Re: OT - An interesting fake?
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:19:58 -0400, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What could possibly be lower on the food chain than a FED? Depends on how you see it. I find Feds (and Zorkis, Kievs, etc) to be fascinating examples of how camera design will evolve without market forces and competition as we know it shaping it. Besides: Feds and Zorkis as copies of Leicas, but so were early Canons and many cameras made in the west. Everybody was copying Leica in the 30's-50's. Nikon was copying Contax. Interestingly, Kievs are not Contax copies, but Contax clones, made with a lot of the same machinery used up until the war by Zeiss, which was taken by the Soviets (with the blessings of the US and UK) as war reparations. And last, there are some very nice lenses on Leica screw mount. They are cheap, and good examples are not hard to find. j (tape on my camera, and a Russian lens...) -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog
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I have a FED that is nearly identical to my Leica iiif, and it seems to function almost as well. I think the shutter is a tiny bit noisier, but it may just be underlubricated. Other than that, it's a smooth operating, nicely made camera. The FED came with an Industar 50/3.5, which is a dead ringer for an Elmar. The lens is good but not great. I have the excellent Summicron 50/2 Collapsible on my Leica. One of these days I'll have to screw it onto the FED and shoot a roll just for grins. Paul On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:19:58 -0400, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What could possibly be lower on the food chain than a FED? Depends on how you see it. I find Feds (and Zorkis, Kievs, etc) to be fascinating examples of how camera design will evolve without market forces and competition as we know it shaping it. Besides: Feds and Zorkis as copies of Leicas, but so were early Canons and many cameras made in the west. Everybody was copying Leica in the 30's-50's. Nikon was copying Contax. Interestingly, Kievs are not Contax copies, but Contax clones, made with a lot of the same machinery used up until the war by Zeiss, which was taken by the Soviets (with the blessings of the US and UK) as war reparations. And last, there are some very nice lenses on Leica screw mount. They are cheap, and good examples are not hard to find. j (tape on my camera, and a Russian lens...) -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog
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I've used some of these fakes ... much prefer to call them copies or replicas ... as well as some Jupiter lenses, They're OK ... the Jupiter lenses are actually better than some of the older Leica glass. Once again, we have seen negative comments from people who've probably not used the items in question. JCO Syndrome ... easily cured by exposure to the questionable item or technique. Shel I have a FED that is nearly identical to my Leica iiif, On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:19:58 -0400, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What could possibly be lower on the food chain than a FED?
Re: OT - An interesting fake?
- Original Message - From: Caveman Subject: Re: OT - An interesting fake? Shel Belinkoff wrote: Theory may be fine, but practical experience is paramount. Cut the crap, Shel. This sounds sooo Rubensteinian. Theory comes from practice too. In theory, bumblebees cannot fly. Apparently, they have all the aerodynamics of a Yugo. Bumblebees don't give a damn about theory, they just know they have a job to do, and that flower isn't getting any closer to the ground. William Robb
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Which theory is that, Wheatfield ? William Robb wrote: In theory, bumblebees cannot fly.
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mike wilson wrote: Hi, Shel Belinkoff wrote: I don't see it as unfair at all. See my most recent post. I think JCO is arguing on one level, others on a different level. Theory may be fine, but practical experience is paramount. The nub of the matter, indeed. But to me it went like this: Larry: I've done this, with this technique JCO: Nice but it wouldn't work with some of the things I use LF for. Others who shall be nameless: It works for Larry, it damn well should work for you. The practical experience needs to be about the theory one is discussing. Yet another shining example of the failings of email. Which this is probably contributing to. What a waste of electrons. Don't you mean What a senseless waste of electrons, the horror, the horror). mike -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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Based on 19th century Victorian physics a honey bee cannot fly, it does anyway so the theory had to be re-evaluated. We now build flying robots based on the new theory. Wheatfield is just a bit behind. Caveman wrote: Which theory is that, Wheatfield ? William Robb wrote: In theory, bumblebees cannot fly. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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No, in theory bumblebees can fly fine. The engineers just did not understand some things that bumblebees did 50 years ago. Like the fuzziness broke up the laminar airflow and reduced drag exponentially. You ought to check out those hoary old cliches before using them, we actually know a bit more now than they did when they were first used. GRIN! -- William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Caveman Subject: Re: OT - An interesting fake? Shel Belinkoff wrote: Theory may be fine, but practical experience is paramount. Cut the crap, Shel. This sounds sooo Rubensteinian. Theory comes from practice too. In theory, bumblebees cannot fly. Apparently, they have all the aerodynamics of a Yugo. Bumblebees don't give a damn about theory, they just know they have a job to do, and that flower isn't getting any closer to the ground. William Robb -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
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Even as a fake it was probably a bargain for curiosity's sake alone. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3840869834ssPageName= ADME:B:WN:AU:1 regards, Anthony Farr
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For those who detest long URLs disrupted by line breaks: http://tinyurl.com/6a9sn regards, Anthony Farr -Original Message- From: Anthony Farr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 24 September 2004 1:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT - An interesting fake? Even as a fake it was probably a bargain for curiosity's sake alone. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3840869834ssPageNa me= ADME:B:WN:AU:1 regards, Anthony Farr
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There's a shop here in Portland, OR that sells some interesting fake Leicas, many with the swastika. The only interesting fake I own is a FED, a Russian copy of a screw mount Leica. Jim A. From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:18:38 +1000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT - An interesting fake? Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:18:51 -0400 Even as a fake it was probably a bargain for curiosity's sake alone. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3840869834ssPageName= ADME:B:WN:AU:1 regards, Anthony Farr
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What could possibly be lower on the food chain than a FED? Bob W wrote: Hi, There's a shop here in Portland, OR that sells some interesting fake Leicas, many with the swastika. The only interesting fake I own is a FED, a Russian copy of a screw mount Leica. a FED is not a fake Leica - it may be a copy, but it's not trying to pass itself off. You might have a fake FED, though. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:19:58 -0400, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What could possibly be lower on the food chain than a FED? A Holga? A fake Holga? -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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What could possibly be lower on the food chain than a FED? Zorki?
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What could possibly be lower on the food chain than a FED? Zorki? Possibly, although the Holga is clearly down there just not exactly a Leica copy. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
