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My next bike will be wood composite: http://www.renovobikes.com/r4-pursuit/ I think you want a bamboo bike: http://www.calfeedesign.com/bamboo.htm I'm surprised it uses forks. I'd have thought chopsticks were more appropriate. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think you want a bamboo bike: http://www.calfeedesign.com/bamboo.htm I'm surprised it uses forks. I'd have thought chopsticks were more appropriate. You're right! I think we've been bamboo-zled... Wok he said. Puns are soy last year. I knew someone else would rice to the occasion. Sure, but going against the grain. I'll be hoisin a pint to you later. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bamboo is nice especially with the hemp lugs but the Renovo wood-composite is just gorgeous. Christian -Original Message- From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 11:21 pm Subject: Re: PESO - Christina's New Baby - Attn: Bike Pron On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Christian Skofteland pterali...@aim.com wrote: My next bike will be wood composite: http://www.renovobikes.com/r4-pursuit/ I think you want a bamboo bike: http://www.calfeedesign.com/bamboo.htm BTW, nice shot, frank. Thanks, Christian, and thanks to everyone else who looked and commented. Beautiful girl with a beautiful bike - how could I go wrong? ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think you want a bamboo bike: http://www.calfeedesign.com/bamboo.htm I'm surprised it uses forks. I'd have thought chopsticks were more appropriate. You're right! I think we've been bamboo-zled... Wok he said. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: I think you want a bamboo bike: http://www.calfeedesign.com/bamboo.htm I'm surprised it uses forks. I'd have thought chopsticks were more appropriate. You're right! I think we've been bamboo-zled... Wok he said. Puns are soy last year. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think you want a bamboo bike: http://www.calfeedesign.com/bamboo.htm I'm surprised it uses forks. I'd have thought chopsticks were more appropriate. You're right! I think we've been bamboo-zled... Wok he said. Puns are soy last year. I knew someone else would rice to the occasion. Sure, but going against the grain. I'll be hoisin a pint to you later. Tso predictable... Christian -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:35 AM, mike wilson wrote: Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: I think you want a bamboo bike: http://www.calfeedesign.com/bamboo.htm I'm surprised it uses forks. I'd have thought chopsticks were more appropriate. You're right! I think we've been bamboo-zled... Wok he said. Puns are soy last year. People in grass houses -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: I think you want a bamboo bike: http://www.calfeedesign.com/bamboo.htm I'm surprised it uses forks. I'd have thought chopsticks were more appropriate. You're right! I think we've been bamboo-zled... Wok he said. Puns are soy last year. I knew someone else would rice to the occasion. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: My next bike will be wood composite: http://www.renovobikes.com/r4-pursuit/ I think you want a bamboo bike: http://www.calfeedesign.com/bamboo.htm I'm surprised it uses forks. I'd have thought chopsticks were more appropriate. You're right! I think we've been bamboo-zled... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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m...@robertstech.com wrote: mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: I think you want a bamboo bike: http://www.calfeedesign.com/bamboo.htm I'm surprised it uses forks. I'd have thought chopsticks were more appropriate. You're right! I think we've been bamboo-zled... Wok he said. Puns are soy last year. I knew someone else would rice to the occasion. Sure, but going against the grain. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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She looks remarkably fit for coming directly from labour. Must be all that cycling. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/3/7 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: One for the bike crowd. This weekend is Toronto's annual Bike Show. I don't go any more because the cheap bargains are no longer anywhere to be seen. However, one can get some big ticket items at amazing prices if you get there early. My room mate's girlfriend Christina got there early and bought this lovely Cervelo T3: http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2010/03/christinas-new-baby.html Aluminium frame, full Shimano Ultegra gruppo, it's light and beautiful. She was happy to have her new baby's portrait taken before taking it out on its inaugural ride this morning. It's now 7:30 pm and she's still not back. Must be some ride! ;-) Taken with the *istD and Vivitar S1 f3.8 constant aperture 24-48mm. I keep forgetting how lovely and sharp this lens is. And almost distortion-free (this was taken at 24mm). Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/3/8 Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com: She looks remarkably fit for coming directly from labour. Must be all that cycling. must be cruel for the baby, too - forced out into the cold to take mom piggyback well past dusk... poor kid and look at her/his lean frame, too ]=) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/7/2010 12:44 AM, frank theriault wrote: There are some very nice alumimium bikes out there. It's not as sexy as carbon fibre, not as familiar as steel, but for the price, aluminium is a nice combination of stiffness and lightness. Aluminium has a bad reputation for harshness, but (like anything else), if designed properly, aluminium frames can work very well. That's not to say that it's superior to steel or carbon; it's all what the designer/framebuilder does with it, isn't it? I love my aluminium Fondriest trackbike! My next bike will be wood composite: http://www.renovobikes.com/r4-pursuit/ BTW, nice shot, frank. Christian -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/6/10, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2010/03/christinas-new-baby.html Nice shot, cute girl, nice bike even if I am somewhat biased against Aluminum. Just ordered a new bike myself. Duke's was nice enough to call up Kona and check if they had any leftover 2009 Honky Tonk's in my size as I don't like the 2010 versions (A nice steel road bike should not have cheapo brifters, Dura-Ace DT shifters are the better choice). Got lucky and they did, so I plunked down my cash and I should have my new bike next weekend. Sweet! I had no idea there were any production bikes anywhere being shipped with down tube shifters. Unfortunately, Shimano has discontinued the 9-speed DT shifters and the new 10-speed shifters don't have a friction option. Double boo! I'm working on my very first road bike at the moment and I managed to snag one of the last few sets of the 9sp DT shifters Gnashbar had in stock a while back. She just needs wheels and rubber. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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frank theriault wrote: [...] Steel frames last forever if treated well. [...] Amen to that. My Dawes Galaxy touring bike is as nice a ride now as when I bought it new in 1973. I had to completely strip it down and go over everything to clean and lube it a couple of years ago, and I've replaced the original steel pedals because of too much rust. I was considering replacing it at one point, but after test riding what's out there I came to realize that I'd only be happy with one built just like it (and not aluminum) and that looks like $2K and up, so I'll stick with 'old Mr Dawes. :-) -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The thought of passing a bicycle G. On 3/8/2010 9:09 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: She looks remarkably fit for coming directly from labour. Must be all that cycling. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/3/7 frank theriaultknarftheria...@gmail.com: One for the bike crowd. This weekend is Toronto's annual Bike Show. I don't go any more because the cheap bargains are no longer anywhere to be seen. However, one can get some big ticket items at amazing prices if you get there early. My room mate's girlfriend Christina got there early and bought this lovely Cervelo T3: http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2010/03/christinas-new-baby.html Aluminium frame, full Shimano Ultegra gruppo, it's light and beautiful. She was happy to have her new baby's portrait taken before taking it out on its inaugural ride this morning. It's now 7:30 pm and she's still not back. Must be some ride! ;-) Taken with the *istD and Vivitar S1 f3.8 constant aperture 24-48mm. I keep forgetting how lovely and sharp this lens is. And almost distortion-free (this was taken at 24mm). Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fnil\fcharset0 Courier New;}} \viewkind4\uc1\pard\f0\fs20 I've just upgraded to Thunderbird 3.0 and the interface subtly weird.\par } -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Christian Skofteland pterali...@aim.com wrote: My next bike will be wood composite: http://www.renovobikes.com/r4-pursuit/ I think you want a bamboo bike: http://www.calfeedesign.com/bamboo.htm BTW, nice shot, frank. Thanks, Christian, and thanks to everyone else who looked and commented. Beautiful girl with a beautiful bike - how could I go wrong? ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 12:35 AM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:38 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: snip My room mate's girlfriend Christina got there early and bought this lovely Cervelo T3: http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2010/03/christinas-new-baby.html snip Correction: The bike is a Cervelo S1. The fork is model T3. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused. Ah, I thought so.:-) Very good shot Franks Dave cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm read the below as; Blah blah blah Christina blah blah blah... I do like the shot though. :-) DS On 7 March 2010 08:38, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: One for the bike crowd. This weekend is Toronto's annual Bike Show. I don't go any more because the cheap bargains are no longer anywhere to be seen. However, one can get some big ticket items at amazing prices if you get there early. My room mate's girlfriend Christina got there early and bought this lovely Cervelo T3: http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2010/03/christinas-new-baby.html Aluminium frame, full Shimano Ultegra gruppo, it's light and beautiful. She was happy to have her new baby's portrait taken before taking it out on its inaugural ride this morning. It's now 7:30 pm and she's still not back. Must be some ride! ;-) Taken with the *istD and Vivitar S1 f3.8 constant aperture 24-48mm. I keep forgetting how lovely and sharp this lens is. And almost distortion-free (this was taken at 24mm). Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 2:33 AM, Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com wrote: What do you guys think about recumbents? I love mine: bacchetta giro I've never ridden one so I can't comment. I think for the type of city riding I do (especially for messengering) they wouldn't be too practical. I'd love to try one some day. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Back long ago and far away when I was doing major long-distance cycling, I knew several people who rode recumbents. I was never tempted. One issue for me is the visibility, both the more limited sight-line for the rider and the lower profile (literally and figuratively) when on the road. In normal road bikes I found I preferred shorter wheel base for the responsive handling (sports car vs. comfy full-size sedan) and I think the recumbent would be a large truck on this spectrum. stan On Mar 7, 2010, at 7:21 AM, frank theriault wrote: On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 2:33 AM, Sasha Sobol sa...@asobol.com wrote: What do you guys think about recumbents? I love mine: bacchetta giro I've never ridden one so I can't comment. I think for the type of city riding I do (especially for messengering) they wouldn't be too practical. I'd love to try one some day. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 12:44 AM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Nice shot, cute girl, nice bike even if I am somewhat biased against Aluminum. There are some very nice alumimium bikes out there. It's not as sexy as carbon fibre, not as familiar as steel, but for the price, aluminium is a nice combination of stiffness and lightness. Aluminium has a bad reputation for harshness, but (like anything else), if designed properly, aluminium frames can work very well. That's not to say that it's superior to steel or carbon; it's all what the designer/framebuilder does with it, isn't it? I love my aluminium Fondriest trackbike! Yes, Aluminum does do well for certain applications. But there's a couple things I don't like about it, most due to my overall dislike of stiff rides (as opposed to harsh rides, stiff is not harsh) and longevity issues. Aluminum frames wear out as aluminum has a limited fatigue life (unlike steel) and a compliant aluminum frame is more susceptible to this than a stiff one. This is an issue for me as I tend to keep my bikes long-term (My main ride is 12 years old and it will still be in use after the Honky Tonk arrives) That said, for a track bike or race bike where stiffness is a major win and limited lifespan is not an issue, Aluminum does very well and provides a lower-cost high performance alternative to Carbon (and without some of the risks of Carbon) Just ordered a new bike myself. Duke's was nice enough to call up Kona and check if they had any leftover 2009 Honky Tonk's in my size as I don't like the 2010 versions (A nice steel road bike should not have cheapo brifters, Dura-Ace DT shifters are the better choice). Got lucky and they did, so I plunked down my cash and I should have my new bike next weekend. Kona make some very nice bikes and Dura Ace is pretty damned nice stuff. Congrats on your new bike; the weather's looking pretty good for some good riding! cheers, frank I do wish that there was more DA on the bike than just the shifters (the drivetrain is 9 speed Tiagra with a 105 RD), and yeah, the weather is great, today's my 3rd day in a row on the bike and I'm looking at a solid week of nice commuting weather. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: Back long ago and far away when I was doing major long-distance cycling, I knew several people who rode recumbents. I was never tempted. One issue for me is the visibility, both the more limited sight-line for the rider and the lower profile (literally and figuratively) when on the road. In normal road bikes I found I preferred shorter wheel base for the responsive handling (sports car vs. comfy full-size sedan) and I think the recumbent would be a large truck on this spectrum. For me, a recumbent would be ~right out~ for the city, especially messengering, where ability to zip between cars and hop curbs and other obstacles in emergency situations is helpful. I do think I might like a 'bent for long flattish rides, but if any climbing is involved, I'd want the lightness and short wheelbase that a traditional diamond frame provides. And, if I had back issues (which thankfully I don't), a recumbent would be great! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Yes, Aluminum does do well for certain applications. But there's a couple things I don't like about it, most due to my overall dislike of stiff rides (as opposed to harsh rides, stiff is not harsh) and longevity issues. Aluminum frames wear out as aluminum has a limited fatigue life (unlike steel) and a compliant aluminum frame is more susceptible to this than a stiff one. This is an issue for me as I tend to keep my bikes long-term (My main ride is 12 years old and it will still be in use after the Honky Tonk arrives) That said, for a track bike or race bike where stiffness is a major win and limited lifespan is not an issue, Aluminum does very well and provides a lower-cost high performance alternative to Carbon (and without some of the risks of Carbon) One thing I'll say is that certainly aluminium is a compromise. If money were no object I'd ride CF. But for the cost, aluminium does very well. You're right about aluminium's longevity (or lack of it). It literally starts micro-cracking the moment it's put together. 3 to 5 years is the longest I'd ride one (meaning that my Fondriest is getting very long-in-the-tooth). For a messenger frame, which tends to have a short lifespan anyway, it's not such an issue, but for the average cyclist, it is something to consider. Steel frames last forever if treated well. Tubes can be replaced when damaged. For longer rides, steel would be my preference, which is why I'm currently putting together a road bike based on an old mid-nineties Marinoni lugged steel frame. It should be like riding a barcalounger compared to my trackbike. I do wish that there was more DA on the bike than just the shifters (the drivetrain is 9 speed Tiagra with a 105 RD), and yeah, the weather is great, today's my 3rd day in a row on the bike and I'm looking at a solid week of nice commuting weather. Until Thursday (high of +2C, wet snow/mixed precip - yuck!). Enjoy your commutes until then - I'll enjoy my job, that's for sure! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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frank theriault wrote: You're right about aluminium's longevity (or lack of it). It literally starts micro-cracking the moment it's put together. 3 to 5 years is the longest I'd ride one (meaning that my Fondriest is getting very long-in-the-tooth). For a messenger frame, which tends to have a short lifespan anyway, it's not such an issue, but for the average cyclist, it is something to consider. FWIW, I think this is mostly urban legend, passed down through cyclists, mechanics and (ahem) bike shop owners. Aluminum is used for frames of racing motorcycles and aircraft and lasts a lot longer than 5 years without trouble. Granted, it's likely to be different alloys, etc, but the basic technology is the same. I know plenty of people who've used aluminum-framed bikes for 10 years or more. A more cynical note: I can't believe aluminum-framed bikes would be sold *at all* in the liability-lawsuit-crazed U.S. if half the stories of their limited lifespans had much truth to them. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca Subject: Re: PESO - Christina's New Baby - Attn: Bike Pron On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 12:44 AM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Nice shot, cute girl, nice bike even if I am somewhat biased against Aluminum. There are some very nice alumimium bikes out there. It's not as sexy as carbon fibre, not as familiar as steel, but for the price, aluminium is a nice combination of stiffness and lightness. Aluminium has a bad reputation for harshness, but (like anything else), if designed properly, aluminium frames can work very well. That's not to say that it's superior to steel or carbon; it's all what the designer/framebuilder does with it, isn't it? I love my aluminium Fondriest trackbike! Yes, Aluminum does do well for certain applications. But there's a couple things I don't like about it, most due to my overall dislike of stiff rides (as opposed to harsh rides, stiff is not harsh) and longevity issues. Aluminum frames wear out as aluminum has a limited fatigue life (unlike steel) and a compliant aluminum frame is more susceptible to this than a stiff one. This is an issue for me as I tend to keep my bikes long-term (My main ride is 12 years old and it will still be in use after the Honky Tonk arrives) That said, for a track bike or race bike where stiffness is a major win and limited lifespan is not an issue, Aluminum does very well and provides a lower-cost high performance alternative to Carbon (and without some of the risks of Carbon) I have a 21 year old Cannondale mtn bike and outside of a few tires tubes have never had to replace anything on it and while I haven't ridden anything else in those years, the ride is ok by me - could be the fat mtn tires. Just ordered a new bike myself. Duke's was nice enough to call up Kona and check if they had any leftover 2009 Honky Tonk's in my size as I don't like the 2010 versions (A nice steel road bike should not have cheapo brifters, Dura-Ace DT shifters are the better choice). Got lucky and they did, so I plunked down my cash and I should have my new bike next weekend. Kona make some very nice bikes and Dura Ace is pretty damned nice stuff. Congrats on your new bike; the weather's looking pretty good for some good riding! cheers, frank I do wish that there was more DA on the bike than just the shifters (the drivetrain is 9 speed Tiagra with a 105 RD), and yeah, the weather is great, today's my 3rd day in a row on the bike and I'm looking at a solid week of nice commuting weather. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Christina's New Baby - Attn: Bike Pron
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: frank theriault wrote: You're right about aluminium's longevity (or lack of it). It literally starts micro-cracking the moment it's put together. 3 to 5 years is the longest I'd ride one (meaning that my Fondriest is getting very long-in-the-tooth). For a messenger frame, which tends to have a short lifespan anyway, it's not such an issue, but for the average cyclist, it is something to consider. FWIW, I think this is mostly urban legend, passed down through cyclists, mechanics and (ahem) bike shop owners. Aluminum is used for frames of racing motorcycles and aircraft and lasts a lot longer than 5 years without trouble. Granted, it's likely to be different alloys, etc, but the basic technology is the same. I know plenty of people who've used aluminum-framed bikes for 10 years or more. A more cynical note: I can't believe aluminum-framed bikes would be sold *at all* in the liability-lawsuit-crazed U.S. if half the stories of their limited lifespans had much truth to them. Aircraft have limited stress lifetimes for exactly this reason. And a rebuild for a smaller aircraft pretty much comes down to stripping it and replacing the high-stress items at a certain set point in the lifespan. Aircraft also get inspected every 100 hours and if a pattern of stress cracks is found entire fleets will be grounded. Your motorcycle frame benefits from suspension which damps alot of the vibrations and stress (Aluminum FS bicycles also benefit from this by a large amount) and also benefits from the extra strength you can build in since compliance is provided by the suspension. FS bikes (and motorcycles) are massively overbuilt compared to the frames we are talking about here (a typical road bike frame made from aluminum is 3-4lbs) Aluminum frames don't have legal issues since the average user doesn't ride all that much and frame warranties tend to be quite good. Frame life is 5-10 years under heavy use, 10-20 years under light use, essentially forever under typical consumer use (most bike owners ride less than 100km per year). The real concern with Aluminum is if you are a heavy user (Racer, messenger, the hardcore MTB user running a rigid or hardtail) or if you buy an older frame which has been used in such a manner. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Christina's New Baby - Attn: Bike Pron
One for the bike crowd. This weekend is Toronto's annual Bike Show. I don't go any more because the cheap bargains are no longer anywhere to be seen. However, one can get some big ticket items at amazing prices if you get there early. My room mate's girlfriend Christina got there early and bought this lovely Cervelo T3: http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2010/03/christinas-new-baby.html Aluminium frame, full Shimano Ultegra gruppo, it's light and beautiful. She was happy to have her new baby's portrait taken before taking it out on its inaugural ride this morning. It's now 7:30 pm and she's still not back. Must be some ride! ;-) Taken with the *istD and Vivitar S1 f3.8 constant aperture 24-48mm. I keep forgetting how lovely and sharp this lens is. And almost distortion-free (this was taken at 24mm). Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Christina's New Baby - Attn: Bike Pron
I like it. Pretty bike, pretty girl, excellent rendering. What more could one ask for? Paul On Mar 6, 2010, at 7:38 PM, frank theriault wrote: One for the bike crowd. This weekend is Toronto's annual Bike Show. I don't go any more because the cheap bargains are no longer anywhere to be seen. However, one can get some big ticket items at amazing prices if you get there early. My room mate's girlfriend Christina got there early and bought this lovely Cervelo T3: http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2010/03/christinas-new-baby.html Aluminium frame, full Shimano Ultegra gruppo, it's light and beautiful. She was happy to have her new baby's portrait taken before taking it out on its inaugural ride this morning. It's now 7:30 pm and she's still not back. Must be some ride! ;-) Taken with the *istD and Vivitar S1 f3.8 constant aperture 24-48mm. I keep forgetting how lovely and sharp this lens is. And almost distortion-free (this was taken at 24mm). Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Christina's New Baby - Attn: Bike Pron
On Mar 6, 2010, at 4:38 PM, frank theriault wrote: One for the bike crowd. This weekend is Toronto's annual Bike Show. I don't go any more because the cheap bargains are no longer anywhere to be seen. However, one can get some big ticket items at amazing prices if you get there early. My room mate's girlfriend Christina got there early and bought this lovely Cervelo T3: http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2010/03/christinas-new-baby.html Very pretty. So is the bike. The picture's not bad either. Aluminium frame, full Shimano Ultegra gruppo, it's light and beautiful. She spent all that money and they didn't even supply a kickstand? She was happy to have her new baby's portrait taken before taking it out on its inaugural ride this morning. It's now 7:30 pm and she's still not back. Must be some ride! ;-) Taken with the *istD and Vivitar S1 f3.8 constant aperture 24-48mm. I keep forgetting how lovely and sharp this lens is. And almost distortion-free (this was taken at 24mm). Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Christina's New Baby - Attn: Bike Pron
Good rendering, Frank. Looks like a nice bike--I don't know anything about bikes. The lines in the graffiti match the lines in Christina's helmet, which is fun. Very nice picture you've made. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 6:38 PM Subject: PESO - Christina's New Baby - Attn: Bike Pron One for the bike crowd. This weekend is Toronto's annual Bike Show. I don't go any more because the cheap bargains are no longer anywhere to be seen. However, one can get some big ticket items at amazing prices if you get there early. My room mate's girlfriend Christina got there early and bought this lovely Cervelo T3: http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2010/03/christinas-new-baby.html Aluminium frame, full Shimano Ultegra gruppo, it's light and beautiful. She was happy to have her new baby's portrait taken before taking it out on its inaugural ride this morning. It's now 7:30 pm and she's still not back. Must be some ride! ;-) Taken with the *istD and Vivitar S1 f3.8 constant aperture 24-48mm. I keep forgetting how lovely and sharp this lens is. And almost distortion-free (this was taken at 24mm). Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Christina's New Baby - Attn: Bike Pron
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:38 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: One for the bike crowd. This weekend is Toronto's annual Bike Show. I don't go any more because the cheap bargains are no longer anywhere to be seen. However, one can get some big ticket items at amazing prices if you get there early. My room mate's girlfriend Christina got there early and bought this lovely Cervelo T3: http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2010/03/christinas-new-baby.html Aluminium frame, full Shimano Ultegra gruppo, it's light and beautiful. She was happy to have her new baby's portrait taken before taking it out on its inaugural ride this morning. It's now 7:30 pm and she's still not back. Must be some ride! ;-) Taken with the *istD and Vivitar S1 f3.8 constant aperture 24-48mm. I keep forgetting how lovely and sharp this lens is. And almost distortion-free (this was taken at 24mm). Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank Nice shot, cute girl, nice bike even if I am somewhat biased against Aluminum. Just ordered a new bike myself. Duke's was nice enough to call up Kona and check if they had any leftover 2009 Honky Tonk's in my size as I don't like the 2010 versions (A nice steel road bike should not have cheapo brifters, Dura-Ace DT shifters are the better choice). Got lucky and they did, so I plunked down my cash and I should have my new bike next weekend. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bike and girl compliment each other nicely. I like it. --Sasha On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:38 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: One for the bike crowd. This weekend is Toronto's annual Bike Show. I don't go any more because the cheap bargains are no longer anywhere to be seen. However, one can get some big ticket items at amazing prices if you get there early. My room mate's girlfriend Christina got there early and bought this lovely Cervelo T3: http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2010/03/christinas-new-baby.html Aluminium frame, full Shimano Ultegra gruppo, it's light and beautiful. She was happy to have her new baby's portrait taken before taking it out on its inaugural ride this morning. It's now 7:30 pm and she's still not back. Must be some ride! ;-) Taken with the *istD and Vivitar S1 f3.8 constant aperture 24-48mm. I keep forgetting how lovely and sharp this lens is. And almost distortion-free (this was taken at 24mm). Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank Nice shot, cute girl, nice bike even if I am somewhat biased against Aluminum. Just ordered a new bike myself. Duke's was nice enough to call up Kona and check if they had any leftover 2009 Honky Tonk's in my size as I don't like the 2010 versions (A nice steel road bike should not have cheapo brifters, Dura-Ace DT shifters are the better choice). Got lucky and they did, so I plunked down my cash and I should have my new bike next weekend. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:38 PM, frank theriault wrote: http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2010/03/christinas-new-baby.html Lovely. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:38 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: snip My room mate's girlfriend Christina got there early and bought this lovely Cervelo T3: http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2010/03/christinas-new-baby.html snip Correction: The bike is a Cervelo S1. The fork is model T3. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Nice shot, cute girl, nice bike even if I am somewhat biased against Aluminum. There are some very nice alumimium bikes out there. It's not as sexy as carbon fibre, not as familiar as steel, but for the price, aluminium is a nice combination of stiffness and lightness. Aluminium has a bad reputation for harshness, but (like anything else), if designed properly, aluminium frames can work very well. That's not to say that it's superior to steel or carbon; it's all what the designer/framebuilder does with it, isn't it? I love my aluminium Fondriest trackbike! Just ordered a new bike myself. Duke's was nice enough to call up Kona and check if they had any leftover 2009 Honky Tonk's in my size as I don't like the 2010 versions (A nice steel road bike should not have cheapo brifters, Dura-Ace DT shifters are the better choice). Got lucky and they did, so I plunked down my cash and I should have my new bike next weekend. Kona make some very nice bikes and Dura Ace is pretty damned nice stuff. Congrats on your new bike; the weather's looking pretty good for some good riding! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What do you guys think about recumbents? I love mine: bacchetta giro --Sasha On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:44 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Nice shot, cute girl, nice bike even if I am somewhat biased against Aluminum. There are some very nice alumimium bikes out there. It's not as sexy as carbon fibre, not as familiar as steel, but for the price, aluminium is a nice combination of stiffness and lightness. Aluminium has a bad reputation for harshness, but (like anything else), if designed properly, aluminium frames can work very well. That's not to say that it's superior to steel or carbon; it's all what the designer/framebuilder does with it, isn't it? I love my aluminium Fondriest trackbike! Just ordered a new bike myself. Duke's was nice enough to call up Kona and check if they had any leftover 2009 Honky Tonk's in my size as I don't like the 2010 versions (A nice steel road bike should not have cheapo brifters, Dura-Ace DT shifters are the better choice). Got lucky and they did, so I plunked down my cash and I should have my new bike next weekend. Kona make some very nice bikes and Dura Ace is pretty damned nice stuff. Congrats on your new bike; the weather's looking pretty good for some good riding! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.