Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.
On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 11:49:33PM -0500, Doug Franklin wrote: > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:51:33 -0500, frank theriault wrote: > > > It's not as if herbivore cattle suddenly turned into carnivores or > > omnivores. We tricked 'em into it. And, we all know what happens > > when we try to fool Mother Nature... > > Soylent Green is PEOPLE! One of the sig lines I spotted on the net: Soylent Brown is Hamsters!
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:51:33 -0500, frank theriault wrote: > It's not as if herbivore cattle suddenly turned into carnivores or > omnivores. We tricked 'em into it. And, we all know what happens > when we try to fool Mother Nature... Soylent Green is PEOPLE! TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:52:13 -, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All animals will eat anything if they are sufficiently hungry, even their > own young, sometimes. It was the the practice of feeding sheep to cattle > that caused BSE. Yes, but IIRC, they didn't just feed mutton to cattle. The little dead lambies were ground up and added to the cow's regular feed, weren't they? It's not as if herbivore cattle suddenly turned into carnivores or omnivores. We tricked 'em into it. And, we all know what happens when we try to fool Mother Nature... cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Quoting Graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > No the turkey is not a scavenger. Yes, humans are scavengers, along with > bears, pigs, wolverine, hyena, bald eagles, and yes vultures. As far as I > know all omnivores are. > > graywolf > http://www.graywolfphoto.com > "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" > --- > > > Jens Bladt wrote: > > Hmmm... > > A turkey is some sort of vulture - this mean it's a scavenger. > > So, if we eat turkey, we'll become scavengers! > > Well, most of us are, aren't we? There may be some confusion due to the existence of a bird called the Turkey Vulture. I have no idea why it's called a Turkey Vulture. (Well, it is a vulture. But the turkey part?) I also have no idea why it's called a John Crow. ERNR expert in neither birds nor words
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All animals will eat anything if they are sufficiently hungry, even their own young, sometimes. It was the the practice of feeding sheep to cattle that caused BSE. John On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:38:40 -0500, Graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No the turkey is not a scavenger. Yes, humans are scavengers, along with bears, pigs, wolverine, hyena, bald eagles, and yes vultures. As far as I know all omnivores are. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Jens Bladt wrote: Hmmm... A turkey is some sort of vulture - this mean it's a scavenger. So, if we eat turkey, we'll become scavengers! Well, most of us are, aren't we? Nice shot BTW! Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 21. marts 2005 03:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: PESO -- You are what you eat. My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a "Turkey", Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat." Taken to the logical extreme if you eat turkey, you are one. (Not nearly as clever as I had hoped, having had to explain it). The uncropped image has a lot of boring white snow in the foreground. I actually made the photograph with this crop in mind. Markus Maurer wrote: Hi Peter a lovely picture but I do not understand the meaning of title here... How does it look uncropped? greetings Markus Well enough of the people pictures for now. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html Technical data: Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0 As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.3 - Release Date: 25/03/2005
Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.
No the turkey is not a scavenger. Yes, humans are scavengers, along with bears, pigs, wolverine, hyena, bald eagles, and yes vultures. As far as I know all omnivores are. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Jens Bladt wrote: Hmmm... A turkey is some sort of vulture - this mean it's a scavenger. So, if we eat turkey, we'll become scavengers! Well, most of us are, aren't we? Nice shot BTW! Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 21. marts 2005 03:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: PESO -- You are what you eat. My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a "Turkey", Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat." Taken to the logical extreme if you eat turkey, you are one. (Not nearly as clever as I had hoped, having had to explain it). The uncropped image has a lot of boring white snow in the foreground. I actually made the photograph with this crop in mind. Markus Maurer wrote: Hi Peter a lovely picture but I do not understand the meaning of title here... How does it look uncropped? greetings Markus Well enough of the people pictures for now. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html Technical data: Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0 As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.3 - Release Date: 3/25/2005
RE: PESO -- You are what you eat.
Hmmm... A turkey is some sort of vulture - this mean it's a scavenger. So, if we eat turkey, we'll become scavengers! Well, most of us are, aren't we? Nice shot BTW! Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 21. marts 2005 03:02 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: PESO -- You are what you eat. My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a "Turkey", Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat." Taken to the logical extreme if you eat turkey, you are one. (Not nearly as clever as I had hoped, having had to explain it). The uncropped image has a lot of boring white snow in the foreground. I actually made the photograph with this crop in mind. Markus Maurer wrote: >Hi Peter >a lovely picture but I do not understand the meaning of title here... >How does it look uncropped? >greetings >Markus > > > >>>Well enough of the people pictures for now. >>> >>>http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html >>> >>>Technical data: >>>Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec >>>smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0 >>> >>>As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored. >>> >>> > > > > > -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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Great shot Peter. The wild turkey has made a huge comeback here in southern ontario in the past 15 years. I have some pictures of them that i can show,but only off list who ever wants to see. Dave > Well enough of the people pictures for now. > > http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html > > Technical data: > Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec > smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0 > > As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored. > > > -- > I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. > During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings > and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during > peacetime. > --P.J. O'Rourke > >
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:39:34 -0500, Peter J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well enough of the people pictures for now. > > http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html > > Technical data: > Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec > smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0 > > As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored. > > -- > I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. > During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings > and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during > peacetime. > --P.J. O'Rourke > I love it! Those things are so comical! Remind me of cartoon characters or something. Great shot, Peter! cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Hi, Monday, March 21, 2005, 3:30:29 PM, Graywolf wrote: > I did not say the name of the bird was a corruption of turnkey. I > said the derogatory term was. Anyone who has read about English > prisons of the 1600-1700's can easily understand why it became so. > Despite popular opinion there is really no connection between the > bird (etiology as you described) and the insult (etiology as I > described) except that they are spelled and pronounced the same. I can't find any evidence for the derivation from 'turnkey'. The use of 'turkey' as an insult is apparently not recorded before the 1950s. The gap between common use of 'turnkey', and 'turkey' as an insult seems too wide to be feasible. In my opinion it's more likely to come from the theatrical use of 'turkey' meaning a show that has failed, which is dated only to the 1920s. That in turn probably derives from the bird's reputation for stupidity and clumsiness. Or, the insult may have strode right past the theatre, and have derived from 'turkey-cock', which was a word for a strutting, pompous, vain or gobbling blusterer. -- Cheers, Bob
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Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The only thing that URL didn't address was my unoriginal thesis that the > name came about as a result of the Portuguese importation from New > Guinea, a territory of Turkey. > For refutation of any of those contentions, you'll have to take it up > with the authors of "The Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology," The > Oxford Universisty Press, London, the source I used. Keith, I don't know what the Oxford Dictionary says about the New Guinea (South West Pacific), but neither that nor the Guinea (Western Africa) were a territory of Turkey or of the Ottoman Empire. It is true though that the guinea fowl was also known as turkey, being brought to Europe via Turkey (and the American turkey was named this way after the guinea fowl for its resemblance to the latter). Ciao, Gianfranco _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
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Peter J. Alling wrote: I looked for a second source for what I knew to be true rather than just baldly asserting something as fact. The Mass. site is wordy but authoritative. That doesn't seem to be particularly arrogant to me. If I'd been wrong I would have simply have corrected my knowledge. I've accepted Greywolf's derivation of the derogatory use of turkey, if only provisionally, even though I've never heard it before. I couldn't find any references in a cursory examination, it's at least as correct as anything I've heard before. You on the other hand assumed that you were right no matter what. This is especially bad since your facts were wrong. That's arrogance. I'm glad you're not my doctor or lawyer. Well, I do consider the Oxford University Press to have some standing in the world, and to me it carries a lot of weight. The Commonwealth of Massachusetts has NO standing with me, as historically (last 50 years) they've perpetrated a number of heinous and unconscionable acts, in public no less, in the guise of legislatively approved and sanctioned laws... and they're very low on my list of folks I can trust. Sort of like their legislators that the people keep re-electing! "Asssumed [I] was right, no matter what?" No, not quite, sir. I think that very few of us are able to show original thought, in terms of original research in most matters. We depend heavily on other's research and writings. There's certainly not enough time in THIS lifetime to do all our own research, so we do have to depend on others. Oxford University Press writings have stood the test of time and checking against other sources, in my experience. I must assume that being only human, they do make mistakes, but... in the origin of the stupid American Turkey? Please. Small matter, all things considered. Keith Whaley wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: The Domesticated turkey is in not related to the Guinea foul or imported from New Guinea, as you stated". I figure if they're all genus Meleagris, but have different species (?) names, like Meleagris gallopavo, etc, they're essentially decended from the same bird. it was: 1) Native to North and South America. >>> 2.) Domesticated by the Aztecs. 3.) Brought to Iberia by the Conquistadors, >>> 4.) Spread throughout Eurasia by trade and made it's way to England. 5.) Re-introduced to the New World by the English settlers after being renamed for various not particularly certain reasons the Turkey. How can one tell the #1s from the #5s? Or is there no claim of a difference? What we know as a turkey today is the very same turkey that was native to N. and S. America? Just for the heck of it, I'll see what sort of confirmation I can get on those claims. You were totally wrong and you obviously didn't even read the section I quoted. Totally? Sighhh. Quite frankly, I read only enough to determine how close Massachussets got to what the Oxford Dictionary related. I read enough to tell they were very close (I interepret things a little differently from you...) so I stopped and closed the URL. No need to read it all. I don't have a final grade hanging on the whims of a self-important professor. Thank god those days are over. The only part you got even close to right was how it was probably named. If I were grading you in College you'd get a F. I'd give you a lower one for arrogance but they don't get lower. [...]
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Hey. Before your heads explode, the word "turkey" is used to describe three strikes in a row while bowling. So this either means that you're a bad batsman or a good bowler. (And if you go to a bowling alley where they have the TV screens, sometimes they put up a picture of a strange bird.) -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com
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I looked for a second source for what I knew to be true rather than just baldly asserting something as fact. The Mass. site is wordy but authoritative. That doesn't seem to be particularly arrogant to me. If I'd been wrong I would have simply have corrected my knowledge. I've accepted Greywolf's derivation of the derogatory use of turkey, if only provisionally, even though I've never heard it before. I couldn't find any references in a cursory examination, it's at least as correct as anything I've heard before. You on the other hand assumed that you were right no matter what. This is especially bad since your facts were wrong. That's arrogance. I'm glad you're not my doctor or lawyer. Keith Whaley wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: The Domesticated turkey is in not related to the Guinea foul or imported from New Guinea, as you stated". it was: 1) Native to North and South America. 2.) Domesticated by the Aztecs. 3.) Brought to Iberia by the Conquistadors, 4.) Spread throughout Eurasia by trade and made it's way to England. 5.) Re-introduced to the New World by the English settlers after being renamed for various not particularly certain reasons the Turkey. You were totally wrong and you obviously didn't even read the section I quoted. Totally? Sighhh. Quite frankly, I read only enough to determine how close Massachussets got to what the Oxford Dictionary related. I read enough to tell they were very close (I interepret things a little differently from you...) so I stopped and closed the URL. No need to read it all. I don't have a final grade hanging on the whims of a self-important professor. Thank god those days are over. The only part you got even close to right was how it was probably named. If I were grading you in College you'd get a F. I'd give you a lower one for arrogance but they don't get lower. Peter Alling calling ME arrogant? It is to laugh... 'Bye! keith Keith Whaley wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: [...] The "Guinea fowl" name came from the fact that this genus (Meleagris galloparo) was originally imported to Portugal from New Guinea, which was a Turkish territory back then. Over time, the bird's name became commonly known as a Turkey. How long the North American turkey was here, and from where it came specifically, I don't know, but the above history is true. Sorry that's wrong. See: http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dfw/dfw_turkey_learning_kit.htm#Q1 "Wrong?" All I see is a massive elaboration and coloration of most of my comments. The only thing that URL didn't address was my unoriginal thesis that the name came about as a result of the Portuguese importation from New Guinea, a territory of Turkey. For refutation of any of those contentions, you'll have to take it up with the authors of "The Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology," The Oxford Universisty Press, London, the source I used. keith whaley keith Now why is it can I never seem to remember anything useful? graywolf Peter J. Alling wrote: My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a "Turkey", Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat." [...] -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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Peter J. Alling wrote: The Domesticated turkey is in not related to the Guinea foul or imported from New Guinea, as you stated". it was: 1) Native to North and South America. 2.) Domesticated by the Aztecs. 3.) Brought to Iberia by the Conquistadors, 4.) Spread throughout Eurasia by trade and made it's way to England. 5.) Re-introduced to the New World by the English settlers after being renamed for various not particularly certain reasons the Turkey. You were totally wrong and you obviously didn't even read the section I quoted. Totally? Sighhh. Quite frankly, I read only enough to determine how close Massachussets got to what the Oxford Dictionary related. I read enough to tell they were very close (I interepret things a little differently from you...) so I stopped and closed the URL. No need to read it all. I don't have a final grade hanging on the whims of a self-important professor. Thank god those days are over. The only part you got even close to right was how it was probably named. If I were grading you in College you'd get a F. I'd give you a lower one for arrogance but they don't get lower. Peter Alling calling ME arrogant? It is to laugh... 'Bye! keith Keith Whaley wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: [...] The "Guinea fowl" name came from the fact that this genus (Meleagris galloparo) was originally imported to Portugal from New Guinea, which was a Turkish territory back then. Over time, the bird's name became commonly known as a Turkey. How long the North American turkey was here, and from where it came specifically, I don't know, but the above history is true. Sorry that's wrong. See: http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dfw/dfw_turkey_learning_kit.htm#Q1 "Wrong?" All I see is a massive elaboration and coloration of most of my comments. The only thing that URL didn't address was my unoriginal thesis that the name came about as a result of the Portuguese importation from New Guinea, a territory of Turkey. For refutation of any of those contentions, you'll have to take it up with the authors of "The Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology," The Oxford Universisty Press, London, the source I used. keith whaley keith Now why is it can I never seem to remember anything useful? graywolf Peter J. Alling wrote: My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a "Turkey", Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat." [...]
Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.
The Domesticated turkey is in not related to the Guinea foul or imported from New Guinea, as you stated". it was: 1) Native to North and South America. 2.) Domesticated by the Aztecs. 3.) Brought to Iberia by the Conquistadors, 4.) Spread throughout Eurasia by trade and made it's way to England. 5.) Re-introduced to the New World by the English settlers after being renamed for various not particularly certain reasons the Turkey. You were totally wrong and you obviously didn't even read the section I quoted. The only part you got even close to right was how it was probably named. If I were grading you in College you'd get a F. I'd give you a lower one for arrogance but they don't get lower. Keith Whaley wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: [...] The "Guinea fowl" name came from the fact that this genus (Meleagris galloparo) was originally imported to Portugal from New Guinea, which was a Turkish territory back then. Over time, the bird's name became commonly known as a Turkey. How long the North American turkey was here, and from where it came specifically, I don't know, but the above history is true. Sorry that's wrong. See: http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dfw/dfw_turkey_learning_kit.htm#Q1 "Wrong?" All I see is a massive elaboration and coloration of most of my comments. The only thing that URL didn't address was my unoriginal thesis that the name came about as a result of the Portuguese importation from New Guinea, a territory of Turkey. For refutation of any of those contentions, you'll have to take it up with the authors of "The Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology," The Oxford Universisty Press, London, the source I used. keith whaley keith Now why is it can I never seem to remember anything useful? graywolf Peter J. Alling wrote: My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a "Turkey", Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat." [...] -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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Peter J. Alling wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: [...] The "Guinea fowl" name came from the fact that this genus (Meleagris galloparo) was originally imported to Portugal from New Guinea, which was a Turkish territory back then. Over time, the bird's name became commonly known as a Turkey. How long the North American turkey was here, and from where it came specifically, I don't know, but the above history is true. Sorry that's wrong. See: http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dfw/dfw_turkey_learning_kit.htm#Q1 "Wrong?" All I see is a massive elaboration and coloration of most of my comments. The only thing that URL didn't address was my unoriginal thesis that the name came about as a result of the Portuguese importation from New Guinea, a territory of Turkey. For refutation of any of those contentions, you'll have to take it up with the authors of "The Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology," The Oxford Universisty Press, London, the source I used. keith whaley keith Now why is it can I never seem to remember anything useful? graywolf Peter J. Alling wrote: My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a "Turkey", Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat." [...]
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Keith Whaley wrote: Graywolf wrote: The derogatorily term "turkey" is a corruption of "turnkey" and has to do with prison guards in merry old England and not birds. However your pun was understood. If I may, that assumption (a corruption of "turnkey") turns out to not be true. Back in the Greek and Roman days, what was later to be called a Guinea fowl and eventually our "turkey," was called Meleagris. Some confusion exists because there are several varieties of Guinea fowl, some frrom Africa as well. The "Guinea fowl" name came from the fact that this genus (Meleagris galloparo) was originally imported to Portugal from New Guinea, which was a Turkish territory back then. Over time, the bird's name became commonly known as a Turkey. How long the North American turkey was here, and from where it came specifically, I don't know, but the above history is true. Sorry that's wrong. See: http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dfw/dfw_turkey_learning_kit.htm#Q1 keith Now why is it can I never seem to remember anything useful? graywolf Peter J. Alling wrote: My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a "Turkey", Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat." [...] -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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It sounds good. I'm not sure how to phrase the theme. Markus Maurer wrote: Hi Peter this looks more like an example of the language barrier than an exapmle of "strange sense of humor". BTW, "this" would be a nice PUG theme, what do you think? greetings Markus My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
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I did not say the name of the bird was a corruption of turnkey. I said the derogatory term was. Anyone who has read about English prisons of the 1600-1700's can easily understand why it became so. Despite popular opinion there is really no connection between the bird (etiology as you described) and the insult (etiology as I described) except that they are spelled and pronounced the same. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Keith Whaley wrote: Graywolf wrote: The derogatorily term "turkey" is a corruption of "turnkey" and has to do with prison guards in merry old England and not birds. However your pun was understood. If I may, that assumption (a corruption of "turnkey") turns out to not be true. Back in the Greek and Roman days, what was later to be called a Guinea fowl and eventually our "turkey," was called Meleagris. Some confusion exists because there are several varieties of Guinea fowl, some frrom Africa as well. The "Guinea fowl" name came from the fact that this genus (Meleagris galloparo) was originally imported to Portugal from New Guinea, which was a Turkish territory back then. Over time, the bird's name became commonly known as a Turkey. How long the North American turkey was here, and from where it came specifically, I don't know, but the above history is true. keith Now why is it can I never seem to remember anything useful? graywolf Peter J. Alling wrote: My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a "Turkey", Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat." [...] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
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Graywolf wrote: The derogatorily term "turkey" is a corruption of "turnkey" and has to do with prison guards in merry old England and not birds. However your pun was understood. If I may, that assumption (a corruption of "turnkey") turns out to not be true. Back in the Greek and Roman days, what was later to be called a Guinea fowl and eventually our "turkey," was called Meleagris. Some confusion exists because there are several varieties of Guinea fowl, some frrom Africa as well. The "Guinea fowl" name came from the fact that this genus (Meleagris galloparo) was originally imported to Portugal from New Guinea, which was a Turkish territory back then. Over time, the bird's name became commonly known as a Turkey. How long the North American turkey was here, and from where it came specifically, I don't know, but the above history is true. keith Now why is it can I never seem to remember anything useful? graywolf Peter J. Alling wrote: My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a "Turkey", Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat." [...]
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Hi Peter this looks more like an example of the language barrier than an exapmle of "strange sense of humor". BTW, "this" would be a nice PUG theme, what do you think? greetings Markus >>My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this >>native American Bird is called a Turkey. A >>
Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.
The derogatorily term "turkey" is a corruption of "turnkey" and has to do with prison guards in merry old England and not birds. However your pun was understood. Now why is it can I never seem to remember anything useful? graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Peter J. Alling wrote: My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a "Turkey", Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat." Taken to the logical extreme if you eat turkey, you are one. (Not nearly as clever as I had hoped, having had to explain it). The uncropped image has a lot of boring white snow in the foreground. I actually made the photograph with this crop in mind. Markus Maurer wrote: Hi Peter a lovely picture but I do not understand the meaning of title here... How does it look uncropped? greetings Markus Well enough of the people pictures for now. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html Technical data: Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0 As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.
Very nice shot - those guys are incredibly hard to stalk, so good work getting within shooting range! - MCC - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: PESO -- You are what you eat. Well enough of the people pictures for now. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html Technical data: Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0 As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into the engines of 747's. Don Sanderson wrote: I got it! There's a sign over my desk at work that says: "It's hard to fly with the eagles, when you work with a bunch of turkeys" No one seems to appreciate it much, perhaps its location? Don ;-) -Original Message- From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:02 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO -- You are what you eat. My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a "Turkey", Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat." Taken to the logical extreme if you eat turkey, you are one. (Not nearly as clever as I had hoped, having had to explain it). The uncropped image has a lot of boring white snow in the foreground. I actually made the photograph with this crop in mind. Markus Maurer wrote: Hi Peter a lovely picture but I do not understand the meaning of title here... How does it look uncropped? greetings Markus Well enough of the people pictures for now. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html Technical data: Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0 As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
RE: PESO -- You are what you eat.
I got it! There's a sign over my desk at work that says: "It's hard to fly with the eagles, when you work with a bunch of turkeys" No one seems to appreciate it much, perhaps its location? Don ;-) > -Original Message- > From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:02 PM > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: PESO -- You are what you eat. > > > My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this > native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American > English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, > is to call someone a "Turkey", Then there is the statement in the true > but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat." > Taken to the logical extreme if you eat turkey, you are one. (Not > nearly as clever as I had hoped, having had to explain it). > > The uncropped image has a lot of boring white snow in the foreground. I > actually made the photograph with this crop in mind. > > Markus Maurer wrote: > > >Hi Peter > >a lovely picture but I do not understand the meaning of title here... > >How does it look uncropped? > >greetings > >Markus > > > > > > > >>>Well enough of the people pictures for now. > >>> > >>>http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html > >>> > >>>Technical data: > >>>Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec > >>>smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0 > >>> > >>>As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored. > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. > During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings > and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on > during peacetime. > --P.J. O'Rourke > >
Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.
My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a "Turkey", Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat." Taken to the logical extreme if you eat turkey, you are one. (Not nearly as clever as I had hoped, having had to explain it). The uncropped image has a lot of boring white snow in the foreground. I actually made the photograph with this crop in mind. Markus Maurer wrote: Hi Peter a lovely picture but I do not understand the meaning of title here... How does it look uncropped? greetings Markus Well enough of the people pictures for now. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html Technical data: Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0 As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
RE: PESO -- You are what you eat.
Hi Peter a lovely picture but I do not understand the meaning of title here... How does it look uncropped? greetings Markus > >>Well enough of the people pictures for now. >> >>http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html >> >>Technical data: >>Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec >>smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0 >> >>As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored.
PESO -- You are what you eat.
Well enough of the people pictures for now. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html Technical data: Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0 As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
