Re: OT. newly found info
On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Bill wrote: > On 11/13/2015 8:37 AM, David J Brooks wrote: >> >> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Bill wrote: >>> >>> On 11/12/2015 4:42 PM, David J Brooks wrote: It took some diving into googledom to find out that stuff. The manual is at best an Ikea reject.:-) >>> >>> Wait until you start dealing with the documentation they write for >>> updates. >> >> >> They have updates, oh no. >> > > Not only do they have updates, but they use them to add features, not just > fix stuff that crops up in user reports. > Fuji is pretty good that way. Good to know. > But their documentation seems to presume that the user doesn't need the > documentation. I managed to figure out most of the camer my self, but some of the hidden features i guess they can be called, needed the manual as well as google Dave > > > bill > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT. newly found info
On 11/13/2015 8:37 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Bill wrote: On 11/12/2015 4:42 PM, David J Brooks wrote: It took some diving into googledom to find out that stuff. The manual is at best an Ikea reject.:-) Wait until you start dealing with the documentation they write for updates. They have updates, oh no. Not only do they have updates, but they use them to add features, not just fix stuff that crops up in user reports. Fuji is pretty good that way. But their documentation seems to presume that the user doesn't need the documentation. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT. newly found info
On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Bill wrote: > On 11/12/2015 4:42 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >> >> It took some diving into googledom to find out that stuff. The manual >> is at best an Ikea reject.:-) >> > > Wait until you start dealing with the documentation they write for updates. They have updates, oh no. Dave > > bill > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT. newly found info
On 11/12/2015 4:42 PM, David J Brooks wrote: It took some diving into googledom to find out that stuff. The manual is at best an Ikea reject.:-) Wait until you start dealing with the documentation they write for updates. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT. newly found info
It took some diving into googledom to find out that stuff. The manual
is at best an Ikea reject.:-)
Dave
On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> On 12/11/15, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>More than that, it disables the AF assist lamp and the shutter noise.
>>These things are all turned on/off by a single long press on one button
>>the back. Easy.
>
> Just to be clear:
>
> You have a camera, you want the shutter sound louder or softer, or even
> different? Go into the menus and find the shutter sound pref, and select
> to taste.
>
> You want the AF assist lamp permanently on or off? Go into the menus and
> find the AF assist lamp pref, select accordingly.
>
> You want the flash enable or disabled? It's a manual pop-up flash. You
> don't want flash even if you pop it up? Go into the menus, find the
> pref, select your choice. If using fully auto then it may be on the X30
> the flash can pop up by itself - it can't on my X20, it has to be
> manually popped up.
>
> BUT - These cameras benefit from an extra facility - a 'silent mode'.
> Really it should be called 'stealth mode'. If you find yourself in a
> situation where you want to be as quiet and unnoticed as possible while
> shooting, then a simple press-and-hold of one button ('DISP/
> BACK')enables this mode which disables the pop-up flash, turns off any
> shutter noise, and disables the AF assist lamp. To re-enable the camera
> as it was before, simply press and hold this button again. This means if
> you are shooting at a party with noise and fun, using flash etc, but
> then decide some candid shots would be nice without flash and
> distracting low-light AF assist lamp etc, one button means you can,
> instead of searching menus for these things individually. That's great design.
>
>
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> Cheers,
> Cotty
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>
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Re: OT. newly found info
It's like a Toshiba laptop. Well, some models at least. There's no
dedicated WiFi switch, there's a, not particularly well marked, keyboard
combination to turn WiFi on and off. The documentation is sorely
lacking in explaining this. The urge to throw said laptop out a window
was nearly overwhelming.
On 11/12/2015 4:10 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
On 12/11/15, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:
More than that, it disables the AF assist lamp and the shutter noise.
These things are all turned on/off by a single long press on one button
the back. Easy.
Just to be clear:
You have a camera, you want the shutter sound louder or softer, or even
different? Go into the menus and find the shutter sound pref, and select
to taste.
You want the AF assist lamp permanently on or off? Go into the menus and
find the AF assist lamp pref, select accordingly.
You want the flash enable or disabled? It's a manual pop-up flash. You
don't want flash even if you pop it up? Go into the menus, find the
pref, select your choice. If using fully auto then it may be on the X30
the flash can pop up by itself - it can't on my X20, it has to be
manually popped up.
BUT - These cameras benefit from an extra facility - a 'silent mode'.
Really it should be called 'stealth mode'. If you find yourself in a
situation where you want to be as quiet and unnoticed as possible while
shooting, then a simple press-and-hold of one button ('DISP/
BACK')enables this mode which disables the pop-up flash, turns off any
shutter noise, and disables the AF assist lamp. To re-enable the camera
as it was before, simply press and hold this button again. This means if
you are shooting at a party with noise and fun, using flash etc, but
then decide some candid shots would be nice without flash and
distracting low-light AF assist lamp etc, one button means you can,
instead of searching menus for these things individually. That's great design.
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Re: OT. newly found info
That sounds like a stupid programmer trick to me. On 11/12/2015 1:57 PM, David J Brooks wrote: So, since buying my X30 i have been trying to figure out why the pop up flash would not fire, and why i could not access its menu using the flash icon. I have read the manual 4 times, 5 is right out. So after doing some netinfomationing i discovered that the flash will not work if the camera;s sound is set to off. Lo and behold mine was set to off. Netinformation told me that sound needs to be on and set to at least 0. Having done that my flash now emits its fake sun light. Camera, life's little mysteries. Dave -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT. newly found info
On 12/11/15, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:
>More than that, it disables the AF assist lamp and the shutter noise.
>These things are all turned on/off by a single long press on one button
>the back. Easy.
Just to be clear:
You have a camera, you want the shutter sound louder or softer, or even
different? Go into the menus and find the shutter sound pref, and select
to taste.
You want the AF assist lamp permanently on or off? Go into the menus and
find the AF assist lamp pref, select accordingly.
You want the flash enable or disabled? It's a manual pop-up flash. You
don't want flash even if you pop it up? Go into the menus, find the
pref, select your choice. If using fully auto then it may be on the X30
the flash can pop up by itself - it can't on my X20, it has to be
manually popped up.
BUT - These cameras benefit from an extra facility - a 'silent mode'.
Really it should be called 'stealth mode'. If you find yourself in a
situation where you want to be as quiet and unnoticed as possible while
shooting, then a simple press-and-hold of one button ('DISP/
BACK')enables this mode which disables the pop-up flash, turns off any
shutter noise, and disables the AF assist lamp. To re-enable the camera
as it was before, simply press and hold this button again. This means if
you are shooting at a party with noise and fun, using flash etc, but
then decide some candid shots would be nice without flash and
distracting low-light AF assist lamp etc, one button means you can,
instead of searching menus for these things individually. That's great design.
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Re: OT. newly found info
On 12/11/15, Marco Alpert, discombobulated, unleashed: >It is odd. If I had to guess, I suppose that the logic might be that if >you've selected silent mode, it's because you're in a situation where >you have to remain inconspicuous and a flash firing would be a problem, >so they're protecting you from yourself. But that's giving them a big >benefit of the doubt. More than that, it disables the AF assist lamp and the shutter noise. These things are all turned on/off by a single long press on one button the back. Easy. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT. newly found info
On 12/11/15, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed: >It's one of Fuji's more inscrutable settings. >Silent mode turns off the flash. Actually I love that feature as it disables and shutter noise and the AE assist lamp - makes the camera really undetectable in operation. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT. newly found info
On 12/11/15, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: >So, since buying my X30 i have been trying to figure out why the pop >up flash would not fire, and why i could not access its menu using the >flash icon. I have read the manual 4 times, 5 is right out. So after >doing some netinfomationing i discovered that the flash will not work >if the camera;s sound is set to off. Lo and behold mine was set to >off. Netinformation told me that sound needs to be on and set to at >least 0. Having done that my flash now emits its fake sun light. Press and hold the 'Disp-Back' button to enable or disable 'silent mode' -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT. newly found info
On 2015-11-12 12:37 , Marco Alpert wrote: It is odd. If I had to guess, I suppose that the logic might be that if you've selected silent mode, it's because you're in a situation where you have to remain inconspicuous and a flash firing would be a problem, so they're protecting you from yourself. But that's giving them a big benefit of the doubt. perhaps in Japan it has a name that means "inconspicuous" and it was translated as "silent" -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT. newly found info
It is odd. If I had to guess, I suppose that the logic might be that if you've selected silent mode, it's because you're in a situation where you have to remain inconspicuous and a flash firing would be a problem, so they're protecting you from yourself. But that's giving them a big benefit of the doubt. - Marco On Nov 12, 2015, at 11:30 AM, John wrote: > On 11/12/2015 1:57 PM, David J Brooks wrote: >> So, since buying my X30 i have been trying to figure out why the pop >> up flash would not fire, and why i could not access its menu using the >> flash icon. I have read the manual 4 times, 5 is right out. So after >> doing some netinfomationing i discovered that the flash will not work >> if the camera;s sound is set to off. Lo and behold mine was set to >> off. Netinformation told me that sound needs to be on and set to at >> least 0. Having done that my flash now emits its fake sun light. >> >> Camera, life's little mysteries. >> >> Dave >> > > That's just strange. > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT. newly found info
On 11/12/2015 1:57 PM, David J Brooks wrote: So, since buying my X30 i have been trying to figure out why the pop up flash would not fire, and why i could not access its menu using the flash icon. I have read the manual 4 times, 5 is right out. So after doing some netinfomationing i discovered that the flash will not work if the camera;s sound is set to off. Lo and behold mine was set to off. Netinformation told me that sound needs to be on and set to at least 0. Having done that my flash now emits its fake sun light. Camera, life's little mysteries. Dave That's just strange. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/12/2015 12:57 PM, David J Brooks wrote: So, since buying my X30 i have been trying to figure out why the pop up flash would not fire, and why i could not access its menu using the flash icon. I have read the manual 4 times, 5 is right out. So after doing some netinfomationing i discovered that the flash will not work if the camera;s sound is set to off. Lo and behold mine was set to off. Netinformation told me that sound needs to be on and set to at least 0. Having done that my flash now emits its fake sun light. Camera, life's little mysteries. Dave It's one of Fuji's more inscrutable settings. Silent mode turns off the flash. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT. newly found info
So, since buying my X30 i have been trying to figure out why the pop up flash would not fire, and why i could not access its menu using the flash icon. I have read the manual 4 times, 5 is right out. So after doing some netinfomationing i discovered that the flash will not work if the camera;s sound is set to off. Lo and behold mine was set to off. Netinformation told me that sound needs to be on and set to at least 0. Having done that my flash now emits its fake sun light. Camera, life's little mysteries. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
