Re: OT: Nikon Df

[Rob Studdert]

On 6 November 2013 00:51, Darren Addy  wrote:
> I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF
> ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200.

Yeah, it's a bit steep, buying the #2 body would hurt.

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Re: OT: Nikon Df

[Boris Liberman]

I shoot 100% hand-held. That is, I don't use tripod. It seems logical to 
me that the additional degree of sharpness and/or resolution provided by 
lack of AA filter is negligible compared to the effects caused by 
hand-held shooting.


Although if you shoot mostly with tripod, then it would make sense.

But then again, this camera has "only" 16MP to begin with.

On 11/5/2013 4:09 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

I think it is a gorgeous looking camera. Their silver version actually
looks old-school (not plastic) but I would probably have to see/hold
one in person to be sure about that. I haven't seen anything said
about whether it has an AA filter or not, which I am most curious
about.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:

I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF
($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Rob Studdert  wrote:

It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :)

On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio  wrote:

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet:

http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/

In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in
silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far
off?

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Re: OT: Nikon Df

[John]

It's the next thing to $3000 with the kit lens. I think I could find a
way to pay that much for an honest-to-god Digital LX with a FA50/1.4.

The only flaw I really see in it is it doesn't take K-mount lenses.

On 11/5/2013 8:51 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF
($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Rob Studdert  wrote:

It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :)

On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio  wrote:

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet:

http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/

In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in
silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far
off?

John



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Re: OT: Nikon Df

[Darren Addy]

Tom is right. I stand corrected.
Overstock.com is legit but the similarly named overstockdigital.com is not.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Tom C  wrote:
>> From: Darren Addy 
>>
>> I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF
>> ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200.
>>
>
> Are you sure about that?
>
> I can't find a single Nikon camera of any kind (DSLR, MILC, P&S) on
> overstock.com at the moment. There's overstockdigital.com and they
> claim to have the D800 for $2109 but they appear to be one of the very
> disreputable resellers, the kind that operate out of graffiti covered
> garages.
>
> B&H and Amazon have the D800 for $2,796.95. Always hard to believe
> when a site claims to have a price hundreds of dollars lower than the
> #1 specialty retailer, and #1 online retailer.
>
> At the US price the Df would be easy to justify for someone that
> wanted a D4, didn't care about video, and wasn't concerned about the
> D4's 11 fps. I suspect some people who were planning on a D4 will get
> the Df instead. It would be easy to do at less than 1/2 the price.
>
> On the other hand it's 83% of the price of a D800E, so giving up 20MP
> at that price is a bit hard to swallow.
>
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Re: OT: Nikon Df

[Tom C]

> From: Darren Addy 
>
> I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF
> ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200.
>

Are you sure about that?

I can't find a single Nikon camera of any kind (DSLR, MILC, P&S) on
overstock.com at the moment. There's overstockdigital.com and they
claim to have the D800 for $2109 but they appear to be one of the very
disreputable resellers, the kind that operate out of graffiti covered
garages.

B&H and Amazon have the D800 for $2,796.95. Always hard to believe
when a site claims to have a price hundreds of dollars lower than the
#1 specialty retailer, and #1 online retailer.

At the US price the Df would be easy to justify for someone that
wanted a D4, didn't care about video, and wasn't concerned about the
D4's 11 fps. I suspect some people who were planning on a D4 will get
the Df instead. It would be easy to do at less than 1/2 the price.

On the other hand it's 83% of the price of a D800E, so giving up 20MP
at that price is a bit hard to swallow.

Tom C.

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Re: OT - Nikon Df

[Darren Addy]

The quote that is best from this review of the DF: "We're not entirely
convinced this will offer a fast and fluid shooting experience with
the camera to your eye"

And this is where Pentax has room to surpass Nikon in the
retro-design. Imagine a camera that captures the looks of the original
MX or LX, but has the eye-to-the-viewfinder functionality of the
pZ-1p. It would also be cool if it provided a split-prism center
screen (to work well, out of the box, with MF lenses) and yet not
sacrifice AF. That would be a coup. If Pentax's full frame does not
sacrifice all video capabilities, I think that would be a win for
sales.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
>
> Interesting point - supports use of very old lenses. Mind you, would
> have been stupid not to.
>
> Ricoh: how about a LX-D please :-)
>
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Re: OT: Nikon Df

[Darren Addy]

I think it is a gorgeous looking camera. Their silver version actually
looks old-school (not plastic) but I would probably have to see/hold
one in person to be sure about that. I haven't seen anything said
about whether it has an AA filter or not, which I am most curious
about.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF
> ($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200.
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Rob Studdert  wrote:
>> It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :)
>>
>> On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio  wrote:
>>> I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet:
>>>
>>> http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/
>>>
>>> In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in
>>> silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far
>>> off?
>>>
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Re: OT: Nikon Df

[Darren Addy]

I'm sure you saw the accidentally leaked price on Amazon for the DF
($2746). I saw the D800 on Overstock.com the other day for $2200.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Rob Studdert  wrote:
> It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :)
>
> On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio  wrote:
>> I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet:
>>
>> http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/
>>
>> In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in
>> silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far
>> off?
>>
>> John
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Re: OT: Nikon Df

[Rob Studdert]

It's nice, if it had a K mount or if I was much richer I'd buy one :)

On 5 November 2013 13:35, John Celio  wrote:
> I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet:
>
> http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/
>
> In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in
> silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far
> off?
>
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OT - Nikon Df

[Steve Cottrell]

Interesting point - supports use of very old lenses. Mind you, would
have been stupid not to.

Ricoh: how about a LX-D please :-)

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Re: OT: Nikon Df

[Boris Liberman]

LOL, Zos. It means you're not proper Pentax fan, you know.

Back in the days when people were busy comparing Kodak and Fuji films, 
Nikon had F70 which had modern electronic hard to understand UI and 
Pentax OTOH introduced MZ-5 and later MZ-5n which was absolutely 
brilliant instant cult classic camera. Why - just because instead of the 
electronic gizmotry it had pretty much the same dial controls as this 
Nikon. You had aperture ring on the lens with A position in case you 
wanted the camera to do the choosing for you. You had a shutter speed 
ring on top of the camera with A position in case you did not want to 
bother with that. You had exposure compensation ring... Ultimately you 
would look on top plate of the camera and see on the spot everything you 
needed to know in terms of photographic settings.


I think this camera is absolutely brilliant. It does pretty much exactly 
what Pentaxians were asking for so long and probably won't see happen - 
a photographic camera (no video, thank you) with proper mechanical 
controls (no 12 page menu system, thank you so much) for the important 
settings that is as compatible as Nikon cameras can possibly be, 
including but not limited to the oldest Nikon mount lenses ever produced.


It has sensibly few pixels on its sensor, it is not too big or too heavy 
and I reckon, given Nikon brilliance in all things mechanical as far as 
their top tier models go, it will also be rather reliable and joyful to 
operate.


I have Pentax MX and it is extremely easy to operate without taking eyes 
off the viewfinder.


The only downsize of this camera is rather high price, but I am sure 
soon enough it would be possible to have it for less money.


All in all - Nikon is doing right things.

On 11/5/2013 5:14 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:

It looks nice for sure. The controls look awkward and would require 2
hands in a lot of settings changes however. I think DSLRs have evolved
forward for a reason. I'm a huge fan of designs that allow one handed,
eye level settings changes.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:35 PM, John Celio
 wrote:

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet:

http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/

In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in
silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far
off?

John

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Re: OT: Nikon Df

[Zos Xavius]

It looks nice for sure. The controls look awkward and would require 2
hands in a lot of settings changes however. I think DSLRs have evolved
forward for a reason. I'm a huge fan of designs that allow one handed,
eye level settings changes.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:35 PM, John Celio
 wrote:
> I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet:
>
> http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/
>
> In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in
> silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far
> off?
>
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OT: Nikon Df

[John Celio]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here yet:

http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/04/this-is-the-nikon-df.aspx/

In my opinion, that is a pretty sweet looking camera, especially in
silver. Maybe the rumors of an LX-style Pentax camera aren't too far
off?

John

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