Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine
Hi, Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: > > Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > > You mean for brown, white & pink shoes? > > > > Pink shoes??? > My knowledge of the English terms has still some hole... "Neapolitan" ice cream is a mix of vanilla (white), strawberry (pink) and chocolate (brown) in consecutive layers or strips. It's as vile as it sounds.. mike
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine
You mean for brown, white & pink shoes?
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine
Hi! GI> Hi everybody, GI> I'd like to hear some comments about this one: GI> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2147246 GI> I'm not sure if I like it or not... The man is a shoeshine, he GI> works (worked? not sure I saw him recently) along one of the GI> shopping streets in Naples. I took few pictures of his hands at GI> work and a couple of portraits too. There's another one I prefer GI> for his expression, but there something I like about this shot GI> that I'm not able to catch... GI> Ciao, GI> Gianfranco Gianfranco, this is how I "read" this shot. This is an old fellow, who's lost some of his eyesight (the glasses are quite strong, obviously) and who's having a little pause in the midst of modern and should I say crazy like a beehive city... His blue jeans only enforce that impression. They are so out of fashion... You bought a good camera and a good lens on the flea market, that's for sure. I tend to like it as it has style, essence, something that makes it more than just a shot... Do I make sense to you? Boris
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine
I like this one,Gianfranco. Something about the stillness and sharpness of the subject and the blurry people in motion,work for me. Your title is very approprate.It looks as if he has stopped time to have his small work break..:-) Dave > Hi everybody, > > I'd like to hear some comments about this one: > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2147246 > > I'm not sure if I like it or not... The man is a shoeshine, he > works (worked? not sure I saw him recently) along one of the > shopping streets in Naples. I took few pictures of his hands at > work and a couple of portraits too. There's another one I prefer > for his expression, but there something I like about this shot > that I'm not able to catch... > > Ciao, > > Gianfranco > > = > To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. > > ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools >
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine
I like the way the subject's illumination makes him stand out from the background. The bright spot on the far RH side of the image detracts from the rest of the image. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "Gianfranco Irlanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine > Hi everybody, > > I'd like to hear some comments about this one: > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2147246 > > I'm not sure if I like it or not... The man is a shoeshine, he > works (worked? not sure I saw him recently) along one of the > shopping streets in Naples. I took few pictures of his hands at > work and a couple of portraits too. There's another one I prefer > for his expression, but there something I like about this shot > that I'm not able to catch... > > Ciao, > > Gianfranco
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine (updated) ...and one more pic
Great and intriguing shot! The face is not always necessary in a portrait. It might be a good exercise in creativity to make portraits without including the subject's face. Hands, environment, shadows, lighting, objects, can all be used to convey information about a subject. Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2148401 > > I guess this shot portrays the man better than the other two, > even if does not let you see his face.
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine (updated)
BTW, I liked the reflections ... such things sometimes don't work, or are very distracting. I didn't feel that was the case here. Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: > > Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On both pictures I find the reflections in his glasses a bit > disturbing. > > Otherwise nice. > > Now that's interesting... I find the reflections to add > something to the meaning, i.e.: cheap, uncoated glasses;
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine (updated) ...and one more pic
Now ~that's~ an incredible photograph!! Thank you, Gianfranco, for taking it and showing it to us. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Gianfranco Irlanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2148401 _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
RE: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine
As usual, outstanding work Gianfranco. I think it's a combination of the lighting and the position of his head in respect to his shoulders. It almost looks as if you dropped him in some travelogue frame. Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine (updated)
frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also #1 has those people in the close background. In #2 they're farther in > the background - it's great that they're there, because they provide the > context of a street scene. But, in #1 they're so close that they are a bit > of a distraction, IMHO. Hi Frank, That's probably where I find the #2 less interesting: the dark people going to the right contrast very well with the man's face pointed to the left. I'm not sure about the expression in #1; being ambiguous is not bad, in my opinion. > In number two, there's light at the end of the street, which brightens up > the whole image, and is much more pleasing to me. Here I agree. A bit more airy. > So, to summarize, #2 is my favourite. Thanks a lot for commenting, Frank. Ciao, Gianfranco PS: the pup in your pic is lovely! = To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine (updated) ...and one more pic
Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These are both nice snaps, but they say nothing about the > man being a shoeshine. They show a fellow on the street > with an interesting expression set off against a nice, > inoffensive background. > (...) > As it is, I keep wanting to see more. I want > to see him at work; I want to see his hands; I want to see > him relaxing by his stand; what does his stand look like? > IOW, you opened the door to this mans life but you've not > let us in. For me, it's frustrating. Hi Shel, Thank you for the thoughtful comment. I'm sorry, I didn't want to frustrate you... :-) I saw that others had similar feelings (thanks to Marnie and again Dag for sharing their thoughts). I think you nailed the point (is it possible to say that?), I wasn't able to by myself. That's always a problem when one keeps looking at a picture (i'm talking about one's pictures) with the context in mind. It is something I try to avoid with a certain effort, and sometimes I fail. The picture of the guy that I took that day that comes closer to my 'style' (or, better, my feelings) is the following: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2148401 I guess this shot portrays the man better than the other two, even if does not let you see his face. Gianfranco PS: maybe the 'inoffensive background' has more to do with my contrasty feelings about those shots: I really like the creamy effect of the bokeh rendered by the Super-Takumar 50/1.4... I definitely should use it more. = To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine (updated)
Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On both pictures I find the reflections in his glasses a bit disturbing. > Otherwise nice. Now that's interesting... I find the reflections to add something to the meaning, i.e.: cheap, uncoated glasses; but, as Shel pointed out, without possible contextualizing elements it is hard to say more than that. From the clothes, the spectacles mount and the haircut I can say that he belongs to the working class, but that is probably not enough (well, August Sander too did sometimes portray people outside of a context - at least, a context recognizable to a 21st Century viewer without reading the caption - but that was the exception...). Ciao, Gianfranco = To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine (updated)
It's definitely the face. In number two, he's smiling. I'm not sure what the expression in number one is. It might sort of be a smile, or not. Also #1 has those people in the close background. In #2 they're farther in the background - it's great that they're there, because they provide the context of a street scene. But, in #1 they're so close that they are a bit of a distraction, IMHO. In number two, there's light at the end of the street, which brightens up the whole image, and is much more pleasing to me. So, to summarize, #2 is my favourite. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gianfranco, FWIW, I like #2 much more. Hard to say why. Something about the expression in his face... _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine (updated)
Gianfranco, FWIW, I like #2 much more. Hard to say why. Something about the expression in his face... cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Gianfranco Irlanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine (updated) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:45:41 -0800 (PST) Dag T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like this one, the look and light on his face and the balance between > where he looks and the light parts of the background works for me. Thanks, Dag. Anyway, take a look at the other one (which I prefer - none of them is a great picture per se, but this one works better for me) and tell me what you think, please: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2147635 > Reminds me of Naples, except that the real thing is more chaotic... How true, although chaotic sounds like an understatement... Ciao, Gianfranco = To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine (updated)
On both pictures I find the reflections in his glasses a bit disturbing. Otherwise nice. On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 20:45, Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: > Dag T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I like this one, the look and light on his face and the > balance between > > where he looks and the light parts of the background works for > me. > > Thanks, Dag. > Anyway, take a look at the other one (which I prefer - none of > them is a great picture per se, but this one works better for > me) and tell me what you think, please: > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2147635 > > > Reminds me of Naples, except that the real thing is more > chaotic... > > How true, although chaotic sounds like an understatement... > > Ciao, > > Gianfranco > > = > To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. > > ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > -- Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine (updated)
Gianfranco ... These are both nice snaps, but they say nothing about the man being a shoeshine. They show a fellow on the street with an interesting expression set off against a nice, inoffensive background. Had you not titled this as "Shoeshine" or told us about what this man does to earn his living, I think the image may have been stronger. As it is, I keep wanting to see more. I want to see him at work; I want to see his hands; I want to see him relaxing by his stand; what does his stand look like? IOW, you opened the door to this mans life but you've not let us in. For me, it's frustrating. shel Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: > > Dag T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I like this one, the look and light on his face and the > balance between > > where he looks and the light parts of the background works for > me. > > Thanks, Dag. > Anyway, take a look at the other one (which I prefer - none of > them is a great picture per se, but this one works better for > me) and tell me what you think, please: > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2147635 > > > Reminds me of Naples, except that the real thing is more > chaotic... > > How true, although chaotic sounds like an understatement...
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine (updated)
Dag T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like this one, the look and light on his face and the balance between > where he looks and the light parts of the background works for me. Thanks, Dag. Anyway, take a look at the other one (which I prefer - none of them is a great picture per se, but this one works better for me) and tell me what you think, please: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2147635 > Reminds me of Naples, except that the real thing is more chaotic... How true, although chaotic sounds like an understatement... Ciao, Gianfranco = To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine
Lon Williamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Whatever it is that grips me about most of your > photos, this doesn't have it for me. > Hi Lon, I have to say that, from a certain point of view, I can only agree with you. I'm going to put the other shot (which I prefer) on photo.net and see if that's more in line with my other production. Thanks for the comment. Ciao, Gianfranco = To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
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Whatever it is that grips me about most of your photos, this doesn't have it for me. -Lon Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: Hi everybody, I'd like to hear some comments about this one: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2147246 I'm not sure if I like it or not...
Re: PAW - Neapolitan Shoeshine
I like this one, the look and light on his face and the balance between where he looks and the light parts of the background works for me. Reminds me of Naples, except that the real thing is more chaotic... DagT På 20. feb. 2004 kl. 17.04 skrev Gianfranco Irlanda: Hi everybody, I'd like to hear some comments about this one: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2147246 I'm not sure if I like it or not... The man is a shoeshine, he works (worked? not sure I saw him recently) along one of the shopping streets in Naples. I took few pictures of his hands at work and a couple of portraits too. There's another one I prefer for his expression, but there something I like about this shot that I'm not able to catch... Ciao, Gianfranco = To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage. ---Emilio Salgari (1863-1911) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
