Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread David Mann
On Oct 12, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Mark C  wrote:

> I have the A* 300 f4 and have to say that while it can be very good, it falls 
> short of being a truly excellent lens. It also falls short in the close focus 
> department. (Or maybe that should be that it falls long in the close focus 
> department.)

The F* or FA* 300mm f/4.5 is the one you want.  Focus down to 2m and so sharp 
you'll cut yourself.

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread Mark C
Well, I just did some test framings (never actually pushed the shutter 
button) in my dining room with the A* 300 f4. It's a jewel of a lens in 
terms of build and cosmetics, that's for sure, but the 4 meter / 13 foot 
minimum focusing distance is still a challenge. While i have hung onto 
this lens for years, I almost never use it. For smaller birds and 
wildlife you either have to be stealthy and get close,  or use a longer 
telephoto to put you out of the circle of fear. It is best o get close, 
because then you do not have haze and other atmospheric distortions that 
degrade long distnace / mega telephoto shot, but getting close can be a 
lot of work. For a 300mm, for small birds (e.g. finches) or small 
mammals (e.g. chipmunks) tha tmeans being 10 to 6 feet away. A blind, 
bait, or invisibility cloak is probably needed, but  it can be done with 
a little effort.  In its day, the 13 minimum focusing distance would 
probably have been considered to be quite close, and one can always  use 
extension tubes or close up diopters, but a closed focus distance would 
be more desirable IMO.   The minimum focusing distance of the A* 300 f4 
would be fine for larger subjects - deer, bears, athletes, etc... and on 
an APCS-C body it would probably be fine.


I should probably use my sample more...

Mark

On 10/11/2013 10:39 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

The M* and A* 300mm f4 lenses were the smallest and lightest of their
class and three of the front 4 elements in the front group are ED
glass. It was, I believe, before Internal Focusing had come into use.
In optical design, something has to give, and the Pentax optical
designers decided (wisely I think) to sacrifice close focusing,
probably thinking that someone who uses a 300mm lens is probably not
buying it to focus on something 10 feet away. In any event, closer
focus CAN be achieved, if one truly wants it, through extension tubes
(though at the sacrifice of the infinity end of the scale). I believe
those lenses were also sold before the age of "APO" lenses, though the
M* and A* would probably be classed as near-APO.

On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Mark C  wrote:

I have the A* 300 f4 and have to say that while it can be very good, it
falls short of being a truly excellent lens. It also falls short in the
close focus department. (Or maybe that should be that it falls long in the
close focus department.) I use the 1.7x converter on an A*400 f2.8  and it
is a tremendous help, but the AF range is fairly limited, not like a true AF
lens, in my experience - it needs to be pre focused to a fairly narrow
tolerance. But, the AF adapter is still better than my eyesight for fast
focusing.

Mark


On 10/11/2013 5:24 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

There's a big difference in optical capabilities between these three
lenses, the 300/4 variants are positively soft compared to the
A300/2.8, having owned and used both. I still have the A300/2.8 which
although unwieldy is a great lens when you need the speed and reach
and combined with the 1.7AF TC it becomes an excellent AF combo.

On 12 October 2013 02:21, P.J. Alling  wrote:

And for a little over 1/5th of that price have the A*300 4.0 or a little
over 1/6 the M* when they're available, and if you really want the feel
for
carrying around f2.8 long glass you can get the [K} 300mm f4.0,
(available
at KEH for less than 1/10 the price, which even though it's a big heavy
beast is still half the weight of the A* 2.8.  Considering size weight
and
cost, which lens am I more likely to haul around with me...

Bottom line you don't take many pictures with a lens you don't have with
you.


On 10/11/2013 8:47 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

If I had the discretionary income I would discreetly purchase this bad
baby:
Pentax-A* 300mm f2.8



http://www.keh.com/camera/Pentax-Manual-Focus-Fixed-Focal-Length-Lenses/1/sku-PK060090145530?r=FE

http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpa300mmf28edif/


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Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread Darren Addy
The M* and A* 300mm f4 lenses were the smallest and lightest of their
class and three of the front 4 elements in the front group are ED
glass. It was, I believe, before Internal Focusing had come into use.
In optical design, something has to give, and the Pentax optical
designers decided (wisely I think) to sacrifice close focusing,
probably thinking that someone who uses a 300mm lens is probably not
buying it to focus on something 10 feet away. In any event, closer
focus CAN be achieved, if one truly wants it, through extension tubes
(though at the sacrifice of the infinity end of the scale). I believe
those lenses were also sold before the age of "APO" lenses, though the
M* and A* would probably be classed as near-APO.

On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> I have the A* 300 f4 and have to say that while it can be very good, it
> falls short of being a truly excellent lens. It also falls short in the
> close focus department. (Or maybe that should be that it falls long in the
> close focus department.) I use the 1.7x converter on an A*400 f2.8  and it
> is a tremendous help, but the AF range is fairly limited, not like a true AF
> lens, in my experience - it needs to be pre focused to a fairly narrow
> tolerance. But, the AF adapter is still better than my eyesight for fast
> focusing.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 10/11/2013 5:24 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
>>
>> There's a big difference in optical capabilities between these three
>> lenses, the 300/4 variants are positively soft compared to the
>> A300/2.8, having owned and used both. I still have the A300/2.8 which
>> although unwieldy is a great lens when you need the speed and reach
>> and combined with the 1.7AF TC it becomes an excellent AF combo.
>>
>> On 12 October 2013 02:21, P.J. Alling  wrote:
>>>
>>> And for a little over 1/5th of that price have the A*300 4.0 or a little
>>> over 1/6 the M* when they're available, and if you really want the feel
>>> for
>>> carrying around f2.8 long glass you can get the [K} 300mm f4.0,
>>> (available
>>> at KEH for less than 1/10 the price, which even though it's a big heavy
>>> beast is still half the weight of the A* 2.8.  Considering size weight
>>> and
>>> cost, which lens am I more likely to haul around with me...
>>>
>>> Bottom line you don't take many pictures with a lens you don't have with
>>> you.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/11/2013 8:47 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

 If I had the discretionary income I would discreetly purchase this bad
 baby:
 Pentax-A* 300mm f2.8



 http://www.keh.com/camera/Pentax-Manual-Focus-Fixed-Focal-Length-Lenses/1/sku-PK060090145530?r=FE

 http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpa300mmf28edif/

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Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread Mark C
I have the A* 300 f4 and have to say that while it can be very good, it 
falls short of being a truly excellent lens. It also falls short in the 
close focus department. (Or maybe that should be that it falls long in 
the close focus department.) I use the 1.7x converter on an A*400 f2.8  
and it is a tremendous help, but the AF range is fairly limited, not 
like a true AF lens, in my experience - it needs to be pre focused to a 
fairly narrow tolerance. But, the AF adapter is still better than my 
eyesight for fast focusing.


Mark

On 10/11/2013 5:24 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

There's a big difference in optical capabilities between these three
lenses, the 300/4 variants are positively soft compared to the
A300/2.8, having owned and used both. I still have the A300/2.8 which
although unwieldy is a great lens when you need the speed and reach
and combined with the 1.7AF TC it becomes an excellent AF combo.

On 12 October 2013 02:21, P.J. Alling  wrote:

And for a little over 1/5th of that price have the A*300 4.0 or a little
over 1/6 the M* when they're available, and if you really want the feel for
carrying around f2.8 long glass you can get the [K} 300mm f4.0, (available
at KEH for less than 1/10 the price, which even though it's a big heavy
beast is still half the weight of the A* 2.8.  Considering size weight and
cost, which lens am I more likely to haul around with me...

Bottom line you don't take many pictures with a lens you don't have with
you.


On 10/11/2013 8:47 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

If I had the discretionary income I would discreetly purchase this bad
baby:
Pentax-A* 300mm f2.8


http://www.keh.com/camera/Pentax-Manual-Focus-Fixed-Focal-Length-Lenses/1/sku-PK060090145530?r=FE

http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpa300mmf28edif/



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Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 08:24:06AM +1100, Rob Studdert wrote:
> [ . . . . ] I still have the A300/2.8 which
> although unwieldy is a great lens when you need the speed and reach
> and combined with the 1.7AF TC it becomes an excellent AF combo.

That's about what I posted while Doug wasn't accepting submissions.


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Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 02:30:53PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 08:24:06AM +1100, Rob Studdert wrote:
> > There's a big difference in optical capabilities between these three
> > lenses, the 300/4 variants are positively soft compared to the
> > A300/2.8, having owned and used both. I still have the A300/2.8 which
> > although unwieldy is a great lens when you need the speed and reach
> > and combined with the 1.7AF TC it becomes an excellent AF combo.
> 
> I think John Francis has that setup.

Yep.  And it does, indeed, work splendidly for sports photography.

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Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread Rob Studdert
On 12 October 2013 08:30, Larry Colen  wrote:

> I know that the A* 200/2.8 is a wonderful lens, and am curious how the
> DA* 200/2.8 compares optically.

I would be interested too, the FA*200/2.8 is a slightly better lens
than the A*200/2.8 too, from what I gather the FA and DA lenses are
similar performers.

> Meanwhile, money I'll spend on the repairs I'm doing on one of my sheds
> would probably pay for just about every Pentax lens on my current wish
> list, as well as a K-3.  Or even buy me a 645D, and a nice set of lenses
> for it.
>
> sigh.

Damn, I can sympathise with your pain there, I could have bought a
nice new full Nikon FF kit for the money that I've recently spent on
property maintenance. :(

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Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread Larry Colen
On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 08:24:06AM +1100, Rob Studdert wrote:
> There's a big difference in optical capabilities between these three
> lenses, the 300/4 variants are positively soft compared to the
> A300/2.8, having owned and used both. I still have the A300/2.8 which
> although unwieldy is a great lens when you need the speed and reach
> and combined with the 1.7AF TC it becomes an excellent AF combo.

I think John Francis has that setup.

I know that the A* 200/2.8 is a wonderful lens, and am curious how the 
DA* 200/2.8 compares optically.

Meanwhile, money I'll spend on the repairs I'm doing on one of my sheds 
would probably pay for just about every Pentax lens on my current wish
list, as well as a K-3.  Or even buy me a 645D, and a nice set of lenses
for it.

sigh.

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Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread Rob Studdert
There's a big difference in optical capabilities between these three
lenses, the 300/4 variants are positively soft compared to the
A300/2.8, having owned and used both. I still have the A300/2.8 which
although unwieldy is a great lens when you need the speed and reach
and combined with the 1.7AF TC it becomes an excellent AF combo.

On 12 October 2013 02:21, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> And for a little over 1/5th of that price have the A*300 4.0 or a little
> over 1/6 the M* when they're available, and if you really want the feel for
> carrying around f2.8 long glass you can get the [K} 300mm f4.0, (available
> at KEH for less than 1/10 the price, which even though it's a big heavy
> beast is still half the weight of the A* 2.8.  Considering size weight and
> cost, which lens am I more likely to haul around with me...
>
> Bottom line you don't take many pictures with a lens you don't have with
> you.
>
>
> On 10/11/2013 8:47 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>
>> If I had the discretionary income I would discreetly purchase this bad
>> baby:
>> Pentax-A* 300mm f2.8
>>
>>
>> http://www.keh.com/camera/Pentax-Manual-Focus-Fixed-Focal-Length-Lenses/1/sku-PK060090145530?r=FE
>>
>> http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpa300mmf28edif/
>>
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Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread P.J. Alling
Even on the sidelines at a sporting event I'll take the 1 stop hit, save 
my back a little and take the f4.0.  So the other shooters with the f2.8 
glass will laugh and point at me, when they're in traction, I'll visit 
them at the hospital.


On 10/11/2013 11:26 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

It depends what you are into. With its ED glass and internal focusing
it would make a super astrophotography lens and it would be best
mounted to a German Equatorial Mount or onto a telescope with a driven
fork mount. It would also be great with a monopod or tripod on the
sideline of a sporting event.

And I've now GOT the M*.
:)



On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:21 AM, P.J. Alling
 wrote:

And for a little over 1/5th of that price have the A*300 4.0 or a little
over 1/6 the M* when they're available, and if you really want the feel for
carrying around f2.8 long glass you can get the [K} 300mm f4.0, (available
at KEH for less than 1/10 the price, which even though it's a big heavy
beast is still half the weight of the A* 2.8.  Considering size weight and
cost, which lens am I more likely to haul around with me...

Bottom line you don't take many pictures with a lens you don't have with
you.


On 10/11/2013 8:47 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

If I had the discretionary income I would discreetly purchase this bad
baby:
Pentax-A* 300mm f2.8


http://www.keh.com/camera/Pentax-Manual-Focus-Fixed-Focal-Length-Lenses/1/sku-PK060090145530?r=FE

http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpa300mmf28edif/



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Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Darren Addy wrote:

>If I had the discretionary income I would discreetly purchase this bad baby:
>Pentax-A* 300mm f2.8
>
>http://www.keh.com/camera/Pentax-Manual-Focus-Fixed-Focal-Length-Lenses/1/sku-PK060090145530?r=FE

Good price, too (if it's in good condition).
 
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Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread Darren Addy
It depends what you are into. With its ED glass and internal focusing
it would make a super astrophotography lens and it would be best
mounted to a German Equatorial Mount or onto a telescope with a driven
fork mount. It would also be great with a monopod or tripod on the
sideline of a sporting event.

And I've now GOT the M*.
:)



On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:21 AM, P.J. Alling
 wrote:
> And for a little over 1/5th of that price have the A*300 4.0 or a little
> over 1/6 the M* when they're available, and if you really want the feel for
> carrying around f2.8 long glass you can get the [K} 300mm f4.0, (available
> at KEH for less than 1/10 the price, which even though it's a big heavy
> beast is still half the weight of the A* 2.8.  Considering size weight and
> cost, which lens am I more likely to haul around with me...
>
> Bottom line you don't take many pictures with a lens you don't have with
> you.
>
>
> On 10/11/2013 8:47 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>
>> If I had the discretionary income I would discreetly purchase this bad
>> baby:
>> Pentax-A* 300mm f2.8
>>
>>
>> http://www.keh.com/camera/Pentax-Manual-Focus-Fixed-Focal-Length-Lenses/1/sku-PK060090145530?r=FE
>>
>> http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpa300mmf28edif/
>>
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Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread P.J. Alling
And for a little over 1/5th of that price have the A*300 4.0 or a little 
over 1/6 the M* when they're available, and if you really want the feel 
for carrying around f2.8 long glass you can get the [K} 300mm f4.0, 
(available at KEH for less than 1/10 the price, which even though it's a 
big heavy beast is still half the weight of the A* 2.8.  Considering 
size weight and cost, which lens am I more likely to haul around with me...


Bottom line you don't take many pictures with a lens you don't have with 
you.


On 10/11/2013 8:47 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

If I had the discretionary income I would discreetly purchase this bad baby:
Pentax-A* 300mm f2.8

http://www.keh.com/camera/Pentax-Manual-Focus-Fixed-Focal-Length-Lenses/1/sku-PK060090145530?r=FE

http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpa300mmf28edif/




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Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread mike wilson
On 11/10/2013, Matthew Hunt  wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:09 AM, mike wilson 
> wrote:
>
>> Flickr is fornicated to extinction if it thinks that this was taken
>> with a 300mm:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tempete_de_pixel/5601521256/
>
> Flickr doesn't "think" that. It's a keyword search. The person who
> uploaded it applied that keyword in error.

What use is software that doesn't do your thinking for you?

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Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread Zos Xavius
excuse me. i need to wipe up some drool.

On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> If I had the discretionary income I would discreetly purchase this bad baby:
> Pentax-A* 300mm f2.8
>
> http://www.keh.com/camera/Pentax-Manual-Focus-Fixed-Focal-Length-Lenses/1/sku-PK060090145530?r=FE
>
> http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpa300mmf28edif/
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Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:09 AM, mike wilson  wrote:

> Flickr is fornicated to extinction if it thinks that this was taken
> with a 300mm:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tempete_de_pixel/5601521256/

Flickr doesn't "think" that. It's a keyword search. The person who
uploaded it applied that keyword in error.

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Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread Darren Addy
Clearly true. However, Flickr doesn't make this stuff up. It reads the
tags assigned to the image. If somebody is lazy with their copy &
paste (or for some other reason is not accurate in the use of their
tags) then you are going to get incorrect results. That image has a
"smc P-A 300mm F2.8 ED (IF)" tag. Garbage in - garbage out.

On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 8:09 AM, mike wilson  wrote:
> On 11/10/2013, Darren Addy  wrote:
>> If I had the discretionary income I would discreetly purchase this bad
>> baby:
>> Pentax-A* 300mm f2.8
>>
>> http://www.keh.com/camera/Pentax-Manual-Focus-Fixed-Focal-Length-Lenses/1/sku-PK060090145530?r=FE
>>
>> http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpa300mmf28edif/
>
> Flickr is fornicated to extinction if it thinks that this was taken
> with a 300mm:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tempete_de_pixel/5601521256/
>
> As with most of the other pics in that "river".  Luckily, I can only
> see it at work
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Re: Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread mike wilson
On 11/10/2013, Darren Addy  wrote:
> If I had the discretionary income I would discreetly purchase this bad
> baby:
> Pentax-A* 300mm f2.8
>
> http://www.keh.com/camera/Pentax-Manual-Focus-Fixed-Focal-Length-Lenses/1/sku-PK060090145530?r=FE
>
> http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpa300mmf28edif/

Flickr is fornicated to extinction if it thinks that this was taken
with a 300mm:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tempete_de_pixel/5601521256/

As with most of the other pics in that "river".  Luckily, I can only
see it at work

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Oooooooooh. KEH has a "big boy" lens

2013-10-11 Thread Darren Addy
If I had the discretionary income I would discreetly purchase this bad baby:
Pentax-A* 300mm f2.8

http://www.keh.com/camera/Pentax-Manual-Focus-Fixed-Focal-Length-Lenses/1/sku-PK060090145530?r=FE

http://www.flickriver.com/lenses/pentax/smcpa300mmf28edif/

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