Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
Wat would you want to know, Mark? Ihave one of those CF-IDE adapter so please ask your questions, I will do my best to help you. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
Ryan Brooks wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 11, 2006, at 8:02 PM, Matt Kelch wrote: Doesn't CF use a modified IDE interface? That might be a large part of why its still around. I'm not sure about CF using or being a modified IDE. It is. In fact, there are even passive adapters for CF-IDE (being the 40-pin sort found in desktop computers). Yep. I've even heard of people booting systems directly off CF cards, using just an adapter cable. Anyone got any more information on this? Sounds interesting... -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
I did boot my PC with a CF card. The thing is NOT to let it swap on the CF otherwise, it will quickly go away. Otherwise it is VERY fast. I booted a small Linuw distro on a 32MB CF. The same OS on an IDE drive was quite a bit smaller. 2006/9/12, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 11:02:23PM -0500, Ryan Brooks wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 11, 2006, at 8:02 PM, Matt Kelch wrote: Doesn't CF use a modified IDE interface? That might be a large part of why its still around. I'm not sure about CF using or being a modified IDE. It is. In fact, there are even passive adapters for CF-IDE (being the 40-pin sort found in desktop computers). Yep. I've even heard of people booting systems directly off CF cards, using just an adapter cable. I was always rather tickled by the idea of a CF card being solid state memory pretending to be a hard drive; that meant a microdrive was really a hard drive which was pretending to be memory pretending to be a hard drive. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
I did boot my PC with a CF card. The thing is NOT to let it swap on the CF otherwise, it will quickly go away. Otherwise it is VERY fast. I booted a small Linuw distro on a 32MB CF. The same OS on an IDE drive was quite a bit smaller. I meant The same OS on an IDE drive was quite a bit FASTER of course. Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
On 12/09/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And apart from some pictures, what has that to do with the viability of CF? These devices will work just fine in SD cards too. Sure but the point is whatever the current density of chips the CF card will physically hold about 4x more than SD. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
and is ok to go up to 137GB ... 2006/9/12, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 12/09/06, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And apart from some pictures, what has that to do with the viability of CF? These devices will work just fine in SD cards too. Sure but the point is whatever the current density of chips the CF card will physically hold about 4x more than SD. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
On 12.09.2006, at 14:16 , Digital Image Studio wrote: Sure but the point is whatever the current density of chips the CF card will physically hold about 4x more than SD. So what? You said you wouldn't use 8GB card because of risk of losing too many photos at once, and this capacity is already available in SD form ;-) Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
Wasn't there a thread sometime ago about a device that enables a SD card to be used in a device designed for CF? If so, could someone post a link to where one may be available. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sylwester Pietrzyk Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:35 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media On 12.09.2006, at 14:16 , Digital Image Studio wrote: Sure but the point is whatever the current density of chips the CF card will physically hold about 4x more than SD. So what? You said you wouldn't use 8GB card because of risk of losing too many photos at once, and this capacity is already available in SD form ;-) Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
On 12/09/06, Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what? You said you wouldn't use 8GB card because of risk of losing too many photos at once, and this capacity is already available in SD form ;-) Oh no that wasn't me, I gave up my 4GB microdrive because I don't trust drives, solid state RAM is an entirely different thing. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
On 12/09/06, Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wasn't there a thread sometime ago about a device that enables a SD card to be used in a device designed for CF? If so, could someone post a link to where one may be available. Yes there are but they slow down the fastest SD cards considerably, so much so that even s fast Sandisk Ultra II SD card slows down the *ist D on a full buffer http://www.compactflash-adapter.com/ -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
Thanks Rob, I think I'll stick with the 1 gb CF card and 4 gb microdrive. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Digital Image Studio Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:07 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media On 12/09/06, Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wasn't there a thread sometime ago about a device that enables a SD card to be used in a device designed for CF? If so, could someone post a link to where one may be available. Yes there are but they slow down the fastest SD cards considerably, so much so that even s fast Sandisk Ultra II SD card slows down the *ist D on a full buffer http://www.compactflash-adapter.com/ -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
On Sep 11, 2006, at 9:58 PM, John Francis wrote: Doesn't CF use a modified IDE interface? That might be a large part of why its still around. I'm not sure about CF using or being a modified IDE. It is. In fact, there are even passive adapters for CF-IDE (being the 40-pin sort found in desktop computers). Yep. I've even heard of people booting systems directly off CF cards, using just an adapter cable. Interesting. Is it not also true that the CF to PC card adapters are basically passive adaption? The PCMCIA specification is very adaptable. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
I don't recall anyone saying that CF cards were no longer viable storage devices, only that SD cards were replacing them in many cameras and were becoming the more common - dare I say, standard - card. Were I to be desirous of using a larger camera - like a 645 or a huge Nikon or Canon, CF would be a very acceptable option. But I prefer my cameras to be smaller, and a smaller card = a smaller camera. Right now, even a 8GB card seems like overkill for my current storage needs. Shel [Original Message] From: Digital Image Studio Sure but the point is whatever the current density of chips the CF card will physically hold about 4x more than SD. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
On Sep 12, 2006, at 6:07 AM, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 12/09/06, Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wasn't there a thread sometime ago about a device that enables a SD card to be used in a device designed for CF? If so, could someone post a link to where one may be available. Yes there are but they slow down the fastest SD cards considerably, so much so that even s fast Sandisk Ultra II SD card slows down the *ist D on a full buffer http://www.compactflash-adapter.com/ Similar or the same device is available from www.mittoni.com and www.psism.com as well. The device seems to have a maximum throughput rate equal to that of a 32x card. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
On 12/09/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't recall anyone saying that CF cards were no longer viable storage devices, only that SD cards were replacing them in many cameras and were becoming the more common - dare I say, standard - card. Were I to be desirous of using a larger camera - like a 645 or a huge Nikon or Canon, CF would be a very acceptable option. But I prefer my cameras to be smaller, and a smaller card = a smaller camera. Right now, even a 8GB card seems like overkill for my current storage needs. The vast majority of people appear to have written CF as old hat. Looking at a lot of pro devices (particularly MF cameras/backs and portable audio recorders) the potential for very large capacity cards is great news. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
On 12/09/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Similar or the same device is available from www.mittoni.com and www.psism.com as well. The device seems to have a maximum throughput rate equal to that of a 32x card. Likely, mine is the Mittoni one. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
indeed.I have a CF - IDE adapter which is passive. 2006/9/12, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sep 11, 2006, at 9:58 PM, John Francis wrote: Doesn't CF use a modified IDE interface? That might be a large part of why its still around. I'm not sure about CF using or being a modified IDE. It is. In fact, there are even passive adapters for CF-IDE (being the 40-pin sort found in desktop computers). Yep. I've even heard of people booting systems directly off CF cards, using just an adapter cable. Interesting. Is it not also true that the CF to PC card adapters are basically passive adaption? The PCMCIA specification is very adaptable. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Interesting. Is it not also true that the CF to PC card adapters are basically passive adaption? The PCMCIA specification is very adaptable. Yes, it is not true. PCMCIA is more like ISA, so an adapter would have electronics. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
On Sep 12, 2006, at 8:55 AM, ryan brooks wrote: Interesting. Is it not also true that the CF to PC card adapters are basically passive adaption? The PCMCIA specification is very adaptable. Yes, it is not true. PCMCIA is more like ISA, so an adapter would have electronics. Yes, it is not true is an ambiguous response. Yes, it is true or No, it is not true would be clear and unambiguous. I disagree that PCMCIA is more like ISA in that ISA stands for the name of a specific connection protocol where PCMCIA is the name of an association that produced a number of protocol specifications ... but the first rev of PCMCIA specifications did share a lot in common with the ISA. Later specs on PCMCIA are much broader and allow for significantly more hardware protocol adaption, and some part of them is much more akin to the PCI specification. But as to whether a CF-PCMCIA adapter *can* be passive or not, I'm still not sure. I might have one around here somewhere that I can take apart to find out for sure ... If I really get hot to know (low probability). ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT Why CF is still viable storage media
http://www.digitimes.com/Backgrounders/ArtReview.asp?datePublish=2006/09/11pages=PRseq=204Cat=1 http://tinyurl.com/puph6 From a dpreview post -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
Digital Image Studio wrote: http://www.digitimes.com/Backgrounders/ArtReview.asp?datePublish=2006/09/11pages=PRseq=204Cat=1 http://tinyurl.com/puph6 From a dpreview post And apart from some pictures, what has that to do with the viability of CF? These devices will work just fine in SD cards too. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
At 10:18 AM 12/09/2006, Adam Maas wrote: Digital Image Studio wrote: http://www.digitimes.com/Backgrounders/ArtReview.asp?datePublish=2006/09/11pages=PRseq=204Cat=1 http://tinyurl.com/puph6 From a dpreview post And apart from some pictures, what has that to do with the viability of CF? These devices will work just fine in SD cards too. -Adam Check the capacities they're talking about Adam. 64GB is pretty impressive. Considering the audio video applications, CF isn't a dead format. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
David Savage wrote: At 10:18 AM 12/09/2006, Adam Maas wrote: Digital Image Studio wrote: http://www.digitimes.com/Backgrounders/ArtReview.asp?datePublish=2006/09/11pages=PRseq=204Cat=1 http://tinyurl.com/puph6 From a dpreview post And apart from some pictures, what has that to do with the viability of CF? These devices will work just fine in SD cards too. -Adam Check the capacities they're talking about Adam. 64GB is pretty impressive. Considering the audio video applications, CF isn't a dead format. Cheers, Dave Doesn't CF use a modified IDE interface? That might be a large part of why its still around. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
On Sep 11, 2006, at 8:02 PM, Matt Kelch wrote: Doesn't CF use a modified IDE interface? That might be a large part of why its still around. I'm not sure about CF using or being a modified IDE. It stands for Integrated Drive Electronics and is a standard dreamt up to integrate drive controllers into the motherboard of a computer system and reduce cost. IDE is almost a synonym for ATA (Advanced Technology Attachment). CF has what I usually think of as a smaller form factor PCMCIA (Personal Computer Memory Card International Association) card (aka PC Card) interface, which was extended in rev 2 or 3 specification to include CardBus, a smaller form factor PCI (Peripheral Component Interconnect) card bus. Many many different devices have been supported by PCMCIA type card specifications, including ATA/IDE devices. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
Impressive. I never heard anyone say that CF wasn't a viable storage medium. It's just fallen back in use compared to SD and other, smaller card formats in recent times. Most new developments in flash memory devices start in CF form factor because it's large and easier to design for. Godfrey On Sep 11, 2006, at 7:03 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: http://www.digitimes.com/Backgrounders/ArtReview.asp? datePublish=2006/09/11pages=PRseq=204Cat=1 http://tinyurl.com/puph6 From a dpreview post -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 11, 2006, at 8:02 PM, Matt Kelch wrote: Doesn't CF use a modified IDE interface? That might be a large part of why its still around. I'm not sure about CF using or being a modified IDE. It is. In fact, there are even passive adapters for CF-IDE (being the 40-pin sort found in desktop computers). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Why CF is still viable storage media
On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 11:02:23PM -0500, Ryan Brooks wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 11, 2006, at 8:02 PM, Matt Kelch wrote: Doesn't CF use a modified IDE interface? That might be a large part of why its still around. I'm not sure about CF using or being a modified IDE. It is. In fact, there are even passive adapters for CF-IDE (being the 40-pin sort found in desktop computers). Yep. I've even heard of people booting systems directly off CF cards, using just an adapter cable. I was always rather tickled by the idea of a CF card being solid state memory pretending to be a hard drive; that meant a microdrive was really a hard drive which was pretending to be memory pretending to be a hard drive. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
