanning, if you develop your film here." > > Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight. > > Anyway, just a rant. Sorry it was so long. I know there are cheaper > scanning alternatives online. I really didn't want to purchase a > scanner right away. I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to > stick with film, before buying a scanner. But at those prices it > wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself. > > -- > Kent Brede > http://kentonbrede.com/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- //DG LOC(NJ) //* -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Local 35mm Negative Scanning Prices
So I decided a few weeks ago to give film a try. I bought a couple old Pentax cameras and started shooting. Locally we have a camera shop that will develop black and white film and scan to disk. So I shot a few rolls and really liked the process of shooting a manual film camera. So I thought I'd go a little deeper and start developing the negatives and have the same shop scan them for me. So I worked with the owner and bought all the chemicals. I mixed the D-76 and Fixer last night in preparation of developing three rolls tonight. So I called them this morning and asked what the price would be to scan three rolls. This is the breakdown: Prices for them to develop one roll of B&W and scan to disk. $5.25 developing fee, $3.99 for the scan to CD = $9.24 Prices for them to scan my negatives, 36 frames. 69 cents per image, $3.99 for CD = $28.83 I asked why they were charging so much more for doing less work, and the answer was, after consulting management, "We give a price break on the scanning, if you develop your film here." Needless to say, I won't be developing my negatives tonight. Anyway, just a rant. Sorry it was so long. I know there are cheaper scanning alternatives online. I really didn't want to purchase a scanner right away. I wanted to wait to make sure I was going to stick with film, before buying a scanner. But at those prices it wouldn't take long for the scanner to pay for itself. -- Kent Brede http://kentonbrede.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
