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> Better yet, let's forget politics altogether and talk about Pentax lenses, > cameras, and photography. :) Yay !!! Fred
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At 05:37 AM 8/21/2005, Frantisek wrote: G> I really don't think there will be much "hand shaking" if you put G> extremists of opposite polarity together. I really don't think the G> "political spectrum" is a circle. The circle, as a simplification but much better one than left-right line is accepted in political science in academic circles. Once you think about it, it makes sense. And if you don't think there will be hand shaking with opposite polarity extremists, you really don't know extremists in reality (which is probably a good thing for you!). Sorry, I've thought about it, but I still don't think a circle is an acceptable model for what many refer to as the "political spectrum". Instead of telling me that it's an accepted model by some academics, and that if I think about it, it will make sense, why don't you simply explain it to me? I say, if it can't be explained, then it doesn't make sense. ;-) Better yet, let's forget politics altogether and talk about Pentax lenses, cameras, and photography. :) take care, Glen
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On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:54:57 +0200, Frantisek wrote: > >> And if you don't think there will be hand shaking with opposite polarity > >> extremists, you really don't know extremists in reality (which is > >> probably a good thing for you!). > > F> And I don't even know how to respond to that statement... > > I simply meant that there are many cases of e.g. > left-wing extremists becoming right-wing extremists or vice versa. Actually, it means that they use the same methods: suppressive dictatorships, "convert or die", regardless of whether they claim to be right- or left-wing. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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>> is accepted in political science in academic circles. F> It is also laughed at in academic circles (no pun intended). I guess it depends on the uni or lecturer ;-) there are so many different views... >> And if you don't think there will be hand shaking with opposite polarity >> extremists, you really don't know extremists in reality (which is >> probably a good thing for you!). F> And I don't even know how to respond to that statement... I simply meant that there are many cases of e.g. left-wing extremists becoming right-wing extremists or vice versa. F> Replacing one oversimplification with another oversimplification does not F> progress make. Ok :) Good light! fra
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> The circle, as a simplification but much better one than left-right line > is accepted in political science in academic circles. It is also laughed at in academic circles (no pun intended). > Once you think about it, it makes sense. The more I think about it the ~less~ it makes sense. > And if you don't think there will be hand shaking with opposite polarity > extremists, you really don't know extremists in reality (which is > probably a good thing for you!). And I don't even know how to respond to that statement... Replacing one oversimplification with another oversimplification does not progress make. Fred
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G> I really don't think there will be much "hand shaking" if you put G> extremists of opposite polarity together. I really don't think the G> "political spectrum" is a circle. The circle, as a simplification but much better one than left-right line is accepted in political science in academic circles. Once you think about it, it makes sense. And if you don't think there will be hand shaking with opposite polarity extremists, you really don't know extremists in reality (which is probably a good thing for you!). Good light! fra
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On 20/8/05, Glen, discombobulated, unleashed: >I also don't see how this is relevant to Pentax cameras. Mark! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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At 12:48 PM 8/20/2005, Doug Franklin wrote: On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:27:58 -0400, Glen wrote: > >The political spectrum is not a line, it's a circle. > If I'm liberal enough, then I actually become conservative? > I'm not sure how that's supposed to work... ;-) Think a clock face, with moderates at twelve and dictators of different political stripes shaking hands over the six. I really don't think there will be much "hand shaking" if you put extremists of opposite polarity together. I really don't think the "political spectrum" is a circle. I also don't see how this is relevant to Pentax cameras. ;-) take care, Glen
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On 20/8/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: >that's a semicircle. > >I think it's a multicoloured dodecahedron with a sort of knobbly potato >shape cut out of the middle and bisected by 6-dimensional string. At least, >that's how I imagine it. Fish. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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- Original Message - From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think it's a multicoloured dodecahedron with a sort of knobbly potato shape cut out of the middle and bisected by 6-dimensional string. At least, that's how I imagine it. With the occasional sparc of octarine light emanating from the intersections. Cheers, Rincewind and Twoflower
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>> >The political spectrum is not a line, it's a circle. >> If I'm liberal enough, then I actually become conservative? > head> I'm not sure how that's supposed to work... ;-) > Think a clock face, with moderates at twelve and dictators of different > political stripes shaking hands over the six. Some people claim this, but the concept is far from universally accepted. And, I personally do not see it at all (although I do see that the "simple straight line" concept is an oversimplification, too). Fred
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that's a semicircle. I think it's a multicoloured dodecahedron with a sort of knobbly potato shape cut out of the middle and bisected by 6-dimensional string. At least, that's how I imagine it. -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: Doug Franklin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 20 August 2005 17:48 > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: OT: Who is behind the scene of Komkon hosting > P*G (was: Recommended SD Cards > > On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:27:58 -0400, Glen wrote: > > > >The political spectrum is not a line, it's a circle. > > > If I'm liberal enough, then I actually become conservative? > > > I'm not sure how that's supposed to work... ;-) > > Think a clock face, with moderates at twelve and dictators of > different political stripes shaking hands over the six. > > TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ > > > > >
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:27:58 -0400, Glen wrote: > >The political spectrum is not a line, it's a circle. > If I'm liberal enough, then I actually become conservative? > I'm not sure how that's supposed to work... ;-) Think a clock face, with moderates at twelve and dictators of different political stripes shaking hands over the six. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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- Original Message - From: "Glen" If I'm liberal enough, then I actually become conservative? head> I'm not sure how that's supposed to work... ;-) If you are conservative enough, you are a kook. If you are liberal enough, you are a kook. Either way, you are a kook. WW
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At 09:25 PM 8/19/2005, Doug Franklin wrote: On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:37:34 -0400 (EDT), Igor Roshchin wrote: > There is a line where the two extremes meet together and > become practically indistinguishable. :-) The political spectrum is not a line, it's a circle. That's a strange thought... If I'm liberal enough, then I actually become conservative? I'm not sure how that's supposed to work... ;-) take care, Glen
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:37:34 -0400 (EDT), Igor Roshchin wrote: > There is a line where the two extremes meet together and > become practically indistinguishable. :-) The political spectrum is not a line, it's a circle. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > - Original Message - > From: "Igor Roshchin" > Subject: Re: OT: Who is behind the scene of Komkon hosting P*G (was: > Recommended SD Cards > > > > > Both Americas are on the left site of [old] England. > > (well, at least when you look on a standard map :-P) ) > > > > :-) > > I think you have to go farther right to get to America, rather than > left.. > HAR!! > > William Robb > There is a line where the two extremes meet together and become practically indistinguishable. :-) It was assumed that it was over the edge (when the Earth was thought being flat), and it was considered to be the end of the Earth. I am not sure if that's no longer true. Igor
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- Original Message - From: "Igor Roshchin" Subject: Re: OT: Who is behind the scene of Komkon hosting P*G (was: Recommended SD Cards Both Americas are on the left site of [old] England. (well, at least when you look on a standard map :-P) ) :-) I think you have to go farther right to get to America, rather than left.. HAR!! William Robb
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> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:41:35 +0100 > From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 18/8/05, Fred, discombobulated, unleashed: > >OK, Steve - sorry - I just overreacted. Carry on then... > > Bloody leftist liberals! > Cotty, Both Americas are on the left site of [old] England. (well, at least when you look on a standard map :-P) ) :-) Igor
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On 18/8/05, Fred, discombobulated, unleashed: >OK, Steve - sorry - I just overreacted. Carry on then... Bloody leftist liberals! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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> Fred wrote: >> Is there a need to insult the people who've contributed to the Pentax >> Lens gallery ??? > Nope, and I wasn't. I was thinking up an alternative meaning for the > acronym, with the intention of mild amusement. OK, Steve - sorry - I just overreacted. Carry on then... Fred
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Fred wrote: Is there a need to insult the people who've contributed to the Pentax Lens gallery ??? Nope, and I wasn't. I was thinking up an alternative meaning for the acronym, with the intention of mild amusement. S
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> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:09:13 -0400 > From: Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Steve Jolly > Subject: Re: OT: Who is behind the scene of Komkon hosting P*G (was: > Recommended SD Cards > > >> What's PLG? > > > "Pentax Losers' Gallery" > > Is there a need to insult the people who've contributed to the Pentax Lens > gallery ??? > > Fred > Fred, I don't think it was meant to be offensive. He just was making a joke without any relation to the lens gallery and/or people involved. Actually, I read that when I was just waking up, and the combination of this phrase with the followup from DagT "The Canon users gallery?" made me loughing loudly, so that my wife asked what was the reason of my loughter. Igor
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>> What's PLG? > "Pentax Losers' Gallery" Is there a need to insult the people who've contributed to the Pentax Lens gallery ??? Fred
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mike wilson wrote: From: Igor Roshchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PPS. Just before sending this message out, I re-read it, and decided to provide a disclaimer: this was not intended to be a shameless advertisement for Komkon or other parties involved. Well, maybe except for PUG and PLG. :-) What's PLG? I wondered, too -- so I clicked on the link to find out ...
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> fra: Steve Jolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > mike wilson wrote: > > What's PLG? > > "Pentax Losers' Gallery" > The Canon users gallery? DagT
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mike wilson wrote: What's PLG? "Pentax Losers' Gallery" S
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:01:00 +0200, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Igor Roshchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PPS. Just before sending this message out, I re-read it, and decided to provide a disclaimer: this was not intended to be a shameless advertisement for Komkon or other parties involved. Well, maybe except for PUG and PLG. :-) What's PLG? Not that hard to find out: http://plg.komkon.org/ -- Regards, Lucas
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On 18/8/05, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: > >What's PLG? > You've never heard of the Pentax Lickers Gallery??? Boy have you got some serious licking to do. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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> > From: Igor Roshchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > PPS. Just before sending this message out, I re-read it, and decided > to provide a disclaimer: this was not intended to be a shameless > advertisement for Komkon or other parties involved. > Well, maybe except for PUG and PLG. :-) What's PLG? - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
OT: Who is behind the scene of Komkon hosting P*G (was: Recommended SD Cards for istDs)
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:15:19 +0100 > From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: Recommended SD Cards for istDs > > Fred wrote: > > >>I hope this helps. > > > > > >>Igor [Igor Roshchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > > > > > OK - Here's the chance for you guys to personally and publicly thank Igor > > for the Komkon sponsorship of Pentaxian web sites (http://pug.komkon.org > > and http://plg.komkon.org/). > > > > Thanks, Igor. > > > > Fred > > Seconded. > > mike > Fred, Mike, thank you for your kind words! Well, it's really my pleasure that we can host both web-sites. Komkon was founded with the intent of hosting commerce-free (and ad-free) web-sites of the topics that appeal to the Komkon administration. I've been on and off the list since 1997 when I purchased my first Pentax - ZX-5n. (Actually, since even before I purchased it, - as the list helped with some information on that camera and lenses.) Due to lack of time, I have no possibility to read the list all the time, but I like coming back to it as a valuable resource for answers to my questions, also sharing my knowledge and experience when I can. I've been lurking time-to-time, and was glad to see people enjoying those nice galleries, being put together monthly by Doug Brewer, Steve Graham, Mark Cassino, William Robb, and most recently, - Adelheid von Kirschten together with all the people who've been helping her in that. ( http://pug.komkon.org/general/Enablers.html ) And I enjoyed interaction with all these people and with Fred when he decided to host the PLG on Komkon. The person who really stays behind the scene is the CEO of the main Komkon sponsor Frontier Vision Technologies Inc. (aka "Frontex"), Tim Ruban. He and his company provide all the financial support, including hardware, network bandidwth, etc. I do not mean to call for a mass-action (or e-mail flash mob). :-) But, if someone feels really strongly about thanking someone for the hosting of PUG and PLG, one can write a nice personal e-mail to Tim at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (He does not read PUG, nor does he do much photography himself). This would tell him that the projects hosted by Komkon are alive and are indeed useful to and enjoyed by other people, and, hence, will help to assure continued support of Komkon. (There is a difference between when I tell him that, and when he hears that from somebody else). Also, it would be the best award to him (see his "motto": http://www.komkon.org/~tima/ ), as he would definitely enjoy hearing that his efforts do not vanish in vain. Using this chance, I'd like to thank people for all what I learned on this list. Igor PS. Hi Fred, nice to hear from you. It's been a while since I've "seen" you. PPS. Just before sending this message out, I re-read it, and decided to provide a disclaimer: this was not intended to be a shameless advertisement for Komkon or other parties involved. Well, maybe except for PUG and PLG. :-)
