Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:06 PM, William Robb wrote: > I'm waiting for some smart person to argue that there are too many laws to > reasonably be expected to know, and that ignorance of at least some of the > more obscure laws probably is an excuse. I saw a quote ages ago... "If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged." - Cardinal Richelieu -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
From: William Robb On 26/06/2012 11:39 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: It's a secret list. Much easier to levy fines when the public is ignorant of the law, and ignorance of the law is no excuse... I'm waiting for some smart person to argue that there are too many laws to reasonably be expected to know, and that ignorance of at least some of the more obscure laws probably is an excuse. Regarding the law in question, I have my doubts it would survive a court challenge. Ignorance of the law is a valid defense only if you are a major multi-national corporation. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
I favor fewer laws. Vague is good. I only have to think "Should I be doin' this?" to keep from screwing up. Sent from my iPad Jeffery L. Smith New Orleans, Louisiana USA On Jun 26, 2012, at 19:06, William Robb wrote: > On 26/06/2012 11:39 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: >> It's a secret list. Much easier to levy fines when the public is >> ignorant of the law, and ignorance of the law is no excuse... >> > > I'm waiting for some smart person to argue that there are too many laws to > reasonably be expected to know, and that ignorance of at least some of the > more obscure laws probably is an excuse. > Regarding the law in question, I have my doubts it would survive a court > challenge. > > -- > > William Robb > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
On 26/06/2012 11:39 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: It's a secret list. Much easier to levy fines when the public is ignorant of the law, and ignorance of the law is no excuse... I'm waiting for some smart person to argue that there are too many laws to reasonably be expected to know, and that ignorance of at least some of the more obscure laws probably is an excuse. Regarding the law in question, I have my doubts it would survive a court challenge. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 7:44 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > If the > government defines profane, that by extension defines sacred. The government > is not allowed to establish religion. I have no opinion on the law, however your first sentence there is illogical (on multiple levels), making your second irrelevant to the discussion. But don't let me spoil the fun of those wishing to accept your premise and follow you down the rabbit hole. : ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
On Jun 24, 2012, at 05:44 , John Sessoms wrote: > The government is not allowed to establish religion. Didn't they form the Republican Party? Or was that Wall Street? Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ Nature is considerably more creative and inventive than humankind. Without Nature there isn't any humankind. Without humankind, Nature is fine.” -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
That's strictly true. Congress shall make no law... Until the 14th amendment there was no specific passage in The Constitution to keep States from violating their citizens natural rights that were Guaranteed by the Federal Constitution. It was generally assumed that they wouldn't dare. That was changed with the 14th amendment, but that still doesn't apply, as the Commonwealth of Massotwoshits, is not Congress. The Commonwealth is well within it's powers to create a State Religion within Massachusetts, that is between the people and government of that particular state. I'm not familiar enough with the state constitution, of that particular benighted region to know if a state religion is prohibited there, but it hardly matters, if it's like Connecticut, enough of the state constitution is ignored to make any such point moot. It's fun to live in a lawless society, if you get to enforce the "laws". On 6/24/2012 8:44 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Igor Roshchin If you haven't heard this news yet, - if you swear in Middleborough, in Mbuttachusetts [I am not there, but who knows if they screen PDML], you can be fined $20: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/massachusetts-town-puts-20-fine-on-profanity/ The menu... err. list of the forbidden words is not announced, as it will be "at the discretion of police". Is "CaNikon" on that list? Igor PS. That reminds me of a primary school teacher telling the students: "Please remember these words well: you should never use them!" Someone will end up having to sue them, and it will get knocked down. If the government defines profane, that by extension defines sacred. The government is not allowed to establish religion. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
It's a secret list. Much easier to levy fines when the public is ignorant of the law, and ignorance of the law is no excuse... On 6/23/2012 4:13 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: If you haven't heard this news yet, - if you swear in Middleborough, in Mbuttachusetts [I am not there, but who knows if they screen PDML], you can be fined $20: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/massachusetts-town-puts-20-fine-on-profanity/ The menu... err. list of the forbidden words is not announced, as it will be "at the discretion of police". Is "CaNikon" on that list? Igor PS. That reminds me of a primary school teacher telling the students: "Please remember these words well: you should never use them!" -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
Quoting Igor Roshchin : Sat Jun 23 18:11:04 EDT 2012 Brian Walters wrote: Interesting. Would that decision stand up to a court challenge as violating the First Amendment? Just wondering - I'm anything but an expert on the US Constitution. All I know about it is what I've seen on The West Wing :-)> Brian, in that case, I suspect your knowledge on that subject might be on par with that of many Americans. ... and above those that you can see "Jay-walking" (from Jay Leno) episodes - if those are shown in .au . ;-) Leno did screen on one of the Pay TV channels a few years ago but I don't think any channels screen it currently. We do get Letterman but fortunately that's on after most people have gone to bed -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
It's more of a public nuisance/disturbing the peace ordinance. They already have a law on the books that prohibits cursing in public, but they can't (and never have) enforce it due to First Amendment protections. It's just another example of charge stacking where they'll throw several related charges at you so that even if one gets thrown out in court, they'll have backup charges to prosecute you on. It's the same concept with adding laws to cover specific actions rather than simply allowing a single umbrella charge. Why charge you with just disturbing the peace when they can also charge you with disturbing the peace, cursing in public, loitering, and etc. On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 8:44 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Igor Roshchin > >> If you haven't heard this news yet, - if you swear in Middleborough, >> in Mbuttachusetts [I am not there, but who knows if they screen PDML], >> you can be fined $20: >> >> http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/massachusetts-town-puts-20-fine-on-profanity/ >> >> The menu... err. list of the forbidden words is not announced, as it >> will be "at the discretion of police". >> Is "CaNikon" on that list? >> >> Igor >> >> PS. That reminds me of a primary school teacher telling the students: >> "Please remember these words well: you should never use them!" > > > Someone will end up having to sue them, and it will get knocked down. If the > government defines profane, that by extension defines sacred. The government > is not allowed to establish religion. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
From: Brian Walters Quoting Igor Roshchin : If you haven't heard this news yet, - if you swear in Middleborough, in Mbuttachusetts [I am not there, but who knows if they screen PDML], you can be fined $20: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/massachusetts-town-puts-20-fine-on-profanity/ The menu... err. list of the forbidden words is not announced, as it will be "at the discretion of police". Is "CaNikon" on that list? Igor PS. That reminds me of a primary school teacher telling the students: "Please remember these words well: you should never use them!" Interesting. Would that decision stand up to a court challenge as violating the First Amendment? Just wondering - I'm anything but an expert on the US Constitution. All I know about it is what I've seen on The West Wing :-)> Leaving the decision of what words are forbidden "at the discretion of the police" will probably get it tossed as *arbitrary* and *capricious*. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
From: Igor Roshchin If you haven't heard this news yet, - if you swear in Middleborough, in Mbuttachusetts [I am not there, but who knows if they screen PDML], you can be fined $20: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/massachusetts-town-puts-20-fine-on-profanity/ The menu... err. list of the forbidden words is not announced, as it will be "at the discretion of police". Is "CaNikon" on that list? Igor PS. That reminds me of a primary school teacher telling the students: "Please remember these words well: you should never use them!" Someone will end up having to sue them, and it will get knocked down. If the government defines profane, that by extension defines sacred. The government is not allowed to establish religion. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
That's such fucking bullshit! (it was inevitable that some immature guy on the list was going to do that, wasn't it? Might as well be me.) ;-) cheers, frank, thinking that law will never withstand a Constitutional challenge anyway... "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Igor Roshchin Sent: June 23, 2012 6/23/12 To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts If you haven't heard this news yet, - if you swear in Middleborough, in Mbuttachusetts [I am not there, but who knows if they screen PDML], you can be fined $20: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/massachusetts-town-puts-20-fine-on-profanity/ The menu... err. list of the forbidden words is not announced, as it will be "at the discretion of police". Is "CaNikon" on that list? Igor PS. That reminds me of a primary school teacher telling the students: "Please remember these words well: you should never use them!" -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
Sat Jun 23 18:11:04 EDT 2012 Brian Walters wrote: > Quoting Igor Roshchin : > > > If you haven't heard this news yet, - if you swear in Middleborough, > > in Mbuttachusetts [I am not there, but who knows if they screen PDML], > > you can be fined $20: > > http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/massachusetts-town-puts-20-fine-on-profanity/ > > > > The menu... err. list of the forbidden words is not announced, as it > > will be "at the discretion of police". > > Is "CaNikon" on that list? > > > > Igor > > > > PS. That reminds me of a primary school teacher telling the students: > > "Please remember these words well: you should never use them!" > > > > Interesting. > > Would that decision stand up to a court challenge as violating the > First Amendment? > > > Just wondering - I'm anything but an expert on the US Constitution. > All I know about it is what I've seen on The West Wing :-)> > Brian, in that case, I suspect your knowledge on that subject might be on par with that of many Americans. ... and above those that you can see "Jay-walking" (from Jay Leno) episodes - if those are shown in .au . ;-) Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: > "Mbuttachusetts"??? > > lol. That's a new one on me... "Taxachusetts would probably get you a $20 fine. -- Scott Loveless Camp Hill, PA USA http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\<,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
"Mbuttachusetts"??? lol. That's a new one on me... :) -c On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > > If you haven't heard this news yet, - if you swear in Middleborough, > in Mbuttachusetts [I am not there, but who knows if they screen PDML], > you can be fined $20: > http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/massachusetts-town-puts-20-fine-on-profanity/ > > The menu... err. list of the forbidden words is not announced, as it > will be "at the discretion of police". > Is "CaNikon" on that list? > > Igor > > PS. That reminds me of a primary school teacher telling the students: > "Please remember these words well: you should never use them!" > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
I have heard the news, Middleboro being in our neck of the woods... Shall I take a drive over there & test your query? Will the pdml post bail if I am arrested...? :) -c On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > > If you haven't heard this news yet, - if you swear in Middleborough, > in Mbuttachusetts [I am not there, but who knows if they screen PDML], > you can be fined $20: > http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/massachusetts-town-puts-20-fine-on-profanity/ > > The menu... err. list of the forbidden words is not announced, as it > will be "at the discretion of police". > Is "CaNikon" on that list? > > Igor > > PS. That reminds me of a primary school teacher telling the students: > "Please remember these words well: you should never use them!" > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
Quoting Igor Roshchin : If you haven't heard this news yet, - if you swear in Middleborough, in Mbuttachusetts [I am not there, but who knows if they screen PDML], you can be fined $20: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/massachusetts-town-puts-20-fine-on-profanity/ The menu... err. list of the forbidden words is not announced, as it will be "at the discretion of police". Is "CaNikon" on that list? Igor PS. That reminds me of a primary school teacher telling the students: "Please remember these words well: you should never use them!" Interesting. Would that decision stand up to a court challenge as violating the First Amendment? Just wondering - I'm anything but an expert on the US Constitution. All I know about it is what I've seen on The West Wing :-)> -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT - don't @#$%% in Middleborough, Mbuttachusetts
If you haven't heard this news yet, - if you swear in Middleborough, in Mbuttachusetts [I am not there, but who knows if they screen PDML], you can be fined $20: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/massachusetts-town-puts-20-fine-on-profanity/ The menu... err. list of the forbidden words is not announced, as it will be "at the discretion of police". Is "CaNikon" on that list? Igor PS. That reminds me of a primary school teacher telling the students: "Please remember these words well: you should never use them!" -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
